Why don't you PvP?

Because my pussy hurts.

well i like PVP. i do AB, RA, TA...... i would like to go in HA, but when i go in oviously im a noob, because i have no rank. now with the title system its even worse... i mean, Tyrian protector or Treasure hunter will not impress anyone.... so i spend 1 hour finding a non rank group, and then we just get PWNED so bad i dont go back for anouther week

when i do find a relatevly good group, we get on Vent or TS and as soon as i use a skill that is not in the right order or something (bad klick? lag? ate an interrupt?) i get flamed as much as if i commited an unforgivable crime against humanity.

My guild is more of a PVE guild, ands when we occasionally decide to make a HA group, we end up waiting for PVPers to get online and notmally and up being only 3-4 ppl in a PUG with people i have mentioned in paragraph 2...

now, i just gave up and try to satisfy my PVP cravings in AB or TA, wich oviously wont give me any fame and rank... so its more my own pass time when im tired of PVE, rather then working towards a specific goal

so no HA for me untill my guild starts working more on it

I don't play the HA because I don't like sitting around for hours just trying to get into a group (8 fame FTW!!! ) and then when I do get in a group, if you lose your first battle, the party breaks up and then your back to sitting around agian trying to get into the next group.

I don't do the RA's because the maturity level there is quite low. If you kill someone, you're apt to be called (by the dead guy) "noob" and if that same guy kills you, guess what? He'll call you a noob!

I do play ABs, they could use some work (no opposing party blah blah blah) and sometimes the people you play with aren't that skilled, but there's very little of the elitist attitudes you run into in HA and very little (relatively speaking) of the childishness that goes on in RA. The 502 - 500 games are great, but the 500 - 23 games are no fun at all - no matter which side I'm on.

Scrubs shall rule the World!As long as nobody cheats....

Best way to start chewing that learning curve down in HA is to gather a group from your guild & friends - no fame elitism then. Í've seen so many guilds that don't know anything about PvP to turn into a very succesfuls guilds on the PvP side.

I don't have any friends who PvP.

I'm a strong supporter of RA arenas, something about having four characters come together seemlessly in to a team, they didn't choose, somehow restores my faith in human kind. Team arenas also focus well on building strong player bonds in what I believe is an important part of the game. However, I believe HA to be the biggest load of crock I've ever seen . HA is not pvp it's ava (army vs army), like watching two whales bump into each other until one of them falls over. Sure it's funny, but there is no reason behind it. Fame and Rank aren't very different either, they're just another way for little kids to say my sand pile is bigger than yours. I mean who honesty needs a deer head to pop up every time they type /fame.



Congrats to you VitisVinifera for that random Baldur's Gate reference I've been meaning to sneak one in for weeks... best rpg ever. YEAH!

Honestly I find all this bullshit. Maybe its the fact I am a PvPer, but going from PvE to PvP isn't that hard if you put some effort into it and getting better.

Because I'm a newb and would rather own poor AI all day then fight real people that own me cause I suck at this game.

I don't do it because I'm not comfortable trying to coordinate and work closely with people I JUST MET. Once my guild once again has enough members for GvG, I'll do that. That's fun, you're fighting alongside your little in-game 'family'. Random arenas are fun, you never really know what will happen.

But some of the people in team arenas, HA, etc. are NUTS. I swear, these people are either descended from Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan or Napoleon, and dream up strategies and tactics in their sleep, or they spend far more time on GW than I could ever hope to... and I'm unemployed, for the most part, so that's a lot. These are people I can't hope to compete with, and so, I don't.

Because I don't have to... except for the little faction I need.

I don't pvp much because I don't like fighting other people since it seems to bring out the worst in them sometimes, aka the assassin chasing my necro around in aspenwood

That's the biggest reason I don't PVP right there.

The attitudes suck. Sportsmanship is nonexistent. PVP is filled with elitist snobs who love nothing more than to beat someone with a cookie cutter build and then rub it in their face as much as possible, as if they'd actually somehow accomplished something of import. Of course these same people will quit a match the first time they die.

