GW please change the survivor title!!

/NOTSIGNED... leave Survivor the way it is.

You died... you didn't survive... argue however you want, you didn't make it.

Now if it was retroactive (i.e. you've died now but before getting killed (read death levelling Charr in pre-searing) you made a title) then I'd support that. Would love it if there was some way to measure how many titles you met or contibutions toward titles you made before the titles were established.

Survivor means you've survived. If you die, you don't get it. That's the definition of the title. Re-starting it as a level 20 defeats the purpose of it.

/signed

But im expanding that also they should try to implement some way to avod the afk leeching exp that people implement nowadays to make it.

It dilutes the true value of that title to the people who actually earned it to those majority that now basically sit at other peoples expenses in places to get there exp or just hire people to get the there exp.

/notsigned

It defeats the purpose of "survivor."

/notsigned

Let's get reasonable, there are people who didn't start at the same time as you did. And changing the method of attaining this title is absolutely unfair especially to those with the titles currently.

/signed

i was devastated when i learned that my characters from the first game could'nt even have a shot at the survivor title.

/not signed

It's fine the way it is. I do sympathise with the people who never got the opportunity, but this title is all about sacrifice. If it really means that much to you to have it, redo your character and earn it like the rest of us. With the Festival Hat maker, there is very little excuse for not doing so. Most everything (aside from customized weapons) can be reacquired/rebought/recrafted. I really want a Tengu Mask like you don't understand, but that is impossible for my character to ever get. Like someone wisely said above, you can't have it all.

"The reason a-net made titles like survivor and defender of ascalon was to have people go back and make new chars and make then have something more to do."

I kind of agree with this statement. I also think it was more of a reward for the hardcore people who never died before the title was introduced (yes, I did in fact meet one) and those rare level 20s in pre-searing.

Lastly, to the guy who said take away the title upon death after I've earned it... no thanks. So, that means I can never PvP with my survivor character? I've met the requirements and earned it, fair and square, why shouldn't I keep it?. So, by that rational, should we take away the Drunkard/Ale Hound title if we don't drink alcohol once a day/week?? Or that's like taking away the Purple Heart from a wounded vet just cause they're not wounded anymore. Stupid idea, no offense

Counter Reset for survivor title. (Hope i explain it well below)

Since this thread is about survivor title, I won't start another one. How about, Okay now you have to not die till said amount of experience (level 20) to get survivor 1, so for a character that, say died at level 19, can still get survivor title IF they don't die until they reach level 20 + 20 skill points (meaning another 20 level). this way say a character that has die before the survivor title came out can now start to do the survivor title, but every time the character dies, the counter reset.

survivor after reaching level 3 can continue to gain survivor title in Hard Mode hahaha, that would be fun.

NO lol, so...basically you want things to be easier LAWL.

/notsign

I have a better suggestion. You have a 1 chance per character RESET the exp to be 0. All of th previous tittle such as LB, Sunspear, Wisdom, Treasure, cartographer...will be kept those deal with things like protector, Elite Skill hunter,... will be gone temp. When you get up to lv 20, all skills will be restore as before. Mission need to be done but no matter how you do, it will be master always. To be fair to other NEW survivor. the cap for the lv 3 Survivor is 3 mil instead!

/notsigned

The one chance for exp reset sounds reasonable though.
Uhhh, 3 mil cap is insane.

i suggest a "Rebirth Scroll"

when you use this scroll, you lose all experience and go back to level one and go back to the new player island, your death counts are also reset

you are treated as a new char so the customized armors cannot be used(or you can equip them when you arrive lvl20), you cannot use heroes with higher level than you(or all your heroes are reset to lvl 1) and all the outpost are locked(you cannot teleport to the other town until you arrive there again, so you need run the map again and do some missions again)

If you died, start again. If you have an OLD character from before titles were around, sorry, but you lose all progress, and restart. Death count reset is stupid. I have 6.5 millions experience, but have died over 1000 times. I have every elite and all primary class skills unlocked. Suddenly I am made level 1, so, do I still get use of my skills? If not, then you just remade your character. Yes, this would give you titles you would have lost by deleting the character, but it is unfair to those who earned the title the right way.

