The 55 Monk must stop. - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

Lord Iowerth

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Atlanta, GA (#guildwarsguru FTW!)

Biscuit Of Dewm [MEEP]

R/Mo

23 Dec 2005 at 00:26 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

If you are going to charge than do the all mission while they sit back and watch you no more different than Forge run the Warrior doees 100% of the work.I paid a Warrior to do the Elona missions for me and yes this was Thunderhead.This is my 3rd char through this mission.

In this instance, I can see someone charging for their services ... but I can't really see a monk "soloing" thunderhead

The thing that I disagree with (and I think I share the same feelings as some others in this thread) is monks who want to charge to help out a party doing a mission ... IE, the monk is not soloing the mission by himself, but rather playing a monk's role in the party. That arrogance of "you need me" in your party is what gets my blood boiling ... i've had a team of *ALL* ele's do several of the later missions, with *NO* monk at all ... so no, we don't NEED to have someone in a group that thinks they are better or more useful than everyone else because of their class choice ... that is IGNORANCE. Every class plays a useful role, and to assume that because you are a monk that you are somehow more important than the rest of the team makes me want to scream

[/RANT]

Klmpee

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Florida USA :)

[Anti]

W/E

23 Dec 2005 at 00:55 - 42

Quote:

I play primary Monk to serve that role not just to farm yes I want give the 55 a TRY but not for the sole purpose of solo farming.

then what else r u gonna use them for? doing regular missions with 55 health?run people around with 55 health? PvP with 55 health(nvr works)? many monks r not for the sole purpose of farming and others r not for the sole purpose of doing missions but farming.. so what r u saying?? i for one have 2 sets of armor.. one for max health and one for 55... omg im a 55 monk? but omg i havent been in UW for a week now.. hey! i havent even farmed augury in months!... its peoples choice to play the game they want to play it.. sooo yea.. pls dont tell people how they need to do there jobs.. unless they noob wars

~~Klmpee

Goonter

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

23 Dec 2005 at 01:11 - 43

I think of it like this - If 55 monk is ridiculous in PvP it should also be so in PvE.

Farming aside, any time players find a way to solo several high lvl mobs, that area needs to "adjust to the metagame".

Klmpee

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Florida USA :)

[Anti]

W/E

23 Dec 2005 at 01:36 - 44

Quote:

This really is now getting out of hand as it now increasings impossible to find a good Monk in Mission Outpost it is either or they want to charge for their services.

Quote:

Character: MistyMaiden
Guild: GreenGuild
Profession: Mo/W

You need a monk for a mission but you cant find one?? thats sad to hear when it says your in a guild that is gonna help you and im sure they wont charge for services......is anyone else confizzeled to why she/he is complaining about shortage of monks

?
~~Klmpee

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

23 Dec 2005 at 01:38 - 45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

I wasn't aware of this and never was told to post request.I.

you are not a beta tester or you would know that the place to post was on the beta testers forum. (not here or other public site)

also that part about 3 years from a beta tester would have been an actional breech of the non disclosure agreement.

4thVariety

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

European Union

ADL

E/

23 Dec 2005 at 01:47 - 46

What makes you guys think that just because farming gets nerfed people will play their monks they way you want them to.

In any case people farming in large numbers will make things more affordable because of free market rules. after the insanity of the last months arenanet should be happy that stuff gets cheaper again. the only ones I see crying about that are some of the farmes themselves.

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

23 Dec 2005 at 02:15 - 47

Quote:

then what else r u gonna use them for? doing regular missions with 55 health?run people around with 55 health?

No just to try it out.

Quote:

you are not a beta tester or you would know that the place to post was on the beta testers forum.

I was doing the beta test as I bought the preorder and no one from Arenanet contacted me and it was called BWE known as beta weekend events and had UAS as I mostly tested the PvP portion of the game.

Quote:

You need a monk for a mission but you cant find one?? thats sad to hear when it says your in a guild that is gonna help you and im sure they wont charge for services....

