I was in a top reputable guild for some time now and I was just booted the other day while I was inactive due to recovering from surgery.
Anyway, when I came back I asked why I was booted and they said that they had decided that they were going to go to a strictly rank 6 or 7+ guild. Okay, I guess I can understand that, I am only rank 3.
Why am I only rank 3? Do I suck? I of course do not think so. I am one of guild wars' thousands of casual players. I did not have neither 1/4th of the amount of time played or deaths accrued as the amount of my fellow guild members, so how can I be expected to be the same rank as them?
What upsets me the most about all this is the fact that I thought we were all close in the guild. I did not know any of them in RL, but met in them all in game. But as we did tombs and gvg battles and such we became rather close in terms of internet gamers. We knew eachother and we all knew what the others were about.
Then I got booted.
So, my question why is it so important that every guild member be a certain rank? An obvious answer (some may argue) that the amount of ones rank shows the amount of there pvp knowledge.
cough IWAY BS cough
Others might say that they need the room in guild for more members - okay I can understand this one; however, my guild only had like 15 active members.
I am just curious if other people have experienced situations similar to this one? This event has really left a bad taste in my mouth towards guild wars and my previous guild. I am kind of upset towards guild wars since the only thing left for people to do in game for most people is fame farm - which I believe is partially a reason that this happened with my guild. The other obvious reason I am upset is because of the actions of my former guild.
And for those of you that want to flame, I could move on and find a new guild, you're right! It is just that I was happy with the old guild - it was not a pug guild - no immature players - everyone playing basically with the same mindset. It is kinda like I had the experience of being in an almost flawless guild and I am not sure if I want anything else.
I am thinking about hanging up my hammer now til chap 2 comes out.
Anyway, anyone else have any comments on the rank rave?
Shmash
The rank rave, whats the big deal?
Shmash Witdaclub
twicky_kid
i know how you feel. i've done gvg the entire time and never played tombs much. i have over 275K faction but only 1 rank. luckly i found a rank 6+ guild and they allowed me in after playing with me a few times.
rank is a vicious cycle. to get rank you need a good group (usually determined by rank) and to get a group you need rank.
you can always come to my guild. we are currently gvg alot. first day we gvg we went to rank 750 after 15 wins in a row. its a rank 6+ guild but they care more about if you accually play.
rank is a vicious cycle. to get rank you need a good group (usually determined by rank) and to get a group you need rank.
you can always come to my guild. we are currently gvg alot. first day we gvg we went to rank 750 after 15 wins in a row. its a rank 6+ guild but they care more about if you accually play.
Shimus DarkRaven
It's a bunch of bologna, the "Rank Rave" IMHO, yes, rank does show you know a bit about PVP but some rank 0's I've met can easily outdo these rank 8-12's.
Also, I think one of the reasons they did that to you was they were believing the "myth".
The "Myth": If everyone is rank something+ the guild will do better overall in GVG, PVP and suddenly rise to the top of the guild ladder.
The "Reality": Some guilds I played in tombs and GVG easily can out-do some rank 200+ guilds, being rank 5k-below.
In my opinion, it's all bologna.
But don't hang up the hammer, find something else to do, even if you maxed levels, gotten all you think you need...seeing as they kicked you, find a new guild? Mine is always open to everyone, though I'd like to get to know you better, first. But we're a family oriented guild, friendly people, not hellbent on getting rank+
Let me know.
--The Shim
Also, I think one of the reasons they did that to you was they were believing the "myth".
The "Myth": If everyone is rank something+ the guild will do better overall in GVG, PVP and suddenly rise to the top of the guild ladder.
The "Reality": Some guilds I played in tombs and GVG easily can out-do some rank 200+ guilds, being rank 5k-below.
In my opinion, it's all bologna.
But don't hang up the hammer, find something else to do, even if you maxed levels, gotten all you think you need...seeing as they kicked you, find a new guild? Mine is always open to everyone, though I'd like to get to know you better, first. But we're a family oriented guild, friendly people, not hellbent on getting rank+
Let me know.