I'm decent at PVP when I try it (which was only during the Factions and Nightfall PVP previews). But I don't like the pressure. PVE is low-pressure, liesurely, do what you want at your own pace type of play. PVP is gogogo, have to have a certain build, gotta be better than everyone else, can't let your team down, and no matter how many opponents you roll over, you'll always always eventually hit someone that you cannot beat, who will then proceed to lord it over you as if they now win at life.

Add to this that PVP is inherently pointless. In PVE you get all sorts of loot and things, not to mention concrete objectives related to a (admittedly poor) storyline. In PVP, nothing is accumulated, nothing is gained, nothing is accomplished except being able to say you beat so-and-so. Great, you beat so-and-so, and you've now got, what? Bragging rights? From a computer game? Sad.

So yeah. All of the above means that PVP = waste of time.

True, you simply can't compete with a competetive child with add

I've done every type of PvP in the game. Not anymore. Too time consuming and not worth the effort. I don't want to spend time coordinating a team build and all that. When I'm at my computer, I want to play, not stand around talking. And when you're finally playing, it's usually boring as hell. How many boon prots can you dismantle and take down before it becomes a drag?

The only thing I still play now and again is RA, but after a while even the countdown timers at the start and end of every match get to me. I want to play, not stand around doing nothing.

In PvE, I can define my own challenges instead of battling boring FotM builds over and over again.

Because I'd rather have my own build than have to use a cookie-cutter to get a pvp match. And to be honest, if I want to pvp, then I would rather shoot someone in the face with a gun. And believe it or not the pvp community makes the counterstrike one look well-mannered and respectful.

I PvP when the guild asks me too, but mostly PvP turns into more of a hassle than fun - Mainly because of E-Drama.

Like one dude doesn't like a skill another dude decided to take and cusses in vent and starts an e-fight, or one dude doesnt like the tactics being called so Rages and gets everyone in a pissy mood...

Its tore apart far too many guilds and HA groups to even count.

I Mean...It'd be much better like this...If your there to have fun and goof off..Don't start raging and fighting in vent when bad stuff happens..Your goofing off, if you lose you know why...But if your serious about the match and want to win act like it...Theres a fine line between a rank 1000 guild and a rank 100 one...same in HA.

Another thing...E-Drama is just that...its just venting because of a loss or something, Don't take it to heart. Don't Rage because someone told you your skills suck, and Don't ignore someone just because you don't like something...Some of my best GW Friends fuss with from time to time...But at the end of the day I'm not going to rage the guild or put them on my ignore list. Its like a Husband and Wife..You can fight all day..But at night you should still sleep in the same bed..

I see PvP getting paintbrushed unfairly again.

The old sentiments of "PvPers are all elitists", "PvPers are all snobs", "PvPers are all tempermental 12 year olds with no lives whose only joy remains in killing digital avatars of other people". Ugh. With the exception of a small but vocal minority it's been my experience that most of the best PvPers in the game are decent, approachable people who hold good sportsmanship in high regard. Certainly there are assholes in PvP, though it was my experience when I was new to HA that the bulk of them happened to be on MY team. That aside, I got into an HA guild not through the people on my team, but through the enemy's. I guess this notion is lost on a lot of people, but if you want to get recruited chances are the people killing you will be your recruiters. Want to get on the winning team? Say gg. Thank them for the match. Talk to them a little. Most importantly, show them your worth in battle.

This is not to say that HA and GvG isn't stressful and demanding, because it is. Before you expect to do well in these areas, you have to know a few things. You have to know the basics of the metagame for these areas. You've got to know your builds and play them well. You've got to know that your enemy will make no exceptions or accomodations when it comes to winning. This means playing the build that you've been assigned, with the right skills, the right stats, the right weapons and the right armor. It means time and dedication. You've got to be serious about playing in these areas or you might as well consider winning a bonus. For the most part, tension and anger doesn't come from losing but from being outplayed. If your enemy sucks sufficiently, anyone can win, but you've got to play WELL to take down top teams and guilds. Before condemning PvP, ask yourself if you REALLY are inclined to do what you have to join in and do well. If not, then you really don't have the right.

