Guild Wars Taught Me About Being a Woman

Well the neat thing is, I can entertain and humour myself without having to joke. Regardless, I'm right, you'll learn.

Btw, I don't need a flame retardant coat. I could care less about the opinions of people. People are trash, not worth the dirt on my boot.

You're living in a logicless dream, like most women (heh), where dressing indecently should not provoke indecent comments/gestures. The sad thing is, that dream is not without reason. Nobody should waste their time with you, you're obviously attention seeking and probly ridiculously needy. Regardless, the bottom line is, when you do somthing ("I'll go out in next to nothing if I want to be looked at") to get attention like a child and ego boost, you aren't going to be able to pick and choose. Live with it, and stop b*tching.

shalom

Oh so now we are back to the stud vs slut argument. Guys can dress in a provocative manner and it makes them sexy and stylish. For a woman to portray herself in such a manner makes her a slut. Geez, funny old world. Women have been "liberated" for over half a century and we're still expected to pander to delicate male sensitivities. If a short skirt and a bit of bust is enough to distract them that is THEIR problem, and they ought to keep it to themselves.

Just because mainstream (male) society chooses to treat women in such a manner doesn't mean that it is okay for them to do so. Last time I checked wolf-whistles and loud comments were classified as harrassment.

Just because it happens, doesn't make it right. And for the record, many rape victums are "respectibly" dressed.
If a guy can't keep it in his pants, he should seriously think about getting it chopped off.

I don't think he was saying it wasn't harassment or disrespectful or w/e. I think he was saying, "that's just the way it is."

>.>

And it DOES seem to be the way it is. I personally don't do that kind of thing but many do. Perhaps if Anet did stricter age requirements some of this kind of thing might go away, but some will still do it. People are bad (except the good ones, of course). ^_^

nuff said

Actually allmost all victims are respectably dressed. it's the guy that cannot keep it in his pants.

Got all girl avatars but a male Ranger and i had no big harassing problems till yesterday when a W/Mo harassed my grey dyed 15K kurzik Mesmer (nohting slutty but just the opposite, elegant and stilysh).

Didn't found very amusing and zapped to GH.

It doesn't matter how are you dressed, either in GW or RL

I'm a guy btw and love Summer with all women with less clothes than usual. That doesn't mean i have the right to harass them.

Unfortunately it's been like that for a long time. Women have to suffer for men's inability to control themselves. Of course, not all men are like that, but enough are to make things unpleasant at times, and they usually don't think they're doing anything wrong.

Ah but you see the difference is that you can enjoy how your character looks (in whatever way you want) by yourself and NOT by forcing any sort of purile behavior on anyone else.

I make my chars female for the fact they are eyecandy to me. Played a male elf in eq for 5 years. Got tired of pixelated male elf butt all the time so now its female characters female pixelated butt is much nicer.

This wouldnt be such a issue if Anet just changed the warrior dance a bit, just the thrust part then everyone but rapists and molesters would be happy.

there is some truth in that argument, in that most women dont like unwanted attentions while wost guys do like unwanted attentions, because its not really unwanted. the difference is that in one case its just phantasy and in the other its an unpleasant reality. however, when they play a female character in guildwars, they experience the other side of the interaction and see that it sucks when they stand around, minding their own business and suddenly they get whammo'ed.

my guess would that 'for a long time' means since before the establishment of civilization?

and i dont think its as easy as 'not all men are like that'. there is always 'a beast in the cellar', 'an animal trapped in a civilised mind'
maybe some men who are not like that may turn out to be like that in the anonymity of a computer game, while others who are like that may not be like that in a computer game. and others yet may not stoop so low either way. pure speculation of course

It's a lose-lose situation if you dress to get attention, ladies. If you don't, it's harder to get attention. If you do, some of that attention WILL be negative. Just like pretty much everything else, there are pros and cons. It's a double-edged sword, and probably always will be, because there will always be guys who can't get a decent lay and therefore vent their sexual frustrations in an obnoxious and offensive manner.

I'm not saying that behavior is acceptable, it's totally not, but to expect it NOT to happen when you dress to turn heads would be incredibly naive.

