Official GW Scams Thread (no posting names)

Manderlock

Manderlock

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

TX

Crimson ScS

W/N

11 May 2005 at 10:25 - 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by Navaros
ok. i see your point

but i have a counterpoint

in the end, i did not really take a "loss".

because after i got the response from the GM that they are not going to help me, and that scamming is "technically legal"...i chose to solve my problem rather than lose the 200 gold that i was scammed for.

i marked up the price to 500, and scammed another guy out of that by selling the ashes to him.

now his only way to break even is to scam yet another person for at least 500 gold. and so the scamming chain must continue on and on, since it's the only remedy for being scammed.

plus, once it catches on how all this scamming is legal, tons of people are going to be doing it.

so either way... scammers win, honest players lose.

Honest Newbs lose. Honest players learn from past down falls, and never let it happen agin.

DarkAynjil

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

11 May 2005 at 13:35 - 42
I just saw a variation of the old "I drop, you drop" scam last night.
I was posting "WTB Rare Fire staff" in the trade channel -
finally, someone answers. I look at his stuff (a rare staff and a wrapping)
decide it's worth about 800 and tell him so.
We agree on a plat for the items. I drop a plat in the trade window and hit submit offer. The items are the same items I was looking at earlier... everything looks ok, so I hit Accept.
2 seconds go by, trade is cancelled.
He whispers "?????"
3 more attempts end the same way.
Then he whispers "It's a bug. Easy fix - Party with me and we leave town."
(At this point I know something is up -> but I like to see how dumb ppl think I am )
So, we party, and walk outside.
Then he says, "Ok, I'll drop the items, and you drop the gold."
Then I say "no, that's cool... thx anyhow, but I'm not a moron, or new to MMO's...."
He whispers, "I'll let you grab the staff first.... blah blah blah."
I put him on Ignore, and announce in public what he tried to do... Many references to D2 LOD followed.

Don't EVER trade items by dropping them outside town with someone. There's NO REASON to not use the trade window.

Good for a laugh, but I wish I could find someone to buy a good fire staff from, or drop one....

Manderlock

Manderlock

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

TX

Crimson ScS

W/N

11 May 2005 at 13:39 - 43
Haha, the old drop trade. Didnt think people were idiotic enough to still try that old as dirt scam.



P.S. In D2 soooo many people got burrned on that one.

Duin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

New Hampshire

11 May 2005 at 13:42 - 44
i cant believe that ppl think that the good old classic drop scam can still work... now that right there shows that the kid has come off of D2:LOD and went right into Guild Wars... he shoule be playing WoW instead where he can try that and lose his item.

Master Elyas

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

People Of The Dragon

W/Mo

11 May 2005 at 14:05 - 45
lol... i so hate when ppl do that... its never happened 2 me, but if it does, ill be sure to kick the dudes ass all over the city, and then shuv his sword up his ass... or staff or whatever...

oh, btw, what was this dudes name anyway? i wanna message him and be like... "Hey, i have this gold Dragon Sword i wanna sell... are you interested?" and hes like.. "How much?" and ill be like... "200 gold??" roflmao... that would be fun... because i DO have a gold Dragon Sword... and ill just tease his ass so hardcore!!!

Koraschuth Lucifaan

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

11 May 2005 at 15:38 - 46
Theres still some jerks out there that try to sell their armor to noobs as well. I love making a global post to let eveyone know that they cant use that armor since its customized.

Master Elyas

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

People Of The Dragon

W/Mo

11 May 2005 at 15:42 - 47
lol yea... i wanted 2 give my Rinblade of Charrslaying 2 one of my guild members, but it was customized, so he cant use it... you should be able to uncustomize weapons at least, or recustomize them again, for someone elses use...

hey ArenaNet... how bout implimenting that into GW?? that would be proness

Mountain Man

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

N/E

11 May 2005 at 16:01 - 48
Quote:
Originally Posted by Navaros
so either way... scammers win, honest players lose.
More like gullible players lose.

butcherboy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

11 May 2005 at 16:05 - 49
Maybe I should start selling "Scrolls" as deeds to various properties in GW. I rarely need gold, so there isn't much incentive there - "mmm trade you the deed to a house in Wizard's Folley for that nice suite of armour." That might work nicely.

Someone offered 20gp per spider leg in pre-searing once so I sold him 3. The other side of the coin is that if he had said 1gp, I would have still sold him 3. Usually I pack around 20-30 spider legs in both pre and post searing. I am a formidable packrat. I guess that is why I have 80 or so tanned hides in my storage chest... beats getting raped by the materials salesmen .