Is this attitude any better than the one you claim to despise? The attitudes suck indeed.

All I can say in conclusion is that I respect the choices of all players in this game be they rabid PvPers or rabid PvEers. You like what you like. But before you condemn PvP because of perceived elitism of the PvPers, consider that maybe YOU are the one who doesn't have the time, inclination, or attitude to play that aspect of the game. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but if you don't like PvP why not (respectfully) keep your disparaging comments to yourself?

-Jessyi

I have tried PvP a couple of times. In fact, got all the way to HA and then just lost my patience. RA, TA etc... great fun But sitting around waiting for a team to accept a 'noob' playing (I don't hide it either) is just SUCH a waste of time. I run GW.EXE in order to have fun and run around and not have to wait on some team to decide to 'give me a chance'. If I wanted to sit around doing nothing for an hour, I'd catch a plane to somewhere.

However, I'm not sure what the demographics of the previous posters are, however, I play on the European servers, and only once in all my HA time have I had a truly negative experience where the people call each other names and go off like the end of the world has come when someone dies. So kudo's to that (or maybe I'm just lucky).

I hit random arenas and aspenwood now and again, and sometimes the 12v12 but thats it.

Everytime i try to go to HA i can never find a group, and when i do they ask for a build that i have most of the skills unlocked for but not all, then the usual 20 minute faff about occours whilst people discuss a build, then i get bored and leave (Because by then ive spent half an hour in HA before ive even DONE anything). im not in a GVG guild so thats that.

I cant be bothered with all the orginasation it takes because of the absence of a party matching system, thats why i like the random or small team games(12v12).

First, I don't think there is a significant difference between people being jerks in Pve and PvP. I've been in countless PvE groups on missions that were filled with absolute jerks. There are also jerks in PvP, no doubt, but sadly they're everywhere regardless of what you play. That said I've also met a lot of nice people in both pvp and pve, the jerks just stand out as they can piss you off so much.

There is definately a learning curve to PvP, but its simply a matter of whether you want to spend a little time to get up to speed. Its not for everyone. For any of you who may have played magic the gathering, the difference between Pve and PvP is like the difference between casually playing magic with friends at home and going to tournaments. Both can be great, but they are very different and it takes a little time to adjust.

RA is a good place for you to begin learning and getting comfortable with individual builds and basic strategic considerations. The new pre-builds are nice since they give a reasonable sample of builds that are commonly used in competative pvp. Go in thinking of it as a learning experience, ignore the jerks and just accept that you might take a beating for a little bit until you get comfortable. Shut off local chat if needs be.

Beyond RA I think the best way to play the more orgnaized aspects of PvP is to be in a guild with people you like who are also interested in developing. I used to be a huge fan of PvE, but imho GvG is the best part of this game. The challenges presented there exceed anything you'll ever face in PvE, and when you have success its also far more enjoyable. But for me, having people who you enjoy playing with and who will be there to help you along is the lightyears better than trying to find PUGs in HA. If you want to improve being in a good guild is the best way to do it.

As to stinginess on skill selection, it is unfortunately required. Good builds are tightly designed to preform a specific task and each skill on every bar is important. Tinkering with a skill here and there can often be the difference between wins and losses. But this fine-tunedness doesn't allow for a lot of freedom of choice sometimes. You can't just say, "hey lets GvG, grab whatever. I'll bring my MM you grab your wammo", and hope to have any success. That said e-drama sucks. Hopefully if the people you play with are decent thats not going to be a big deal. If someone starts hating you because you chose to run Axe Rake over Bulls Strike then thats a problem with that person and not PvP.