--The Shim
Greygon
I think that it sucks the way you were treated by your guild. In my guild if someone is not active for a while and they tell us before hand it is no big deal. If you desire to be in a high level PvP guild though I guess you have to take the good with the bad.
I personally would not blame Guild Wars. There is always lots of stuff to do besides farm fame. Just because you have beaten the game doesn't mean the game is over. Uncover the map! Explore! Farm for Greens! Farm for Golds! Start a new guild and help your guildies get to the level you are!
If you decide to hang it up for a while I wouldn't blame you, but don't forget that there are LOTS of things to do in GW besides the missions and PvP.
I personally would not blame Guild Wars. There is always lots of stuff to do besides farm fame. Just because you have beaten the game doesn't mean the game is over. Uncover the map! Explore! Farm for Greens! Farm for Golds! Start a new guild and help your guildies get to the level you are!
If you decide to hang it up for a while I wouldn't blame you, but don't forget that there are LOTS of things to do in GW besides the missions and PvP.
EagleEye33
yea it sad with the whole rank thing and what ita ctually means. with the builds we have now and fame farming rank is nearly ruined, if not already. I say just forget about it and do this. Find a new guild meet up with them (old guild) and get revenge, show them that your rank may be a lil lower but still good. They obviously thought u werent THAT good enough for them so, own them and say wheres the rank?
WetWookie
Ha. I have a funny story along these lines.
I'm a casual player too. I go to the tombs only occasionally but I'm smart and know what i'm doing. Yesterday I show up at tombs with my necro and get invited to a party that is trying to run a build around two necros casting soul barbs on separate targets and two teams of mesmers each casting hexes and shatter delusions on those targets. Another necro gets invited and he starts going on and on asking "is this a r3+ group". It wasn't so nobody answered him but he just went on and on. Eventually the leader starts explaining the build and it was apparent the other necro did not understand. He asked if it was alright if I would do the calling and i had to explain again that we are each going after different targets. We almost left with him not having soul barbs on his bar. We asked him again if he understood what he was supposed to do and he replies "cast soul barbs and then start casting orders". This guy who was all concerned that we should be r3+ didn't even know what the skills he uses do. The skills he obviously uses everyday in an IWAY group. We dropped him from the party in favor of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich with more brains.
I'm a casual player too. I go to the tombs only occasionally but I'm smart and know what i'm doing. Yesterday I show up at tombs with my necro and get invited to a party that is trying to run a build around two necros casting soul barbs on separate targets and two teams of mesmers each casting hexes and shatter delusions on those targets. Another necro gets invited and he starts going on and on asking "is this a r3+ group". It wasn't so nobody answered him but he just went on and on. Eventually the leader starts explaining the build and it was apparent the other necro did not understand. He asked if it was alright if I would do the calling and i had to explain again that we are each going after different targets. We almost left with him not having soul barbs on his bar. We asked him again if he understood what he was supposed to do and he replies "cast soul barbs and then start casting orders". This guy who was all concerned that we should be r3+ didn't even know what the skills he uses do. The skills he obviously uses everyday in an IWAY group. We dropped him from the party in favor of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich with more brains.
ShotGunBunny
IMO the fame and rank system is just as bad as the WoW honor system except with less rewards, go figure.
crimsonfilms
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They want people devoted to serious PvP, you just don't the time. Not a big deal find another guild.
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You can't have your cake and eat it too!.
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So yes you are correct about Rank does not matter *as much* in GvG because the experience is quite different (but not absolute).
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Rank is no different from other criteria people impose to be efficient - be it level 20, Teamspeak, Superior runes, the right build, etc.
Rank, in my opion, is not flawed for the most part. Most of its shortcomings are people themselves applying it the wrong way or people wanting the benefit of it without actually trying to earn it.