My Guild only has 2 active players on it and the rest are never online pretty much dead which is something else on my mind not to think of my Char.s.

This is what really drove me to make post like this.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=97376

Klmpee

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Florida USA :)

[Anti]

W/E

23 Dec 2005 at 02:54 - 48

then leave that guild and find a new one.. problems solved their.. o and thats his choice to make it farming purposes only.. i havent even finish the game on my monk and i have over 150hrs.. im at abdomins mouth or whatever its called.. does that mean im not living up to my roll as a monk and doing every mission to play my "roll" in the game ?

Theos

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

River Dancing

Eternal Treachery [TimE]

Me/E

23 Dec 2005 at 03:31 - 49

Yet another discussion about this... did we really need it? The same will happen as always; Exploito monks will defend their gold mine, charging monks will say its a hastle to watch red go up then down, others will shout and flame for no reason, etc... I could say SS was a bad skill and invoke the same reaction, people just want to defend their gold mines and golden pick axes, no matter how conditionally crappy they may be

.

Right now UW can be soloed everywhich way and with pretty much every class, why? Poor design on one part, greed on the other. Prot Spirit makes most of everything work and the other solo builds are either extremly slow, or require good coordination. Anet could simply add Shadow Strike to destroy 55 monks... seeing as how the second damage is unprotectable. Then again you get Spellbreaker... hum... damn they should just take out the aatxe and replace them with Djinn. I want to see anyone farm UW then... lol.

geminisaga

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/N

23 Dec 2005 at 03:38 - 50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

Hi. I am posting this here for all of the board users to see not just in the Monk Strategy Forum.It has become more evident that the 55 monk is being over used just for farming purposes or those using for that purpose.This really is now getting out of hand as it now increasings impossible to find a good Monk in Mission Outpost it is either or they want to charge for their services.The sole reason is so they can make back the gold they spent putting this build together as I see many post on other GW boards that I am on as other class of char. keep asking about well it is about time it stops.I play primary Monk to serve that role not just to farm yes I want give the 55 a TRY but not for the sole purpose of solo farming.

Arenanet Designed the Monk class like all others to serve as a support role in the game not just to use it to solo farm.The skills the Monk uses are as balanced in every aspect of the game PvE and PvP wise as to the purpose of the Monk.That is right the Monk real jop is to keep those healed or protected in PvP as well as PvE but not for farming.There are other build you can use for solo faming but it always come down to the 55 Monk.Those that use this build for just farming will never now how to play Monk and for you Monk players out there.It is becoming harder to find a Monk like I said in mission outposts.When I have played in missions we had to use henchie Monks or have 1 Monk and use Necromancer as a battery.That is what will happpen if the trend continues that groups will ask for 1 Monk plus a battery Necromancer as they can keep teams Alive so think about especially you Monk players.

There is only 3 chapters slated for GW and after that the games sole purpose is to be PvP only game as to everyone has everything unlocked.That Ladies and Gentleman is what the game is about.As a person who plays primary Monk healer or Protector stop making this build for just farming it is getting out of hand.Arenanet won't nerf the build but they can nerf the spots where you can farm as the UW has already seen it it is no different than Runners the Warrior was never intended on being a runner.I wouldn't be posting this here if it wasn't becoming a serious problem in game as I am still playing through the missions and I am a beta tester.

noobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbs

art_

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

23 Dec 2005 at 04:26 - 51

it would be a bit random for them to nerf so long after its started...