No offense taken at the N00b comment as I had plenty of chances to play BTW but didn't so my mistakes could have been avoided lol. Of course for being 120+ pages, there really isn't a lot of info in the manual.

Mountain Man

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

N/E

11 May 2005 at 16:09 - 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkAynjil
Then I say "no, that's cool... thx anyhow, but I'm not a moron, or new to MMO's...."
Wow, you let him go easy. You could have had at least 10 minutes of fun winding him up first by pretending you didn't understand. You should have had him repeatedly explain the deal to you, interjecting comments like, "So I can trust you, right? I'm new to online games," just to keep the fish on the hook. When it comes time to do the drop, toss out some relatively worthless crafting items and when he objects, have him explain the whole process again from the top. Then you hit him with, "You're a moron if you think I'm going to fall for this."

Mountain Man

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

N/E

11 May 2005 at 16:10 - 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by butcherboy
Of course for being 120+ pages, there really isn't a lot of info in the manual.
So true.

Master Elyas

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

People Of The Dragon

W/Mo

11 May 2005 at 16:13 - 52
roflmao!!! oh my god dude... that would of been AWESOME!

if someone tries that 2 me, ill do that... it will be so SWEET!!! i hate noobs like that, coming straight from D2, and thinking that the ppl here are as stupid as he is... just cracks me up...

Tanik

Tanik

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2005

11 May 2005 at 16:21 - 53
umm there is a bug in the trading window it happened to a guildy and me, i was trying to give her some dye. But it wouldnt never send the accepts to each other, we changed districts and that solved it. but i just wanted you all to know, where as his drop method might have been as scam there is a legitmate bug in the trade window as well.

Master Elyas

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

People Of The Dragon

W/Mo

11 May 2005 at 16:23 - 54
meh... im sure as hell it was a scam... ive never heard of that bug b4... maybe ur guildie was doing the same thing? lol... i doubt it, but meh...

Oracle

Oracle

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2005

The Zero Meridian

Servants of Fortuna

N/Me

11 May 2005 at 16:24 - 55
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tanik
umm there is a bug in the trading window it happened to a guildy and me, i was trying to give her some dye. But it wouldnt never send the accepts to each other, we changed districts and that solved it. but i just wanted you all to know, where as his drop method might have been as scam there is a legitmate bug in the trade window as well.
The only time I have had a problem doing something like this is when I tried trading from my storage to another person. The trade kept failing and it took me a while to realise it was because of this. When I moved the item to my inventory, then tried trading, it worked fine.

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

11 May 2005 at 20:25 - 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkAynjil
There's NO REASON to not use the trade window.

actually, yes there is a reason: belt pouches

won't go in the trade screen for some (no doubt, really stupid) reason.

so you have to into an instance and drop them to trade

of course usually i just sell fetid carapaces for the price of a belt pouch...but on occassion if you get stuck with a belt pouch, then you have no choice but to drop trade it

Miles Militis

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

12 May 2005 at 02:44 - 57
Rant on.

So I'm in Amnoon Oasis, waiting for a friend to logon, when I see someone by the name of ********** ask for some help transfering some money. I think, "Well, I'm not doing anything here, He'll probably get ripped off by someone else, Why Not?"

He says he's trying to craft some pieces, which I'm sympathetic about since I had just spent almost 6 Plat doing the same. He states things like, " Please don't rip me off..",,,, Yada yada, "your not going to rip me off, are you?"

Of course not, I'm not that type of person. As I said to him earlier, I'm just waiting for someone here, So may as well be me to do a transfer.

He then says... "I almost have enough to get the first piece.. Do you have any gold to borrow. If you lend me 1000, Ill give you 2000 when I come back with other charactor." ........."Sure", I say. Then he needs another 500. Ok again.

So far, its been about 10 minutes. He goes non responsive for a while, then after bantering him, he says " Ok, loggin on other charactor, brb"

And it ends there.

I know , I was asking for it. And I know its only 1.5 platinum, but its the point that matters. You think your doing someone else a favor, then some punk kid decides to rip you off.

Rant off.

Any recourse suggestions?

obvlexi

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

12 May 2005 at 03:56 - 58
the newest build changed the icon for dye remover it doesnt look like dye at all. CASE CLOSED.

Spartan2

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

The Intarweb

Wrath of Nature [WoN]

E/Mo

12 May 2005 at 04:23 - 59
Unknowingly scammed 2 people while crafting armor and trying to sell it in Pre-searing. I only made 30 gold, but felt bad for what happened. As a punishment, I try to help new players whenever possible.