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fiery
people with rank 3 not always good players. should say enough. fame farmers, who become rank 3..right after leave the group and start spamming rank +3 IWAY...rushing in unorganized..and thus a crappy PUG is born.
burai
IMHO it's elitism - and there's rather a lot of it in this game - at it's worst.
Shmash Witdaclub
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Just because you have beaten the game doesn't mean the game is over. Uncover the map! Explore! Farm for Greens! Farm for Golds!
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The thing that I loved about guild wars was the pvp aspect of it, but that, as my original intent in this thread, is now tainted due to the what i am calling "rank rave" of so many people.
I appreciate all of your comments, please keep them coming.
Shmash
Josh
Ditto, in my opinion, I play every type of character, specializing in Elementalists, as it as my first character with all Spells unlocked, and enjoy it the most, I have many Elementalist builds, and I'm effective with it too, however I'm only R1, and people think I'm shit because of it...So at the moment, I'm Guildless. ;\
Shmash Witdaclub
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That is really your problem and not theirs- same as you have no obligation to keep a level 12 for Thunderhead mission.
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If rank does not matter to you then you can easily find non top guilds out there that will want your services. You can't complain about rank and have a desire to be a "top guild" right?
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Rank, in my opion, is not flawed for the most part. Most of its shortcomings are people themselves applying it the wrong way or people wanting the benefit of it without actually trying to earn it.
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Shmash
ps- did not intend to turn it into an IWAY thing either, it is just that I like to be original and I will not conform to playing in one of those groups just to fame farm so i can be "elite" once again - since according to todays standards I no longer am.
Epinephrine
Rank is garbage.
So is faction.
Anyone can farm faction easily, it takes no effort, you only have to play one build to be able to do it. True skill is developed by playing a variety of roles, being able to determine how a build fits in and when to use what, and of course through in game experience in PvP, developing situational awareness and so on. Faction, rank, experience, time played, some of these may have a correlation with skill, but none are measures of it. I'm not a bad player, and I am Rank 1. Why? I hate tombs. I really would rather play basically any other type of PvP. What about faction as a measure? Well, it is so easy to go 10 straight in CA with a monk that you can farm faction for unlocks playing only one build, and only ever learning how disorganised CA combats play. Experience? Don't make me laugh - playing a solo 55 monk for endless runs does not make one a good player.
The fact is that good players can be identified by their knowledge of the game and by their play, and that's it.
So is faction.
Anyone can farm faction easily, it takes no effort, you only have to play one build to be able to do it. True skill is developed by playing a variety of roles, being able to determine how a build fits in and when to use what, and of course through in game experience in PvP, developing situational awareness and so on. Faction, rank, experience, time played, some of these may have a correlation with skill, but none are measures of it. I'm not a bad player, and I am Rank 1. Why? I hate tombs. I really would rather play basically any other type of PvP. What about faction as a measure? Well, it is so easy to go 10 straight in CA with a monk that you can farm faction for unlocks playing only one build, and only ever learning how disorganised CA combats play. Experience? Don't make me laugh - playing a solo 55 monk for endless runs does not make one a good player.
The fact is that good players can be identified by their knowledge of the game and by their play, and that's it.
Deadlyjunk
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IMHO it's elitism - and there's rather a lot of it in this game - at it's worst.
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fallot
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Ha. I have a funny story along these lines.
I'm a casual player too. I go to the tombs only occasionally but I'm smart and know what i'm doing. Yesterday I show up at tombs with my necro and get invited to a party that is trying to run a build around two necros casting soul barbs on separate targets and two teams of mesmers each casting hexes and shatter delusions on those targets. Another necro gets invited and he starts going on and on asking "is this a r3+ group". It wasn't so nobody answered him but he just went on and on. Eventually the leader starts explaining the build and it was apparent the other necro did not understand. He asked if it was alright if I would do the calling and i had to explain again that we are each going after different targets. We almost left with him not having soul barbs on his bar. We asked him again if he understood what he was supposed to do and he replies "cast soul barbs and then start casting orders". This guy who was all concerned that we should be r3+ didn't even know what the skills he uses do. The skills he obviously uses everyday in an IWAY group. We dropped him from the party in favor of a peanut butter and jelly sandwich with more brains. |
mamluk
I think its sad to hear of guilds that think they are good looking for specific ranks as an admission of requirement. What's even funnier is that best guilds arent like that, guilds like iQ for instance.