I don't really see the need. All classes can farm, it just so happens monks can farm the best.

heist23

Journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2005

R/Mo

23 Dec 2005 at 05:03 - 52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

Hi. I am posting this here for all of the board users to see not just in the Monk Strategy Forum.It has become more evident that the 55 monk is being over used just for farming purposes or those using for that purpose.This really is now getting out of hand as it now increasings impossible to find a good Monk in Mission Outpost it is either or they want to charge for their services.The sole reason is so they can make back the gold they spent putting this build together as I see many post on other GW boards that I am on as other class of char. keep asking about well it is about time it stops.I play primary Monk to serve that role not just to farm yes I want give the 55 a TRY but not for the sole purpose of solo farming.

ummm....as far as i know, a 55 monk isn't meant to heal. it's meant to tank and kill enemies without outside help.

at which i arrive at my point: why would a 55 monk want to charge players for healing if they can't heal in the first place? i know they bring along Healing Breeze, but what difference will that make? looking at it, not much.

i'm curious though; what use is a 55 monk if not for farming or tanking?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

Arenanet Designed the Monk class like all others to serve as a support role in the game not just to use it to solo farm.The skills the Monk uses are as balanced in every aspect of the game PvE and PvP wise as to the purpose of the Monk.That is right the Monk real jop is to keep those healed or protected in PvP as well as PvE but not for farming.There are other build you can use for solo faming but it always come down to the 55 Monk.Those that use this build for just farming will never now how to play Monk and for you Monk players out there.It is becoming harder to find a Monk like I said in mission outposts.When I have played in missions we had to use henchie Monks or have 1 Monk and use Necromancer as a battery.That is what will happpen if the trend continues that groups will ask for 1 Monk plus a battery Necromancer as they can keep teams Alive so think about especially you Monk players.

if ANet designed monks to heal and protect, why is the Smiting Prayers line existant? ANet also designed this game to be open-minded, to let players play as they want. if someone wants to play monk yet deal damage, they can do that. by no means are they the best at dealing damage, but they can still do it if they want.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

There is only 3 chapters slated for GW and after that the games sole purpose is to be PvP only game as to everyone has everything unlocked.That Ladies and Gentleman is what the game is about.As a person who plays primary Monk healer or Protector stop making this build for just farming it is getting out of hand.Arenanet won't nerf the build but they can nerf the spots where you can farm as the UW has already seen it it is no different than Runners the Warrior was never intended on being a runner.I wouldn't be posting this here if it wasn't becoming a serious problem in game as I am still playing through the missions and I am a beta tester.

3 chapters.....sources, please?

while 55 monks are abundant, they are not a serious problem in the game. actually, that's a subjective opinion. if you've had a hard time finding monks to help you out, there's Mhenlo and Lina to help you out.

trust me, you're not a minority. there are plenty of monks that are out there to heal and protect, not just farm the living crap out of Griffons and such. no amount of ranting will get people to change their ways, either. at the endgame, most people look towards gold and items to amuse them. heck, i'm one of them. either way, i've never played a 55 monk.

Lets Get to Healing

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

You want see?

True Gods of War [True]

Mo/W

23 Dec 2005 at 05:06 - 53

The only reason they charge is to gain money for a mission they havent already done. I have a 55hp monk and yes i do farm with it BUT i have an extra set of armor to help with missions. All 55 monks have to be level 20 so . . they had to have done missions. This post just sounds like an excuse so 55 monks should get banned. Post one about IWAY. They are really annoying in Tombs.

Rico Carridan

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Eternal Comrades

E/Mo

23 Dec 2005 at 08:23 - 54

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuietWanderer

I charge all the time for Thunderhead. In fact, everytime you see a monk charging there, think of me because I started it. The fact is, it can be a service and like all services, you have the option to say "no". You have no problem paying for a droks run, but you have a problem paying a monk that has done the mission 200 times. It's your loss not mine, I'll still get paid and you'll be without an experienced monk. Yet again, quit whining about what other players do.

There is absolutely no similarity between running and what you're doing. When you run somewhere, there is no active involvement from the people who are paying you; in your case, you can't do the mission alone, you're relying on the group to pull you through, yet you feel that you can charge them. If you can solo Thunderhead as a monk, I'll pay you; if I'm trying to get through at level 10, I'll pay the group. If I'm level 20, you don't get a dime from me. You're an equal member of the team, and will be treated as such.

And as for experienced monks, well, there's only 3 monks who I've ever had good experiences with in Thunderhead. Alesia, Lina, and me.

