Livingston's Guide to becoming a Grandmaster Canthan Cartographer! (No Map Checks)
Miss Puddles
Azure Eyes
It seems to me that all the maps are down in Livingstons post. Is this just a personal problem or have they been removed?
Spirit Of Azrael
Yeah, I cant see em either
Mournblade
They're working fine for me at the moment...
Livingston
Congratulations to Shantel Span and Miss Puddles.
Thanks Tiny. ^_^
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Thanks Tiny. ^_^
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Its up to you. Go through the trouble of getting into the Quarry or go through the trouble of finding absolutely every other spot you can possibly get on the map, or at least nearly every one.
Quote: Originally Posted by RoadKill97 I agree with you that Shiro banishes the weakest, but while health isn't the only factor on being the weakest, it still matters. Which is why I recommend to try getting banished by changing the health before buying any extra armor for banishment only, because taking off +hp gear is free, but buying armor and runes isn't. Yeah, I'm a cheapskate. I have yet to see failure with the health solution when the difference between the players is around 150 hp or more, but maybe I've been lucky.
Anyway, what kind of tests did you do? Something with different ALs and health points? Any other factors? I agree. It doesn't hurt to try taking off +HP items if you have someone who can go in with you. However, as I said my solution is the only one that I have seen work without fail.
I haven't done any formal tests so to speak, but since posting the offer on this thread, I have helped 6 different people get banished by Shiro. 3 of them had already taken my advice and got the armor. They were banished immediately and the only problem they had was figuring out exactly where they had to explore, and a couple of ones that forgot that they needed to change back into normal armor so they wouldn't get torched by the spirits.
The other 3 didn't have the armor to start with, but ended up having to get it to accomplish it in the end. I was using my fully speced warrior with 15K armor, no negative HP runes, and wielding +HP items to give myself a larger buffer between them. I can't remember the exact numbers as I wasn't doing formal tests (though I may do so in the future), but all 3 were more than 150 HP below me. One was a Warrior, one was a Ranger, and one was a Ritualist. The first two didn't surprise me as they are stronger classes (physically), but I couldn't make sense of the Ritualist, because I thought that Shiro would always banish a frail spell caster before a beefed up warrior. We tried everything we could think of to make them "weaker," even having them go in with no armor at all. It didn't matter. But as soon as they got the armor, they were banished immediately.
I will add a bit about trying a couple different things first, but really considering how much money is involved in some of the other titles, I don't really think people will have a problem with spending 500 (without helm)-625g to clear the area without having to muck around.
I may fully test this though if I can find the time.
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It doesn't take long to map Cantha... alright, let's say "the casual player" if that's better. About the Major Runes, they don't make much difference compared to the health solution so wouldn't recommend them without testing. I'm saying this as if someone would ask an advice from me how to get banished.|
Originally Posted by Azure Eyes
It seems to me that all the maps are down in Livingstons post. Is this just a personal problem or have they been removed?
The server was probably down for a bit. It happens to them all. Should be right now.
Livingston
Lady Lozza
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You will need to explore most of the competitive missions, but it may be possible to skip Quarry if you hit nearly every other spot possible. I'm sure that since getting my 100% that I have cleared enough new spots to have .4-.5%, which is about how much you get from the Quarry. If you have the monastery overlook, which all current cartographers should have now, as it was just reopened this weekend, then you definitely don't have to have the Quarry. |
Its up to you. Go through the trouble of getting into the Quarry or go through the trouble of finding absolutely every other spot you can possibly get on the map, or at least nearly every one. I'll see how I'm doing by the end of the week, but I'm 97.4% atm and I've done the edge walking on all but 2 maps. I know I'm missing a piece up on Raisu but it is only a small bit. FYI, I only got 0.6% from the Monastry Overlook. I'm sure I got 0.8% with my ritualist upon start up, but I walked it pretty thoroughly :S
Livingston
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I'll see how I'm doing by the end of the week, but I'm 97.4% atm and I've done the edge walking on all but 2 maps. I know I'm missing a piece up on Raisu but it is only a small bit. FYI, I only got 0.6% from the Monastry Overlook. I'm sure I got 0.8% with my ritualist upon start up, but I walked it pretty thoroughly :S
I imagine that's because with your Ritualist you would have also uncovered a bit of the areas around the overlook, giving you a bit more %, where as with the character that went back and got it, you would have already uncovered a bit of the monestary areas from the outside. That could easily make the difference of .2%
Livingston
RoadKill97
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I will add a bit about trying a couple different things first, but really considering how much money is involved in some of the other titles, I don't really think people will have a problem with spending 500 (without helm)-625g to clear the area without having to muck around.
