Is anyone else worried about the new salvage options?

Actually it seems that most people are all for this feature. It's only the few who are against it.

Sure, but I didn't accuse anyone in here of being poor, a nub, or the lazy arsed bastard who can't tell a valuable item from merchant food.

Obviously he decided to let me know he fit all of those descriptions by being nice and huffy in his response. My post stands as is - I did not call anyone out in particular, but made a general statement.

If he wants to make issue with this, he can. I don't really care either way.

EDIT: Another thing to consider is: Why are people poor?

If you knew how to get rich, would you choose to stay poor? Sure. Some do. Some really do know how to make money - but they just don't care. Others tell you that its too hard, they never get rare drops, etc etc - basically lame excuses trying to cover up the fact that they indeed lack the mojo to go out there and make cash, be it grinding or being more inventive with your buy/sell technique. What they basically want is an easier time to get what they want.

I'm not here to argue that the fact that they want the same things rich-er people have for an easier time is a bad thing. That's for another thread. But don't mistake the fact that you can't sell an item for what it's worth or the fact that you have no clue about what you're doing does not mask you for what you are: a scrub. The scrubs will always complain that things aren't going their way, or that things aren't working out. This is different from people who have legitimate complaints ~ but to be poor and scratching away at the dirt and then claiming they deserve better is preposterous. Enough people have made little fortunes (be in 100k or 60+mil) for themselves, if you can't maybe you should be using what the game designers have made in mind for people like you or newbies: craftable blues.


To reiterate: I didn't insult anyone in particular, nor did I call anyone out for being this person - but if you wanna step up and admit it, then go ahead. It's not my fault you're poor and clueless, you should look inwards for that.(sumrtym)

I even went ahead and said that it doesn't matter either way to me really. The scrubs will stay scrubs and the ones who know-how will either get disgusted and leave (since GW trading is their life) or find something else they enjoy in-game.

edit(again) to Sid: go keep refreshing this thread more hoping people respond. [email protected]

Dude stop the tantrum already.

I can see the rationale behind salvageable 'inscriptions' for shields, foci, wands, and staves. There is no legitimate reason for being able to do the same for weapons.

There are relatively few possible inscriptions for weapons, and, far more importantly, they do not appear in combination with any other inscriptions. It is easily possible to have a green/collector/crafted version of every single possible weapon+inscription combination. In fact, this is probably already true. Therefore, there isn't any reason why these inscriptions should be salvagable.

As explained in a previous post however, it is not practical to have a green/collector/crafted item for every combination of inscriptions for caster items and shields, because there are far too many of such combinations. As a result, some combinations of mods are much more difficult to obtain than others. Since these mods actually have a technical impact on the game, there is a good reason to allow these mods to be salvagable.

[QUOTE=Sid Soggybottom]I love how in one breath, anti-inscriptionists are telling people that they dont need rare skins but in the next breath they complain that prices will drop on items making it hard for them to get 15k or FOW armor. [QUOTE]

actually you are wrong that we are argueing about it over it will be harder for us to get them, its the NEW PLAYERS that will have the hard time to get them that IS WHAT WE ARE SAYING.

just actually how does it improve game play other than one way. when in more wasy it wil ruin gameplay for alot of new players, and ive alrdy shown how i believe it will

actually they are around 55k right now

actually they are not increasing the drop rates for gold it is staying the same drop rate as it is now. which actually means the amout of gold drops to get the mods will be the same as they are now. so no there will not be a real increase of supply only a higher demand for it thus the higher price range.

yes and thats a great point for sheilds and wands and offhands/ however for swords axes and hammers it would be very easy to incorporate crafters as they are only adding the 2 new professions per chapter and not caring over collectors for non primary professions. however again i will say none of them are NEEDED, all u need is a clean max armor, ep, damage type.

oh and by the way to sumrtym since u asked us to look for some very rare items ill ask u to look for a white item and see if u can find it it is only fair right. i mean u find my white item and ill gladly buy all 3 staffs u want . i mean it should be simple right not that hard at all i would think, just find me 1 WHITE req 7 golden phenoix blade max damage. shouldnt be to hard right.

yes for those there is a reason behind this question and it also goes for all the so called pro inscriptionist.

umm....4 sets of FoW, >3500 hours in game, over 6.9 million xp on JUST my necro, 1.5 million in gold, numerous perfect gold items, ectos, shards, and greens, and anywhere from 2 to 7 armors for all six chars.