I will remember your name though. Then if I ever see you looking for a group, I'll make sure you pay for my ranger's interrupting service.

Rico

Maiyn

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Canada

I Excentrix I [PuNK]

23 Dec 2005 at 09:37 - 55

Sorry but this is going to be a major flame, and it's not your fault. I'm not angry at you personally, but I really just disagree.

I farm with a 55 NECRO, and I've farmed with a 55 or 105 monk, even tried out a 105 ele. Please don't give me that crap about farmers. We've been nerfed enough, and as soon as everyone realizes that any class can farm maybe we'll have an end to this stupid "nerf everything" nonsense.

Since the beginning of this game, there has been a lack of monks. If anything the fact that you can farm should improve that. ALWAYS been a lack of monks, this is NOTHING new.

Kabale

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

UK

Portrayors of Valour [pV]

23 Dec 2005 at 10:37 - 56

As has been stated before, monks go to Tombs because it's much more fun to keep people alive that actually know what they're doing. PvE is full of bad players that don't have a clue, and frankly it gets really fricking annoying to clean up their mistakes time and time again.
In PvP you get recognition for being good at what you do. PvE holds no such rewards...OK you might get the occasional 'wow youre a good monk' but 90% of the time people will be complaining.
So ya, it was fun in the beginning, but it totally sucked past beating the game once. Soloing is tremendously fun, but it's not the only reason why there's no monks in PvE. As has also been stated, everyone wants to kill stuff.
Oh and another thing, how many happy smiters do you see as part of a group? NONE. They all get bitched at because they're not healing/protecting. So where do all the people go that want to try out the smiting line? SOLO. Prejudice against monks FTL.

One last request, close this thread.

kvndoom

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Communistwealth of Virginia

Uninstalled

W/Mo

23 Dec 2005 at 12:29 - 57

I keep 2 armor sets on my monk, one for 55Hp, one for 521HP. Since I farm with her mostly out of Dunes, I get blind mission invites quite often. Every once in a while I accept, switch to full heal mode, and go along. Dunes is by far the easiest desert mission, but you wouldn't think so from the PUG's I get in. It reminds me why people hate to play healer. You can take 5 henchmen and beat that mission hands down by doing nothing but call targets, but 5 real people, 5 human minds, can't converge to overcome the game's pathetic AI.

I built my monk as a healer, then bought runes and made her a farming tool. So I'm capable of both, and will use her for either as I see fit. Interestingly enough, I actually still prefer to farm with my warrior. Having to remember to cast Protective Spirit all the time gets old for me.

I don't know how long the OP has been playing, but there has always been a shortage of healers, even before the 55HP monk build came to light. It's a thankless job, and a lot of people don't want to play it. Every class in GW is versatile, hence the attribute system. Mesmers can shutdown or interrupt, Elementalists can scatter enemies or tank (tongue-in-cheek), Necros can build minion armies or support with healing and energy regen, and so forth. But 99.9% of the time, when a PUG wants a Monk, they want a healer. Period. Protector? No. Smiter? No. Heal, mend, de-hex, and rez. Period. Soloing for some is the only way to play their character the way they want to play their character. Do a little damage, or all the damage. Take on the high-level enemies and win. Everyone should be able to play the game the way they want to play, so long as it doesn't infringe upon anyone else. When you start seeing as many "GLF Smiter" and "GLF Protector" as "GLF Healer", you won't find a shortage of Monks in this game anymore. Until then, please understand the nature of the problem before suggesting a solution.

unienaule

I dunt even get "Retired"

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

23 Dec 2005 at 12:49 - 58

More flames = ban. You were both usernoted.

pipes

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Dec 2005

Knights of Ruination

E/Mo

23 Dec 2005 at 12:58 - 59

Personally I have never experienced a problem with monks charging for services. I'snt this part of your standard guild services? Join a guild. Our monks are always more than happy to oblige a fellow guildmember. As for the 55 build, I have an ele/monk and I have a 55 build. It isn't so great that it needs to be removed or nerfed any more (trust me). Having to constantly watch out for creatures that use "Shatter Enhancements" etc. kinda makes it very dangerous.

wilebill

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mt Vernon, Ohio

Band of the Hawk

W/Mo

23 Dec 2005 at 13:24 - 60

This reminds me of the guy a couple months ago who tried to start a crusade against gnomes among the alliance on a WOW server. Gnomes are of course part of the alliance. Everyone thought it was funny, Don Quixote tilting at the windmill, but eventually the guy who was carrying on went too far and got his account cancelled ... monks are nothing like gnomes, of course ...