Not all professions have Runes that cost 100g. The cheapest Monk Runes were at ~3.2k when I checked earlier today. Buy a few of those and you're broke if you're a new player. Since Grandmaster Cartographer is not a money title, we should try to avoid any extra costs if possible. This is more about principles than money.
Livingston
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Originally Posted by RoadKill97
Not all professions have Runes that cost 100g. The cheapest Monk Runes were at ~3.2k when I checked earlier today. Buy a few of those and you're broke if you're a new player. Since Grandmaster Cartographer is not a money title, we should try to avoid any extra costs if possible. This is more about principles than money.
If you're a new player you "shouldn't" be at Shiro trying to get banished. However, I wouldn't want to pay 12-15k either for it, but I imagine for monks the major runes would work just as well, and they are 100g.
It's fine if you don't want to do something on principle, more power to you, but my guide is based on what works, and I've yet to see a better, consistent method. Give me one and I'll be more than happy to put it up. Livingston
RoadKill97
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You need to post your maps to this thread, as stated in the OP.|
It's fine if you don't want to do something on principle, more power to you, but my guide is based on what works, and I've yet to see a better, consistent method. Give me one and I'll be more than happy to put it up.
By all means I'm not saying your solution is bad and should be replaced. What I want to see is an altenative methods so the player has a choice. "The health solution works most of the time, but not always... blah blah blah... how to do it... blah blah blah." "The Livingston's solution is guaranteed to work, but you'll have to buy some stuff for it... blah blah blah... how to do it... blah blah blah." And so on.
boxterduke
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How much of the map is in the competitive missions? I got about.3-.4 out of Fort Aspenwood (total (including) both sides) but haven't manage Jade Quarry yet.
Jade Quarry is about .6%
gabrial heart
I honestly don't think Sanctum is that big of a deal. You can practically spend an hour there by avoiding shiro if you go in with one guildy or friend and get bashed countless times over. I don't think anyone should have to buy armor, just grab a buddy and go in. Sooner or later you'll get banished. Miss Puddles and I got banished around 10 times just the 2 of us. Her ranger and my monk although as a monk i got more of the banishment, she still managed to get her share enough for GMC.
Livingston
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By all means I'm not saying your solution is bad and should be replaced. What I want to see is an altenative methods so the player has a choice.
"The health solution works most of the time, but not always... blah blah blah... how to do it... blah blah blah." "The Livingston's solution is guaranteed to work, but you'll have to buy some stuff for it... blah blah blah... how to do it... blah blah blah." And so on. I did say the following a few posts up: "I will add a bit about trying a couple different things first" I hadn't done so yet, as I didn't have time to do so, and because I wanted to see the result of our conversation first, in case a better way did come up, in which case I would have had to change it again. As of now I have updated the guide and I believe all viable options have now been covered, including the new one from gabrial heart. As always, let me know if there is anything else I can do to improve the guide, and thank you for your suggestions. Livingston
Tirzan
Following Livingston guide i explored again Shing Jea Island and gained 0,3% reaching 99,5%. here's the link to my map, pls help me find the rest:
http://img109.imageshack.us/img_view...g=map18il3.jpg Mesti Arcanus
Thanks for the guide & maps (the ones on post 2 were especially handy for comparisons, since they weren't nasty sized files that ate my system resources).
Kakumei
I was 95.1 before I found this guide, now I'm 99.6. I'm sure I'll find that last .4 soon, but I just wanted to say thank you so much for this guide.
Titan Chrae
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How much of the map is in the competitive missions? I got about.3-.4 out of Fort Aspenwood (total (including) both sides) but haven't manage Jade Quarry yet.
Jade is about 0.5% - 0.6% so total for both is around 1%.
Don't forget the other challenge missions either.
