its already been said and stated over and over,
lets give it a min and read it a few times more afterward:
Each chapter = 2 new professions, a new story, a new place, and no support for previous unique professions. simple enough.
READ ABOVE AGAIN
now think for a few minutes.
keep thinking
now calm the fk down and stop being retarded: "oh they cant come up with anything new now" did you expect a god shape forming class? a spear wielding shout/chant profession? i didnt see a topic sorry. guess your wrong then.
so sit back and shut up. k thnx
ANet, what is the final word on Rit and Assassin expansion?
floppinghog
LifeInfusion
Whoa there people.
Why they won't add skills is simple:
sins and rits aren't CORE. Core = every campaign (like FoW, UW).
you are MANDATED to get the Factions chapter if you WANT (not need, key difference) the full rit&sin skills since none of the skills are core.
you are MANDATED to get the Nightfall chapter if you WANT (not need, key difference) the full dervish/paragon skills since none of those skills are going to be core either.
The noncore classes have been designed to keep their feel in every chapter. I doubt a canthan will be going to Elona for skills or vice versa.
The core classes are basically your bread and butter classes that make up the core of the professions (core classes = core of the professions). The rest of the skills balance upon these.
In each chapter the core skills are balanced against noncore. That is how they ensure a person without one chapter (say nightfall) can still be able to beat one with the chapter.
Just like the solar system revolved around a core (the sun) so does the professions in GW.
Why they won't add skills is simple:
sins and rits aren't CORE. Core = every campaign (like FoW, UW).
you are MANDATED to get the Factions chapter if you WANT (not need, key difference) the full rit&sin skills since none of the skills are core.
you are MANDATED to get the Nightfall chapter if you WANT (not need, key difference) the full dervish/paragon skills since none of those skills are going to be core either.
The noncore classes have been designed to keep their feel in every chapter. I doubt a canthan will be going to Elona for skills or vice versa.
The core classes are basically your bread and butter classes that make up the core of the professions (core classes = core of the professions). The rest of the skills balance upon these.
In each chapter the core skills are balanced against noncore. That is how they ensure a person without one chapter (say nightfall) can still be able to beat one with the chapter.
Just like the solar system revolved around a core (the sun) so does the professions in GW.
GloryFox
I find it interesting to note that nowhere in the Factions manuals is anything saying core classes. Only core skills and still no reference as to what core means. I also do not see anywhere written by Anet that the Assassin and Ritualist would no longer get any support for future chapters. I am sure they wanted to avoid arguments such as this they would post something. Anet has not POSTED anything at all about it as OFFICIAL. Even Gaile Gray was unsure and vague on the issue.
My best guess is that ANET have not fully come to a decision on this issue. If they screw the Assassin and Ritualist players (there are many) you will see very few Paragons and Dervishes in Elona. And you will see very few FLAVOR classes players in future chapters. Most players won't waste their time and energy on a character that can only become what was written for one chapter. Most players make a character for the long haul.
From now on in this thread please post where ANET says IT and where the quote IS with a caveat saying “KEEP IN MIND ANET IS FREE TO CHANGE THEIR GAME AS THEY SEE FIT”
My best guess is that ANET have not fully come to a decision on this issue. If they screw the Assassin and Ritualist players (there are many) you will see very few Paragons and Dervishes in Elona. And you will see very few FLAVOR classes players in future chapters. Most players won't waste their time and energy on a character that can only become what was written for one chapter. Most players make a character for the long haul.
From now on in this thread please post where ANET says IT and where the quote IS with a caveat saying “KEEP IN MIND ANET IS FREE TO CHANGE THEIR GAME AS THEY SEE FIT”
Solar Light
Tyria, Cptr 1 > Cantha Chptr 2
Tyrian content in cantha = Tyrian heros, Dredge in Echovald, Ect
Possible Tyrian + Canthan Content in Elona = ?
Screenshot with Emporer Kisu seen
Ok folks, its entirely possible that we could see smidgens of canthan and tyrian content there, like the occasional Dredge =p, Imported Saltsprays, titans and other RoF Monstors for assasination plots, there is a helluva lot anet has done to link the chapters already, so its possible for them to include a Little support.
