I think its pretty funny listening to peoples opinions about Dervishes in particular. Some go around screaming that they are over powered and others laugh at how bad they are.
Like ALL professions they have their ups and their downs. But that doesn't answer the question at hand.
I'm sure after reading this some people will disagree but Dervishes have the potential to be a very dominating profession.
First the skills. The God skills a very different style of skill that guild wars has seen and I think they fit in fine. Used at the right time they can turn the battle.
Also the fact enchantments are meant to be removed it often can be a win or win situation.
The scythe is also a very different weapon and I think it is very useful. You know it feels good when you are killing more than one person. Its pretty funny when people jump you and die, and it makes a more interesting game. And perhaps some very fun farming builds...But anyway.
So what I am saying is, don’t be put off by the HUGE amount of noob Dervishes. Right now when you get a Dervish or Paragon on your team in RA you just know you're at a disadvantage.
So anyway, discus, flame, add your input.
[MERGED] Balancing Dervish Profession
The Last Preacher
TopGun
They're a little smaller than the Ritualist's, but I still think Dervish's are pretty hawt.
NinjaKai
Personally I think Dervish is a good profession. Besides as has been said many times already. Its a beta event. Let people bitch and whine all they want. ANet need this important data to help balance them out for when nightfall is released. I mean they can't balance them unless they are put to a full scale test.
I do find the blades on the Dervish robes a bit funny. I can see ANets latest skill. Spinning Battle Dress. XD
I do find the blades on the Dervish robes a bit funny. I can see ANets latest skill. Spinning Battle Dress. XD
Arkantos
I saw a top 100 guild get raped by like a 800 guild with dervishes...I'd say there hawt 
Poison Ivy
Thats us ^
Build's known name : Tigers/Spears of Lightning
Discription : No skill what-so-ever to use, uncounterable (pretty much), gay.
Build's known name : Tigers/Spears of Lightning
Discription : No skill what-so-ever to use, uncounterable (pretty much), gay.
Solar_Takfar
I'm pretty sure someone mentioned it somewhere already (or maybe no one did), but as soon as I saw the effects of the Derv enchantments on the premade dervs ("your attacks cause holy/earth/cold damage"), the absorption "nerf" came in perspective. Dervs have a slightly better chance of killing warriors with that.
jeoliver
The best teams I have been in so far have consisted of two Dervish, a Peragon, and a Monk. I have also been in a group with three Dervish and a paragon, and did moderately well. I wouldn't say having all Dervishes is that much a disadvantage, however not having a monk will screw you over.
Ken Dei
3 Dervishes and a monk, 1 Dervish focuses on scythe skills (cripple, bonus dmg, bleeding, etc.) The others run around and smite the crap out of everything....it's great.
The best thing Dervishes do is they remove those annoything "bridge jams" on Saltspray....once Dervishes hit the main battle cluster...it's whoever's left that moves up the battlefeild.
The best thing Dervishes do is they remove those annoything "bridge jams" on Saltspray....once Dervishes hit the main battle cluster...it's whoever's left that moves up the battlefeild.
Electric Sky
my only complain about the Dervish is that they seem to attack slower than the other professions - i mean just in general attacking without using skills
but that might just be me
but that might just be me
The Last Preacher
A lot of people complain about their attack speed but I find it fine. My attacks often hit high and everyone around me.
As mentioned those bridge crams can win you the match with a dervish.
As mentioned those bridge crams can win you the match with a dervish.
fiery
I say wait for the skill nerf, and plus some skill changes from preview to the Nightfall game itself.
Mavrik
Hot so far.
fleshvirus
The avatars are COOL and u can exploit them in many ways.. wich i will when the Nightfall releases... and the scythes and everything, Their fantastic Faction farmers
and good of use in RP
and good of use in RP
TeeGee
8 D/Mo teams dominating HA with no possible counter made me hate that class. They have real issues and the bad thing is that either way they gonna be overpowered or just worse than warriors. Also I don't like idea of making warrior/monk/ele in one profession and giving it such powerfull primary as mysticism.
TadaceAce
I really don't know, I absolutely love my dervish. In the right situation they do more damage than anything I've ever seen. In the wrong situation they do next to nothing.