I have a Survivor now. I do not think allowing my other characters made before Factions was released to get the title is fair. Cry more, but this is not a title you can get if you died.

Extremely stupid to have any title be a one shot deal - you screw up, gone for good.

That's like saying you can only Vanquish an area on your first time entering in Hard Mode - screw it up and it's gone for good.

Definitely needs to be fixed.

/Extreme Signing
Yes, i have a warrior, got legendary defender of ascalon, and now they tell me i cant get survivor
i definately want to see this idea in play

/signed
because 2-year-old characters have never gotten a fair chance to make an attempt for this title.

/signed to make the title account wide

:O :s I thought that Survivor was account wide... and that i would then get a chance to go for this title after i had learnt more about the game..

My first char is my main char, i have been playing him for the last 3 months. Do you mean to say that if i want to get the Survivor title i cant play my main char..?
Sorry, but that is rather odd and a little dissapointing.

(ok, i must say that i agree with some posters, that the title itself can be seen as a bit silly... ie.. it doesnt promote selflessness and defending other party members. I expect it is the rare person who gains the title without trying to gain it. That being said, the title is ingame, for better or worse, and thus should be attainable to any main character.)

Some titles are a grind, as this one would be. That is as maybe, but surely proving you can do it once, is enough for your account?

Making it account wide would not take away from anyone who already has the title, since that is the main argument against this change.

I would have expected the title to be account based. (i cant check wiki atm to confirm this, but from this thread i assume it is not account wide :/ )
If not, then i would definately suggest that Survivor Title be made account based.

If account based, then it is a matter of me, and players with chars who are older than the title's existance, of making a new char to get the title, which is then available over all chars.

To suggest that one should have to make a whole new character and for that char to become your new main char..just to attain one title..is flabergasting. I can accept that my current char cant get the title for himself since he died before i even knew about the title. What i find hard to belive is that, he as my
main char, can never be a "survivor", when i fact he could well be.

The title wasnt always here i believe, so it becomes a title for older players to go for, to keep interest etc. Thats fine, but only if it is achievable for those older characters... surely ANet wouldnt expect people to give up their long played chars, for a title..?

Faction, gained by one char even, is account wide.
One can make a 'farming' char, and then give the gold and items to your main char, account wide.
Not even being able to try for Survivor title, is an issue for some chars of some people, and this is a very easy, balanced fix, surely?

Does this not, with one small change, fix something which would give many players more incentive to play more... ie they would make a new char and try for survivor, knowing they can then link it to their main char. What harm is in that...seriously..it is us, humans, who make our chars achieve the titles...and it could be done with any class, therefore why not let peoples main chars use it. The grind would still need to be done to have the title.

ps ill have a laugh if in fact it is already account based and the people posting in this thread gave me the wrong impression heh :P

/agree.
I have r3 survivor on two chars, (exactly 1,337,500; that took some fiddling), but still want my other 2+ year old chars to have some sort of means to get the title without just restarting them. Losing 10+mill xp across them all seems fine with me.

i like the idea but i fear it may become too easy witth our advanced characters maybe double the amount req or maybe im being silly

/signed

/notsigned,

I have an r3 Survivor that I worked hard for, I went out and risked it over 100times to cap skills, and to hand this title to older chars would make this title so worthless, it has the prestige attached to it (at least most of the time, since some people will play door for FFF instead of getting it legit) for a reason. I feel for the people who can't get it becuase they have an old char, but that is a just how it goes, live with it.

heh, two different views of people who have both gotten r3 survivor..
Impo i would say the first is balanced and sensible, whereas the second is a little bit selfish and exagetory (no offense :P)
I can understand the grind you went through, but surely you wouldnt want someone else to have to delete their char that they have put maybe months into..so they can 'prove' to you that they are equally as worthy of having the title as you? I cant see how it would be a worthless title if made account wide - the player still has to do the same grind.