First, I don't think there is a significant difference between people being jerks in Pve and PvP. I've been in countless PvE groups on missions that were filled with absolute jerks. There are also jerks in PvP, no doubt, but sadly they're everywhere regardless of what you play. That said I've also met a lot of nice people in both pvp and pve, the jerks just stand out as they can piss you off so much.

There is definately a learning curve to PvP, but its simply a matter of whether you want to spend a little time to get up to speed. Its not for everyone. For any of you who may have played magic the gathering, the difference between Pve and PvP is like the difference between casually playing magic with friends at home and going to tournaments. Both can be great, but they are very different and it takes a little time to adjust.

RA is a good place for you to begin learning and getting comfortable with individual builds and basic strategic considerations. The new pre-builds are nice since they give a reasonable sample of builds that are commonly used in competative pvp. Go in thinking of it as a learning experience, ignore the jerks and just accept that you might take a beating for a little bit until you get comfortable. Shut off local chat if needs be.

Beyond RA I think the best way to play the more orgnaized aspects of PvP is to be in a guild with people you like who are also interested in developing. I used to be a huge fan of PvE, but imho GvG is the best part of this game. The challenges presented there exceed anything you'll ever face in PvE, and when you have success its also far more enjoyable. But for me, having people who you enjoy playing with and who will be there to help you along is the lightyears better than trying to find PUGs in HA. If you want to improve being in a good guild is the best way to do it.

As to stinginess on skill selection, it is unfortunately required. Good builds are tightly designed to preform a specific task and each skill on every bar is important. Tinkering with a skill here and there can often be the difference between wins and losses. But this fine-tunedness doesn't allow for a lot of freedom of choice sometimes. You can't just say, "hey lets GvG, grab whatever. I'll bring my MM you grab your wammo", and hope to have any success. That said e-drama sucks. Hopefully if the people you play with are decent thats not going to be a big deal. If someone starts hating you because you chose to run Axe Rake over Bulls Strike then thats a problem with that person and not PvP.

there are more jerks in pvp for sure! alot more!
there are many more frindly and good players in PVE, at least monsters dont start insulting you after they killed you like its their first time winning a match!
its very rare that a pve team fall apart after a fail, they just kick jerk(if there is any) and try again...
but in PVP teams people start leaving after first fail, they even leave before you completly fail!

ah and pls stop this BS! who says PVP needs practise? have u ever tried it? this pvper guys think they r doing a great job using someone elses builds? yeah if u using your own special build u need practise! but for other things...
for example u think doing touch ranger needs practise? just choose a target and tap 1 & 2 on your keyboard as fast as you can!
u think iway needs practise? all players in an iway team just spamming their skill bar!
u think spiking needs practise? use a premade spiking build and TS/Vent, u dont need anything else!
a good PVp monk really needs practise or any other player who has an individual build but really, why u think some builds get popular? cuz they dont need practise! FAME FARMING!

I would like to PvP, but it takes me at least 2 minutes to load, so I don't do that. It is as simple as that.
I don't mind if players are nasty to each other. I feel perfectly fine playing with only Guild chat on, and team chat off. I play for fun, not for the win.

I tried PvP in the early days and just didnt like it. I have had no desire to try it again since then - except for Nightfall weekend to see the characters and scenery and I couldnt do that due to no free char slot.

It just has no attraction for me. I have looked at alternative games to this and if they are PvP based I reject them straight away.

I used to PVP all the time now I just PVE. It just seemed no matter win or lose there was always someone angry and after a while it just got on my nerves. Its my problem though nothing wrong with PVP. I love GVG though cause my guildies and I are all very kickback peeps so no one gets bent win or lose it just stays fun.

enjoy playing GW to be good, 99% of the pvp population plays to cheat. They would rather play iway, vim, dual smite, choking gas, touch rangers, and all this other trash instead of playing builds that reflect being good and having skill.