Kakumei Many many many thanks to this thread and all who contributed to it. Sureshot Kenny
Thanks to Livingston and this thread, I now have 100% and the GMC title for Cantha. Now to work on Tyria (my main char is Canthan). Is there a thread as good as this one for Tyria?
PS: How do you get the green name and title window for the pics? TechnoSword
Wahoo I got 100% and I did so with help from your guide!
SnipiousMax  Thanks everyone! <edit> The funniest thing, is that the last .2% were in areas I SWORE I didn't need to edge. Sunyi
Greetings!
Maybe my question was already answered, sorry for that. In the first post of this thread there is a link to the 100% uncovered Canthan map. There is a small island just a bit SW of the Monastery. Part of the island is uncovered. My question is: how you did this? There is no way I can reach that island. Thanks. klorbonde
Speak to the the guard of the monestary arena in monestary, and say you would like to go there.. BTW: you cant enter any batle with a lvl higher than 10 which i guess you have. But you can uncover the enter area, which i think i abount 0,2-0,3% or somthin like that.. Gl with it
Sunyi
It gave me 0,3% so thank you very much.
I couldn't enter the arena itself though because I am above 10th level. Does the PvP arena count towards the 100%?
Livingston
Congratulations to Mesti Arcanus, Sureshot Kenny, TechnoSword, Kakumei, and SnipiousMax.
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And remember, if you really want to thank me, rate the thread. ^_^ Quote: It gave me 0,3% so thank you very much.
I couldn't enter the arena itself though because I am above 10th level. Does the PvP arena count towards the 100%? It does count, but you don't need to enter the battle area to get 100% you have a lot leave way. Livingston Tay123
Hi,
I am at 97.1% and I have been checking back and forth from your pictures but havent been able to find any other spots! I am also missing the Jade Querry on both sides... If I upload my map pictures can you still be able to help me out? Thanx alot
Raeven 
RossMM
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PS: How do you get the green name and title window for the pics?
Go into an outpost, and press 'F'. It's the default key-binding to select yourself.
Avin Astrov
does Undercity count towards the title?
it doesnt reveal anymore. Asrial
Livingston, how active are you with this thread?
Meaning.. are you available to update your original post with better maps when presented with them? [EDIT: Also, are you constantly updating YOUR map when you come across areas that you haven't uncovered? If so, can you post a screenshot of your unzoomed map?]
Livingston
Congrats Raeven, and nice pic.
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Don't forget to vote for the thread. Quote: I am at 97.1% and I have been checking back and forth from your pictures but havent been able to find any other spots! I am also missing the Jade Querry on both sides... If I upload my map pictures can you still be able to help me out? Thanx alot |
I don't have time to check maps currently, but Leighwyn or someone else may be able to.
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it doesnt reveal anymore. No it doesn't.
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I've never actually used the difference method myself. To line the maps up do you just wait for the clouds to get near the same and then take a heap of rapid screenshots to get the one that lines up exactly or what?|
Originally Posted by Asrial
Livingston, how active are you with this thread?
Meaning.. are you available to update your original post with better maps when presented with them? [EDIT: Also, are you constantly updating YOUR map when you come across areas that you haven't uncovered? If so, can you post a screenshot of your unzoomed map?] The last post I made was only 7 days ago, and the OP was last updated 4 days ago, and I have posted on every page since the thread started 2 months ago... I check this thread every day, though I don't always have the time to respond. At the moment I am working on two other guides in the Elonian section, and trying to actually get some play time in on Nightfall. So yes I can update the OP and yes I will post better maps if you send me new ones and show me what they have that the old ones don't. Yes I have been updating my own map, though I haven't posted the updates here, and I didn't want to get the Eredon exploit. And yes I can post the updated one zoomed out. Though I will tell you that most people say the difference method doesn't work as well with Cantha as it does with Tyria and now Elona. But some people don't seem to have a problem with it. Here are the links to the maps: 1024 x 768 1280 x 1024 1600 x 1200 Even if, for whatever reason, I become inactive, you can always PM here on the board and I will make whatever updates are needed, provided I have the time to do so. Livingston Asrial
Thanks Livingston
I use the difference method but I use it in a program that allows me to switch back and forth fast enough that, even in Cantha, I can catch flickering (as long as the clouds are aligned). So let me ask you this question then.... If you keep your map updated, how come you don't replace the linked maps with yours? There's missing areas in the linked maps. BTW, the Eredon exploit is just getting your henchmen inside the town (while outside it) and using Recall to get past the warp zone.. right? When you get into the town under this method, does the gate to the special area disappear? ..and I was toying with the idea of just joining the alliance and getting in that way
Asrial
Our maps are pretty similar. There's a couple of spots I want to investigate further, but I have to head out to work so that'll be later tonight.