Oh,Talon, if there's a 'beast in the cellar', it would also be silly to think for a second that it's exclusive to males. Females can be just as nasty, and are probably equally inclined to let this 'beast' out, though they tend to do it in a different manner. I'm not saying you stated it's a male-only thing, but I'm saying this in case that's what was meant.

Pretty much. lol

There very well may be a beast in the cellar, but real men can control that beast and channel it into appropriate venues.

I'm not going to argue with you to defend the other posters point of view. I know what you are trying to say and I agree that everyone should be respectful to other people.

But really now, why exactly do women wear short skirts, makeup, and show alot of bust?

THEY DO IT TO ATTRACT ATTENTION FROM MEN.

There is no other reason to do it. None whatsoever.

The problem is, you end up attracting attention from men that you do NOT WANT to attract. And then you complain about it.

That's simply the truth. If you dress to attract men, you have no business complaining if someone shows you that attention. If they do it in a rude or harrasing way, then yes, they are wrong to do so. But come on, you dress that way for a reason.. And you KNOW that's true, even though I suspect you'll spin up some great rationalization for it.

To dress for attention, and then to complain about getting attention, that is the height of hypocrisy.

Even though this was on page two i felt the need to respond to it. The armor is less than droks armor, and it gives the same protection. I guess they charge more becuase the armor is more versatile. If it's lighter, theoretically if the game were real the players would move faster.

Just my little theory there.

Equivalent: Why, exactly, do men wear tight shorts, no shirt at all, and gel in their blow-waved hair?



Short skirts: It might be hot weather. Would shorts be better? They'll still show leg. Some people might just find short skirts as comfortable garb.

Makeup: It's become, sadly, almost expected of women to wear makeup before stepping outside the house. I assure you, it's not (always) to attract attention from men. For many of us, it's simple self-confidence and presentation.

Show a lot of bust: Well, if you're at... say... the beach, there's little choice in the matter. Unless all women wear wetsuits or t-shirts (which aren't that useful if sunbathing). The revealing clothes might be worn simply for comfort. The woman in question might be busty. Heck, I've been called Lara Croft when I was wearing an oversized t-shirt that revealed no skin below the neck or above the elbows.

Now, we've ascertained that not ALL women wear these things to attract attention from men (if anything, they may bat from the other side of the plate). However, I'm positive there are women who DO.

Just not all of them. Ok? Please... please have a broader mind than this.

Next thing you know the only 'decent' way for a woman to dress will be with veils and body-length robes. Though I'm sure there will still be any number of men shouting "C'mon! Take it off!"

But your argument is that if one dresses for attention and receives it, it should not be complained about no matter what kind of attention it is. You state that there is such a thing as 'wrong' attention, but then say it's hypocritical to complain about it if one is dressed to impress? Hyopcritical if they're raped? Seeking attention does not equate to seeking any and every kind of attention.

I'll stop there. I'm sure kids read this forum.

Lady Godiva rode a horse in the nude. Was she a prostitute? Was she a slut? Did she ask to be raped?

Those of us who are female irl don't appreciate the "wrong" attention there, just as we don't appreciate it in-game either.
And if a kind of attention can be "wrong", why are we expected to accept it? Doesn't matter if it's irl or in-game.

And totally off-topic, this is why I'm sooo opposed to the word "rape" in-game. As in "We raped them in GvG".

Isn't that like proving the point?

Here's what you do.

If you find yourslelf getting Wammolested grab a morally decent warrior and have him wammolest them back. I do it all the time to those horny wammos, gets rid of em pretty quickly

One of my guildmates did that to a warrior that was bugging our guild leader on his female monk. It ended up as a 3 (male) warrior pile up.

Well said. If A-net cares about its player base in general, and the kids in particular, it will tone it down a little. Hell, they nerf everything else.

Should have known this thread would head down this path. If you are going to change the warrior dance, you have to change all of the dances, because once you start with one, people will keep whining until everything is different than it started. They would have to change the ranger dance, the ele dance, the ritualist dance, and you know what.. I do not like the male ritualist dance either, there is definitely some thrusting detected!! You see, once you start, you cannot stop.