Surely proving that one can do it on another char, is enough? Why must one delete a long played character into the bargain?

It would be nice to:

• Be able to get this title on existing characters.
• Be able to give it another try if you die somewhere half-way of your title.

But the point of the title is to SURVIVE, it is not, hey, how many times can dia, and get to retry in 4 years. This title is meant to be hard, and you only get 1 try for a reason, and as for having to start a new char, no the people who have had one for 2 years should not, they should live with the fact that they can only max 23 of the 25 availible titles (LDoA is the second for those who are about to question my flawless math, and not counting account based)

Exactly,i agree with you Cheers for responding, i guess my real question should be:

Why should it not be account based, like other elements of the game are.

That would solve the issue of older chars being able to do achieve the title (by the player having a new char attain the title - thus proving they survived without dying) While still keeping the same kudos to the title. Surely if i went out and made a whole new char just to gain the title, and ultimately after alot of hard effort attained the title.. that should be enough dedication to show..

/notsigned

Would take away the challenge from Survivers title, get to lvl 20, then go and do all the easy lvl 1-15 quests for the xp >.<

Survivors title is ment to be a challenge!

/notsigned

as someone who got their R3 Survivor the hard way i'd be a bit annoyed if others cud afford to screw up and try again. it's MEANT to be hard to get, quit whining about it being character based and how it's "stupid" that u lose it when u die (it's the whole point... >.>), not to mention if someone farmed the title on a monk for example, then cud show it off on their sin alt, it wud be a bit stupid (my sin is R2 now )

I dont remember who (if you do post the name) but someone here once said

If their was a cure for cancer would you not allow others to have it just because you beat cancer without it?

/unsigned
I think they should reset your deaths to 0 each time you get a title, but you owuld still have to get all that XP which you owuld of to get it.
(Isn't it 140,000 experience?)
Though they should also still have ti so you can find out your total total deaths.

funny enough, this ISN'T about curing cancer, this is about giving people already at a position (level 20) to nail this title easily, which is a bit absurd. it's like giving a test aimed at a 10 year old to college grad, the grad is already fully equipped to nail it easily.

Fine, then I want my Treasure Hunter account based.

Now, I guess what I am trying to say is that it would cheapen the title to not start at lvl 1 and get that 1 chance, because that is all part of it, not starting at lvl 20, with max armor, pimped out heroes and decent builds. the point is to go from scratch and take it all the way.

GG leave it the way it is and deal with it.

QQ

...the problem here is that some people are only seeing one part of the OP's suggestion...

That (making Survivor Title account based) is what a number of us are advocating, not that people who have died at level 20 can get it; but rather a new char could go and get it. ie the same amount of work has to be done!

The only argument against this is from some people who say they dont want someone to be able to display the title if that particular char didnt get it...
Heck even though that seems a bit much, i could say, ok..dont allow the displaying of that title on other chars, but do allow it to account to the total title count over the account.

edit - Unfortunately you arent living up to your namesake. When someone discusses something reasonably with you, you saying, "deal with it. QQ" is disappointing. You didnt even answer my question; or read what i actually said, since you are still talking about starting at level 20 for some reason, which is not what i was saying.

applying it to a account just isn't reasonable, you've got R3 on 1 char, yet another char has over 1000 deaths.... how is THAT eligible for survivor?

/unsigned.

Say, I have level 20 Warrior with 500 deaths, and I have a ranger with 0 deaths, who is level 20, and has the r1 survivor title. Does that mean the warrior has survived too? No. The ranger has survived, not the warrior.

QFT

even if you can't display it, what your suggesting guys means it'll count toward their max titles, which it shouldn't, they haven't earned it.

Ok, but then give my Paragon Legendary Defender of Ascalon.

I appreciate that. I do.
However, the point is that many people can never get the chance to earn it... everyone agrees that is a less than ideal situation, and one which this thread is trying to do something about. Trying to make the best of an original flaw in the introduction of the title.

I disagree, they would have earnt it, with one of their characters, just like you did with one of yours.