The skill and challenge is in GvG for which fame means nothing. If you guys really want to find top skilled guilds, look for the ones at the top of the GvG ladder, not the ones with the most rank 9+ tombs RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs.
The skill and challenge is in GvG for which fame means nothing. If you guys really want to find top skilled guilds, look for the ones at the top of the GvG ladder, not the ones with the most rank 9+ tombs RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs.
Navaros
The simple reality is that most players who are not rank 6 do indeed suck.
Hence it is only logical to presume that someone who is not rank 6 or more is likely to suck.
Yes, there are rank 6 players who suck. But that's besides the point. The likelihood of a rank 6 or higher player sucking is far less than that of a rank 3 player sucking.
Therefore it is perfectly logical to not want anything less than rank 6.
Hence it is only logical to presume that someone who is not rank 6 or more is likely to suck.
Yes, there are rank 6 players who suck. But that's besides the point. The likelihood of a rank 6 or higher player sucking is far less than that of a rank 3 player sucking.
Therefore it is perfectly logical to not want anything less than rank 6.
Shmash Witdaclub
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The simple reality is that most players who are not rank 6 do indeed suck.
Hence it is only logical to presume that someone who is not rank 6 or more is likely to suck. Yes, there are rank 6 players who suck. But that's besides the point. The likelihood of a rank 6 or higher player sucking is far less than that of a rank 3 player sucking. Therefore it is perfectly logical to not want anything less than rank 6. |
Yes, I do agree with you that a rank 6 player is less likely to be noobish than a rank 1,2,3,4,5 person. but not all the time.
Shmash
Epinephrine
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The simple reality is that most players who are not rank 6 do indeed suck.
Hence it is only logical to presume that someone who is not rank 6 or more is likely to suck. Yes, there are rank 6 players who suck. But that's besides the point. The likelihood of a rank 6 or higher player sucking is far less than that of a rank 3 player sucking. Therefore it is perfectly logical to not want anything less than rank 6. |
For example, if 75% of rank 6+ folk suck, and 77% of rank 3+ folk suck, and 79% of rank 1+ folk suck, that's not a huge difference. I mean, really, you aren't exactly making a huge difference nomatter what, you're just prolonging your recruiting to have a modestly better chance of getting a non-sucky player.
Taken to another level, lets say that huge differences in skill exist. Say 90% of rank 0+ players suck, 70% of rank 3+ players suck and a mere 40% of rank 6+ players suck. Then lets say that by spending a mere 20 seconds asking a few simple questions you can with 95% accuracy determine whether a person sucks or not. Applying this to the various groups you end up with a very good chance of building a good group out of low rank players, given a lot of time weeding out the sucky players time questioning them. You end up with a good group of high rank players if you can find them, but instead of spending time interviewing them you end up spending time spamming "looking for rank6+players" for 40 minutes. You could go the middle route, and accept a wider variety of players, and spend a mid-range amount of time sorting, and a mid range amount of time spamming for rank 3+ players. All three groups will probably be similar, since you have bothered to select your players. Will the rank 6 team be better? Maybe. Then again, what do I know, I'm rank 1 and I've only been to HoH twice, both times in teams with a mix of high rank and low rank players, with a solid build and folks that understood what the goal was.
Navaros
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so then, back to my main topic, what about the people that you have played with, for quite some time, and are less than rank 6 but do not suck? is it ok to boot them just for not having the time to be uber ranked? You said MOST players, not all players lower than rank 6, so therefore you believe that rank does not necessarily identify skill.
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For example, if 75% of rank 6+ folk suck, and 77% of rank 3+ folk suck, and 79% of rank 1+ folk suck...