Personally, I am a real life female.. If some warrior comes up and faces thrusts on my character, well.. I laugh it off. I could care less. If he is so sad and desperate,he needs to get his jollies by watching pixels smash against pixels, that is his business, not mine. Some people are taking this way too seriously. It is a game. No one touches 'you'.

As for showing skin, and dressing for 'presentation', remember, the most forbidden fruit is the most unreachable and thickly skinned on the tree. Men desire to see more of what is covered up, and less of what is already in front of them. Just so happens we seem to play in a teenage world and they haven't grown up enough to discover this.

Nope. I'm sure that if you think about it long enough you can come up with some explanations as to why guys sometimes 'dress' like that, without needing to resort to 'omg, they're just trying to attract girls'.

I'm not really sure how you can get so worked up over such things. Maybe it's just hard for me to empathize as I've just gotten used to it.
You see, I have a friend who is actually quite mature, smart, responsible and is on his way to becoming a doctor... but still finds it hilarious how people react when he starts humping them.

For his own sake, I really hope he doesn't become a pediatrician when he grows up. I doubt the parents would see the funny side...

Lol i went afk for like 1 minute with my Female ranger dancing in RA...When i got back i had like 10-15 Whammo's staring at me.. It was creepy>< I wish i could find that screeny!

Congrats emote is your friend, also goteam close to their crotch also acts as a deterrent.

Worse then random people coming up and humping you is the idiots who mock you for being a male with a female character. The irony is that if they make such a big deal outta it, they are the ones who most likely have some issues. Anyway, my response is usually something along the lines of "hey, if i'm going to be playing a game for hundreds of hours, I don't wanna have to look at some big ass, ugly dude."

Sorry for dragging this post off-topic.

I guess that I haven't been all that clear in what I'm trying to get accross, so let me try one last time.

I work in a male dominated industry. I CANNOT to wear skirts to work because the amount of trouble it cause could pontentially be career stopping. Men in the industry don't want to be reminded constantly that it doesn't take balls to do their job. I put up with this restriction because I have to play along. Failure to comply to industry expectations could potentially cost me my career. This does not mean that this is RIGHT.

When I go out on the weekend dressed in my LBD, I KNOW that I am going to receive as much (if not more) negative attention as I do positive. I go out anyway. I'm not naive, I know that these things happen, they even happen to me. This does not mean that this is RIGHT.

My point is this-
By saying, that's life, accept it - you are perpetuating the idea that this social behaviour is acceptable.
There is nothing to stop you checking out that pretty red-head. There is nothing wrong with it. What is WRONG, and can even be deemed as harrassment, is approaching uninvited and engaging in "hands on" techniques, or using verbal slander.

Certainly this does happen. Certainly we ladies do have to put up with it. But until it becomes frowned upon by society, women - like myself - are not going to stop protesting about such treatment. Hopefully the more men become aware of how unacceptable this behaviour is, the less socially acceptable it will become. We've come a long way since "liberation" some 60 years ago, but we still have some distance to go.

My personal suggestion, is that Anet implement a "bitch-slap" emote. I've always found it an excellent deterent to unwanted, unwarrented (even offensive) male attention.

This is just one of the many reasons why I love playing a male ele. Least of all is being the sexually-secure gentleman that I am and unnerving the wammos by giving them a taste of their own medicine. It's hilarious when I have to chase them down. Ah, defending a woman's honour has never been so much fun!

Some of the posts in here are taking this way too seriously.

1) You simply can not make the link that behaviour online/anonymously is how people will and do behave in real life. Just because some male warrior character is "dancing" at some near naked elementalist does not translate to: that warrior's player is a rapist, that ele's player is a slut. You're very probably wrong on both counts (and the ele player is probably male anyway lol).

2) A debate on clothing and how men/women regard each other in the real world probably belongs in the off topic forum.