Read the thread next time before calling everyone names who doesn't stroke your ego about MONEY in a GAME. I don't go around bragging, cause really, it's nothing to brag on. The only people this change offends are those that have to have their ego stroked by others to feel better, and ya....that includes you. I'll excuse some of the immaturity since the "mommy and daddy" and "scrub" comment clearly show you're a kid.

Edit: Man, everytime I think we've seen every nozzle who demonstrates WHY this change is needed, ANOTHER one even worse shows up.

Manitoba, not sure why, but I'll keep my eyes out. However, my demonstration was to take up the challenge offered (and by the way, it's 3 staffs, 3 wands, and I've yet to see ONE produced). The statement was: The change isn't needed, any skin with any modifier you want can be found and you can get anyone you want by just posting on guru and asking within 2 days.

I'm demonstrating what a pile of crap that whole line of arguing is, and clearly showing WHY we are in favor of this change, once and for all pounding a nail into stupid statements like that.

Just for the record, I've never farmed for golden phonix blades, as my stated favorite sword skin is oni. This is another one that people think is "uber" and I think is another "u" word...ugly. So I have no idea how common they are, although doubt they are, especially at req 7. Which only supports my argument that even with this change, it's certainly not a "gimme" for people to acquire what they desire...it's just been moved from NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE to ACTUALLY OBTAINABLE, something everyone should be in favor of who doesn't have selfish motivations. This change benefits EVERYONE, even you Manitoba for when you finally find that req 7, you can mod it into a 15>50 and whatever else you might want.

And you know what? That doesn't upset me one bit that you can do that. I don't begrudge you getting the things you'd like to get in the game. But that's just me.

actually it is impossible to obtain like a few other items while not impossible like the staves wands and that u were referring too. white GPB dont exist neither do purple ones that is the point im making, on that there are certian items(skins u cant get) while there are modifiers that u can get. no matter how much effort u put into it.

however onis drop in the same place as the GPB do also at unwaking waters. JFYI besides from onis.

thus the update really isnt fixing what you believe it really is doing. its making 1 thing easier and going to cause alot more problems.

So what's your point exactly? You care more about the color than the stats? You can still get one....it will just be gold. Really, paint me what you're arguing here. Cause if it's "the change won't fix anything cause I can't get a white skin of what only comes as gold" I'm gonna give you an award for the to date craziest argument I've ever heard.

If for some reason you want it completely clean, salvage everything off your drop. No biggie, now it's the same as a white.

Again, the statement started that everything can be obtained, and within two days of asking on guru. So in fairness, I not only offered one thing, I said prove it with six. We've yet to see one. And I can't point to one EVER existing. With all the hours on GW, and all the hours put in by people on guru, that is pretty telling and why the change should be done. Even if you found ONE, you think I'm maybe the only guy in GW might like 20/20 wands and have the zodiac his favorite skin?

More choice, actual obtainable goals, without begrudging anyone else their items, or how they want to get them. Be that piecing them together after the update, or operating as they always have to farm for that perfect drop knowing that they didn't touch it, it just came that way (although I doubt there's a lot of those purists who didn't mod either / both the suffix and prefix). Good luck, and you can still enjoy it and your farming as much as ever with that same sense of accomplishment.

EDIT: BTW, the compromise I can see is making a color like red for items that are inscription modified. Gold / white / purple stays for never having an inscription applied. No stupid customization limitation or "inscribed" name moniker which again, is about ego stroking and limiting other (ya, the name isn't a limiting others, but please....it will help quell all the annoying pinging of weapons in a group, especailly by those that think it makes them better.....changing the name just encourages bad behavior to continue). Thus, all things are preserved...people can have obtainable goals of items the want with stats they want, and those people that somehow think they're better for having golds can snub their noses at the red items and continue as they always have.