SpiritOfGrandeur

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2005

23 Dec 2005 at 13:43 - 61

Quote:

Originally Posted by Samueldg

wanna know the no#1 reason there are "less heal monks"

YOU!

guys with your additude make monking suck... constantly crying ( dude YOU DIDNT BRING BREEZE!!! WTF OVER!!! WAAAWAAA)

I dont play this game for other people.. isnt that obvious?

when I monk for a pug I take a blend of heals ( four usually) some condition and hex removal= cure it instead of heal over it, a SMITE!!!! (usuallysym of wrath becuase someone always aoes and sends everything at me.. sym makes it run away) and rebirth..

I solo because I can play the game and avoid the ten yearolds..

Any monk that brings Breeze is just wasting their energy

aron searle

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

23 Dec 2005 at 13:56 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpiritOfGrandeur

Any monk that brings Breeze is just wasting their energy

not always

(but lets not turn this into a breeze ftw/ftl debate

lets just say that sometimes it has its uses)

toric brightblade

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Searching for EU farm guild

A/

23 Dec 2005 at 14:09 - 63

no way

the 55hp solo monk is just an average build. there are better builds then it. if you really dont like the solo monk, then just ignore it. if you think that the monk's sole purpose is to heal people and nothing esle, then go to hell. we have lives, and if we think soloing is fun, and payed for the runes and armor, then thats good for us, but you dont need to go complaining about it. besides, the solo monk is mainly for more experienced players. not only for the skill required to use it alone in the underworld, but to start one, you need the gold for the runes and armor, so i say qut your whining and just leave the solo monks the hell alone.
thanks

scars of insanity

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Katy Texas

Soldiers of Heaven [soh]

23 Dec 2005 at 16:24 - 64

Heres a little example of why you never see monks. One day a long time ago i was doing the Thirsty River mission. I was playing a Mo/R. I decided to smite/prot because i though Scourge Healing would really help vs that last monk boss. First time i say "Smite/Prot Monk LFG Mission and Bonus" I get at least 10 responses saying exactly this "If you switch to healing well bring you" or "How many healing spells do you have?" or "Why the hell did you choose smite thats not what a monks for" Lmao i gathered up henchies and beat the mission right there.

Ristaron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

Canada, eh?

Legion Of Valhalla

E/

23 Dec 2005 at 18:22 - 65

Age:

You have said multiple times that you want to try out the build. You have stated that you want to make money off it to buy 15k armour.
Now why, oh why are you snapping and crying at all the current 55 farmers?

I'll tell you why: you're just like them. You're whining because you can't join them because the prices of runes are too high (you've also said this is a reason for your anger). You want to get 'uber rich' and buy the most expensive stuff and laugh at all the people who can't afford the price of runes which you have aided in driving up after you have made your build. Even though you were once like them.
You want to be in that growing circle of 'rich people', but the only way you can do that is whining at Anet to get rid of the ones currently holding the places above you.

You, and all other filthy hypocrites, disgust me.

On the reason why there are so few monks around:
People like age, people like the proverbial W/Mo mender-tank, people who think they should never fall below 75% health and that their energy pool as well should somehow be regenerated. People who pretty much believe monks have infinite energy pools and skills with recharge times of zero.
You all need to get a life.

