Ok ive searched this forum and was unable to find a post with what im proposing so here goes;
I have been playing the same char on guild wars since just before it origionally came out. I have achived a lot since then all with the same char including getting full FoW armor, Becoming a portector of both tryia and cantha, becoming a grandmaster cartographer of both tryia and cantha, capping all 180 elites and much more. Needless to say i am not about to creat a new char and start over!
i would like to be able to get the survivor title on the same char as the one i mentioned but at current this is not possable.
I suggest that the survivor title be changed so the experiance is counted between deaths and not from 0 deaths. This would allow old tryian chars and any other person who doesnt want to remake their char each time they die to go for it.
I see that anet may not want to do this because some of the achievement of the title would be surviving the levels leading up to lv 20 and this may be harder than actualy farming the rest from lv 20. If what i suggested isnt then possable then why not make the survivor title an account title as apposed to a char title? ie once accuired on one char can be shown accross all and more importantly counts as a maxed title accross all.
Currently i have 4/5 maxed titles towards kind of a big deal and would like to then go for the rumored people know me title. It would help very much if it was possable for me to get the survivor title.
If you agree that this title needs to be changed please support me by leaving your comments.
thanks
Lord Chippo
GW please change the survivor title!!
Lord Chippo
Morgenstern
Agree. 
I'm in the same boat as you. Except my warrior is about half way to all those titles, and I don't really want to start again eh. I would say make it a account based title.
I'm in the same boat as you. Except my warrior is about half way to all those titles, and I don't really want to start again eh. I would say make it a account based title.
Cyclades of Knossos
/signed
I completely agree. It's unfair on those of us that started our characters way way way before this title came out.
Between death makes much more sense.
I don't know about you guys, but I just don't have enough time to start from scratch on a new character.
I completely agree. It's unfair on those of us that started our characters way way way before this title came out.
Between death makes much more sense.
I don't know about you guys, but I just don't have enough time to start from scratch on a new character.
logan90
/Signed
I'm in the exact same situation as you on my monk... Well, not the exact same situation.. I don't have FoW on my monk, but I do have the materials and money ready. Just hadn't got around to going to the Forgemaster.. But yeah..
It isn't fair on the old characters.
I'm in the exact same situation as you on my monk... Well, not the exact same situation.. I don't have FoW on my monk, but I do have the materials and money ready. Just hadn't got around to going to the Forgemaster.. But yeah..
It isn't fair on the old characters.
Dougal Kronik
/signed
I'm more concerned about my event headgear than by my titles I have maxed out. I can get the titles, but I can never get a Pumpkin helmet again.
I'm more concerned about my event headgear than by my titles I have maxed out. I can get the titles, but I can never get a Pumpkin helmet again.
Rera
/notsigned
Give old characters a one-time death reset.
Legendary Survivor is the only title that involves risk - it is the only title that you can actually fail to get *permanently*. Removing this risk makes it a very different title.
Give old characters a one-time death reset.
Legendary Survivor is the only title that involves risk - it is the only title that you can actually fail to get *permanently*. Removing this risk makes it a very different title.
Nabru Yar
In Fairness:
Change 'Survivor' title? OK, why not change all titles-- i.e. credit the Treasure Hunter /Wisdom titles with EVERY chest opened since account creation? Sucks for us "old timers" not to get credited those extra 1000+ high-end chests opened since 2005. Too bad the "Titles" measure Factions--> and everything since... all Except for that pesky Elite Skills Track. Uh-oh.. <pokes holes in own arguement>
About that Fairness-thing: If we're credited with every single elite skill captured, why not be credited with EVERY "High -End Chest Opened" as well?
Iam Melting
Change 'Survivor' title? OK, why not change all titles-- i.e. credit the Treasure Hunter /Wisdom titles with EVERY chest opened since account creation? Sucks for us "old timers" not to get credited those extra 1000+ high-end chests opened since 2005. Too bad the "Titles" measure Factions--> and everything since... all Except for that pesky Elite Skills Track. Uh-oh.. <pokes holes in own arguement>
About that Fairness-thing: If we're credited with every single elite skill captured, why not be credited with EVERY "High -End Chest Opened" as well?
