Warriors On Strike

yamero

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

for the main reason being that only noob warrs rushes another warrior in pvp

Hidden in the Mist

Hidden in the Mist

Banned

Join Date: May 2006

/S-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-Signed!

Retribution X

Retribution X

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

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/Signed. It's a MAJOR nerf... Now anyone can beat the hell out of my warrior...

They just made mending useful...

Erasculio

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady Kaz
another suggestion is IF YOU DONT PLAY A WARRIOR THEN SHUT UP DONT POST....
Make me

I love the idea of a Warrior strike. No more Wa/Mos rushing ahead and aggroing everything on the map. No more Wa/Mos screaming "Heal OMG teh n00b!" to the Monk after they run completely out of healing range. No more Wa/Mos thinking they are invulnerable because they have Mending. No more Wa/Mos leaving because they can't stand criticism.

So go on, go into a strike, hopefully this will make people see how a Warrior isn't necessary in a PUG. As things stand now, a Ranger can tank a lot better against casters than a Warrior anyway, so maybe people will realize that once there aren't warriors around anymore.

Erasculio

Shendaar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by yamero
for the main reason being that only noob warrs rushes another warrior in pvp
Warriors are the last target anyway so whats the problem? You're obviously just whining because your favorite class isn't as much better than all the other now. You still deal the same amount of damage and the additionnal elemental damage you will take due to the update is laughable at best.

If you can't adapt then you're the noob here.

Fluffyx

Fluffyx

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

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Death By Teazu [TEA]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erasculio
Make me

I love the idea of a Warrior strike. No more Wa/Mos rushing ahead and aggroing everything on the map. No more Wa/Mos screaming "Heal OMG teh n00b!" to the Monk after they run completely out of healing range. No more Wa/Mos thinking they are invulnerable because they have Mending. No more Wa/Mos leaving because they can't stand criticism.

So go on, go into a strike, hopefully this will make people see how a Warrior isn't necessary in a PUG. As things stand now, a Ranger can tank a lot better against casters than a Warrior anyway, so maybe people will realize that once there aren't warriors around anymore.

Erasculio
Haha, trying to make it sound like warriors will be the new PVE mesmer.

Dr Strangelove

Dr Strangelove

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Dec 2005

Wasting away again in Margaritaville

[HOTR]

Jeez, warrior are such a bunch of squishies. Poor babies only have 80-110 AL. Seeing as my elementalist only has 60 AL and goes down faster than Alesia when faced with eviscerate/executioners I don't really think anything is wrong here. It still takes an awful lot of firepower to break through that high AL, and my elemental spells are still reduced by about 50%.

Damage reduction was hardly an issue vs. spikes anyway. A spike dealing 70-80 damage isn't strongly mitigated by damage reduction. Small, repetetive, low damage attacks are most strongly affected by this. The only class that relies heavily on repetetive DPS attacks is... the warrior. So basically your overpowered defenses were nerfed while your damage was increased.

Hey, who took my cheese!


Edit: What's this trash about not being able to tank anymore? A warrior wearing platemail and a shield has 116 armor vs elemental without having to work in any other bonus. Other character tend to float around the 60-80 range. You still have more armor than everyone else, and you still have more defensive skills with which to improve that.

Mtank325

Mtank325

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Crimson Blood Dragons [CBD]

I think this is just one of those updates that are big at first, but will eventually blow over. It's like how nukers were "nerfed" when AI's intelligence was changed. It wasn't to screw over the player, it was to make it more realistic. Same here, why should a warrior have universal armor against every damage? And I do have a warrior and have since I got the game 13 months ago. I can understand if you've customized your armor sets based on having to purchase one piece for the absorption, but I really think this isn't that big of a deal.

yamero

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

[QUOTE=Shendaar]Warriors are the last target anyway so whats the problem? QUOTE]

the problem is i play mostly pve and this update just eliminated the usefulness of a warrior as tank

Retribution X

Retribution X

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

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This isn't so much a warrior issue, I signed because It puts more stress on the healers, who will now have to heal more, Causing there to be LESS monks, Who will get pissed off easier, because the warriors die faster, And rangers can't tank shit, and sins can't tank shit, so the only choice is for the necro's to tank...