Not true. Ask any PvP'er. There are assholes, but sportsmanship is there, the GG at the end of the match is the easiest example I can find to disprove that.

There are many people who do take happiness from beating some one. It is a competitive game and winning is still winning on a basketball court or a online game. To adress the 'Cookie Cutter Builds' they are popular for a reason, they work. Tried and true builds and tactics are always going to be popular. There are no copy-wrights in guild wars and using something that is inferrior, as a build, doesn't help you, but puts you at a disadvantage. If you have all the tools in the world to get your task done there is no need to limit yourself to 5 certain tools that no one else uses.

You are definatly playing with the wrong people and stereyo-typing the PvP community as a bunch of rage-quitting, impatient, morons. This is definatly not true. Maybe you are bassing your statements on RA ragequitters, but in high end PvP, Gvg for instance, no one will quit out after dying once.

This is never true in PvP. All builds allow for some amount of experimentation or modification.

Some people do feel that way, but they should learn to accept their mistakes and learn from them. If you do have that drive for PvP I suggest you learn to let go of your mistakes and learn from them.

There will always be someone who can beat you. If you can find a team that never loses give me a pm and tell me their names because I would like to play with them. In GvG Evil does lose, they are a great team but no one is undefeatable. In HA even iA can lose to a good EoE bomb that knows what to do. One of the things about guildwars is you have 8 skills on your bar, chosen by you, and used how you want to use them.

Arena net has put in a lot of incentives to PvP. HA has sigils and cest drops which you can sell. It also has rank which does display your experence in HA, although it cannot determine player skill. The emotes are pretty cool though I have to say. GvG has the ladder, being distinguished as a guild who competed you see your rating on the ladder compared to everyone in the world. The gold and silver capes are pretty cool for High-end gvG, and not to mention the money you can win in the GWWC's. My favorite reward is recognition from PvPing. If your team/guild wins halls everyone sees it. Nothing in PvE can come close to that.

That just makes me lol.

"rank 3+ only" or "rank 5+ only" I got put off by the whole need-rank-to-get-in-a-group-to-get-rank-to-get-in-group nasty circle and mostly gave up trying on it.

Also it's not terribly friendly. The majority of public matches (which is where post people will start off) the start is usually the same: people turn up, nobody says anything typically... leading to an already unteamlike feeling... and rarely anyone does after that, unless they're going to whine and complain. That or the people who drop soon as anything doesn't go right.

Sure the PvE side has its problems too, but it is more friendly and understandable especially for newcomers (more people are likely to draw on the map for example, or ping, or type something in what to do/where to go) etc.

I can see this thread going to come down with flame-itis though, with generalising comments like "99% of pvp'ers aim to cheat" tsk tsk...


edit: would like to add I come from a mostly PvP online gaming background and had also played competitively in ladders etc. e.g. UT, Freespace, Tribes.

Well how pessimistic. Now I completely understand the attitude to PvP for some ppl, unwilling to invest time to learn, scared of getting massacred, bumped into one jerk too many. I was like that in the early days.

But the point is this, there are one or two things that can easily happen which will significantly speed you on your way.

The easiest thing is if you play some TA or HA (I recommend TA for less pressure), eventually (it wont take very long) you will prolly bump into a few ppl that will be willing to teach you. In TA especially, you can often get invited onto TS or vent and some ppl will tell you what to do as the matches go on (In HA nobody will really be able to guide u, it's just a mass of shouting and confusion most of the time), if you are half good you can often get a few wins (10 is a piece of cake most of the time), get added to freinds list. If they have a few friends also your PvP life will open up from there.

I do a lot of TA and I know quite a lot of the good players in there so now getting a group is easy, but when I was starting these were the same nice ppl who were very helpful so I haven't encountered much elitism (unlike HA).
Hell if any of u want to try some TA just let me know I'll be happy to give u some help in there.

You guys should just try it, u never know, u might even like it.