Iam Melting
Cherrie
/notsigned
Give old characters a one-time death reset. (as Rera said)
Give old characters a one-time death reset. (as Rera said)
nugzta
You cant reset death, the only way to do it is to rollback (which is impossible). If this is so easy to reset death, those survivors who have been the victims of vizunah death bug can get their death reseted easily (provided proof by mailing Anet support). But the fact is it cant be done .... I know because I was one of the victims Vizunah death bug.
PanGammon
/notsigned
its a nightmare to get for a reason. Those legendary survivors you see out there, you know they worked hard for it...........
its a nightmare to get for a reason. Those legendary survivors you see out there, you know they worked hard for it...........
Drewfense
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I know because I was one of the victims Vizunah death bug.
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Really if you already have that many skills capped and have consciously completed 4/5 titles with the aspirations of the I am a big deal track, you should have just made a new character to begin with.
/notsigned...long live my r3 survivor!
nugzta
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rofl...thats one of the funniest things I have ever read...did you make it out of the hospital ok? Previous posters are right that part of the survivor title is the one chance of it all. To be honest about it though, if you are 4/5 on titles (guessing both protectors and explorers since those are the easiest), you are not going to get legendary in any practical way. To get a legendary survivor, you really have to cap 120ish skills, do all the factions quests/missions, and some of prophecies. You only hope would be Nightfall offering a similar amount of experience as Factions and it would still be pushing it because you already have the core elites.
Really if you already have that many skills capped and have consciously completed 4/5 titles with the aspirations of the I am a big deal track, you should have just made a new character to begin with. /notsigned...long live my r3 survivor! |
Some people were suggesting to give old characters one-time death reset. I replied to this; it cant be done because once you died XX times it is written in your character information log. I used Vizunah Death bug as example that death CAN NOT be reseted. Many survivors mailed Anet about this death bug but they cant do anything about it.
Of course I got my Legendary Survivor as well.
gameshoes3003
/notsigned
I can't agree with this because say your magic caster dude dies like a thousands time before getting to lvl 20 that's not much of a survivor there. And then you make a warrior and do some light training to lvl 20, that's just cheesy.
I can't agree with this because say your magic caster dude dies like a thousands time before getting to lvl 20 that's not much of a survivor there. And then you make a warrior and do some light training to lvl 20, that's just cheesy.
Rera
If you can't reset the actual number of deaths, just treat their current death count as 0 for the purpose of survivor title.
Refyused
/SIGNED
I've played since day 1 (in the betas too) and because my character was old, I obviously had deaths when Factions came out, and that prevents me from being able to get the title. I also refuse to start over.
I've played since day 1 (in the betas too) and because my character was old, I obviously had deaths when Factions came out, and that prevents me from being able to get the title. I also refuse to start over.
Rakeman
Well, if you gain 20 levels of exp without dying, you SHOULD get the title, even if you died before that survival spree. But what about people who have level 1 and are going to another level? Do they lose the title if they die? Do they have to go back to level 1 when they die? Or do they get frozen as it is currently? or what?
Not A Fifty Five
/not signed
90% (99%?) of legendary survivors get it in a few hours solo farming or sitting back in a faction farm at lutgardis and get the 2k exp every few minutes (or if the party is good every minute!!)
Survivor is a joke title really, I think it's pretty stupid the way it is. I mean sure, you can be that 1-10% that got it through brilliant thinking, luck, and creativity, but whats the point when you know everyone else got it through solo farm or being door master at lutgardis observatory farm
90% (99%?) of legendary survivors get it in a few hours solo farming or sitting back in a faction farm at lutgardis and get the 2k exp every few minutes (or if the party is good every minute!!)