The main fact I want to emphasize is that playing a good dervish is harder than playing a good anything else. You have to constantly be watching your enchants, your health, your location, and your skill bar. Things like pious assault are godly, but if you play poorly and your enchant runs off...
The main fact I want to emphasize is that playing a good dervish is harder than playing a good anything else. You have to constantly be watching your enchants, your health, your location, and your skill bar. Things like pious assault are godly, but if you play poorly and your enchant runs off...
Morrandir Gurthring
I personally think it'll end up a lot like the Assassin. You'll get 3 groups of them if you think about it:
1. People who then take a caster secondary, so they can actually have a ROBE. (I know a couple Assassins that took Warr second, for the leaner body.)
2. People who enjoy the class for what it is, and play it well to its strengths, while trying to stay away from counters.
And 3. People who roll one because "OMGSYHTEOMGROXXOROMGOMG1337OMG." (Naruto fanbois...)
Personally, I'm hoping to fit into group 2, but I'm in 1 right now
1. People who then take a caster secondary, so they can actually have a ROBE. (I know a couple Assassins that took Warr second, for the leaner body.)
2. People who enjoy the class for what it is, and play it well to its strengths, while trying to stay away from counters.
And 3. People who roll one because "OMGSYHTEOMGROXXOROMGOMG1337OMG." (Naruto fanbois...)
Personally, I'm hoping to fit into group 2, but I'm in 1 right now
LamerFlamer
Critting for 130 with mystic strike at 16 scythe is fun, I must say. And doing that to two people is even more fun! But, I say it is far too early to make any judging.
Lambentviper
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I saw a top 100 guild get raped by like a 800 guild with dervishes...I'd say there hawt
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4:36 seconds anyone?
Quid Pro Quo
You know everyone says they are overpowered because when in the right conditions, and when the right person is playing one, a Dervish can be extremely powerful BUT take a Dervish out of that enviroment and you not left with much.
I actually like that about the class. With Warriors its a bit like playing Superman.. sure sometimes there is kryptonite but most of the time your just really freaking invincable.. Dervishes are like Batman.. sure he couldn't just run up and take a bullet but the things he figures out in the enviroments hes in are muce more impressive.
I personally really like the pack hunter. Its like playing a character with a mounted machine gun. :P
I actually like that about the class. With Warriors its a bit like playing Superman.. sure sometimes there is kryptonite but most of the time your just really freaking invincable.. Dervishes are like Batman.. sure he couldn't just run up and take a bullet but the things he figures out in the enviroments hes in are muce more impressive.
I personally really like the pack hunter. Its like playing a character with a mounted machine gun. :P
Lostthought144
I thought they rapped too, the took down wammos like nothing!! But then I watched how fast a mes and decro degen team ate those bastards up like nothing!!! to beat them you just gotta split up and spike the crap out of them ^_^
Personally, I like them though...not as much as the sin but I like them
Personally, I like them though...not as much as the sin but I like them
princessstar
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Originally Posted by Quid Pro Quo
You know everyone says they are overpowered because when in the right conditions, and when the right person is playing one, a Dervish can be extremely powerful BUT take a Dervish out of that enviroment and you not left with much.
I actually like that about the class. With Warriors its a bit like playing Superman.. sure sometimes there is kryptonite but most of the time your just really freaking invincable.. Dervishes are like Batman.. sure he couldn't just run up and take a bullet but the things he figures out in the enviroments hes in are muce more impressive. I personally really like the pack hunter. Its like playing a character with a mounted machine gun. :P |
merdle
I've had fun playing an Illusion of weakness, Faithful intervention D/Me.
Spamming Batlth's rage then using Pious Assualt to take it right back off.
but when I had to take a break from that, I got out my mesmer and has fun shattering enchants, then Power Spiking the Dervishes as they tried to get them back on. between that and empathy, A dervish can be made into a puppy dog.
So what does that mean? their just like any other class. Like someone said, they fit where they fit, and they don't where they don't. I think some people are just mad because they seem like their pushing in on the turf of warriors, which they won't in the end. Warriors in basic moves, what Dervishes have to work for. Sprints, conditions, damage spikes. The dervish can't just put it all out there all the time and as fast as a warrior.