Your posts make me sad. PvP is the true essence of this game. It's really bothers me you don't PvP at GW. Especially when GW is designed as a CORPG (COmpetitive Online RPG).
I will try to give you some advices (I'm not an ultra skilled PvPer, but...)

* Before PvP
- Don"t go in lower arenas. They are filled with twinkers and exploiters. They have no skill, they only brought max equipement/Elite skill, you generally can't compete.
-Finish the game before PvP. Unlock every skill you can for your double profession (if you are a W/Mo, unlock every skill for W and Mo). You will have a view of what you can do.
-Learn the theory. Go to guildwiki, and learn every skill you can face. It's a long work you won't do in one week, but it's necessary. Not knowing what you're facing is the shortest way to defeat. Focus especially on hexes that can hit you. Most hexes effects can be avoided simply by not doing the action that triggers them.
-Play the excellent PvP premades of Esoteric Warriors. They are good. No, your PVE build is not. They. Are. Good. You will learn a lot faster with them. After having played extensively with them, try your own builds. You'll see that coming up with an efficient one by your own is really difficult.
-Do the Zaishen Challenges. And after that the Elite Zaishen. They are "hard" (for a newbie), but don't try to PvP if you're not even able to beat them. Find some friends to think of a build to beat them.

*For team play: (anything outside RA)
-Get a Guild. That's really serious, if you plan to PvP in 8v8. A guild will give you friends for PvP. That's not easy I know, to find a correct guild. But that's necessary. After that, test your skills and your builds in Scrimmage battle. Select what's working, and what's not working. Play for fun in Scrimmage battles.
- Think of Team Builds, not Individual builds. Each guy must have a role, and do it well.

*In game (During PvP), some advices.
- Positionning and Kiting. They are the most important skills you'll have to bring with you in arenas. Not your eight skill, your own skills. A ranger interrupts you? Hide behind a rock. This f*cking monk runs everywhere? Find a way to run faster than him, or to slow him. You're a ranger and want every arrow to hit? Fight on a higher ground. Always have a line of view on your target. Your target flee? Beware. Stay in your monk healing radius. You could face serious problems.
Being static is the best way to loose.
- Concentration. You need to concentrate. To be aware of what is going on. Tune your interface to have the important thing directly available to your eyes.
1) PArty members status. Watch it carefully. Rez your teamate as soon as he dies. You can expect to win a 4v4 battle. But not a 3v4 one.
2) Your status screen. It's really important. Watch for the hexes that can hit you. Backfire, Diversion, or Spiteful Spirit can ruin you if you're not aware. Keep a look on your enchants. Are they still active? Recast them if you can. If you got disenchanted, find the disenchanter.
3) The Minimap. Where are you? Where is your monk? Is there an overextended opponent outside of healing range you could pound without problem?
- Kindness. DOn't be rude. Remember these insults that made you give up PvP? Don't repeat others' rudeness. Participate to keep the PvP community in a "sportsmanship" atmosphere. When you loose, try to understand why. What did you do? What didn't you do? Yes, the monk did not heal you and you lose. You're upset. But why didn't heal you? Did you see what was going on for him? Was he heavily hexed (little purple triangle)? The opposite team had two hammer warriors? Maybe he was KD, and unable to help you. Maybe you had on your face an hex you didn't see coming. Maybe, for example, you were in Frenzy, trying to heal yourself with Healing Signet, and then an Orb stroke you. Before insulting an opponent or an ally, understand why you lose, and how you could have avoided that.

Hope it will help those who wants to PvP.

have you ever lost a match? i dont think so.
otherwise u would see the true sportmanship between PVPers things like:
- ^#%$ing noob it was all your fault *leave*
-that ele is a mother&^%#&* n00b
-#%^$ ^&&% $$%^^ $%^ monk!

you call that sportmanship?


this means all PVPers are wrong persons!
i played PVP alot and it only happend to me once that people stay in party after they failed!