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To the OP: While I can understand your old guild's logic and desire to succeed (though like many I think rank is a poor indicator of skill), I find their treatment of you indefensible. If what you say is what happened (we've only heard one side of the story), then they were callous, selfish and simply rude. You're better off without them - find another guild that wants YOU and not your rank, and you'll be far happier.
Red Locust
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So, my question why is it so important that every guild member be a certain rank?
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The only time I'd even consider rank is when looking for random pickups to fill out a tombs group. To kick existing members out of a guild because of their insufficient rank is complete stupidity. You're better off without them, mate.
mamluk
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The simple reality is that most players who are not rank 6 do indeed suck.
Hence it is only logical to presume that someone who is not rank 6 or more is likely to suck. Yes, there are rank 6 players who suck. But that's besides the point. The likelihood of a rank 6 or higher player sucking is far less than that of a rank 3 player sucking. Therefore it is perfectly logical to not want anything less than rank 6. |
The simple reality is that most players who are not rank 12 suck.
Hence it is only logical to assume that rank 12 players dont suck. (man your logic is atrocious here)
The likelihood of a rank 12 or higher player sucking is far less than that of a rank 9 player sucking.
Therefore it is perfectly logical to not want anything to do with less than rank 12 players.
Thus, I refuse to talk to any of you plebian scum who are not rank 12.
Navaros, the lack of logic in the above argument is really not bad. For instance, if people below a certain threshold mostly suck, then its not neccessarily true that those above it don't. E.g. Adults below 4 feet are short. Therefore those above 4 feet are tall. See my point?
And I would put the disclaimer that any attribution of skill is based on tombs not gvg or arena, etc.
I certainly believe that tomb's knowledge of the types of maps (e.g. relic runs) is useful when running a serious tomb group, but I believe that most people suck period regardless of rank. Basically, if a group is auditioning people based on rank, then I wouldn't waste my time.
Hells Vengeance
I hardly ever tomb, because I know if I go PUG I will never win. Guild shouln't be mostly just focused on ToPK. Guilds are for getting to know one another better and to have fun.
Tactical-Dillusions
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I am thinking about hanging up my hammer now til chap 2 comes out.
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Guilds are for getting to know one another better and to have fun.
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Arturo02
How important can rank be as a determining factor in a person's ability in pvp when it is so easily farmed?
Lampshade
I barley Tomb, I'm only rank2.
However, I have done a few hundered GvG's. When I do go into Tombs, I know what I'm doing. It sucks your Guild kicked you for Elitism. Fame and Faction doesnt really mean anything anymore, you could IWAY for a week or play a boon prot and you could get "Elite".
However, I have done a few hundered GvG's. When I do go into Tombs, I know what I'm doing. It sucks your Guild kicked you for Elitism. Fame and Faction doesnt really mean anything anymore, you could IWAY for a week or play a boon prot and you could get "Elite".
Divine Elemental
It's like
Higher Rank - Longer , WIder Experience in Tombs while other people are in high guilds
such as the old school ones sB / MS / etc cause they are pro GvG
they have Strategical and are good tactics i quite know a few who are rank 1 - 5 who are in the top 10 guilds
Higher Rank - Longer , WIder Experience in Tombs while other people are in high guilds
such as the old school ones sB / MS / etc cause they are pro GvG
they have Strategical and are good tactics i quite know a few who are rank 1 - 5 who are in the top 10 guilds
Scrubs Can Die
Rank only means a lot to scrubs with no life and/or connections to good players. Since we have these scrubs with no life and/or connections who think rank is the best determination of skill, you see people with no real experience in ToPK jumping on the rank bandwagon because all they see is "LF r3+ only! no n00bs!". They equate having rank to your player skill and never learn any better.
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and they said that they had decided that they were going to go to a strictly rank 6 or 7+ guild
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many of the top guilds dont even tomb at all, the highest form of competition is in gvg.