(But don't put any pets or spirits near a dervish, that always makes me laugh)
Spamming Batlth's rage then using Pious Assualt to take it right back off.
but when I had to take a break from that, I got out my mesmer and has fun shattering enchants, then Power Spiking the Dervishes as they tried to get them back on. between that and empathy, A dervish can be made into a puppy dog.
So what does that mean? their just like any other class. Like someone said, they fit where they fit, and they don't where they don't. I think some people are just mad because they seem like their pushing in on the turf of warriors, which they won't in the end. Warriors in basic moves, what Dervishes have to work for. Sprints, conditions, damage spikes. The dervish can't just put it all out there all the time and as fast as a warrior.
(But don't put any pets or spirits near a dervish, that always makes me laugh)
Molte
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The main fact I want to emphasize is that playing a good dervish is harder than playing a good anything else. You have to constantly be watching your enchants, your health, your location, and your skill bar. Things like pious assault are godly, but if you play poorly and your enchant runs off...
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TeeGee
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The main fact I want to emphasize is that playing a good dervish is harder than playing a good anything else. You have to constantly be watching your enchants, your health, your location, and your skill bar.
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For me it spoiled PvP weekend fun - all teams in HA are being dervish or attemting at being anti-dervish. Like more stupid IWAY for larger scale.
Dervish concept is funny - and it works for single dervish - but Anet must put a lot of work to balancing them for teamplay and potiential broken comboes like sandstorm/exhausting strike. They came with this beta too soon imho - factions characters was almost done during factions preview and they didn't had THAT big issues.
Karmaniac
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my only complain about the Dervish is that they seem to attack slower than the other professions - i mean just in general attacking without using skills
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chumsy
3/4ths cast time on any of those AoE enchants more than makes up for slower attack speed.
And the dmg on those AoE enchants are what cyclone axe and triple chop should've had.
And the dmg on those AoE enchants are what cyclone axe and triple chop should've had.
dreamhunk
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I've had fun playing an Illusion of weakness, Faithful intervention D/Me.
Spamming Batlth's rage then using Pious Assualt to take it right back off. but when I had to take a break from that, I got out my mesmer and has fun shattering enchants, then Power Spiking the Dervishes as they tried to get them back on. between that and empathy, A dervish can be made into a puppy dog. So what does that mean? their just like any other class. Like someone said, they fit where they fit, and they don't where they don't. I think some people are just mad because they seem like their pushing in on the turf of warriors, which they won't in the end. Warriors in basic moves, what Dervishes have to work for. Sprints, conditions, damage spikes. The dervish can't just put it all out there all the time and as fast as a warrior. (But don't put any pets or spirits near a dervish, that always makes me laugh) |
If anet nerf's the dervish to the point of an asassin there is no point in making new classies.
tomcruisejr
Just like technology and pve items, dervishes are hot coz they're new.
tomcruisejr
Just like technology and pve items, dervishes are hot coz they're new.
Wretchman Drake
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So what I am saying is, don’t be put off by the HUGE amount of noob Dervishes. Right now when you get a Dervish or Paragon on your team in RA you just know you're at a disadvantage.
So anyway, discus, flame, add your input. |
Most Dervish I've seen just unlock the Avatars of whatever, rush out and use random skills.
The Last Preacher
One thing that should also be said. Its easy for Anet to make them underpowered then leave them over powered.
Dervish in particular are a whole new kind of profession. I think ‘Quid Pro Quo’ has it right. 'Dervish can be extremely powerful BUT take a Dervish out of that environment and you not left with much.'
Its like any profession. Highs and lows, that’s what guild wars is. And the skill is tipping the balance using something others would find hard. Because Dervish’s have some very high highs people are making counters which can pretty much leave them useless. So Anet will fiddle with these new skills, I am sure they will have a busy ¾ months.
And Dervish are very different to warriors. Warriors will always keep their poor rep as anyone can click on someone and unleash a few attacks and survive with armour. But when a dervish, you are constantly looking around as what enchantments you have, your energy. It can be hard but rewarding.