Carla Witchblade

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2005

23 Dec 2005 at 18:55 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuietWanderer

I charge all the time for Thunderhead. In fact, everytime you see a monk charging there, think of me because I started it. The fact is, it can be a service and like all services, you have the option to say "no". You have no problem paying for a droks run, but you have a problem paying a monk that has done the mission 200 times. It's your loss not mine, I'll still get paid and you'll be without an experienced monk. Yet again, quit whining about what other players do.

If I equip my war/whatever with 15K glad with sup absorption and Chaos Axe/Fellblade, do I get to charge anyone since the enemy is gathered around me to check out my "cool" armor and shiny spork instead of flirting with the cute monk and ele?

Unless you can solo THK or do it with 6 henchies while I stand next to the king doing emotes, I don't see a valid reason for paying.

se7en18

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

I live in my house.. duh..

OoB FTW - Need Members!

23 Dec 2005 at 19:02 - 67

Wow. I paid for the game. I can do whatever the hell I want.

ryguy

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

Eval

E/Mo

23 Dec 2005 at 19:56 - 68

learn2Monk

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

23 Dec 2005 at 20:07 - 69

Does LuLu the monk played as a 55 build?

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

23 Dec 2005 at 20:15 - 70

Well Ristaron put the words right into my mouth yes I want those runes and 15K armor and maybe i am just jealouse at those that have it.I never said I was agaisnt farming or the 55 build maybe if I reworded the topic title and said slow down.I am at Abbondons mouth as well with my Monk and Warrior but when I was doing itThunderhead I was doing it with my Ranger we tried twice and lost.

I smited when I got tired of the way henchies were flying off here and there and getting stuck earlier in the game and have half of my skill bar full of warrior skills yes tuning my monk into a tank with presearing armor on I did this in the Wilds mission oh they weren't happy about that yes I heard it all when I first started i played a life bond protector.When I bought heal other at Quarrel Falls as there was no quest for it at that time I started to turn to healing.These aren't really flames as i am a super moderator on one of the oldest Star Trek gaming sites around any how i guess i reworded my post wrong i am not agaisnt farming or the 55 build just those that have and have not I tried with my 551 HP Monk and ended up getting -60% DP at griffon farming.I am sorry if I upset some of you but i just wanted to get my Ranger to emberlight camp a Monk wantd to charge for service and this was the 2nd time I heard this the 1st at the RoF.

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

23 Dec 2005 at 20:29 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ristaron

Age:

You have said multiple times that you want to try out the build. You have stated that you want to make money off it to buy 15k armour.
Now why, oh why are you snapping and crying at all the current 55 farmers?

I'll tell you why: you're just like them. You're whining because you can't join them because the prices of runes are too high (you've also said this is a reason for your anger). You want to get 'uber rich' and buy the most expensive stuff and laugh at all the people who can't afford the price of runes which you have aided in driving up after you have made your build. Even though you were once like them.
You want to be in that growing circle of 'rich people', but the only way you can do that is whining at Anet to get rid of the ones currently holding the places above you.

You, and all other filthy hypocrites, disgust me.

On the reason why there are so few monks around:
People like age, people like the proverbial W/Mo mender-tank, people who think they should never fall below 75% health and that their energy pool as well should somehow be regenerated. People who pretty much believe monks have infinite energy pools and skills with recharge times of zero.
You all need to get a life.

quoted for truth. this is almost the only quote worth readng over the 3 pages this has gone....

Yes i have a heal monk. I like healing. Yes i cna farm with my monk if i chose too, but i have other characters hat i liek to play to farm with. shes straight healer and i like it that way, but in no means do i feel that anyoenwho uses a farming build for their monk should be punished because they chose to play the game their own way.

that would be like me sayign that a warrior can tank better than a mesmer can. please nerf the warriors armor or stances. it doesnt make sense.

remember this in the game and in life. People are always going to have more and better things than you will. you have to learn to use what you have to the best of your ability. you dont need 15k armor or that max req9 crystaline or whatever to be uber rich. if you need a dye can you buy it? if you need a rune can you get one that suits your needs? can you buy a set of armor that works for you? can you buy or go to a collector to get a weapon for the build youre running?

when you can answer those questions with a yes, then your gaming expierence will become a whoel lot more fun than focusin on what everyone else has and that you dont at the moment

Kauh

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

CDN

Bloodrising Organisation

E/N

23 Dec 2005 at 20:52 - 72

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

Hi. I am posting this here for all of the board users to see not just in the Monk Strategy Forum.It has become more evident that the 55 monk is being over used just for farming purposes or those using for that purpose.........................

gawd, you posted here too? lol.

guess I'll copy n paste my response.