In the long run, a Little support may be better for the game, but thats my opinion
Tyrian content in cantha = Tyrian heros, Dredge in Echovald, Ect
Possible Tyrian + Canthan Content in Elona = ?
Screenshot with Emporer Kisu seen
Ok folks, its entirely possible that we could see smidgens of canthan and tyrian content there, like the occasional Dredge =p, Imported Saltsprays, titans and other RoF Monstors for assasination plots, there is a helluva lot anet has done to link the chapters already, so its possible for them to include a Little support.
In the long run, a Little support may be better for the game, but thats my opinion
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its already been said and stated over and over,
lets give it a min and read it a few times more afterward: Each chapter = 2 new professions, a new story, a new place, and no support for previous unique professions. simple enough. READ ABOVE AGAIN now think for a few minutes. keep thinking now calm the fk down and stop being retarded: "oh they cant come up with anything new now" did you expect a god shape forming class? a spear wielding shout/chant profession? i didnt see a topic sorry. guess your wrong then. so sit back and shut up. k thnx |
it has NOT been stated that there will be 2 new prof for each ch nor has it been stated thre will not be support for previous classes with each chapter...
to the contrary it has actually been said that they do not intend to introduce 2 new classes with each chapter they release... though this has been the patern so far... believe me people were extremely surprised when the dervish and paragons were announced
BUSTED... you have no factual information in there and are actually oposite about what has actually been said about new classes in new chapters
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I find it interesting to note that nowhere in the Factions manuals is anything saying core classes. Only core skills and still no reference as to what core means. I also do not see anywhere written by Anet that the Assassin and Ritualist would no longer get any support for future chapters. I am sure they wanted to avoid arguments such as this they would post something. Anet has not POSTED anything at all about it as OFFICIAL. Even Gaile Gray was unsure and vague on the issue.
My best guess is that ANET have not fully come to a decision on this issue. If they screw the Assassin and Ritualist players (there are many) you will see very few Paragons and Dervishes in Elona. And you will see very few FLAVOR classes players in future chapters. Most players won't waste their time and energy on a character that can only become what was written for one chapter. Most players make a character for the long haul. From now on in this thread please post where ANET says IT and where the quote IS with a caveat saying “KEEP IN MIND ANET IS FREE TO CHANGE THEIR GAME AS THEY SEE FIT” |
people stop saying something is factual just because YOU believe it is... this is where rumors begin and this kinda crap is what gets people all worked up falming Anet for things they never did or said
and once again correct with anet being free to change their minds or even their habits... just because this is what they did before doesnt ever mean it is what they will do again UNLESS THEY ACTUALLY SAY THEY ARE GOING TO.... no not the pretend something they said because you think they said it....
this is exactly what happened in the other threads on this subject... people dont know how to determin factual from imagined or opinions...
dont make a comment saying it is factual or official if you cant back it up
Theus
ANet can easily add new skills to the Ritualist and Assassin.
All they have to do is fix Deadly Arts and Channeling.
All they have to do is fix Deadly Arts and Channeling.
Markaedw
Straight from the 09-AUG chat log
http://forums.gwonline.net/showthread.php?t=415611
Frankly I think it will prove to be a marketing mistake. If my favorite character was an assassin or rit (BTW it is my necro), I might consider not purchasing any more chapters, especially with the other recent updates being unpopular. The last straw type of thing.
I could see not being able to create a rit or sin in Elona, but there should be armors and skills, IMO.
http://forums.gwonline.net/showthread.php?t=415611
Frankly I think it will prove to be a marketing mistake. If my favorite character was an assassin or rit (BTW it is my necro), I might consider not purchasing any more chapters, especially with the other recent updates being unpopular. The last straw type of thing.
I could see not being able to create a rit or sin in Elona, but there should be armors and skills, IMO.
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Ritualists and Assassins have not reached their prime currently. With the addition of Dervishes and Paragons to the game, Assassins and Rits will be able to experiment with a ton of new secondary choices.