However, I did spot this immediately... Kaineng: "2-3. Make sure to hug the edges of the island as closely as possible - you can uncover some spots in the water that show as a "vertical line" glitch on the world map the way west edge of Dunes of Despair mission in Tyria does. The "U" map and zoomed-in overview map don't show this line." This is the area west of the Brotherhood 'base'. When you uncover it, it shows up as a vertical line when unzoomed. You haven't uncovered that spot yet.
Livingston
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I use the difference method but I use it in a program that allows me to switch back and forth fast enough that, even in Cantha, I can catch flickering (as long as the clouds are aligned). |
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If you keep your map updated, how come you don't replace the linked maps with yours?
There's missing areas in the linked maps. As funny or slack as it may sound, I haven't actually looked at that map much since I got the title myself. Leighwyn's map was the most cleared one that I had access to when I made this thread, and I wasn't sure how much more he had cleared than I did, but since I hadn't cleared much more at that point than what I had cleared to get the title, I just assumed it was more clear than mine. Of course since I had then started to clear more, I did think there was a possibility that I had more than Leighwyn at some point, but I hadn't had the time to check. At one point Roadkill did a comparison between there maps and found a couple spots that Leighwyn was missing on his, and I was waiting for Leighwyn to get them and update the map, but he didn't seem to want to. I then tried to get Roadkill to send me his/her (sorry name's to ambiguous ;p) map, but the response I got was there was no point as Leighwyn was only a couple of points off. I also tried to get both of them to check my maps against there's, but they never responded to it in the thread. So I figured that the map I had up would be good enough until I could get around to comparing them myself.
Once I had completed making this thread, which took weeks of solid work, I began checking other people's maps on the other thread. This took up all my free time, including my time to actually play the game, as I would often have 3-5 people whose maps I had to check a day. I then started making rules for it as people weren't even really trying to go it themselves, as they were posting there maps when they only had about 80% of the map uncovered, and the areas they needed were always already circled here on this thread. There were people who needed other spots than what were on my map as well, but that was simply because they were missing massive amounts of the map.
So with the job of checking everyone's maps on the other post, as Leighwyn and Shyft quit doing so around that time and it was just me, I didn't have time to update maps on this thread, and I frankly didn't have much of a desire to with so many people simply posting their maps on the other thread at 80-90%.
I also kept Leighwyn's there as his is a map of U maps that are pasted together so it's one huge U map, which is pretty convient for comparisons. Of course I then found out that most people were using my maps anyway, the one's with the circles on them, even though I had advised against this, due to my circles covering areas they need to get or areas that indicate whether or not the circled areas have been cleared or not. So I had decided that I would just post my clean maps as well and tell them to use these, but I never got around to it.
And now I have my hands full with making the Elonian high end armor gallery and the Elonian Cartography guide, as well as trying to get some actual play time in. Which I haven't even had time to get one character through the starter island yet.
But yes I will update them for you since you asked. Which is pretty much what I was waiting for anyway. As I figured if no one asked, then no one really needed it...
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BTW, the Eredon exploit is just getting your henchmen inside the town (while outside it) and using Recall to get past the warp zone.. right? When you get into the town under this method, does the gate to the special area disappear?
..and I was toying with the idea of just joining the alliance and getting in that way
Yeah that's how it's done, though I don't think it works anymore since the latest updates. I did do it myself with another character just to see how it was done and how much you could get.
Many people do simply join the guild to get it then leave. I won't do this mainly because I am a guild leader myself so I can't just join and leave, and I didn't want to get it through the exploit as that's not really an area that you can uncover under normal circumstances, and since I did have it in my mind that I would update the maps at some point, I didn't want that area included. Though I supposed I could just have circled it and said you have to join the guid to get it, but oh well. I did clear the area in Raisu Palace through the Necrotic travel, but I'll leave that to them to figure out how to get as it makes the title easier to get, and I believe it should be worked for.