Survivor is a joke title really, I think it's pretty stupid the way it is. I mean sure, you can be that 1-10% that got it through brilliant thinking, luck, and creativity, but whats the point when you know everyone else got it through solo farm or being door master at lutgardis observatory farm
Refyused
It isn't a "few hours" of soloing, it is a LOT of hours, and a LOT of boring grind to do it. Of all the Legendary Survivors I know, none of them got it from being afk or solely by soloing.
Winterclaw
/notsigned
Instead of changing survivor, create a survivor equlivalant title that resets the amount of exp you need every time you die, but you can still get it after you die and keep it (or improve it) if you do.
And ref is right, it takes a heckuva long time to farm that kind of XP.
Instead of changing survivor, create a survivor equlivalant title that resets the amount of exp you need every time you die, but you can still get it after you die and keep it (or improve it) if you do.
And ref is right, it takes a heckuva long time to farm that kind of XP.
Not A Fifty Five
you've never been to lutgardis. there's a LOT, a WHOLE LOT of legendary survivors who got it that way. And its not rly for solo farming, just go farm trolls. Not that you can do it anymore, but you could very easily get the title that way, 10 trolls and a minor exp scroll give more exp than you think.
Oh and the levels 1-20 part of survivor is the easy part actually (I'm a survivor I know ^^).
Run town A- run town B etc.. get kaineng armor. Then redo go back and do everything
Oh and the levels 1-20 part of survivor is the easy part actually (I'm a survivor I know ^^).
Run town A- run town B etc.. get kaineng armor. Then redo go back and do everything
Refyused
Umm.. it really doesn't. I've done it several times on my warrior, I made a new one solely to get that title, and it took me a LONG time to get it. Sure, you might get 4-5k XP per run, but that is peanuts when compared to the total amount needed, and if you do the math of time:XP, you'll be able to see just how time consuming the title is.
Also, I recognize your name from somewhere, in game I think.. Does the name Pete Ward ring a bell?
Also, I recognize your name from somewhere, in game I think.. Does the name Pete Ward ring a bell?
Perkunas
I understand that once you aquire any of the Survivor titles, you keep that title even if you die after acheiving it. You get level 2, but die trying for level 3, you keep the level 2 title.
Every game I play (D2, DS 1 & 2, Delta Force, etc), I strive to survive. It didn't / doesn't matter if there is a title or not. I HATE to die. There are too many people that rush headlong into a fight, not caring whether they survive it or not. Why? Because there is 'no' penalty. Now GW has a Survivor Title. Those that were careless with their lives are asking for forgiveness. It may be a game, but ALWAYS value your life.
Every game I play (D2, DS 1 & 2, Delta Force, etc), I strive to survive. It didn't / doesn't matter if there is a title or not. I HATE to die. There are too many people that rush headlong into a fight, not caring whether they survive it or not. Why? Because there is 'no' penalty. Now GW has a Survivor Title. Those that were careless with their lives are asking for forgiveness. It may be a game, but ALWAYS value your life.
Refyused
Excuse me? You're telling me that we should've gone a YEAR without a SINGLE death, in anticipation that there'd be a reward system when the next chapter (Factions) came out?
Not A Fifty Five
Nope 
Umm.. I do zos shivros sometimes.. fow and uw a lot.. and I'm from guildwiki *shrug*
But yeah 4-5k experience a troll run. And whats the alternative? Fow quests, sorrows furnace quests, uw quests. No joke, exp from monsters is crap in 8 party. I tried survivor in Fow with an Ob flesh uber tank and got about 40k exp a run in Fow quests. Trolls are faster but too boring for me. However, not for all those troll farmers. If all they changed was hit alt f4 every time they would have died they'd all be legendary survivors in a short while.
Oh and hehe.. survivor should totally have an effect, like wisdom now does. Not rly sure what.. considering one would have to make it so you couldn't use it in pvp
Umm.. I do zos shivros sometimes.. fow and uw a lot.. and I'm from guildwiki *shrug*But yeah 4-5k experience a troll run. And whats the alternative? Fow quests, sorrows furnace quests, uw quests. No joke, exp from monsters is crap in 8 party. I tried survivor in Fow with an Ob flesh uber tank and got about 40k exp a run in Fow quests. Trolls are faster but too boring for me. However, not for all those troll farmers. If all they changed was hit alt f4 every time they would have died they'd all be legendary survivors in a short while.
