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The 55 Monk must stop.

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Lord Iowerth
Lord Iowerth
Wilds Pathfinder
• #41
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Originally Posted by Age
If you are going to charge than do the all mission while they sit back and watch you no more different than Forge run the Warrior doees 100% of the work.I paid a Warrior to do the Elona missions for me and yes this was Thunderhead.This is my 3rd char through this mission.
In this instance, I can see someone charging for their services ... but I can't really see a monk "soloing" thunderhead

The thing that I disagree with (and I think I share the same feelings as some others in this thread) is monks who want to charge to help out a party doing a mission ... IE, the monk is not soloing the mission by himself, but rather playing a monk's role in the party. That arrogance of "you need me" in your party is what gets my blood boiling ... i've had a team of *ALL* ele's do several of the later missions, with *NO* monk at all ... so no, we don't NEED to have someone in a group that thinks they are better or more useful than everyone else because of their class choice ... that is IGNORANCE. Every class plays a useful role, and to assume that because you are a monk that you are somehow more important than the rest of the team makes me want to scream

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Klmpee
Klmpee
Lion's Arch Merchant
• #42
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I play primary Monk to serve that role not just to farm yes I want give the 55 a TRY but not for the sole purpose of solo farming.
then what else r u gonna use them for? doing regular missions with 55 health?run people around with 55 health? PvP with 55 health(nvr works)? many monks r not for the sole purpose of farming and others r not for the sole purpose of doing missions but farming.. so what r u saying?? i for one have 2 sets of armor.. one for max health and one for 55... omg im a 55 monk? but omg i havent been in UW for a week now.. hey! i havent even farmed augury in months!... its peoples choice to play the game they want to play it.. sooo yea.. pls dont tell people how they need to do there jobs.. unless they noob wars
~~Klmpee
Goonter
Goonter
Krytan Explorer
• #43
I think of it like this - If 55 monk is ridiculous in PvP it should also be so in PvE.

Farming aside, any time players find a way to solo several high lvl mobs, that area needs to "adjust to the metagame".
Klmpee
Klmpee
Lion's Arch Merchant
• #44
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This really is now getting out of hand as it now increasings impossible to find a good Monk in Mission Outpost it is either or they want to charge for their services.
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Character: MistyMaiden
Guild: GreenGuild
Profession: Mo/W
You need a monk for a mission but you cant find one?? thats sad to hear when it says your in a guild that is gonna help you and im sure they wont charge for services......is anyone else confizzeled to why she/he is complaining about shortage of monks ?
~~Klmpee
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Loviatar
Underworld Spelunker
• #45
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Originally Posted by Age
I wasn't aware of this and never was told to post request.I.
you are not a beta tester or you would know that the place to post was on the beta testers forum. (not here or other public site)

also that part about 3 years from a beta tester would have been an actional breech of the non disclosure agreement.
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4thVariety
Krytan Explorer
• #46
What makes you guys think that just because farming gets nerfed people will play their monks they way you want them to.

In any case people farming in large numbers will make things more affordable because of free market rules. after the insanity of the last months arenanet should be happy that stuff gets cheaper again. the only ones I see crying about that are some of the farmes themselves.
Age
Age
Hall Hero
• #47
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then what else r u gonna use them for? doing regular missions with 55 health?run people around with 55 health?
No just to try it out.
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you are not a beta tester or you would know that the place to post was on the beta testers forum.
I was doing the beta test as I bought the preorder and no one from Arenanet contacted me and it was called BWE known as beta weekend events and had UAS as I mostly tested the PvP portion of the game.
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You need a monk for a mission but you cant find one?? thats sad to hear when it says your in a guild that is gonna help you and im sure they wont charge for services....
My Guild only has 2 active players on it and the rest are never online pretty much dead which is something else on my mind not to think of my Char.s.