1v1v1 gank fest in hoh and capture the flag are not competition, its a joke. Which is exactly why the guildwars world tournament will be held in GvG format (thank god, and hope fully observer mode will be out by then so i can watch it)
Saria Nightblade
I have a lot of different contacts across lots of different guilds. One day I was called in by a friend to monk for a group. We were waiting in the vault before HoH and people were talking about ranks they were about to get, (6+'s) and I whispered him and was like, "heh should I tell them I'm like 30 fame away from rank 3?" My friend was like, "you're rank 3! Wow you're so good I thought you were rank 6 or higher." Then a testament to good players he says, "you could tell them, they'd laugh, but none of them would care. You're keeping them alive."
Makkert
By far the dumbest reason to kick someone out of guild yet. Wow, that is really loud. Agree with Chavez, what kind of 'topguild' kicks players for that?
Clusmas
Rank shows, whether it is farmed or not, your experience in tombs.
It doesn't make you any better or worse, it shows you are familiar with how each of the tombs maps works along with various strategies for each. Even if you IWAY you should watch how your enemies do things and learn from them. Unfortunately most people who do IWAY are stupid and can't pay attention to any thing more than what's on the end of their axe.
So, if you're rank 6 it shows you'd have quite a good understanding of tombs. You could be the best or worse player in the game but you know how tombs works.
Shmash, I think your guild did you a favor. If they're stupid enough to kick a friend then you're probably better off without them. I wish you good luck while searching for a better group of people!
It doesn't make you any better or worse, it shows you are familiar with how each of the tombs maps works along with various strategies for each. Even if you IWAY you should watch how your enemies do things and learn from them. Unfortunately most people who do IWAY are stupid and can't pay attention to any thing more than what's on the end of their axe.
So, if you're rank 6 it shows you'd have quite a good understanding of tombs. You could be the best or worse player in the game but you know how tombs works.
Shmash, I think your guild did you a favor. If they're stupid enough to kick a friend then you're probably better off without them. I wish you good luck while searching for a better group of people!
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Shmash, I think your guild did you a favor. If they're stupid enough to kick a friend then you're probably better off without them.
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Truthfully, what kind of "top" guild kicks someone out for rank? I mean I thought I heard the worst when someone failed to use their res si....nevermind.
Just out of curiosity, what do you consider a top guild, and if you may, what was the guild (or even a rough number)?
Oh yeah. Chavez. I <3 you and all. But EP recently did tombs
. Ok fine...so it was a once in a lifetime thing for them.
burai
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Though I agree wholeheartedly, if in game elitism bothers you, why are you wearing 15K platemail? *avatar*
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No, really it's for my own personal gratification - honest
Gwenhywar
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I was in a top reputable guild for some time now and I was just booted the other day while I was inactive due to recovering from surgery.
Anyway, when I came back I asked why I was booted and they said that they had decided that they were going to go to a strictly rank 6 or 7+ guild. Okay, I guess I can understand that, I am only rank 3. |
I'm guessing since you were away from GW they probably decided you was not active enough (did you tell them why you was away?). Or maybe you were not in fact as good buddies as you thought you were ...
I really don't think your case falls into the general ranting about the (un)importance of rank, you should just talk it out with your old guildies - if you want to get back in. If not, just move on - if you are a good player, there are plenty of decent guilds out there ...
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Rank is garbage.
True skill is developed by playing a variety of roles, being able to determine how a build fits in and when to use what, and of course through in game experience in PvP, developing situational awareness and so on. The fact is that good players can be identified by their knowledge of the game and by their play, and that's it. |
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Rank shows, whether it is farmed or not, your experience in tombs.
It doesn't make you any better or worse, it shows you are familiar with how each of the tombs maps works along with various strategies for each. Even if you IWAY you should watch how your enemies do things and learn from them. Unfortunately most people who do IWAY are stupid and can't pay attention to any thing more than what's on the end of their axe. So, if you're rank 6 it shows you'd have quite a good understanding of tombs. You could be the best or worse player in the game but you know how tombs works. |
From the above quotes I am tempted to make up a following argument:
Epi: Good players can be identified by their knowledge of the game and their play
Clusmas: High ranked players have a good knowledge of tombs maps.