Again: caster items and shields - ok. weapons - no.

Skins don't affect gameplay, so you guys don't get to whine about them. A shortsword hits just as hard as a crystalline.

actually i believe someone said they seen one ive seen both a curses and blood one. they do exists and theres nothing stoping u from getting them except luck.

i believe u said that noone could find them cause there was such a small improbable chance, while i showed u something that really can not be gotten period. that was the point. actually i cant get one with req 7 either they dont drop.


now for those that like to argue the economics side of GW. you all are wrong sorry. the economics in guild wars is player based remember, in fact its not based on supply and demand. in based on WANT. yes WANT is the key word.

that is another reason that prices will be up for the inherents cause everyone will WANT them. that is what the economics of GW is. HS diploma FTW

wouldnt fixing the drops be overall better than screwing ppl over

The question was posed by my Guild leader last night.

His point: Apparently, the update that stopped Purple Runes from dropping from Gold items DID NOT work on items found before the update!

It's quite possible this Inscription thing will only work on items found AFTER the update.

Comments?

(To clarify, I mean salvaging Inscriptions might only work new items. Obviously, attaching Inscriptions to an old item shouldn't be a problem...)

15 vs plant
15 vs dragons

i will give you simple proof of increased supply by an example that has already happened and the results known.

GUARANTEED RUNE SALVAGE INCREASED THE RUNES AVAILABLE AND LOOK AT YOUR RUNE GOLD MINE PRICES NOW.

SUBSTITUTE *GUARANTEED MOD SALVAGE* AND TAKE A GOOD GUESS WHERE THE 50K PLUS MOD MARKET WILL SETTLE OUT AT

@Mordakai: I agree with your guild leader. Anet's item changes have a history of not being retroactive, and I've said that to my people.

@Zehnchu: That's not an inherent mod. That's a suffix weapon mod ("of pruning", "of dragonslaying"). Therefore, it isn't a good argument for salvagable inherent mods.

Maybe he was thinking of the +AL vs ___ infixes?

The problem is that its still way too easy to get 15^50, 15(stance), +5 nrg, +15/-5, +15(-10AL) mods even from low level chests. If they made the change non retroactive and only applied the ability to salvage and apply inscriptions to certain skins in nightfall, then this would be much more acceptable. However, I feel any elite mission areas in nightfall should still have rare items that cannot have inscriptions. That would still give people goals to work towards if they wanted to go for the pure rare items instead of inscriptions.

Another thought I had is that perhaps a new color of item will start dropping in nightfall (orange for example) that would be similar to socketed items in diablo 2. Only those orange items could have inscriptions applied to them. In this scenerio, you could still salvage inscriptions from older items, but they can only be applied to orange inscribable items.

The list of possible inherent modifiers is available here:
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Weapon_...nd_Focus_Items

Weapons do not have any +armor inherent mods. The only +armor vs. <type/species> mods I see are on shields/foci, and these mods don't even reach the +15 he was talking about.

As I've said twice already, caster items and shields are ok for inherent mod salvages. Weapons (bows, axes, hammers, swords, daggers) are not.

I saw them but can't prove it does NOT count. The statement, again, was everything is easily obtainable if you have the cash, in fact you can get it on guru within 2 days of asking.

You want to compare the near impossibility of finding something you should be able to do with something that is impossible??? That makes sense.

OMG, this update sucks because req 5 uber double dmg swords of can opening don't drop now and won't after the update!!!!!

BTW, explain to me how just changing the color to let's say orange when you apply an inherent mod doesn't satisfy your problem? Purists can still work at obtaining only golds, and everyone else will be happy putting together their modified items of skins / stats they want?

Sounds good for the causal player to me.