That being said, it is unlikely that ANet will keep on adding new things for each profession. Think about it, if ANet comes out with like, an 8th expansion, if they added new skills and items for every character, the number of new skills added would be extrememly high...think about it. |
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Straight from the 09-AUG chat log
http://forums.gwonline.net/showthread.php?t=415611 Frankly I think it will prove to be a marketing mistake. If my favorite character was an assassin or rit (BTW it is my necro), I might consider not purchasing any more chapters, especially with the other recent updates being unpopular. The last straw type of thing. I could see not being able to create a rit or sin in Elona, but there should be armors and skills, IMO. |
amke sence considering she hasn't commented about this subject throught the many threads with the same subject mater
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Tark Alkerk
well to be honest i beleive that there will be no support for rit and ass due to that this means there would need to be skills for paragon and dervish in factions and so on and so as new chapters come out.
i just don't think that anet can be bothered to back source and go through previous expansions and add in new skills for 2 proffesions.
i think it is a shame because i belive it might make the core proffesions a little unbalenced in pvp (which is a shame Imo because i think that assasin and ritulists are underused in pvp asssasin especially), but due to A'-nets past history of lazyness (auction house anyone?) and besides all the trouble it would be to put dervishs and paragons and any future new proffesions in factions, then nightfall and factions, then chapter 4, nightfall and factions and so on, i don't think that there will be continued support for chapter professons.
also another point has come to mind,
if you count having more skills to chosse from as having an advantage (as i did, half the reason why i purchessed factions), the current situation looks like this:
(numbers correspond towards campaign number with proheccies in the middle.)
Ok chapter 1 is in the middle and is the best due to the fact that if Anet doesn't contine support, (which looks most likely), the core proffesions will have the most skills.
on the outside ring there are campaigns 2-5,
these are all equally compareable to campaigns 2-5
but the question is; Anet have been touting each chapter as a possible standalone type of game, but how then is someone that owns only nightfall able to counter the many skills that some one that owns the core game as well as mightfall? (talking on number of skills level) answer they can't.
well then as i see it the reason why anet probbally won't contine support is because... they won't you to buy more games! the greddy capatlists.
i just don't think that anet can be bothered to back source and go through previous expansions and add in new skills for 2 proffesions.
i think it is a shame because i belive it might make the core proffesions a little unbalenced in pvp (which is a shame Imo because i think that assasin and ritulists are underused in pvp asssasin especially), but due to A'-nets past history of lazyness (auction house anyone?) and besides all the trouble it would be to put dervishs and paragons and any future new proffesions in factions, then nightfall and factions, then chapter 4, nightfall and factions and so on, i don't think that there will be continued support for chapter professons.
also another point has come to mind,
if you count having more skills to chosse from as having an advantage (as i did, half the reason why i purchessed factions), the current situation looks like this:
(numbers correspond towards campaign number with proheccies in the middle.)
Ok chapter 1 is in the middle and is the best due to the fact that if Anet doesn't contine support, (which looks most likely), the core proffesions will have the most skills.
on the outside ring there are campaigns 2-5,
these are all equally compareable to campaigns 2-5
but the question is; Anet have been touting each chapter as a possible standalone type of game, but how then is someone that owns only nightfall able to counter the many skills that some one that owns the core game as well as mightfall? (talking on number of skills level) answer they can't.
well then as i see it the reason why anet probbally won't contine support is because... they won't you to buy more games! the greddy capatlists.
TheMosesPHD
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I just love how people always remember someone from Anet saying this or saying that and actually have nothing to Quote.. people dont even bother saying this crap unless you have something to quote...
__________________________________- IMO i dont expect to be able to create a rt/a in nightfall especially if i dont have ch2 upgraded to chp3, but i do believe that if you do have the unique classes avaialble to you from chp2 that those classes will have something new when carried over into new chapters... it just doesnt make sence for them to abandon them since they could cross promote previous chapters of GWs for new players of chapter 3 and to keep current players pleased with the direction of the game |
Paragraph #2: It makes complete "sence" for them not to support Sins/Rits in Chapter 3. I've already explained why so I won't again.
Now anyway, let's stay on topic!. A bunch of you are trying to support your wet-dreams of getting new rit/sin skills in Nightfalls by saying that ANet stated that not every Chapter will neccessarily have new professions, and that in future chapters they could possibly support non-core professions. Although you're wrong, I'll be leniant and say that it's slightly possible.