Oh and hehe.. survivor should totally have an effect, like wisdom now does. Not rly sure what.. considering one would have to make it so you couldn't use it in pvp
leeky baby
ya this would be cool but alot harder to get this title because of the 'nerf' cant just do a few hundred troll runs >.<
Im not gunna be able to get in casue use pves in pvp and i dont think any monks can be that godly =D
but
/signed
Im not gunna be able to get in casue use pves in pvp and i dont think any monks can be that godly =D
but
/signed
Cyclades of Knossos
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I understand that once you aquire any of the Survivor titles, you keep that title even if you die after acheiving it. You get level 2, but die trying for level 3, you keep the level 2 title.
Every game I play (D2, DS 1 & 2, Delta Force, etc), I strive to survive. It didn't / doesn't matter if there is a title or not. I HATE to die. There are too many people that rush headlong into a fight, not caring whether they survive it or not. Why? Because there is 'no' penalty. Now GW has a Survivor Title. Those that were careless with their lives are asking for forgiveness. It may be a game, but ALWAYS value your life. |
1. I don't have the powers of seeing into the future. When I started GW on day ONE that it was released, there was no such title, and no hint of the title either before it came out.
2. GW made a HUGE deal out the ressurrection portals, and actively encouraged people to not worry about dying because it didn't really matter, charge right in and have fun. And for those of us who played the game the way ANET first intended - we now get penalized.
Silas Verdeii
/signed...well sorta
I would prefer that they introduced a new title similar to survivor which is awarded after staying death free for a certain amount of experience. the survivor title is impressive in it's own right but having other titles that show how long you can go without dying at one time, despite having died a few times as a lvl 2 would be well received by me.
I would prefer that they introduced a new title similar to survivor which is awarded after staying death free for a certain amount of experience. the survivor title is impressive in it's own right but having other titles that show how long you can go without dying at one time, despite having died a few times as a lvl 2 would be well received by me.
Kayla Slays
How about instituting a ratio or percentage system.
My Mesmer has died 1324 times - Yes hours spent spinning nose down in the dirt. But she has 2 073 201xp. So a death:life ratio of roughly 1:1565 is not so bad sounding. Though if you consider it to be 1565xp per death it sounds awful!
My Ritualist who lost Survivor (2) contention died at 258 229. She has 473 764xp now with 21 deaths. So approx 1:22560
That is 22560xp per death - much better!
That way if I want I can improve that ratio by playing smarter (should know how by now!), questing, farming, capping elites.... however. So a goal for each character could be to attain a better ratio...
So…
1:1000 Comatose
1:5000 Asleep at the wheel
1:10 000 Catnapping
1:20 000 Doing OK
1:50 000 Brave
1:100 000 Alive
1:1 000 000 Staying Alive
Or something! Okay I admit those really need help – but you get the idea!
My Mesmer has died 1324 times - Yes hours spent spinning nose down in the dirt. But she has 2 073 201xp. So a death:life ratio of roughly 1:1565 is not so bad sounding. Though if you consider it to be 1565xp per death it sounds awful!
My Ritualist who lost Survivor (2) contention died at 258 229. She has 473 764xp now with 21 deaths. So approx 1:22560
That is 22560xp per death - much better!
That way if I want I can improve that ratio by playing smarter (should know how by now!), questing, farming, capping elites.... however. So a goal for each character could be to attain a better ratio...
So…
1:1000 Comatose
1:5000 Asleep at the wheel
1:10 000 Catnapping
1:20 000 Doing OK
1:50 000 Brave
1:100 000 Alive
1:1 000 000 Staying Alive
Or something! Okay I admit those really need help – but you get the idea!