OMG this one is too much!
*you join a team*
you: hi
leader: are u shock warrior?
you: no im experincing a new build!
leader: n00b
*kick*

yeah thats the true pvp!


learn from them????
its easy to test! go HA, first person u see that looking for an spiking team, whisp him and ask about an spiking build!
im sure u will get your answer!

hmm.... tell me something, have you ever pvped with people you dont know? (people who arent in your guild i mean)
cuz im sure u never done it before!

Well, QFT. There's no place you'll hear the word 'noob' more often (from the guy who ragequits when the first teammate dies), or a greater concentration of really shitty players with really high opinion of themselves.

That, said, that's hardly a reason not to PvP, is it?

What annoys me about GW PvP is that your personal skill is like 10% of whether you win or not, 25% is your personal build, and 65% is the composition and skill of the rest of the team.
There are no star players in GW. Take War Machines best player, give him a flashbot ele, then take a complete newbie and give him a five minute course on how to play a touch ranger, and the newbie will beat the War Machine guy.

Because an ele is paper bag, and a touch ranger is scissors.

I play PvP in fps's like Americas Army: Online, Counterstrike and Quake, because there personal skill is 90% - and I like that. I'm a star player. I like the fact that I can take on three enemies in AA:O and have a better than even chance of beating them, simply because I'm fast and skilled. In GW, if you face three enemies, you're screwed (unless they all happen to be paper bag, and you're a scissor, then THEY'RE screwed).

I can see that people who loved Magic: The Gathering like GW PvP, because that too was 90% deck and luck of the draw, and very little depended on how you played your cards.

Me, I prefer FPS style PvP, where personal skill is key.

Nice post. Doesnt change anything in my mind, but....

Is it really?

Quite possibly thats true, although I have never heard it called that exactly. The thing is that if PvP was ever dropped completely GW would probably have a very short future. The same is if they ever dropped PvE completely.

We live off and for each other so people saying we ought to play one or the other gametype is showing lack of knowledge & understanding.

1) I have a girlfriend.... and u know, she just wouldnt understand the point:
"Im sorry dear, i cannot go out with u on saturday, its somethinn important, we have a tournament match,.....what?, no dear, im not in any football team, its in the internet, guild wars, u know......, yeah, that is that "stupid-video-game-only-suitable-for-children-like-every-video-game". No dear, im not old enough for it....".

2)Ive suffer lot of years of internet organised gaming (Day of defeat) and its everywhere the same, theres the pr0 ones (0mFg u r s00 n00b, 1m 1337) and the rest, and its not easy too find the exact balance between a little of competitivity and good feeling. (Cause i cannot stand the pr0 ones, but i need some sort of discipline, traininn and compromise).

3)Im a monk, a healer, i like it the way it is, and i wont change to prot. Let me show u how it works instead of kickinn me.... i hate when some ***** (Insert random blame there) ask me for my skill bar after inviting me, and then say, only pr0t with boon monk noob, and kick me. But i love when afterwards i win them with that noob skill bar...

4)I hate warriors, really, i hate them... it could sound typical... but i cant do nothinn about it. I hate people that thinks that they are so pr0 cause they are capable of playinn at "top level" with warriors...., my grandmother can do that. With her eyes close and dancing the hookey-pockey....

Just my view .

I PvP but I can tell you what puts people off.

Elitism and cookie cutter builds, that is all.

firstly this happens in RA alot.
mainly because people have lots of rage to displace and are usually really arogant.
but in high lvls of pvp, gvg for example about rank 500 upwards i have yet to find a single arsehole, we all really nice people.


i have to say that you are stertotyping the whole PvP aspect of the game based on RA and AB.
there are alot of jerks in this area because of its asscebilty and there are also alot of rage quiiters due to the huge ammount of PUGS in AB.
they don't give a monkeys a*** if they rage in a pug.
after all its a pug no one knows them.