..and I was toying with the idea of just joining the alliance and getting in that way
Yeah that's how it's done, though I don't think it works anymore since the latest updates. I did do it myself with another character just to see how it was done and how much you could get.Many people do simply join the guild to get it then leave. I won't do this mainly because I am a guild leader myself so I can't just join and leave, and I didn't want to get it through the exploit as that's not really an area that you can uncover under normal circumstances, and since I did have it in my mind that I would update the maps at some point, I didn't want that area included. Though I supposed I could just have circled it and said you have to join the guid to get it, but oh well. I did clear the area in Raisu Palace through the Necrotic travel, but I'll leave that to them to figure out how to get as it makes the title easier to get, and I believe it should be worked for.
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Originally Posted by Asrial
Our maps are pretty similar. There's a couple of spots I want to investigate further, but I have to head out to work so that'll be later tonight.
However, I did spot this immediately... Kaineng: "2-3. Make sure to hug the edges of the island as closely as possible - you can uncover some spots in the water that show as a "vertical line" glitch on the world map the way west edge of Dunes of Despair mission in Tyria does. The "U" map and zoomed-in overview map don't show this line." This is the area west of the Brotherhood 'base'. When you uncover it, it shows up as a vertical line when unzoomed. You haven't uncovered that spot yet. I will definitely uncover anything on my map that you can point out that I haven't uncovered, as I was trying to do that before with Leighwyn and Shyft, and I'd really appreciate it. I believe I know what spot you are talking about as Leighwyn mentions it on the OP I believe. Could you post a pic of it though, so I can make sure I know what you mean? I can also then include it in the OP for others. Livingston Asrial
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I've never actually used the difference method myself. To line the maps up do you just wait for the clouds to get near the same and then take a heap of rapid screenshots to get the one that lines up exactly or what? Yes. It's not as difficult to do this as I thought it would be, since the clouds are able to form noticeable patterns. As long as someone makes their map shortly after hitting M it's easier to just do the alignment on MY map instead of having them do it on a specific time. I can also teach you the process I use to do my comparisons. It's actually using video editing software to do the work. Everything is free. . I attached a crop of the area in question. It's west of the Marketplace and when you uncover it, you get the vertical line when zoomed out. The picture is not the best. . The whole reason I'm asking about updating the maps, and wanting to see yours and such, is that I suffer from the desire to have a 'true' 100% exploration for my character
Livingston
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The whole reason I'm asking about updating the maps, and wanting to see yours and such, is that I suffer from the desire to have a 'true' 100% exploration for my character
Believe me I understand the need. I wanted that too until I realized that I would have to get guild access to uncover many of the areas...So to get that spot I just have to hit the most NW spot in that base area? Livingston Asrial
Yep yep
aldaron
Great Guide!
TY Livingston. Now, on to Elona!
Livingston
Congrats aldaron.
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I've got a thread for that one as well, so be sure to check it out. Quote: Yep yep
Let me know if you find anything else I don't have. Livingston fifel
I have a Tryian born character with the Tryian cartographer title and had all but given up hope of getting it in Cantha until I happened upon this guide and was rejuvenated in my quest. Before reading this guide I was at 99.3%. Last night I compared a couple of the “commonly missed area” maps and found .3% in an hour. The last .4% will be harder to come by due to the darkness of the map but I have faith that I will succeed. However I do have the monastery mapped out from the dragon festival events, so according to the guide I should have an easier time getting my 100%
I will continue to pursue this title when taking breaks from nightfall, but I have a few questions. If I am unable to find the last % on my own and need to submit screenshots in the other thread, does it matter how I divide the continent up? For instance, is there a preferred way to take screens of the island that make it better to compare, or as long as I get the whole island in various shots? I use a full windowed mode “U” map to compare and take screenshots, per suggestion of this guide. And in submitting those shots should I include a full zoomed out shot per the specifications listed (etc. 1024x768) just in case different people or helping out by using different methods? Thanks for you time and your continued effort in helping people like me out. I am quite sure I would have never found that % last night or my future % for the title if it wasn’t for this guide. I humbly bow before you in appreciation and gratitude. Fifel IGN: Fifel Hood |