Still, to date, no one against the incription mods has answered my question... what harm can there possibly be in me being able to shuffle around mods and inscriptions to create weapons with stats I want?

Keep in mind... I don't buy weapons, from anyone, ever. Just seems silly. Odds are that the majority of players play similarly.

73 pages of bickering and we still don't even know the details about this change yet. Instead of wasting time arguing about things we have very little knowledge of why not spend that time emailing/PM'ing Anet, Gaile or Alex asking them to give us the details on it. Surely if we all knew the specifics there wouldn't be so much commotion.

yet you are FAR more likely to be left out of a group because of the lack of rank, than you are because of the lack of a crystalline sword.
funny how something that doesnt effect gameplay can have that effect, is it not?

I've never been left out of a quest group for either reason. Maybe, just maybe that's true for HA... but I don't tend to hang around there.

How again is it a bad thing for me to be able to swap around my mods/inscriptions to build weapons of choice? I seem to be missing responses to this simple question.

While I agree that we need more information from ANET, emailing or PMing them won't do any good. They always refer us back to the forums to ask our questions. Go try it and see.

You are most definatly right about emailing but I do know that Gaile and Alex frequent these forums quite a bit, perhaps someone can get into contact with them via PM or other means in order to persuade them to reply in this thread with details on all of this? Honestly after all this debate on the subject i'm amazed that they havn't broke their vow of silence on the matter.

yet, by your own admission, you still dont have the items you want, and are willing to endorse inscriptions because of it.
you're the same as most other pro-inscriptionists; you're in it for yourself, the difference is you have a little money behind your name.

and, because i know you're going to bring up my previous statements that there are a few items i want and do nto still own, and somehow try to relate that to my argument, let me first clarify.
while there are items i want and do not have, i will not support inscriptions merely to get what i want, you will. that, is where we are different.
you are willing to put aside the patience required to get the items you want for the sake of supporting inscriptions, so that you may get them immidiatly. this tells me you have little patience, which is what it comes down too.
"good things come to those who wait."

on another note, for someone who is so against wealthy players going around torting their possessions, you do a pretty good job of it.
yet, you've had no qualm with accusing me of being a schauvanistic social pariah, which is amusing, because of the literally HUNDREDS of people who know me (even most who know me well), very, very few have even the slightest clue of how wealthy i am...i find that funny since im aparently such an egotistical showoff.
if someone asks to see my collections, ill be happy to share them, and answer any questions posed. but, i dont go around to random people broadcasting my holdings and demanding respect in return (something you're obviously not shy of doing). yet in your mind, i remain the showoff. funny.

Because there is no real response to this. Other than their self interest in keep prices high and being elite running around with their rare skins.

And really, my support for the salvaging system has nothing to do with rare skins, I'd just like a more flexible system. I'm sure most people want that too. But the anti-inscriptionists keep insisting that it's all about the rares. And I'm just getting tired of trying to get that idea out of their skulls.

I personally havent PMed them but I'm sure someone has, afterall this is a pretty controversial subject. Besides, they cant possibly have missed this thread. I'm pretty sure they're choosing not to respond for whatever reason that they have.

feel free to laugh later if my guesses are wrong...........here goes

1 it will be as simple as possible to avoid introducing bugs

2 inscriptions will be another mod and simply unlocked to salvage them.

3 space is tight so expert kit not another space hog inscription kit.

4 think cap sig and skill menu from dead boss

5 substitute expert kit for cap sig ...substitute prefix/inscription/suffix menu for boss skill menu and click the one you want

because, in response to both these arguments, we anti-inscriptionists have been posing mediums through this whole thread.
from making inscriptions limited to collectors/greens only, to introducing every possible modification via collectors/crafters, to being able to choose the mods on collectors/crafters items, to making inscriptions for ch3 items only, the list goes on...and for each medium we've proposed, that would make available every possible weapon mod, each has been shot down.
why?
because as i've said before, the main interest of (most) pro-inscriptionists is to obtain the same skins without any entailed additional time. you guys veil your personal greed behind the arguments of evening the playing field in terms of item stats, but each time a middle-ground is proposed a counter-argument such as "but why should we limit our options?" is posed. again, its because pro-inscriptionists couldnt give 2 cents about getting the items with the mods they want...they dont care about function, they care only about vanity. plain&simple.