Dalimoor_Kalkire
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In Fairness:
Change 'Survivor' title? OK, why not change all titles-- i.e. credit the Treasure Hunter /Wisdom titles with EVERY chest opened since account creation? Sucks for us "old timers" not to get credited those extra 1000+ high-end chests opened since 2005. Too bad the "Titles" measure Factions--> and everything since... all Except for that pesky Elite Skills Track. Uh-oh.. <pokes holes in own arguement> About that Fairness-thing: If we're credited with every single elite skill captured, why not be credited with EVERY "High -End Chest Opened" as well? Iam Melting |
I do believe that the title should restart after each death, and you have more then one chance to get it. Yes, those that have it probably hate that concept, and yes I know how hard it is to get it. The idea that I can get a character to 98% completion and then hit a lag spike and die makes me sick. Either I delete him/her and restart, or stare at that 98% forever...I'll take option "c" and not try. But, hey, that's just my two cents...
/signed
pingu666
yeah, resets/restart with every death, or a different title
Alt F Four
/nosigned
A level 20 has too many options to grind the title out. No skill = no effort = no title. If you want a survivor title, make a new character,
A level 20 has too many options to grind the title out. No skill = no effort = no title. If you want a survivor title, make a new character,
=HT=Ingram
bah its a pozer title anyway. just eliminate it. All it encourages is people disconnecting if they start to lose anyways. So having it mostly means your a team QUITTER!!! Its certainly not something that would encourage me to take them along in a PUG...
calithratheheala
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bah its a pozer title anyway. just eliminate it. All it encourages is people disconnecting if they start to lose anyways. So having it mostly means your a team QUITTER!!! Its certainly not something that would encourage me to take them along in a PUG...
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I really don't think this title is all that difficult. If you start in Cantha, level 1 can be achieved just after getting to the mainland. I am currently at 1,230,000 or so xp on my necro and I have beaten the entire factions campaign with all masters (meaning I didn't just dwadle to survive, I ran with the group) in every mission. If you play smart, do all the quests, and skill cap it can be achieved without a single moment of farming.
On the topic of changing it, I think there should be a one time reset where everyone would get one chance just as a new character would. If worst came to worst, just sit around as the doorman in a fff run (if you can find a group..)
I do not think it should be able to progress after you die because it would greatly decrease the overall value of the title
EDIT: restarting from 0 after every death is also an O.K. option and I think would be a valid alternative
Effendi Westland
Not signed.
And on creating of character one should have a checkbox 'going for survivor title', title can only be gained when this is checked and when you die this char get deleted.
And on creating of character one should have a checkbox 'going for survivor title', title can only be gained when this is checked and when you die this char get deleted.
Jade_Onyx
/would like to sign but...
If they did this, then they would have to let people back into pre so people could get defender of ascalon title. I'm in the same boat as a lot of people here, main char is from release, has drunk, all 3 protector, all 3 grandmaster, almost maxed chest/id, maxed (well 8) sunspear, r6 lightbringer all but the 3 missing elites...has over 50k deaths...you get the picture. Restarting this character is not an option unless i loose both my legs in some freak accident and am fussed to my char for the rest of my life. Would I like to get both these titles (grind doesn't bother me at all)?? Yes. Will I be surprised if they don't do this? No.
If they did this, then they would have to let people back into pre so people could get defender of ascalon title. I'm in the same boat as a lot of people here, main char is from release, has drunk, all 3 protector, all 3 grandmaster, almost maxed chest/id, maxed (well 8) sunspear, r6 lightbringer all but the 3 missing elites...has over 50k deaths...you get the picture. Restarting this character is not an option unless i loose both my legs in some freak accident and am fussed to my char for the rest of my life. Would I like to get both these titles (grind doesn't bother me at all)?? Yes. Will I be surprised if they don't do this? No.
Sedgehammer
I think it would be nice, but it would be unfair to people who've tried and failed multiple times before getting their survivor title. I talked to a woman in-game one time who displayed Legendary Survivor, and she said that she had lagged to death more than once when she was deep in to getting the title. The fact that she hung in there so long and kept trying makes the title mean that much more for her.