However, when one knowingly does these things, such as Nyle Keumeyer, who was attempting to sell Althea's ashes and then repeatedly used the racial slur "n*gger" to halt the argument. The word was used at the end of every line he entered to debase his opposition and it is completely uncalled for.

This is just apalling at how immature the general audience of the game is. The game is recommended for those that are 13 and up but I believe that it should also have some sort of mental comprehension and maturity rating as well to screen out or ward off those with skulls too thick to be polite. This ofcourse would not work, but if it were a possibilty, the skill required to PvP or the efficiency of PUGs in PvE would rise two to threefold of what it currently is.

Weezer_Blue

Weezer_Blue

Elite Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

Just a Box in a Cage

Hurry Up The Cakes [Oven]

12 May 2005 at 04:28 - 60
A guild member of mine recently payed big bucks for a Celestial Sigil. The person that sold it to him said that he must accept the gold in a trade and then the Sigil would be traded directly to our leader. I would have called him an idiot, but this person carefully organized it so that several of his friends acting as bystanders would agree, and of course, the general population is quiet and indifferent when anyone asks a question to make sure. So it sounded as if it was true to him. 5 people confirmed and no people disagreed, it must be true, right? Well... anyway. He lost out big on the money, and of course, he wasn't able to aquire the Sigil. Just watch out for stupid things like this - even if there are several people in agreement with the person your trading with.

Mountain Man

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

N/E

12 May 2005 at 04:32 - 61
The Dye Remover as Red Dye scam was addressed with tonight's update. Now, Dye Remover is very distinctive and looks nothing like a bottle of Red Dye.

obvlexi

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2005

12 May 2005 at 04:48 - 62
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mountain Man
The Dye Remover as Red Dye scam was addressed with tonight's update. Now, Dye Remover is very distinctive and looks nothing like a bottle of Red Dye.

i just said that in my post dont think u can steal the credit from me

Akshara

Akshara

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

12 May 2005 at 04:59 - 63
Quote:
i marked up the price to 500, and scammed another guy out of that by selling the ashes to him.
Wow. That totally sucks that you did that.

Quote:
plus, once it catches on how all this scamming is legal, tons of people are going to be doing it.

so either way... scammers win, honest players lose.
First you cry about spilt milk, and then in the attempt to fix the situation go knock over someone else's.

An "honest player" wouldn't have willfully sold the ashes to another after being scammed and then contacting tech support about it. All that's happened here is scammers win, scammers lose.

What a bummer thread...

Quote:
umm there is a bug in the trading window it happened to a guildy and me, i was trying to give her some dye. But it wouldnt never send the accepts to each other, we changed districts and that solved it. but i just wanted you all to know, where as his drop method might have been as scam there is a legitmate bug in the trade window as well.
I had a simiilar problem once with someone, where it wouldn't accept our trade and kept closing. We couldn't figure out what was happening, until he realized he didn't have enough room for the items.

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

12 May 2005 at 06:09 - 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by Akshara
Wow. That totally sucks that you did that.


First you cry about spilt milk, and then in the attempt to fix the situation go knock over someone else's.

An "honest player" wouldn't have willfully sold the ashes to another after being scammed and then contacting tech support about it. All that's happened here is scammers win, scammers lose.
perhaps i should further clarify:

unlike the person who scammed me, i was not returning the scam to be a jerk.

the reasons i did it were:

1. i was not going to be out 200 gold due to a scam. if NCSoft was not going to give me my gold back, then i was going to have to get it back myself by any legal means necessary

2. by scamming someone else, more people will become aware that the ashes scamming is a big huge issue. if enough people get mad about it, then NCSoft might reverse their current pro-scammer policy. if however, i just went away quietly and forgot about my gold and kept the issue in the closet, then the problem gets less publicity which in turn leads to me not helping to get the problem solved in the long-run. my goal was for the scamming chain to continue (ie: the guy i scammed scamming someone else to get his money back, and so on and so on) so that enough people will get mad about the issue until NCSoft changes their policy. granted that may not be how things actually turn out, because some guy might break the scamming chain, but i did the best i could in playing my part to bring about positive change in the grand scheme of things

Paloma Song

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

[JM]

Rt/R

12 May 2005 at 06:42 - 65
That's got to be the most pathetic, hypocritical justification for scamming I've ever seen. You're not fooling anyone!

But, regardless, NCSoft doesn't have a "pro-scammer" policy. They have a "protect yourself" policy. They aren't being paid to hold our hands, and shouldn't be expected to reimburse us for our ignorance of game systems, our ineptitude at the market, or our errors in trust. They have absolutely no duty to protect you from your own naivete, nor any duty to penalize people who are clever (and cruel) enough to talk you into handing over a cow for a bean, or bypassing the safe trade system the game provides. We're not talking about hacking or robbery or trade window bugs, which would be another tale altogether.