the few honorable pro-inscriptionists who argued nothing but economics and longevity, as well as the benifit to the population as a whole, have long since abandoned this thread. in their place now stand a legion of people interested in nothing but their own personal furtherance, regardless of the cost to others.
the irony, is that if most of the current pro-inscriptionists abandoned the thread, and it went back to the old pro-inscriptionists arguing on a basis of logic rather than greed, your argument would be FAR more convincing.

Yeah, that's why I mentioned "vow of silence" in my last post. It's hard for me to belive they are totally ignorant to this big topic at hand. For whatever reason they are staying quiet about it and instead of all this petty arguing back and forth I say let's start requesting some answers! Gaile and Alex, please shed some light to this topic please! Pretty please, with cherries on top!

And amazingly, in all this post, you never answer the question.

What harm is there in me, personally, being able to shuffle inscriptions and mods around, creating the weapons of my choice? Posting what you think are alternatives doesn't asnwer the question. Thinking I want this for the sake of having perfect rare skins is absurd... I don't buy anyhow. Any fun skins I have I found. What harm is there in me taking a skin I found, and like, and making it the perfect weapon for me or one of my heroes?

I have a gold archaic axe I found. Not a demand item, but looks cool as hell... big sharp pointy rock on a stick. Why should I not be allowed to take the weapon I found and enhance it to what I want?

Who does that harm?

I am really getting tired of a bunch of people like you who by their own admissions dont want their personal stashes to drop in price, admit that only a few select people should have rare skins, and only care about the economy but not anything else calling us greedy.

Seriously how hyprocritical is that?

And since when is improving a game feature labeled as greedy?

I'm not reading through 70+ pages of nonsense, but I will address the hilarity of economic ignorance that is the opening post.

Whites will not start selling for 100k+. Unless white drop rates are somehow nerfed. Whites are very common, it's not difficult to obtain whites/blues/purples/golds with max stats and a low req. There's no reason for the price to go up. Also, people will still care about the gold lettering. Just as people today will pay 500k for a gold 20/20 regular skinned prot staff when a collectors staff is only different because it's blue.

If anything, this will make everything CHEAPER. There are /TONS/ of max gold low req weapons out there that don't get sold because of crappy inherent mods. Anyone ever sold 14^50, 14% vs hexed, 20V50 weapons? Yeah, it's hard. Basically what you've got is way increased supply of rare weapons with max stats, and people will want them now, because now they aren't useless. They will be /CHEAPER/.

Greens and collectors items are already hilariously cheap. Have you seen the price drops for the greens? This triple green drop weekend has sent Ghials to 5-7k, Rajazans used to be 50k, now they are going for 10k. No one /ever/ bought collectors weapons, they just bought the certain collector drops for maybe 100-300 a piece. You're not losing a huge market here. Besides, this point is a direct contradiction to your first point. People buy greens because they are cheaper alternatives to perfect gold weapons. Why would people start buying 100k+ white weapons, inscriptions, and whatever else, when cheap perfect green weapons are still available?

Perhaps you haven't noticed, but bots increase supply and make things cheaper. Seriously, give me an example of things that have gone up in price. As far as I can tell, all the runes are MUCH cheaper, green weapons are too, gold armors in the Forge are 24k for 7. I used to be able to get 10k per gold armor.


Basically, I'm saying you've never taken basic high school economics and have a pretty bad grasp of logical thinking. This change will lead to decreased prices all around. Inscriptions will probably hover around 20-30k for a while, then drop down to 5-10k I predict. Rare skins will drop in price only a little bit. Max Gold crystallines/dwarvens/sephis axes are still pretty tough to come by. Every other desired (but not rare) like Zodiacs will drop in price like CRAZY. You go for 1 run in an elite missions, snatch up some max gold weapon with worthless damage mods, and slap some perfect 15^50's on there and you got tons of zodiacs flooding the market. Cheap prices mmm..