"Give a man a monk, he'll heal your party. Teach a man the monk builds, and he'll use them to their fullest extent.

Regardless if they nerf the areas these monks are farming, Its not going to stop them from farming. they'll just find other spots to farm, and wait for other places to farm.
Dont have faith, cuz people will do what they want, when they want, where they want, regardless of what people say, or do.
Not trying to be a dick here, thats just the nature of the RPG beast."

Kai Nui

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Behind you with a knife

Celebrity Gangsters [FamE]

Me/

23 Dec 2005 at 20:57 - 73

After you have unlocked everything, you can work on getting a good guild, good guild status, personal status (fame, rank), and getting 15k armours, and even creating little guys that get ran so they can compete in ascalon with droks armour and elites and stuff. If you are farming, you're just getting money and items to get 15k or for other personal use.

Tyrent Frath

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

[ECTO]

Mo/W

23 Dec 2005 at 21:18 - 74

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

That is right the Monk real jop is to keep those healed or protected in PvP as well as PvE but not for farming.

Those that use this build for just farming will never now how to play Monk and for you Monk players out there.

1-dont tell a player what his "JOB" is, they have the right to play the role they want in the party (to a certain extent).

2-I am a mo/w

I am a 55 monk

before i was a 55 monk, i was a healing monk and played through most of the game.

before that i was a e/n (then a e/me, then e/mo) and played through nearly ALL of the game (full storyline, bonuses, blah blah blah).

with money from my 55 build, i bought more armor and can now switch between a protector, smiter, healer, and almost any role a team wants me to play.

3-im a damn good healer, so dont say just because i play a 55 monk i dont know how to heal

FalconDance

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

...deep within the sylvan splendor...

Order of the Migrating Coconuts [ALBA]

23 Dec 2005 at 21:25 - 75

There does seem to be a shortage of monks who are willing to group for healing, esp. after Iron Mines. There might be several standing around, but they mostly seem to either be permanently afk or charging for their services. And for the past month or so, I've been in groups (really great ones as well as bad ones) in which the monks up and left the party stranded for no apparent reason. Now, some may have been d/c, but many were deliberate (I always try to whisper to ask why and more often than not have received very abusive, rude comments back that have nothing to do with the group or battle).

The monk class is no different than the others in that you either figure out how to play it as an asset or not. IMO, each party member should be responsible for keeping themselves healed to some extent (except for frontline warriors in the heat of battle, perhaps) and it should never fall to a single or pair of individuals to keep up to eight ppl in full health all the time! Learn to play your class, people! My blood necro can pull a well for +6 hp regen to help a healer out--and NEVER have I heard a monk comment on it except for negatively.

The 55 monk? He has his place, I suppose, but I really wish more would choose to simply be healers, protectors or smiters rather than fixate on gold and stuff.

dansamy

Chasing Dragons

Join Date: May 2005

Lost in La-La Land

LFGuild

Mo/Me

23 Dec 2005 at 22:30 - 76

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kabale

As has been stated before, monks go to Tombs because it's much more fun to keep people alive that actually know what they're doing. PvE is full of bad players that don't have a clue, and frankly it gets really fricking annoying to clean up their mistakes time and time again.
In PvP you get recognition for being good at what you do. PvE holds no such rewards...OK you might get the occasional 'wow youre a good monk' but 90% of the time people will be complaining.
So ya, it was fun in the beginning, but it totally sucked past beating the game once. Soloing is tremendously fun, but it's not the only reason why there's no monks in PvE. As has also been stated, everyone wants to kill stuff.
Oh and another thing, how many happy smiters do you see as part of a group? NONE. They all get bitched at because they're not healing/protecting. So where do all the people go that want to try out the smiting line? SOLO. Prejudice against monks FTL.