And may God help us on that day...


Quote:
Originally Posted by Mtank325
why should a warrior have universal armor against every damage?
Because I'm supposed to fight decently, not drop over like a dead dog... And because my monk is gonna have to heal more, which can piss monks off...

~Ret~

Fluffyx

Fluffyx

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Courtney PantsuLand

Death By Teazu [TEA]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mtank325
I think this is just one of those updates that are big at first, but will eventually blow over. It's like how nukers were "nerfed" when AI's intelligence was changed. It wasn't to screw over the player, it was to make it more realistic. Same here, why should a warrior have universal armor against every damage? And I do have a warrior and have since I got the game 13 months ago. I can understand if you've customized your armor sets based on having to purchase one piece for the absorption, but I really think this isn't that big of a deal.
If the point is to make the game realistic, why dont change the mobs so all the casters kite. Thats a B.S. excuse for the AI change. :P

twicky_kid

twicky_kid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mtank325
I think this is just one of those updates that are big at first, but will eventually blow over. It's like how nukers were "nerfed" when AI's intelligence was changed. It wasn't to screw over the player, it was to make it more realistic. Same here, why should a warrior have universal armor against every damage? And I do have a warrior and have since I got the game 13 months ago. I can understand if you've customized your armor sets based on having to purchase one piece for the absorption, but I really think this isn't that big of a deal.
This is nothing like AI buff. That ONLY affected eles in PvE. This affects wars across every battle in GW.

A warrior has to have time to build his adrenaline to do any real dmg. Over half of every classes skills are warrior shut down. They are melee class so kiting is very effective. After this buff my warrior died in less than 10 seconds of focused fire.

Everyone that is joking and having fun about this don't. Wars have been reduced to the bottom of the totem poll. That means your fav class just moved up. Just a matter of time before the whining machines are going and that class gets completely nerfed too.

yamero

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

we dont want realistic...we hate reality thats why we play games to let off steam...

why not make it a 1 hit kill? or i use hamstring and you lose a leg?

Shendaar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

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[QUOTE=yamero]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shendaar
Warriors are the last target anyway so whats the problem? QUOTE]

the problem is i play mostly pve and this update just eliminated the usefulness of a warrior as tank
You still have more armor than all the other classes ... which means that you are still the best "tank". Any half decent monk and even sucky ones should have no problem dealing with that ridiculously small added damage.

Shendaar

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Join Date: Mar 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by twicky_kid
This is nothing like AI buff. That ONLY affected eles in PvE. This affects wars across every battle in GW.

A warrior has to have time to build his adrenaline to do any real dmg. Over half of every classes skills are warrior shut down. They are melee class so kiting is very effective. After this buff my warrior died in less than 10 seconds of focused fire.

Everyone that is joking and having fun about this don't. Wars have been reduced to the bottom of the totem poll. That means your fav class just moved up. Just a matter of time before the whining machines are going and that class gets completely nerfed too.
And my Assassin dies in less than 3 seconds of focused fire, so what's your point?

Lady Kaz

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

KGOA

Mo/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Erasculio
Make me

I love the idea of a Warrior strike. No more Wa/Mos rushing ahead and aggroing everything on the map. No more Wa/Mos screaming "Heal OMG teh n00b!" to the Monk after they run completely out of healing range. No more Wa/Mos thinking they are invulnerable because they have Mending. No more Wa/Mos leaving because they can't stand criticism.

So go on, go into a strike, hopefully this will make people see how a Warrior isn't necessary in a PUG. As things stand now, a Ranger can tank a lot better against casters than a Warrior anyway, so maybe people will realize that once there aren't warriors around anymore.

Erasculio

First off I have a MONK and yes I know some warriors do run ahead in groups and are stupid and aggro everything. But you are stero typing all warriors when you say that. Second I also have a ranger and I would never tank with my ranger, for a # of reasons....BOW it used to shot from DISTANCE not to tank and also I have 10 less armor than a warrior. So only a NOOB like you would tank with a ranger.. & Third I have a warrior also and I know that I can do a heck of alot more dmg than somethings can....lets see if you can go into FOW with out a warrior I have seen very very few ppl do it and they do not make very far and I know for a fact they do not clean out every little thing out down there. Just like UW...what the monks fight the smites....ooooh big deal. Warriors are by far very useful in this game.