However, this thread is about whether or not we will have new rit/sin skills in Nightfall.
Regardless of all the reasoning presented against getting new rit/sin skills in Nightfall, one of the most basic arguements is the way the math adds up.
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note the 300 new skills same as Factions which gives 150 (75x2) to the new professions and 150 (25x6) for the core professions.
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It's official that there will only be 300 new skills.
It's official that each new chapter will give 75 skills to new profs, and 25 skills to core classes.
Do the math as much as you want, but it will all come up with the same result: No new skills for Ritualist or Assassin in Nightfall
Let's stop worrying about Chapters 4+ when Chapter 3 hasn't even been released yet.
Stop demanding some personal official statement from Gaile or an ANet guy before you give up your misconceptions. The facts are here in these 3 pages; the answers to you questions are here in these 3 pages. There's no need for ANet to further clarify something that's already clear enough to most of us.
EPO Bot
Another way to fix this: There could be no new things for Rits and Assas in Elonia itself, but some updates become available in Shing Jae when you install Nightfall on top of your Factions game. There could aslo be Rit and Assa bosses in some kind of Sorrows furnace mission in Cantha.
As i said: Not all Chapters would have new porfessions. If the Factions classes get nothing in part three, something will probably pop up in part four.
As i said: Not all Chapters would have new porfessions. If the Factions classes get nothing in part three, something will probably pop up in part four.
Xenrath
On the one hand the argument is there would be lots more skills and armours, weapons, items etc which would need to be added. This would increase with every chapter (assuming 2 more chars with each one).
On the other hand, why make one as a primary if you know it's never going to be added upon in future again?
On the other hand, why make one as a primary if you know it's never going to be added upon in future again?
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they did not even hint at an ever increasing stable of supported professions
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NO?
Then I guess its not OFFICIAL.
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Don't get me wrong I find your opinion valuable just not as fact until we see information from the developers or from a spokes person.
EPO Bot
Hey chaps, you really should check out the new Nightfall preview. The writer mentions he played a Paragon/Ritualist in the demo mission. If you can pick Ritualist as a secondary IN THE STAND ALONE GAME Nightfall RIGHT FROM THE START, i have improoved hopes for Assas and Rit's being in Nightfall.
My theory right now is Assa And Rit will be secondaries only. Who knows: Maybe Nika is in the newbie town to teach you a trick or two?
My theory right now is Assa And Rit will be secondaries only. Who knows: Maybe Nika is in the newbie town to teach you a trick or two?
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Ghull Ka
What I want to know is, how did people go from this:
"I just bought Factions! It's got two unique classes, the Assassin and the Ritualist! Sweet!"
to this:
"WTF Anet? Why aren't the classes that are unique to chapter 2 going to be supported in chapter three with new skills, armor, and such?"
I really just don't understand how that leap in logic can be made.
Unique. To. Chapter. Two.
Could you buy assassin and ritualist armor or skills in Tyria? No. It was illogical to assume that you would be able to -- they're unique to Cantha, after all. Nobody really had a problem with that, it just made sense.
Can you buy assassin and ritualist armor or skills in Elona? NO! It's illogical to assume that you would be able to -- they're unique to Cantha after all. However, logic be damned, people are really upset about this, and say it just doesn't make any sense.
"I just bought Factions! It's got two unique classes, the Assassin and the Ritualist! Sweet!"
to this:
"WTF Anet? Why aren't the classes that are unique to chapter 2 going to be supported in chapter three with new skills, armor, and such?"
I really just don't understand how that leap in logic can be made.
Unique. To. Chapter. Two.
Could you buy assassin and ritualist armor or skills in Tyria? No. It was illogical to assume that you would be able to -- they're unique to Cantha, after all. Nobody really had a problem with that, it just made sense.
Can you buy assassin and ritualist armor or skills in Elona? NO! It's illogical to assume that you would be able to -- they're unique to Cantha after all. However, logic be damned, people are really upset about this, and say it just doesn't make any sense.
scrinner
Hold on a second. Im Not sure this is relevant or not BUT!