This is what really drove me to make post like this.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=97376
Klmpee
Klmpee
Lion's Arch Merchant
• #48
then leave that guild and find a new one.. problems solved their.. o and thats his choice to make it farming purposes only.. i havent even finish the game on my monk and i have over 150hrs.. im at abdomins mouth or whatever its called.. does that mean im not living up to my roll as a monk and doing every mission to play my "roll" in the game ?
Theos
Theos
Wilds Pathfinder
• #49
Yet another discussion about this... did we really need it? The same will happen as always; Exploito monks will defend their gold mine, charging monks will say its a hastle to watch red go up then down, others will shout and flame for no reason, etc... I could say SS was a bad skill and invoke the same reaction, people just want to defend their gold mines and golden pick axes, no matter how conditionally crappy they may be .

Right now UW can be soloed everywhich way and with pretty much every class, why? Poor design on one part, greed on the other. Prot Spirit makes most of everything work and the other solo builds are either extremly slow, or require good coordination. Anet could simply add Shadow Strike to destroy 55 monks... seeing as how the second damage is unprotectable. Then again you get Spellbreaker... hum... damn they should just take out the aatxe and replace them with Djinn. I want to see anyone farm UW then... lol.
geminisaga
geminisaga
Lion's Arch Merchant
• #50
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Originally Posted by Age
Hi. I am posting this here for all of the board users to see not just in the Monk Strategy Forum.It has become more evident that the 55 monk is being over used just for farming purposes or those using for that purpose.This really is now getting out of hand as it now increasings impossible to find a good Monk in Mission Outpost it is either or they want to charge for their services.The sole reason is so they can make back the gold they spent putting this build together as I see many post on other GW boards that I am on as other class of char. keep asking about well it is about time it stops.I play primary Monk to serve that role not just to farm yes I want give the 55 a TRY but not for the sole purpose of solo farming.

Arenanet Designed the Monk class like all others to serve as a support role in the game not just to use it to solo farm.The skills the Monk uses are as balanced in every aspect of the game PvE and PvP wise as to the purpose of the Monk.That is right the Monk real jop is to keep those healed or protected in PvP as well as PvE but not for farming.There are other build you can use for solo faming but it always come down to the 55 Monk.Those that use this build for just farming will never now how to play Monk and for you Monk players out there.It is becoming harder to find a Monk like I said in mission outposts.When I have played in missions we had to use henchie Monks or have 1 Monk and use Necromancer as a battery.That is what will happpen if the trend continues that groups will ask for 1 Monk plus a battery Necromancer as they can keep teams Alive so think about especially you Monk players.

There is only 3 chapters slated for GW and after that the games sole purpose is to be PvP only game as to everyone has everything unlocked.That Ladies and Gentleman is what the game is about.As a person who plays primary Monk healer or Protector stop making this build for just farming it is getting out of hand.Arenanet won't nerf the build but they can nerf the spots where you can farm as the UW has already seen it it is no different than Runners the Warrior was never intended on being a runner.I wouldn't be posting this here if it wasn't becoming a serious problem in game as I am still playing through the missions and I am a beta tester.
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Jungle Guide
• #51
it would be a bit random for them to nerf so long after its started...

I don't really see the need. All classes can farm, it just so happens monks can farm the best.
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heist23
Journeyman
• #52
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Originally Posted by Age
Hi. I am posting this here for all of the board users to see not just in the Monk Strategy Forum.It has become more evident that the 55 monk is being over used just for farming purposes or those using for that purpose.This really is now getting out of hand as it now increasings impossible to find a good Monk in Mission Outpost it is either or they want to charge for their services.The sole reason is so they can make back the gold they spent putting this build together as I see many post on other GW boards that I am on as other class of char. keep asking about well it is about time it stops.I play primary Monk to serve that role not just to farm yes I want give the 55 a TRY but not for the sole purpose of solo farming.
ummm....as far as i know, a 55 monk isn't meant to heal. it's meant to tank and kill enemies without outside help.

at which i arrive at my point: why would a 55 monk want to charge players for healing if they can't heal in the first place? i know they bring along Healing Breeze, but what difference will that make? looking at it, not much.

i'm curious though; what use is a 55 monk if not for farming or tanking?