Also, I was thinking of getting defender of ascalon AND survivor by letting someone else death level while just standing there, and then fighting the enemy once its level was high enough so that I don't have to die. Something like that would be extremely cool to have right now, since it's so ridiculous, but it would not longer be that neat otherwise.
The offer is tempting, though, I'll admit that. My elementalist is my first character and I go for every title I can on her.
I'm surprised that so many of you have this many titles maxed. That really is impressive. Just working on all of my titles makes me tired sometimes.
Also, I was thinking of getting defender of ascalon AND survivor by letting someone else death level while just standing there, and then fighting the enemy once its level was high enough so that I don't have to die. Something like that would be extremely cool to have right now, since it's so ridiculous, but it would not longer be that neat otherwise.
The offer is tempting, though, I'll admit that. My elementalist is my first character and I go for every title I can on her.
I'm surprised that so many of you have this many titles maxed. That really is impressive. Just working on all of my titles makes me tired sometimes.
Linksys
/signed
This idea would still involve risk. You risk dying and having to start over and use more time to do this. Not really into intentionally make people devote large amounts of time but for what it's worth, signed.
This idea would still involve risk. You risk dying and having to start over and use more time to do this. Not really into intentionally make people devote large amounts of time but for what it's worth, signed.
Bryant Again
Heh, /signed.
My Derv at lvl 16 got killed in Mehtani Keys. Actually, let me rephrase: Supposedly killed. I just you're character is still in there a bit after you close the window. I got spiked by some plants, was at 87 hp (remember it clearly) and when I restarted, /deaths equaled 1.
I'm not signing because of this. I would just like a chance for my other characters to get it who are 17 months old.
My Derv at lvl 16 got killed in Mehtani Keys. Actually, let me rephrase: Supposedly killed. I just you're character is still in there a bit after you close the window. I got spiked by some plants, was at 87 hp (remember it clearly) and when I restarted, /deaths equaled 1.
I'm not signing because of this. I would just like a chance for my other characters to get it who are 17 months old.
Rehnahvah Gahro
/signed for 2 reasons:
First: My Nec has 6 titles maxed (almost 7) and as much as I like this game: I am not willing to start a new char. Running around Tyria. Running around Cantha. Running around Elona. Drinking, drinking, drinking. Get the point?
Second: They are most likely to change the Elite-Skill Hunter Title, so that more people can achieve that (depending on their campains). So why not change Survivor? The arguement that it would "cheapen" the title doesn't count, because it is DAMN hard to get 1337k experience. No matter what Level I am. It is just more frustrating if you die at 99% and HAVE TO START ALL OVER AGAIN and it makes you even hate the game for a while, because most of the time it is just some stupid lag. So it should be: Reset counter: yes, have to start new char all over again: no.
By the way: I think no title should be lost forever, I still don't know what to think about Defender of Ascalon.
And what does Anet think? Is there a chance that Gaile will start a poll again like she did with the Skill Hunter Title? I would appreciate that, thanks xD
First: My Nec has 6 titles maxed (almost 7) and as much as I like this game: I am not willing to start a new char. Running around Tyria. Running around Cantha. Running around Elona. Drinking, drinking, drinking. Get the point?
Second: They are most likely to change the Elite-Skill Hunter Title, so that more people can achieve that (depending on their campains). So why not change Survivor? The arguement that it would "cheapen" the title doesn't count, because it is DAMN hard to get 1337k experience. No matter what Level I am. It is just more frustrating if you die at 99% and HAVE TO START ALL OVER AGAIN and it makes you even hate the game for a while, because most of the time it is just some stupid lag. So it should be: Reset counter: yes, have to start new char all over again: no.
By the way: I think no title should be lost forever, I still don't know what to think about Defender of Ascalon.
And what does Anet think? Is there a chance that Gaile will start a poll again like she did with the Skill Hunter Title? I would appreciate that, thanks xD
Rera
The entire point of Legendary Survivor is that it can be lost forever. I don't understand why that is so difficult to comprehend.