This is no different from the policies of the other large MMO companies.

SOT

SOT

Banned

Join Date: May 2005

East Texas

12 May 2005 at 07:43 - 66
I am not really certain if my post will be responded to with anything more than one liner busllhit, as most of them are, but I am posting this here, in the hope someone will learn from my example, and perhaps be the happier for it, in the long run.

I will never again trade with another player outside of my own guild. Not ever. Period.

My reasoning for this is simple: I have been scammed in the past, and I have been witness to people DOING this shit to others. Justifying themselves and their behavior because the poor bastard fell for it is nothing more than denial of one being a dickhead.

Well guess what gimps? You cannot steal from me if I have nothing to do with you

I will offer people directions in the game, and I will give advice to those seeking it honestly but being treated like they are not there, or being made fun of, but I will have no further business delaings with human players. It pays little, and in the end, costs me much more than killing mobs until I have that 3rd ****ing SCALE I need.

Therefore, the trade chat text will never again grace my screen with pink. If I need something, I'll save for the mats, or I will use my drops. I get more colored drops than I think is sane, so I will make out fine. As for the quests, I just got althea's ashes ALONE, so anyone who stars that same old song and dance about solo can just talk to themselves.

I have listened to much of the banter on here, been involved with it, and in fact have come to like you all fairly well. I especially enjoy the sparring that comes up now and again, from both sides who always seem to be saying the same thing but cannot see it. LMAO. However, trade days with Fatal Kiss are dead.


End of story.

Miral

Miral

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Hell. AKA Phoenix, AZ

The Gear Trick [GEAR]

W/A

12 May 2005 at 08:24 - 67
Quote:
Originally Posted by SOT
Then, my dumbass thought "oooh, all I need to do is buy some scales, and I can can get soem scale armor crafted, since I have the leather!" So, I go to Yak bend, visit the armorer, and discover im short 50 gold for the complete set of armor. Then, my dumbass decides to go to the merchant. Ya know, to sell off my crapware stuff so that I may afford the armor I want.
I scammed myself with itchy mouse trigger finger...
I am a complete dumbass
LMAO I did something very similar to myself. I was also crafting scale armor, and also needed more gold and went to sell some crap to get more gold. Well, in my haste, I somehow sold ALL of my scales =(

Superdan

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

Des Moines, Ia

R/E

12 May 2005 at 12:51 - 68
Quote:
Originally Posted by Navaros
perhaps i should further clarify:

unlike the person who scammed me, i was not returning the scam to be a jerk.

Sure you were. You got screwed so you decided to try to see if anyone else was as naive as you were.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Navaros
the reasons i did it were:

1. i was not going to be out 200 gold due to a scam.
Why not? You fell for it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Navaros
2. by scamming someone else, more people will become aware that the ashes scamming is a big huge issue. if enough people get mad about it, then NCSoft might reverse their current pro-scammer policy. if however, i just went away quietly and forgot about my gold and kept the issue in the closet, then the problem gets less publicity which in turn leads to me not helping to get the problem solved in the long-run. my goal was for the scamming chain to continue (ie: the guy i scammed scamming someone else to get his money back, and so on and so on) so that enough people will get mad about the issue until NCSoft changes their policy. granted that may not be how things actually turn out, because some guy might break the scamming chain, but i did the best i could in playing my part to bring about positive change in the grand scheme of things

Really? By screwing other people you think word will get out faster than if you went to Piken Square stating in public to beware of this scam? Save your excuses for being an ass for someone that needs a friend bad enough to listen. Your goal was for the scamming to continue and that's the best you could do??? How pathetic.

Mountain Man

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

N/E

12 May 2005 at 13:25 - 69
Quote:
Originally Posted by Navaros
unlike the person who scammed me, i was not returning the scam to be a jerk.
Ironic, then, that you succeeded on that account without really trying.

Quote:
i was not going to be out 200 gold due to a scam.
Come now, my friend, at least be willing to accept part of the blame. You're not out 200 gold because of a scam, you're out because you fell for the scam. You did not exercise due diligence and suffered the consequences.

Quote:
if NCSoft was not going to give me my gold back...
They were under no obligation to.

Quote:
...then i was going to have to get it back myself by any legal means necessary
Even if that meant cheating another player? Sorry, my friend, but you're a hypocrite and no better than the scammer who cheated you.