Cuz I know you are going to say this.....


Why would I run a ranger with a sword when swords (melee attacks) are made for warriors....because of adrenline and strengh = armor pen

Retribution X

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Join Date: Nov 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by twicky_kid
This is nothing like AI buff. That ONLY affected eles in PvE. This affects wars across every battle in GW.
BINGO BABY! You rock! Dead on center.

Quote:
Originally Posted by twicky_kid
A warrior has to have time to build his adrenaline to do any real dmg.
yeah. If you get your ass handed to you first, how can you deal damage?

Quote:
Originally Posted by twicky_kid
Over half of every classes skills are warrior shut down.
Except monk, you are pretty much right. Necro and mesmers got a kick in the ass up the totem pole...

Quote:
Originally Posted by twicky_kid
They are melee class so kiting is very effective.
Yep. Saved my monks life infinite times, and my necro, and my ele, and my mesmer...

Quote:
Originally Posted by twicky_kid
After this buff my warrior died in less than 10 seconds of focused fire.
So does mine. Drops over like a dog that just had a heart attack...


Quote:
Originally Posted by Shendaar
And my Assassin dies in less than 3 seconds of focused fire, so what's your point?
Warriors are SUPPOSED to tank! Assassins aren't. The whole warrior object is to get the focused fire off the monks, and squishies. now the warriors are spongy...

~Ret~

Fluffyx

Fluffyx

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Courtney PantsuLand

Death By Teazu [TEA]

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[QUOTE=Shendaar]
Quote:
Originally Posted by yamero

You still have more armor than all the other classes ... which means that you are still the best "tank". Any half decent monk and even sucky ones should have no problem dealing with that ridiculously small added damage.
no more -6dmg x 10 enemies = 60 more damage. Simple math :]

ryanryanryan0310

ryanryanryan0310

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

Scars Meadows [SMS]

/signed 2x

why did they not nerf the touch ranger's..?
has anyone try running to droks?

Shendaar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluffyx
no more -6dmg x 10 enemies = 60 more damage. Simple math :]
Nothing prot spirit can't fix.

max gladius

max gladius

Yep, really is me...

Join Date: Aug 2005

My House

L33t

[QUOTE=Shendaar]
Quote:
Originally Posted by yamero

that ridiculously small added damage.
Wish some ppl would read the first post, do simple math, or just go away...


5 eles, 20 dmg per attack (flare or such) normal ele spam on warriors, for those who dont have a clue at all... 5 attacks each.... so that is 5x5x20=500
or if u reduce it by 7 dmg each attack.... thats 5x5x13=325..... not so "ridiculously small" amount now.... 175 hp could be life or death....

PER HIT!!! if ur playing a team that only hits u one time.... let me know who and where, cause i want to fight them!

Retribution X

Retribution X

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shendaar
Nothing prot spirit can't fix.
yeah. But, That's six damage a piece. prot spirit blocks 10 percent max health from one attack/spell.

Sorry, but, that's just not gonna cut. You are still very dead.

Fluffyx

Fluffyx

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

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Death By Teazu [TEA]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shendaar
Nothing prot spirit can't fix.
10%of 500hp or more you're saving 50hp. Its en enchantment so counting on that to save a warrior is a bad idea considering how easily it can be shattered.
The extra damage adds up thats the problem.

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

ADAPT, OVERCOME, IMPROVISE!!!

It's entirely possible that the good folks at A-net took other steps to mitigate the negative effects of this nerf. I've got a shield that's -2 physical, but it's +10 armor vs fire damage. Who knows, maybe more shields with elemental resistance buffs will show up. I can also see a big demand for Wardng mods, as soon as people stop whining & move on.

Shendaar

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Join Date: Mar 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Retribution X
yeah. But, That's six damage a piece. prot spirit blocks 10 percent max health from one attack/spell.