One last request, close this thread.

Quoted for truth. You want a good healing monk to get you through Thirsty ot Thunderhead or (god forbid!!) Hell's Precipice? Take Alesia. For good measure, take Lina. She happens to rock at prot. All the half decent player monks are either soloing or PvPing. I healed total morons all the way through HP and switched to prot ASAP. Now, I either solo, prot ONLY for FoW/UW groups with IQ's high enough to turn on TS/Vent, or PvP. You won't find me trying to help you get through THK for the 14th time in 2 days. BTDT. Not gonna do it again. The grief that most monks get in PvE is NOT worth it.

Hells Vengeance

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

Eight Deadly Sins

W/Mo

23 Dec 2005 at 23:45 - 77

Very few people can solo farm as a 55 now that AoE is gone. I know few builds that you can but I'd rather go in with SS/SV.

TGgold

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Flying Gophers

Rt/P

23 Dec 2005 at 23:58 - 78

"Now, I either solo, prot ONLY for FoW/UW groups with IQ's high enough to turn on TS/Vent, or PvP."

People like that are some of the problems we have.
So, what if I don't have a vent server? What now? Do you think that all of us that have to resort to typing are automatically missing points in our IQ?

Personally, I just chat with people before missions, that always helps me identify the good, the bad and the ugly. Also, I don't join groups 90% of the time: I make them.

Quite honestly, I've only ever found good groups with my Prot Monk, because I tell people (before missions only) that I need people that can take directions.

Other Ideas to finding a Monk:
PM them: Most of us don't take random invites
Chat in the local chat: A lot of people are friendly, really. And I know that I (at least) take note of people who are friendly and know what they're talking about.

And I don't mind the 55 monks, to get on topic. I think they should, like any other player, work with the team though to fit what's needed. I change my build almost every time I'm in a group, because I'm flexible. People who aren't flexible are the ones to watch out for.

Sagius Truthbarron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Animal Factory [ZoO]

A/

24 Dec 2005 at 00:00 - 79

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

Arenanet Designed the Monk class like all others to serve as a support role in the game not just to use it to solo farm.The skills the Monk uses are as balanced in every aspect of the game PvE and PvP wise as to the purpose of the Monk.That is right the Monk real jop is to keep those healed or protected in PvP as well as PvE but not for farming.

Yeah.. The smiting attribute doesn't exist...

dansamy

Chasing Dragons

Join Date: May 2005

Lost in La-La Land

LFGuild

Mo/Me

24 Dec 2005 at 00:07 - 80

Quote:

Originally Posted by TGgold

"Now, I either solo, prot ONLY for FoW/UW groups with IQ's high enough to turn on TS/Vent, or PvP."

People like that are some of the problems we have.
So, what if I don't have a vent server? What now? Do you think that all of us that have to resort to typing are automatically missing points in our IQ?

There are several publicly available servers for a PUG to use. The only people I travel to UW/FoW with without TS/Vent are people I have played with before and know they are capable players. I resent you automatically assigning blame for the problem to me. I am not the meathead who decides to go barreling in and aggro at least 2, if not more, groups and then proceed to scream "res me, noob". No, thank you. If someone else wants to res them, more power to them. I leave them dead. Unless I happened to have brought UA with me. Then I res them. Kill them. Res them. Kill them again. Trust me. I am not the problem with PvE monking. I quit PvE monking because of the overall idiocy of the players that cannot follow a simple set of instructions. With a TS/Vent FoW/UW group, I am at least assured of people who possess a desire for team communication and strategy.

You want to know where all the good monks are? They are in GvG, Tombs or soloing because they are weary of the abuse heaped upon them from the general PvE population.