Conclusion: Good tombs players can be identified by their knowledge of tombs and hence high ranked players are good tombs players.
Something seems flawed
- what?As Epi mentioned, the fact that skill develops by playing different roles rather than mind-numbingly doing one role only.
Ok, I admit, that it might be possible develope your situational awareness by farming fame in tombs with just FOTM teams like the previous E/Mo smiters or current Iway. However, the way you're gained your rank (or fame or faction) also affects as to what kind of pvp you are used to. For example, let's assume you're monked (heaven forbid!) your way up to r6. It may require some time to get used to the role of the target caller since both roles require you to focuse your attention quite differently. Not to mention the fact if you're doing tombs only, some of the gvg maps will really be alien ground to you.
Oh and to kick someone out because of rank, most ridiculous.
Emp.
Roza
People who judge other players by rank are either elitist (they feel rank is important because THEY are rank+ something), silly or lazy.
It is easy to determine whether a player is good by another good player. Ask for skill-bar, ask about a skill, ask about something else. The reaction you get will let you determine the level of the player with much greater accuracy than any rank shown. Rank 3+ will only tell you that a player has played tombs frequently for a while (not whether they are any good, they may have IWAY-ed for months or got to rank 3 in one weekend, no way to tell). Rank6+ players will generally be competent as they will most likely have been in good groups fairly often, though they may also be just obsesive PuG or IWAY players with a lot of playing time behind them). And a rank 1 might be just as good as a rank 9.
Nowadays, so many people get to rank 3+ due to the IWAY thing. Imho, if a player got to rank 6 by IWAYing, they are probably less suitable for anything besides IWAY then a rank3+ not having done that (it shows that they are happy playing the same simple tactic over and over, rather than experimenting with the many options in this game, which is generally not a sign of great intelligence).
The importance that rank has in the eyes of many players is probably the the worst thing about tombs and about the game in general. It makes PvP hard to get into for many players. I would guess that for every 1 good rank6+ player, there are 3 potentially equally good players that give tombs a try but get put off by the fact that without rank, they can only find very newbie pugs or IWAY pugs. For these players, the only answer is finding a good guild, patient fame farming (not attractive) or getting lucky and finding a good group and becoming friends with them (which is not likely with most good groups having this l33t rank+6 only attitude).
So, in short: rank+ something requirements are the scourge of pvp.
It is easy to determine whether a player is good by another good player. Ask for skill-bar, ask about a skill, ask about something else. The reaction you get will let you determine the level of the player with much greater accuracy than any rank shown. Rank 3+ will only tell you that a player has played tombs frequently for a while (not whether they are any good, they may have IWAY-ed for months or got to rank 3 in one weekend, no way to tell). Rank6+ players will generally be competent as they will most likely have been in good groups fairly often, though they may also be just obsesive PuG or IWAY players with a lot of playing time behind them). And a rank 1 might be just as good as a rank 9.
Nowadays, so many people get to rank 3+ due to the IWAY thing. Imho, if a player got to rank 6 by IWAYing, they are probably less suitable for anything besides IWAY then a rank3+ not having done that (it shows that they are happy playing the same simple tactic over and over, rather than experimenting with the many options in this game, which is generally not a sign of great intelligence).
The importance that rank has in the eyes of many players is probably the the worst thing about tombs and about the game in general. It makes PvP hard to get into for many players. I would guess that for every 1 good rank6+ player, there are 3 potentially equally good players that give tombs a try but get put off by the fact that without rank, they can only find very newbie pugs or IWAY pugs. For these players, the only answer is finding a good guild, patient fame farming (not attractive) or getting lucky and finding a good group and becoming friends with them (which is not likely with most good groups having this l33t rank+6 only attitude).
So, in short: rank+ something requirements are the scourge of pvp.