Then on the other hand a hood and scythe is like OMG very powerful to kids but heck, its my free faction.
But it’s a preview event, assassins and ritualists had some large changes.
Dervish in particular are a whole new kind of profession. I think ‘Quid Pro Quo’ has it right. 'Dervish can be extremely powerful BUT take a Dervish out of that environment and you not left with much.'
Its like any profession. Highs and lows, that’s what guild wars is. And the skill is tipping the balance using something others would find hard. Because Dervish’s have some very high highs people are making counters which can pretty much leave them useless. So Anet will fiddle with these new skills, I am sure they will have a busy ¾ months.
And Dervish are very different to warriors. Warriors will always keep their poor rep as anyone can click on someone and unleash a few attacks and survive with armour. But when a dervish, you are constantly looking around as what enchantments you have, your energy. It can be hard but rewarding.
Then on the other hand a hood and scythe is like OMG very powerful to kids but heck, its my free faction.
But it’s a preview event, assassins and ritualists had some large changes.
Kruzing Low
only counters ive seen to the all dervish team has been mostly harmless, last pride, and err7
allience
i'm surprised i'm not seing any complaints about the dervish skills. during this weekend, many people ran the so called 'dervish way'. it created a huge amount of area dmg, easly removes hexes and conditions (contempltion of purity) and they are also imune to well of profane. after hearing so many people praise this build, i decided to try it also.
it was one of the lamest experiences i had since i bought guild wars. i can't believe you guys (anet) created a whole character class that is only required to litteraly follow a target and MINDLESSLY spam its whole skillbar. i feel like a stupid robot playing, it doesn't show any kind of skill. running this build makes winning pointless as i can just let my grandma spam 1-2-3-4-5 1-2-3-4-5 and nobody would notice the difference.
anet claims this game is about skill so what happened? first there's iway, then order of apostacy and now the mighty dervish... whoever came up with the dervish skills needs to be fired.
it was one of the lamest experiences i had since i bought guild wars. i can't believe you guys (anet) created a whole character class that is only required to litteraly follow a target and MINDLESSLY spam its whole skillbar. i feel like a stupid robot playing, it doesn't show any kind of skill. running this build makes winning pointless as i can just let my grandma spam 1-2-3-4-5 1-2-3-4-5 and nobody would notice the difference.
anet claims this game is about skill so what happened? first there's iway, then order of apostacy and now the mighty dervish... whoever came up with the dervish skills needs to be fired.
Raxxman
you're not seeing any complaints? try reading every other post in this forum...
Everyone is fairly aware that the Dervish is powerful.
I feel it's too powerful, a lot of others think the same, some don't. But this aint new
Everyone is fairly aware that the Dervish is powerful.
I feel it's too powerful, a lot of others think the same, some don't. But this aint new
Former Ruling
Yes, like....90% of the posts on the first page of this forum are complaint threads about Dervish Way.
lightblade
What Raxxman said is true, there were many complains about Dervish being too powerful. The truth is, it will only take 2 Dervish to take down 4 Warriors.
My solution:
- Lower base AL to 60
- Increase Mystism's effect to every 3 ranks
- Increase Dervish enchantments recharge by 2~3 seconds
My solution:
- Lower base AL to 60
- Increase Mystism's effect to every 3 ranks
- Increase Dervish enchantments recharge by 2~3 seconds
linh
Of course there will be some problems about balancing of 2 new proffessions. That is the purpose of this preview to help rebalance it.
But there is one bad thing that everyone is using it to farm Rating and Fame.
But there is one bad thing that everyone is using it to farm Rating and Fame.
Reks
Hot. Maybe a little bit too hot. In fact I just got burned by Balthazar's rage and Heart of Holy Flame. 
NinjaKai
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Of course there will be some problems about balancing of 2 new proffessions. That is the purpose of this preview to help rebalance it.
But there is one bad thing that everyone is using it to farm Rating and Fame. |
ubermancer
Dear Anet, please be sensible and do not merely listen to the people with the biggest mouths. Dervishes have many counters and are not gods, do not allow people unwilling or personally unable to impliment a counter to change the game.
Thank you.
Thank you.