Quote:
by scamming someone else, more people will become aware that the ashes scamming is a big huge issue.
That is possibly the worst justification I've ever seen. You want to spread the word? Then tell people! After all, I don't think you would encourage your friend to lock his house by robbing him blind. Or would you?

Quote:
i did the best i could in playing my part to bring about positive change in the grand scheme of things
No, you really didn't. You just contributed to the delinquency.

chalt2

chalt2

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2005

Ohio

Heros of Oakhurst - Leader

E/R

12 May 2005 at 13:36 - 70
Quote:
Originally Posted by Navaros
unlike the person who scammed me, i was not returning the scam to be a jerk.

the reasons i did it were:
The reasons you did it, wow, I'll give you this much you've some rocks to come in here and say that.

I'd have to agree with Mountain Man, bottom line is that you made two bad decisions.

Arrow Whisper

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

12 May 2005 at 14:22 - 71
Navaros you've joined the growing list of folks I intend to never group with. I keep the list beside my keyboard

Not that you care naturally but still.....

butcherboy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

12 May 2005 at 15:49 - 72
I saw the "Gold" dye scam running last night, but I didn't say much because I didn't want to waste my time arguing with a fool - there is usually no way to tell who's the fool.

I do have an extra piece of the armor from the "Defend the Wall" Bonus quests due to my 2nd run at it yielded all 4 pieces (first run I had only found 2 but gave the dude 1 before I found the Charr). How legit is it to sell the extra piece as it states it has a value of 5? As it is an item quest (you got 4 items ala trader) vice the ashes trigger quest (the conditions are met when you go to x,y and pickup Z for trigger quest). I just have an extra piece now.

Master Elyas

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

People Of The Dragon

W/Mo

12 May 2005 at 15:52 - 73
yea... i know a person who dyed his whole wyvern armor gold... it looks so pro! hes in my guild...

my wyvern is blue... its pro as well

heeman

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

12 May 2005 at 15:57 - 74
I only read first couple post on this... New update change the dye remover graphic. it doesn't look like red dye anymore. It has clear blue color with different shape bottle.
hmm.. Maybe, people will be scamming this and selling it as new color.. heheh..

Master Elyas

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

People Of The Dragon

W/Mo

12 May 2005 at 16:00 - 75
lol, i doubt that... everyone will know that it is a dye remover, so yea...

Master Elyas

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

People Of The Dragon

W/Mo

12 May 2005 at 16:05 - 76
lol thanks for that SOT... but, what else are we to talk about? his post started a whole new topic to rant on... lol

butcherboy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

12 May 2005 at 16:09 - 77
I should go back to pre-searing and sell the dye remover as transparent dye that makes you all stealthy and stuff.

Master Elyas

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

People Of The Dragon

W/Mo

12 May 2005 at 16:14 - 78
omg... dont scam ppl... its just not cool

and, besides... ppl will see that same "dye" at the merchant, and be like, ooo! ima get that! and then, they see that its the dye remover, and you are totally screwed...

'nuff said

Ludic

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

[XoO]

N/

12 May 2005 at 16:33 - 79
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkAynjil
I just saw a variation of the old "I drop, you drop" scam last night.
I was posting "WTB Rare Fire staff" in the trade channel -
finally, someone answers. I look at his stuff (a rare staff and a wrapping)
decide it's worth about 800 and tell him so.
We agree on a plat for the items. I drop a plat in the trade window and hit submit offer. The items are the same items I was looking at earlier... everything looks ok, so I hit Accept.
2 seconds go by, trade is cancelled.
He whispers "?????"
3 more attempts end the same way.
Then he whispers "It's a bug. Easy fix - Party with me and we leave town."
(At this point I know something is up -> but I like to see how dumb ppl think I am )
So, we party, and walk outside.
Then he says, "Ok, I'll drop the items, and you drop the gold."
Then I say "no, that's cool... thx anyhow, but I'm not a moron, or new to MMO's...."
He whispers, "I'll let you grab the staff first.... blah blah blah."
I put him on Ignore, and announce in public what he tried to do... Many references to D2 LOD followed.

Don't EVER trade items by dropping them outside town with someone. There's NO REASON to not use the trade window.

Good for a laugh, but I wish I could find someone to buy a good fire staff from, or drop one....
The reason the trade didn't work was because he had his items in his storage box and was trying to put his items into the trade window directly from the storage box. If he had put them in his inventory and then into the trade box, it would have worked fine.

Master Elyas

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

People Of The Dragon

W/Mo

12 May 2005 at 17:29 - 80
true... but this is about scaming... is it not? I drop stuff all the time to share with my party members, which are usually guild members or my friends, just because i dont need it... except wands... salvage those with an expert, and u will most likely get steel...