These guys they tested out Nightfalls at leipzeg. Here we go!~
Paragon Ritualist. Might be just for the beta, But it sure does bring hopes up
These guys they tested out Nightfalls at leipzeg. Here we go!~
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they are testing the new classes on what is equavelent to a fully merged 3 chapter account where you will have access to all classes.
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http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10026799
Can you buy assassin and ritualist armor of skills in Elona? (well that is the 10,000$ question? and the point of this thread.) AND NOT EVEN GAILE GREY HAS A REAL RESPONSE ON THE QUESTION. However you can make a paragon / ritualist for PvP AND IN PvE demos in Elona. Are paragons in Cantha... NO... so why are there Paragon/ Ritualists? In ELONA!
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Could you speak to the emperor in Tyria? NO! Its was illogical to assume that you would be able to -- they're unique to Cantha, after all. Nobody really had a problem with that, It just made sense. (PLEASE NOTE THE EMPEROR HAS ALREADY BEEN SEEN IN ELONA with RETAINERS 2 IN FACT)
Can you buy assassin and ritualist armor of skills in Elona? (well that is the 10,000$ question? and the point of this thread.) AND NOT EVEN GAILE GREY HAS A REAL RESPONSE ON THE QUESTION. However you can make a paragon / ritualist for PvP AND IN PvE demos in Elona. Are paragons in Cantha... NO... so why are there Paragon/ Ritualists? In ELONA! BUT AS YOU SAY |
The emperor was standing on the edge of a dock. He's most likely there at the main port city, the LA/Kaineng equivalent. He could be there requesting help from Elonians since his entire continent is in peril. Seems reasonable to me. He'd be safer fleeing to another country for a short time anyway to keep away from the afflicted.
Or is it possible he's just a familar NPC used to hold an event for the promotional preview event that those scenes were taken from? O.o Ya that's the one.
You're completely overlooking all the logic in favor of you being wrong. If you really want your god damned official quote I may look through the Dev logs to see if I can find em, but I don't feel like wasting my own time. Why don't you go through the dev statements about Nightfall yourself and see if you can find any reasonable support for your claims. The emperor being in the main port city of Elona is not reasonable support.
Tetris L
Whatever the outcome will be, it's about time ANet let the cat out of the bag. If we don't get skills/armor for non-core professions in campaigns other than the "native" campaign, FINE, I can live with it. (I'lll simply stick to core professions then.) But at least have the balls to admit it, tell us straight away, so we have clear facts to make our decisions for future character development. Quitt stalling us and stop this pathetic stonewalling tactics, ANet.
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As for the post I made before I was showing the flaws of that poster by twisting what he had said to fit my point of view useing his logic.
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I believe there will be 8 starting classes for Nightfall 6 Core and 2 Flavor. I also hope that they do add skills for the Assassin and Ritualist to complete the classes. Hope does not die until Nightfall is released, OR until we have an official answer.
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Paragon/Ritualists: If you own all three chapters, creating a P/Rt PvP only character will be very easy. If you own all three chapters, taking your paragon to Cantha, fighting to Senji's Corner and paying Senji 500g to unlock ritualist secondary will be easy. It seems wise to assume that the development clients (which are running on development servers) that are being showcased in Leipzig "own" all three chapters.
Furthermore, when I played on one of their development clients, all Izzy had to do was type "./makepvm" and my PvP-only character (that I rolled up in the standard PvP character creation screen) was now a PvE character, ready to rock through Gyala. So on their development clients, it's even EASIER to make a P/Rt. No journey to Senji's is required.
I, too, would like ANet to come out and officially announce that assassins and ritualists will not get any new skills/armor/goodies in chapter three. That way everyone who is crying about not knowing can finally stop and begin crying about "omg anet hates my assassin" instead.
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Sai of Winter
It's Anet, they can add anything in their demonstrations...
EPO Bot
Guys, the reviewers played a STORY mission in NIGHTFALL with a NEWLY MADE Paragon/ritualist.
I bet you wont be able to make primary Assassin or Ritualists in Nightfall, but there will probably be trainers for secondaries.