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Originally Posted by Age
Arenanet Designed the Monk class like all others to serve as a support role in the game not just to use it to solo farm.The skills the Monk uses are as balanced in every aspect of the game PvE and PvP wise as to the purpose of the Monk.That is right the Monk real jop is to keep those healed or protected in PvP as well as PvE but not for farming.There are other build you can use for solo faming but it always come down to the 55 Monk.Those that use this build for just farming will never now how to play Monk and for you Monk players out there.It is becoming harder to find a Monk like I said in mission outposts.When I have played in missions we had to use henchie Monks or have 1 Monk and use Necromancer as a battery.That is what will happpen if the trend continues that groups will ask for 1 Monk plus a battery Necromancer as they can keep teams Alive so think about especially you Monk players.
if ANet designed monks to heal and protect, why is the Smiting Prayers line existant? ANet also designed this game to be open-minded, to let players play as they want. if someone wants to play monk yet deal damage, they can do that. by no means are they the best at dealing damage, but they can still do it if they want.

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Originally Posted by Age
There is only 3 chapters slated for GW and after that the games sole purpose is to be PvP only game as to everyone has everything unlocked.That Ladies and Gentleman is what the game is about.As a person who plays primary Monk healer or Protector stop making this build for just farming it is getting out of hand.Arenanet won't nerf the build but they can nerf the spots where you can farm as the UW has already seen it it is no different than Runners the Warrior was never intended on being a runner.I wouldn't be posting this here if it wasn't becoming a serious problem in game as I am still playing through the missions and I am a beta tester.
3 chapters.....sources, please?

while 55 monks are abundant, they are not a serious problem in the game. actually, that's a subjective opinion. if you've had a hard time finding monks to help you out, there's Mhenlo and Lina to help you out.



trust me, you're not a minority. there are plenty of monks that are out there to heal and protect, not just farm the living crap out of Griffons and such. no amount of ranting will get people to change their ways, either. at the endgame, most people look towards gold and items to amuse them. heck, i'm one of them. either way, i've never played a 55 monk.
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Lets Get to Healing
Banned
• #53
The only reason they charge is to gain money for a mission they havent already done. I have a 55hp monk and yes i do farm with it BUT i have an extra set of armor to help with missions. All 55 monks have to be level 20 so . . they had to have done missions. This post just sounds like an excuse so 55 monks should get banned. Post one about IWAY. They are really annoying in Tombs.
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Rico Carridan
Krytan Explorer
• #54
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Originally Posted by QuietWanderer
I charge all the time for Thunderhead. In fact, everytime you see a monk charging there, think of me because I started it. The fact is, it can be a service and like all services, you have the option to say "no". You have no problem paying for a droks run, but you have a problem paying a monk that has done the mission 200 times. It's your loss not mine, I'll still get paid and you'll be without an experienced monk. Yet again, quit whining about what other players do.
There is absolutely no similarity between running and what you're doing. When you run somewhere, there is no active involvement from the people who are paying you; in your case, you can't do the mission alone, you're relying on the group to pull you through, yet you feel that you can charge them. If you can solo Thunderhead as a monk, I'll pay you; if I'm trying to get through at level 10, I'll pay the group. If I'm level 20, you don't get a dime from me. You're an equal member of the team, and will be treated as such.

And as for experienced monks, well, there's only 3 monks who I've ever had good experiences with in Thunderhead. Alesia, Lina, and me.

I will remember your name though. Then if I ever see you looking for a group, I'll make sure you pay for my ranger's interrupting service.

Rico
Maiyn
Maiyn
Lion's Arch Merchant
• #55
Sorry but this is going to be a major flame, and it's not your fault. I'm not angry at you personally, but I really just disagree.