3) If it really bothers you and something offends you in game you're within the Rules of Conduct of the game to report it. Take screenshots and submit it to Anet (it's in the rules somewhere...)

a society like that would require everyone to be well educated, intelligent and happy. which is certainly a noble goal, but in my opinion not very realistic
you might as well shake your fist at the rain and demand that it doesnt touch you. or you could bring an umbrella.
i'm not trying to defend men, quite the contrary. but i think that men dont act like they do because society allows it, but because its part of human nature, and it takes a certain level of wisdom and self control to overcome.
and if anything, incidents like what happened to the original poster may help to educate a few ppl.

My view is that you really shouldn't be allowed to complain when you wear something lowcut and some random guy tries to get his grope on. If ya don't want that kind of attention, stop dressing like that. Not saying it's ok for dudes to go around groping, I'm just saying you need to be more realistic, and stop acting like it's all the guys fault.

its just a game ppl! remember lol
i'm a female gamer and i have 15k druids, just go afk in your gh if you scared of being ermmm...... raped?

seriously people should grow up though! thats sick.

Once upon a time the "educated" people of the world didn't think that women were rational enough to vote. The "educated" people of the world didn't think that a woman was capable of doing more that producing children, cooking, and cleaning.

Once upon a time the "educated" people of the world thought that those with darker skin were inferior beings. The "educated" people of the world thought they were evil, that they weren't capable of "real" thought.

Yet both these things are NOT the reality of today. The "educated" people now know that such "ideas" are a bunch of BS.

Point: The "educated" people have the largest influence on society's views.
Point: It takes a LONG time to change the world.
Point: [sacasm]Until we have a support group, that spends several centuries shaking their fists at the rain demanding that it fall where we want it to, we really don't know whether it will/will not work.[/sarcasm]

Zomg, it was all her fault, she was wearing a short skirt, she MADE me rape her.

Oh please, do you have any idea how ridiculous this sounds? Not the guy's fault? Since when did we become responsible for another adult's actions? Are you suggesting that women are telepathic, and we are secretly sending men messages, asking them to grope us?

As adults we are 100% responsible for our OWN actions. If a guys ties to grope me, he is responsible for HIS groping. If I kick him in the balls, well I'm responsible for kicking him in the balls.

Point: Groping is unjustified - unless invited - no matter what a girl is wearing.
Point: Kicking a guy in the nuts is considered defensive, and fully justified in cases of unwarrented harrassment.

If you took the time to read this whole topic, the discussion went off-topic a little while back when someone suggested that girls (irl and ig) wearing very little in the way of clothing derserved whatever was coming to them.

Wammoed lol that's great.

My warrior has been wammoed occasionally. Yes, *that* is how studly he looks. And you better believe it. ^_^

I gotta find me a gamer lady sometime... well one that doesn't play WoW instead of GW that is, arrrrg... >_>

Sometimes I walk around wearing really short shorts in the hopes that it will invite some very warranted groping. Not by dudes though, well maybe if they look like my studly warrior then it's ok.

Haha! I've done that too! The 'wammolestation' victim is usually quite amused. The bad wammos are so sexually insecure, they just freak out...

Anyway, ladies, I agree that it is NOT acceptable for men to act like horny apes and try to grope, molest or harrass you. I agree that you SHOULD be able to dress however you want without having to deal with this. But I must reiterate: until people are polite and decent enough to stop behaving like that, you will have to face it. If you kick the guy in the balls, more power to you, he deserves it. But the situations that would make you want to kick a man in the balls will occasionally arise. Wearing skimpy clothing will likely cause this to happen more often.

I don't like it, you don't like it... decent human beings don't like it, and it is not acceptable behavior in any way, shape, or form. But you will have to deal with it sometimes. By that, I don't mean accept it. Quite the opposite in fact. I hope you teach bastards like that a lesson.

On a lighter note, my brother plays female chars, and when he gets wammoed, he tells them "my vagina has razor-sharp teeth". This works every time. Most of those bad wammos are frightened of a woman (or what they think is a woman) who can make a comment like that. In fact, that image could frighten even sexually secure men. It would scare me if I didn't find it so hilarious to watch those bad wammos scurry away like roaches.

Are you guys that surprised that this type of stuff goes on?

You do know that lots of kids play the game and are more than likely to screw about don't you.

Just ignore them ffs.