So:
New skills, secondary Assa/Rits : Yes
New armor or skins for Assa/Rit : No
I bet you wont be able to make primary Assassin or Ritualists in Nightfall, but there will probably be trainers for secondaries.
So:
New skills, secondary Assa/Rits : Yes
New armor or skins for Assa/Rit : No
Ghull Ka
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Guys, the reviewers played a STORY mission in NIGHTFALL with a NEWLY MADE Paragon/ritualist.
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We rolled our toons from a selection of Ch1+Ch2 skills. Played a couple matches. Then they typed in "./makepvm" on each of our computers, transferred us to Gyala Hatchery, and let us play some PvE.
It's a safe bet to assume that their development servers have Ch1+Ch2+Ch3 keys loaded. No reason not to do it, and hundreds of reasons to do it. So this guy rolled a P/Rt PvP only toon, the ANet staff used "./makepvm" and took them to a storyline mission. Makes sense to me.
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So: New skills, secondary Assa/Rits : Yes New armor or skins for Assa/Rit : No |
ANet may decide to throw assassins and ritualists a bone here or there, but I don't expect it in the least.
Ninna
some quotes verifying that
- you cannot create a Rit / Assassin in Nightfall
- Anets goal is to have new professions with *all* future chapters
interview with Jeff Strain Apr 19 2006
http://www.just-rpg.com/default.asp?pid=1885
gamespy interview Jan. 11, 2006
http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/guild-wars-.../680914p1.html
interview with Jeff Strain
http://www.just-rpg.com/default.asp?pid=1885
doesnt answer the "bigger questions" about gear/skill support for As/Rit
- you cannot create a Rit / Assassin in Nightfall
- Anets goal is to have new professions with *all* future chapters
interview with Jeff Strain Apr 19 2006
http://www.just-rpg.com/default.asp?pid=1885
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| You will always be able to create the six core professions (the monk, elementalist, mesmer, warrior, ranger, and the necromancer), but professions that we introduce especially for that campaign can only be created if you own that campaign. |
http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/guild-wars-.../680914p1.html
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| Each release will sport two new professions only available to players who own those expansions |
http://www.just-rpg.com/default.asp?pid=1885
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| our goal for professions was to introduce new ones in each new campaign. |
doesnt answer the "bigger questions" about gear/skill support for As/Rit
Sai of Winter
Pretty much what Ghull Ka said. Again, it was just a demo, the creators can do anything they want with it. It's not the final product of the game.
floppinghog
Good post Ninna
maybe now ppl can shut up..
maybe now ppl can shut up..
prime stinger
My thoughts summerised:
Elona will have a town like Kaineng - every prof will get armours here, like Factions.
Sins and Rits wont get new skills, as they're Factions specific chars
Core profs will get 26 skills each, and the armour mentioned above
Elona will have a town like Kaineng - every prof will get armours here, like Factions.
Sins and Rits wont get new skills, as they're Factions specific chars
Core profs will get 26 skills each, and the armour mentioned above
GloryFox
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posted by Ninna some quotes verifying that - you cannot create a Rit / Assassin in Nightfall - Anets goal is to have new professions with *all* future chapters |
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| doesn’t answer the "bigger questions" about gear/skill support for As/Rit |
Debate is great exercise of the mind especially when speculation is involved.
In the quotes posted by NInna the DEV's did not say that FLAVOR classes would no longer get support with each NEW chapter. They just limited the Starting classes to 6 plus 2 Flavor. Even with that model it would be difficult to come up with 20 new classes for the next 10 chapters over 5 years. That is balanced and working classes without to much overlap. It would be easier to develop an existing 12 to 16 classes into very well rounded models that work with about 200 skills each. Each new chapter would still have new skills and new storylines thus enticing the market for people who use flavor classes as primaries.
unienaule
Well, you know what would really stop all of this pointless flaming about stuff WE DONT KNOW?! To paraphrase Tetris L:
Dear Anet,
Grow some balls and tell us that which will make us unhappy instead of springing it on us after we buy it.
Sincerely,
unienaule
Dear Anet,
Grow some balls and tell us that which will make us unhappy instead of springing it on us after we buy it.