Sorry, but, that's just not gonna cut. You are still very dead.
Well if you are still very dead even with prot spirit, then you would have died anyway. Because 10% is 10% whether you have absorbtion or not. You guys keep forgetting that Warriors still have the best AL, so it's not like the other classes are now suddenly better at tanking. You take more damage, but still less than everyone else, but I guess you guys care so much only because your precious farming build depended on that damage absorbtion.

whitedragon

whitedragon

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Golden Dragons of Tyria (G0ID)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~
ADAPT, OVERCOME, IMPROVISE!!!

It's entirely possible that the good folks at A-net took other steps to mitigate the negative effects of this nerf. I've got a shield that's -2 physical, but it's +10 armor vs fire damage. Who knows, maybe more shields with elemental resistance buffs will show up. I can also see a big demand for Wardng mods, as soon as people stop whining & move on.

yea and maybe if we clap are hands and consintrat real hard.............
maybees and mights wont help

twicky_kid

twicky_kid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shendaar
You guys keep forgetting that Warriors still have the best AL, so it's not like the other classes are now suddenly better at tanking. You take more damage, but still less than everyone else, but I guess you guys care so much only because your precious farming build depended on that damage absorbtion.
No. Wars have the best armor vs physical. Every other dmg they are just like everyone else. I can get every class up to 80 armor and a monk up to 95 with no skills needed.

That is a HUGE problem. Dmg reduction is what made the warrior what it is. Without it is a slow assassin with less mobility.

Lady Kaz

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2005

KGOA

Mo/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shendaar
Well if you are still very dead even with prot spirit, then you would have died anyway. Because 10% is 10% whether you have absorbtion or not. You guys keep forgetting that Warriors still have the best AL, so it's not like the other classes are now suddenly better at tanking. You take more damage, but still less than everyone else, but I guess you guys care so much only because your precious farming build depended on that damage absorbtion.

Are you totally retarted MOST PPL DO NOT FARM WITH WARRIORS....THEY PVP OR TANK FOR MISSIONS AND SUCH.... freaken get a clue....What is it with stupid dumb a@@ like you that just does not seem to get things did your mom drop you on your head so you no longer can retain memory or is it that you just choose to be stupid and not read what everybody is posting.


THE FACT IS IT IS BEST ARMOR VS PHYSICAL.....HOW MANY WARRIORS THAT YOU KNOW OF TAKE ONLY ONLY PHYSICAL...NOT ANY IN GW...MAYBE IN YOUR MIND THEY DO


FOR A WARRIOR YOUR BIGGEST THREAT IS NOT ANOTHER WARRIOR IT IS ELEMENTAL ATTACKS.

ALL CLASSES CAN DO ELEMENTAL THE PHYSICAL IS NOT A BIG DEAL

Shendaar

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Join Date: Mar 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by twicky_kid
No. Wars have the best armor vs physical. Every other dmg they are just like everyone else. I can get every class up to 80 armor and a monk up to 95 with no skills needed.

That is a HUGE problem. Dmg reduction is what made the warrior what it is. Without it is a slow assassin with less mobility.
And a warrior can have over 100 AL against everything if they want to. What you prefer to do with your warrior is your own problem.

Shendaar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady Kaz
Are you totally retarted MOST PPL DO NOT FARM WITH WARRIORS....THEY PVP OR TANK FOR MISSIONS AND SUCH.... freaken get a clue....What is it with stupid dumb a@@ like you that just does not seem to get things did your mom drop you on your head so you no longer can retain memory or is it that you just choose to be stupid and not read what everybody is posting.


THE FACT IS IT IS BEST ARMOR VS PHYSICAL.....HOW MANY WARRIORS THAT YOU KNOW OF TAKE ONLY ONLY PHYSICAL...NOT ANY IN GW...MAYBE IN YOUR MIND THEY DO


FOR A WARRIOR YOUR BIGGEST THREAT IS NOT ANOTHER WARRIOR IT IS ELEMENTAL ATTACKS.

ALL CLASSES CAN DO ELEMENTAL THE PHYSICAL IS NOT A BIG DEAL
Elemental can be a threat to everyone, not just the warrior. If you think your pathetic insults affects me, you are dead wrong. You only look like 10 years old kid.

Mathias Deathwater

Mathias Deathwater

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

In a maze of twisty passages, all alike

Fifteen Over Fifty

/overreact.