mm k
this one is slightly diffrent to the others
all the team leader wants is a build he can rely on when the going gets tough.
in a situation like HA, experimention during matches isn't really called for.
there are things on the line in battle which is more than if you lose.
really this is the whole idea of higher lvl pvp.
in RA you can't plan/plan use of tatics.
also in 8v8 situations its more than just the single persons build, its the sum of all the parts that makes the diffrance.
8 on 8,
you team is like one big skill bar. so not taking a shock war means the build doesn't interlock properly.
it qould like having a necro inflicting weakness and instead of a ele using stoneing to knockdown the target the ele instead uses flare.
the end result?
not the dessired effect.
so really running the build that the team leader wants is about making the build work and working as a team.
its a team game and if one team member is not surplying the right goods, the team have every right to kick him.
aas i said.
exprimention,
Evil/wm don't just go to gvg/hoh running a untested build.
it has to be tested first.
do you think that WM just thought "mmm shadow form" lets run it.
no they didn't
it went through trials and unrated gvgs first.




otherwise u would see the true sportmanship between PVPers things like:
- ^#%$ing noob it was all your fault *leave*
-that ele is a mother&^%#&* n00b
-#%^$ ^&&% $$%^^ $%^ monk!

you call that sportmanship?
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firstly this happens in RA alot.
mainly because people have lots of rage to displace and are usually really arogant.
but in high lvls of pvp, gvg for example about rank 500 upwards i have yet to find a single arsehole, we all really nice people.


i have to say that you are stertotyping the whole PvP aspect of the game based on RA and AB.
there are alot of jerks in this area because of its asscebilty and there are also alot of rage quiiters due to the huge ammount of PUGS in AB.
they don't give a monkeys a*** if they rage in a pug.
after all its a pug no one knows them.





the point of the mater is
its not a case of whispering them and asking.
when you fight pay attention to what skills they are using (which you should be doing anyways), find a combonation of skills that interests you.
test them with a few friends(isle of the nameless)(thats what its there for).
watch observer,
there again it isn't just for deccoration.
watch the teams and there tactics.
see what skills work with others and what don't.
at the end of day its a simple case of learning things from others and applying these to yourself, putting these ideas into practise and then learning, and in time making you own builds.
you don't need to be War machine to think up you own builds.


and for the record i PvP with complete strangers regualrly,
but this is the case pvping with friends is much more fun and easyier.

-edit prob my longest post ever
GG me

I like the casual play of PvE. There’s little to no pressure and I can play at my own pace. Sometimes you’ll get into PuG with a screaming, whiney brat, but that’s the exception. I’ve dabbled in Random Arenas, only to be screamed at and be called noob when the entire party dies….no matter whose fault it was, if there was any fault at all. Sometimes the other guys are just better than you.

When I’ve gone to HA, it seems like you’re required to show your rank and fill out a 10 page application before you’re allowed to join a party. That said, I’ve never played a single match in HA. These guys are taking the game much more seriously than I do. I’m a casual player that just wants to enjoy the game. Obviously HA is not the place for me. That’s doesn’t mean I’m not competitive. In an FPS (like UT or Half-Life), I’ll frag all your butts. And in real life, I HATE to lose. But I play GW to get away from real life.

Firstly: everything i said is about HA i never do AB, and i have no problem with RA (its random, u cant complain about a random thing )
i dont know about rank 500, we r talking about a player who is going to start PVP and his 1 day is bad enough to make him give up! he will never get to rank 500!
(well they couldnt go rank 500 if they were acting like that )

i have to say since you are in a rank 500 guild, you hve no idea what im talking about! if u wanna understand me, go HA without your guild and pretend that you r an unranked player! (it will be your first and last time i bet, just like everyone else who tries to it)

Just doesn't appeal to me one little bit, stick a Rocket Launcher or a Minigun in and I'd be up for it as I prefer FPS type games against other players.

Also I cant be doing with all the elitest crap and rank rubbish mentioned earlier.