@ Akhilleus
Uhh. Ok... Why not make all mods act that way. I was always puzzled as to why Anet would let EVERY mod in the game EXCEPT for damage mods(and precious, salvage, recharge/cast) salvagable. This move is just making things the way they should be. From now on, lets make every mod act the way you want them to. HP mods, sundering, vamp mods, now they are all inherent. Wheeeeeeeeeeeee. Now your weapons are crazy expensive. Is that what you wanted? Never to be able to mod your weapon ever again? And isn't it hilarious that you're attributing greed to people who like the idea of inscriptions when thats /exactly/ the basis for your being against them?

>>>> regardless of the cost to others.<<
What cost is it to you? Now you can't control click your weapon set of perfect rare skinned items and have people go WOW, YOU ARE MR. PVE ALLSTAR. I BOW DOWN TO YOUR LEET FARMING ABILITIES TO BUY SUCH A WEAPON. Oh. That's the reason? Wow, a lot more stupid than I imagined, but unsurprising.

That doesn't change the fact a lot of things are near impossible to get. This makes them MORE accessible, but certainly not a gimme.

And quoting small half-statments ftw? I haven't been bragging about what I have....if you bothered to quote the rest of that. I only said it for a response to the "i'm obviously poor and want this cause I don't put time into the game", something I've been accused of over and over of in this thread.

Ya, there's a big difference between me and you. I'm straightforward and honest about why I want the change that benefits EVERYONE, you're deceitful in your arguments against it because you want to deny accessibility to people to preserve your "wealth". The references in your name to if it's cheap it's not worth buying and 15^50 tell everyone what they need to know about you, no matter WHAT you say.

Well, based upon what gaile said in another forum through the chat log someone posted, it seems to be that only new chapter 3 weapons can be salvaged for the mods. Still no response as to how or if we can apply them to old chapter 1- 2 skins. I would post the link, to that specific chat log, but I think it might be against forums rules, not sure though.

She actually said she wasn't sure, but didn't think so, and everytime since has refused to comment on the salvage system.

From a programming point of view, it woulnd't make sense to give extra salvageability to newer weapons only. But nobody knows for sure... yet. :P

The answer to your question depends on exactly what you mean by building a weapon of choice.

If you mean, "why can't I get a bow, sword, axe, hammer, or daggers with the inherent mods that I want", the answer to that is you can - find the appropriate collector, weaponsmith, or green item.

If you mean, "why can't I get a wand, focus, staff, or shield with the inherent mods that I want", the answer is that you should be able to, and as I've said now three times in this thread, it would be a welcome change.

If you mean, "why can't I get the *skin* I want with the mods I want", the answer is that it defeats the point of having a game economy. If this is your question, it's similar to wondering why you can't craft Fissure armor for the same price as 1.5k Droknar's. Skins have no practical impact on the game, so there is no convincing argument for why they should just be handed to you.

To continue this thread is pointless, because it always comes back to being about money. You really think Anet doesn’t know what makes up the majority community of GW? You would know that they have said that players with 20k and less make up the majority community. And again if a million people don’t buy from you in the first place it’s not going to have an affect on the “economy” nor you if those same million people never buy from you at all.

Can you see the point I am making here? It means what they chose to do will not, can not, nor will never affect your “economy”.

The value of an item is base on one thing, how much can I sell it for and how much more can I sell the same one for later. This is a trend that was started and then other people saw and then jumped on the money train. Every new item added the game the first asking price is always 100k+xx ectos. This isn’t about the “economy” of the game. Since everyone in the game knows the price will drop in a few days. ToPK, Factions, Totem axe, rotwing bow the list goes on.

Take the “economy” out of you argument maybe then you will have more of a valid point.

by the way..farmers and hoarders don't care about the “economy” it's about personal gain.