I farm with a 55 NECRO, and I've farmed with a 55 or 105 monk, even tried out a 105 ele. Please don't give me that crap about farmers. We've been nerfed enough, and as soon as everyone realizes that any class can farm maybe we'll have an end to this stupid "nerf everything" nonsense.



Since the beginning of this game, there has been a lack of monks. If anything the fact that you can farm should improve that. ALWAYS been a lack of monks, this is NOTHING new.
Kabale
Kabale
Wilds Pathfinder
• #56
As has been stated before, monks go to Tombs because it's much more fun to keep people alive that actually know what they're doing. PvE is full of bad players that don't have a clue, and frankly it gets really fricking annoying to clean up their mistakes time and time again.
In PvP you get recognition for being good at what you do. PvE holds no such rewards...OK you might get the occasional 'wow youre a good monk' but 90% of the time people will be complaining.
So ya, it was fun in the beginning, but it totally sucked past beating the game once. Soloing is tremendously fun, but it's not the only reason why there's no monks in PvE. As has also been stated, everyone wants to kill stuff.
Oh and another thing, how many happy smiters do you see as part of a group? NONE. They all get bitched at because they're not healing/protecting. So where do all the people go that want to try out the smiting line? SOLO. Prejudice against monks FTL.

One last request, close this thread.
kvndoom
kvndoom
Forge Runner
• #57
I keep 2 armor sets on my monk, one for 55Hp, one for 521HP. Since I farm with her mostly out of Dunes, I get blind mission invites quite often. Every once in a while I accept, switch to full heal mode, and go along. Dunes is by far the easiest desert mission, but you wouldn't think so from the PUG's I get in. It reminds me why people hate to play healer. You can take 5 henchmen and beat that mission hands down by doing nothing but call targets, but 5 real people, 5 human minds, can't converge to overcome the game's pathetic AI.

I built my monk as a healer, then bought runes and made her a farming tool. So I'm capable of both, and will use her for either as I see fit. Interestingly enough, I actually still prefer to farm with my warrior. Having to remember to cast Protective Spirit all the time gets old for me.

I don't know how long the OP has been playing, but there has always been a shortage of healers, even before the 55HP monk build came to light. It's a thankless job, and a lot of people don't want to play it. Every class in GW is versatile, hence the attribute system. Mesmers can shutdown or interrupt, Elementalists can scatter enemies or tank (tongue-in-cheek), Necros can build minion armies or support with healing and energy regen, and so forth. But 99.9% of the time, when a PUG wants a Monk, they want a healer. Period. Protector? No. Smiter? No. Heal, mend, de-hex, and rez. Period. Soloing for some is the only way to play their character the way they want to play their character. Do a little damage, or all the damage. Take on the high-level enemies and win. Everyone should be able to play the game the way they want to play, so long as it doesn't infringe upon anyone else. When you start seeing as many "GLF Smiter" and "GLF Protector" as "GLF Healer", you won't find a shortage of Monks in this game anymore. Until then, please understand the nature of the problem before suggesting a solution.
unienaule
unienaule
I dunt even get "Retired"
• #58
More flames = ban. You were both usernoted.
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pipes
Pre-Searing Cadet
• #59
Personally I have never experienced a problem with monks charging for services. I'snt this part of your standard guild services? Join a guild. Our monks are always more than happy to oblige a fellow guildmember. As for the 55 build, I have an ele/monk and I have a 55 build. It isn't so great that it needs to be removed or nerfed any more (trust me). Having to constantly watch out for creatures that use "Shatter Enhancements" etc. kinda makes it very dangerous.
wilebill
wilebill
Desert Nomad
• #60
This reminds me of the guy a couple months ago who tried to start a crusade against gnomes among the alliance on a WOW server. Gnomes are of course part of the alliance. Everyone thought it was funny, Don Quixote tilting at the windmill, but eventually the guy who was carrying on went too far and got his account cancelled ... monks are nothing like gnomes, of course ...