Sincerely,
unienaule
GloryFox
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posted by unienaule Well, you know what would really stop all of this pointless flaming about stuff WE DONT KNOW?! To paraphrase Tetris L: Dear Anet, Grow some balls and tell us that which will make us unhappy instead of springing it on us after we buy it. Sincerely, unienaule |
/signed
ducktape
It's a bit excessive shouting at people to shut up, it's a valid question that ANet has not officially answered and people are asking for a response from ANet. Sure, there's rampant speculation that goes both ways as to whether there will be any new skills and/or armor for assassins and ritualists, but the basic idea is that people want to know whether two of the classes will have anything to look forward to other than new areas, quests, and missions. That's not a stupid question.
The only things that have ever been confirmed through quotes from ANet staff are:
Even if ANet does come out today and say "Yes, assassins and ritualists will get new skills and new armor if you bring them to Nightfall" or "No, assassins and ritualists will not get any new skills or any new armor if you bring them to Nightfall" it doesn't really matter. In several Gaile chats in the couple months before Factions was released they said "Yes, if you merge your account with Factions you will be able to create a new assassin or a new ritualist and start them in pre-searing Ascalon if you want." Then eight days before the game's release, they took it all back and said that you can only create chapter-specific professions in their specific chapter, but you can still take them to other chapters afterwards if you want. We even played the Alliance Battles in the PVE preview and got no word before release that they would be completely changed to gimp team communications. No matter what they say or show us, we'll never really know what we get until release date.
Long story short, although it would be really helpful to have them give us an answer about whether or not there will be new skills or new armor for assassins and ritualists in Nightfall, they can always change their mind and do the complete opposite up until first day Nightfall is available to play. As a side note, I have noticed that silence from ANet regarding potential rage-inducing issues usually means that people will be angry with ANet's decision on the matter, and they choose not to release info in an effort to not piss people off any earlier than they have to.
Exactly...spill the beans already, it's not fair to try and hide the answer to important things like this.
The only things that have ever been confirmed through quotes from ANet staff are:
- There will be 300 new skills in Nightfall (oops, not confirmed by ANet)
- You can only create chapter-specific classes in their respective chapter
- You take any character you have created to any chapter you own
- New features from Factions such as assassins, ritualists, new henchmen, and materials storage will not be available in the previous chapter (Prophecies) because if you want new content you must buy new chapters from now on
Even if ANet does come out today and say "Yes, assassins and ritualists will get new skills and new armor if you bring them to Nightfall" or "No, assassins and ritualists will not get any new skills or any new armor if you bring them to Nightfall" it doesn't really matter. In several Gaile chats in the couple months before Factions was released they said "Yes, if you merge your account with Factions you will be able to create a new assassin or a new ritualist and start them in pre-searing Ascalon if you want." Then eight days before the game's release, they took it all back and said that you can only create chapter-specific professions in their specific chapter, but you can still take them to other chapters afterwards if you want. We even played the Alliance Battles in the PVE preview and got no word before release that they would be completely changed to gimp team communications. No matter what they say or show us, we'll never really know what we get until release date.
Long story short, although it would be really helpful to have them give us an answer about whether or not there will be new skills or new armor for assassins and ritualists in Nightfall, they can always change their mind and do the complete opposite up until first day Nightfall is available to play. As a side note, I have noticed that silence from ANet regarding potential rage-inducing issues usually means that people will be angry with ANet's decision on the matter, and they choose not to release info in an effort to not piss people off any earlier than they have to.
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Originally Posted by unienaule
Dear Anet,
Grow some balls and tell us that which will make us unhappy instead of springing it on us after we buy it. |
TheMosesPHD
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Originally Posted by ducktape
The only things that have ever been confirmed through quotes from ANet staff are:
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If we could at least get a quote on the 300 new skills then I don't see what other evidence we'd need to prove that there will be no new rit/sin skills in Nightfall.
300 new skills:
75 Paragon + 75 Dervish + 25(6) Core class skills = 300 skills all accounted for.
There's no room for any new rit or sin skills. How is this not enough to prove there will be no new rit/sin skills in Nightfall?