Its not about laziness or wanting something for nothing, its about the fact that players with their main char who played before the title even existed..simply can never get the title.

Its trying to reach a compromise to give everyone an equal chance at it. Is that so bad? Is what you are saying is.. bad luck, but live with it or start over again... You would feel good saying that to people that have had chars that have been playing since the game came out..?

Its about new players who obviously wont know about every detail of every title before they start playing (and thus died)..can simply never get the title.

Even me, ive played for 3 months and learnt a lot about the game, i thought the title was for anyone who achieved the required xp without dying, at any stage of a chars career. The title is optional, of course, but i dont see why anyone would want to deny others the chance to do the exact same amount of work to let their main char have the same chance of getting the same number of titles as you?

Of course people have a chance to earn it. I'm on number four for legendary survivor right now. I've deleted two older characters and remade them, same names, same armour, same weapons.

The character I remade this time was 25 months old.

There is absolutely nothing stopping people from remaking.

I have 3 survivors. I lost the most recent one at 520K-killed. I do not agree with any of this. It is the toughest, most frustrating title to get out there because you can lose it after many many hours of grinding experience, and you can lose it in a very short period of time. Once it is gone, it is gone and there is nothing you can do. You can spend a year in pre getting LDOA, you can map forever, you can skill hunt, etc., and never lose progress.

But Survivor is irreversible and once you die, thats it. Start over with a new character or live with it. That is the reputation of the title, that is the frustration of the title, and that is how it is setup.

Change nothing. You cheapen the value of the title any other way. Old character before the title began? Make a new one if you want the title. You don't get wisdom points, drunk points, treasure hunter points, sweet tooth points for stuff you consumed in the past.

I am frustrated as hell by it, and will likely start over again with a new character someday, but I would never want it changed.

of course i respect your opinion on the subject, but that Character has NOT earned anything, the player has sure, but it's unfair to earn it on one char and give it to all, if that was the case i'd want my drunk,sweet,treasure,wisdom,cartographer titles on ALL my chars then, it's just not practical

heh, fair enough mate, i must bow out in the face of that sort of extreme action of deleting a char that is over 2 years old. You are of course right, we can delete and restart. If that is a course of action you dont mind having to take then of course what im saying is moot.

I personally feel its a pitty that that is the only recourse to someone, which flys in the face of rpg char development and find it hard to believe that is the way that ANet intended it.

Maybe its just me, but i only have 1 main char and deleting it would seem mad given the time ive spent on it. It would take years to complete all facets of this game, on 1 char..so thinking of making more than 1 primary char is boggling to some of us :P

That being said, each to their own and fair enough to you for your choices. Cheers

I know mate, cheers, its not ideal, but then i dont think the implementation of the title was.

However, gold and faction and even skill unlocking and i think a few other things are shared over an account, so to say its "unfair to earn it on one char and give it to all", is not really the best argument ;P

I reckon ill bow out of the discussion now as ive taken up enough airtime :P, but if i may say, in closing, its not really like those titles you mention, because all of those are achievable at any stage to anyone on a char, new or old. Its not the same principal. Survivor is impossible to earn unless you make a new character, and if you want to make that char your main char to gain all titles on..that means dumping your orginal main char.

/SIGNED!!!

Yes! It is the same player working for a title and putting in the hours to make a survivor on the account. I think ALL titles should be account based. Every single title should be account based. Who cares which character you have done it on. It is supposed to be 1 player per account. So if you are the only player why shouldn't the titles all be account based.

I suppose at the end of the day, while impractical and sometimes "unfair" it's the reason WHY everyone wants the title, the very reason it's become infamous among the community.
The only reason why those of us who have achieved the rank 3, or are in the process of it disagree with the changes is because it would really "dumb down" (not literally, metaphorically) the title. I've been in the game since first beta, I know I can never get the title on my main, but imho would it REALLY be worth it? with all the other titles out there (also seems funny for a level 1 to have 5th tier treasure hunter and max LB and SS don't it?). But of course this is just one gamers opinion, most probably influenced by the fact he's achieved the title the hard way.