Look, I can understand why many of you who play warriors are kind of upset, I would be too if what one of the things my class did best was changed for the weaker. I play a mostly PvE elementalist, and I can tell you, the first thing I thought of when I heard about the AI update wasn't "ZOMG my main character is now worthless what am I gonna do?" It was more along the lines of "I wonder what I could do differently now to make up for it? More single burst AoE would work..." Now, I know that these are different things, but it certainly doesn't make your warrior worthless. Maybe you should change your builds around to focus more on defence if that's what you're after or more on offence if that's your goal. And, before anyone says anything, I could really care less about the fact that my attacks will be doing less damage to a warrior, because, as mentioned above, I don't PvP enough to care.
/end semi-rant

twicky_kid

twicky_kid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shendaar
And a warrior can have over 100 AL against everything if they want to. What you prefer to do with your warrior is your own problem.
The armor is on a deminshing returns system. The more armor AL you have the less it reduces the dmg. For instance. Going from 60 to 80 armor is a 1/4 reduction in dmg. While going from 80 armor to 100 is a 1/8 reduction. 100 to 120 is a 1/16 reduction.

Just because you have more armor doesn't mean you it is a base dmg reduction.

Shendaar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathias Deathwater
/overreact.

Look, I can understand why many of you who play warriors are kind of upset, I would be too if what one of the things my class did best was changed for the weaker. I play a mostly PvE elementalist, and I can tell you, the first thing I thought of when I heard about the AI update wasn't "ZOMG my main character is now worthless what am I gonna do?" It was more along the lines of "I wonder what I could do differently now to make up for it? More single burst AoE would work..." Now, I know that these are different things, but it certainly doesn't make your warrior worthless. Maybe you should change your builds around to focus more on defence if that's what you're after or more on offence if that's your goal. And, before anyone says anything, I could really care less about the fact that my attacks will be doing less damage to a warrior, because, as mentioned above, I don't PvP enough to care.
/end semi-rant
See, thats the spirit. I wish everyone would think like you and try to adapt instead of whining to no end.

Mtank325

Mtank325

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Crimson Blood Dragons [CBD]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluffyx
If the point is to make the game realistic, why dont change the mobs so all the casters kite. Thats a B.S. excuse for the AI change. :P
Okay fine, so the AI doesn't sit around twidling their thumbs (If they've evolved that far) going 'do-do-do-do-do' as it rains fire upon them and they stand there cluelessly as their flesh burns off and falls to the ground going "splat, splat, splat" yet they still fail to notice and dance about their happy little squirrel dances, despite whether or not they belong in the squirrel family, and finally have the most quizzical death as they wonder what has led to their seemingly obvious death. It's to make it more "practical" in a sense then "realistic" and the armor update seems more "practical" then "realistic" to me. Better?

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

im not gonna sign...im not gonna unsign...

im gonna play and whatever you guys do, dont RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO it up worse

Swift Incision

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Yech - if warriors were bad enough before that they relied on -7 damage taken to keep them going, it's good to have them gone.

twicky_kid

twicky_kid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Swift Incision
Yech - if warriors were bad enough before that they relied on -7 damage taken to keep them going, it's good to have them gone.
How about we take a monks heals since that keeps them going?

How about we take energy storage away since that's what keeps eles going?

What about AoD for assassins?

Rit Lord for Rits?

Every class has something that helps them do their job. Never has that been removed from a class before till now.

Relnor

Relnor

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Join Date: Feb 2006

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I recomend that all of the noob warriors learn how to selcet their armor on what works for them and not base it on cookie cutter builds.

Nice job with the armor fix, Anet.

yamero

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

ok irrelevant but i noticed that ppl quoted my quotes of other ppl making ma look bad that happened 2 times...

i lol`ed

twicky_kid

twicky_kid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Relnor
I recomend that all of the noob warriors learn how to selcet their armor on what works for them and not base it on cookie cutter builds.

Nice job with the armor fix, Anet.
It was never about a cookie cutter choice. It was simply the BEST choice. Now all the armors are on even ground. They are all equally crap except glads. Ya, that makes thing better doesn't it?