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mystical nessAL

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

DDrk

W/Mo

02 Jan 2008 at 14:28 - 241

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tender Wolf

Think it's been suggested before but I'll /sign it. I didn't start playing the game until a few months before Nightfall was released, so I'm not sure if this title existed yet, but I'd still like to try it.

Please, check the date.

dts720666

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2007

E/Me

02 Jan 2008 at 22:21 - 242

how about a "reset" to lvl 0 for lvl 20 characters that want to try it? That way, we can still get the title, but don't have to delete a primary character or start a new meaningless character just to get the title.

Mr. Diggles

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2006

TDE The Dragons Eyes

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03 Jan 2008 at 17:19 - 243

/signed
I like having my old character and would hate to reset her. Plus, I would miss out on BDay gifts.

Master Knightfall

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2007

03 Jan 2008 at 21:27 - 244

/unsigned. It's called SURVIVOR Title for a reason you HAVE to SURVIVE you don't get to die and then continue on from your level when you die. YOU START OVER IGMO. Plus allowing it accross your ACCOUNT hahahahah what an IGMO that's the most rediculous suggestion for this title I've ever read hahahahah lololololololol. It's a SURVIVOR TITLE not my like noob level 1 got a title he/she didn't earn....lol Sorry ain't gonna happen bud it's set in stone how the Survivor Title works. Live with it or don't play it just as simple as that.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

03 Jan 2008 at 21:32 - 245

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

It's called SURVIVOR Title for a reason you HAVE to SURVIVE you don't get to die and then continue on from your level when you die.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Chippo

I have been playing the same char on guild wars since just before it origionally came out.

Survivor title was introduced a bit later, knightfall.

Quote:

YOU START OVER IGMO.

And he has said that he earned alot on his character, such as FoW armour and titles. Please read the OP.

Either way, /notsigned.
Leave the title the way it is and go into Here.

Isileth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/W

04 Jan 2008 at 07:19 - 246

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

/unsigned. It's called SURVIVOR Title for a reason you HAVE to SURVIVE you don't get to die and then continue on from your level when you die. YOU START OVER IGMO. Plus allowing it accross your ACCOUNT hahahahah what an IGMO that's the most rediculous suggestion for this title I've ever read hahahahah lololololololol. It's a SURVIVOR TITLE not my like noob level 1 got a title he/she didn't earn....lol Sorry ain't gonna happen bud it's set in stone how the Survivor Title works. Live with it or don't play it just as simple as that.

Well first off there are chars that have been around since the start of the game (anytime before the title is still a problem however). These are chars who have a lot of time invested into them, players generally shouldnt have to delete them to have a shot at a title.

As for making it account based, who achieved the title? Did that char go out and do it all on their own?

Of course not, titles reward the player. As long as the player has achieved it on one char why not be able to show it on another?
Whats the problem with a level 1 having the title? There is no advantage gained from it. It just shows that the player has achieved it.

fir

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2007

In my chair

Wooting The Woot For The Woot

04 Jan 2008 at 09:28 - 247

Well I also think its unfait for the people who missed there change for getting survivior title but dont reset the deaths but give them another title like: Old skool or something like that xD

Fitz Rinley

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

The Rusty Rose

W/Mo

04 Jan 2008 at 18:21 - 248

/signed

I agree with allowing a player to qualify from last death, on an xp acrued set up.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

04 Jan 2008 at 22:16 - 249

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

/signed

I agree with allowing a player to qualify from last death, on an xp acrued set up.

forget it as that is not a survivor but a farmer.

if you are so desparate ask for a new title track based on total experience points and forget deaths period.

raw experience point total for the win going to insane totals with 10+ levels to it

Isileth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/W

05 Jan 2008 at 10:37 - 250

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loviatar

forget it as that is not a survivor but a farmer.

if you are so desparate ask for a new title track based on total experience points and forget deaths period.

raw experience point total for the win going to insane totals with 10+ levels to it

That would be a pure farming title.

At least with survivor you have a choice if you want to play the game "normally" and try and achieve it.

If I was given the chance to get it on my old char I wouldnt change how I played. Farming to me is boring so thats really the main reason, but secondly the title is there for me. Im not getting it so others look and go "wow he must be so cool", therefore if I get it without a challenge it means nothing to me.

A pure farming title based on xp alone is a whole different thing.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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05 Jan 2008 at 16:55 - 251

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loviatar

forget it as that is not a survivor but a farmer.

Then ALL survivors are farmers.

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

05 Jan 2008 at 19:49 - 252

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isileth

Actually its a very hard title when you cant even try it because you "failed" before it was even introduced!

That's why new character slots are available.

/Not signed. I want a chance at LoDA again, but I can't go back to pre, and there's no reason I should be able to. The same goes for legendary survivor. Think of how easy it would be to earn Rank 1 and 2 for old characters. The fact that your character now has access to all areas of the game greatly reduces the difficulty of the title, which, in my opinion, is not needed at all.

On top of that, this has been suggested 1000 times.

Isileth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/W

05 Jan 2008 at 20:14 - 253

Have you skipped the whole of the thread You can't see me?

The point is people shouldnt have to delete a char or start a new one.

We also pointed out its not easier on an old char.
You can get runs to max armor, you can use elite tomes to get any build, you have access to all the rewards from missions and quests, you can get run to most of the farming places and with GW:EN access at lvl 10 with a farming point right at the start there is 0 risk.

- Tain -

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

[SMS]

R/

05 Jan 2008 at 21:51 - 254

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isileth

Have you skipped the whole of the thread You can't see me?

The point is people shouldnt have to delete a char or start a new one.

We also pointed out its not easier on an old char.
You can get runs to max armor, you can use elite tomes to get any build, you have access to all the rewards from missions and quests, you can get run to most of the farming places and with GW:EN access at lvl 10 with a farming point right at the start there is 0 risk.

People SHOULD have to start a new char, or it would be even lamer title than it is now. If you really care about title grind, then you know that you want titles... before grinding out all the others, think about it - if you want max titles, then you know that you want Survivor, so make a new char. If you're that stuck on your old char for whatever reason, there are still plenty of other titles you can max. You don't need Survivor to get GWAMM. Whining because you're lazy isn't going to get you anywhere.

Isileth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/W

05 Jan 2008 at 22:43 - 255

Im sorry Tain but dont think to know me based on 1 post.

I do not want to max all the titles. Thats not what im here for.
Its also not lazy. I can go and get the title on a new char, but I cant get it for my old char.

The time invested into my old char I would never have the time to put in again.
This change does not make the title easier to get, it just makes it more accessible.

Master Knightfall

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2007

05 Jan 2008 at 23:06 - 256

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isileth

Well first off there are chars that have been around since the start of the game (anytime before the title is still a problem however). These are chars who have a lot of time invested into them, players generally shouldnt have to delete them to have a shot at a title.

As for making it account based, who achieved the title? Did that char go out and do it all on their own?

Of course not, titles reward the player. As long as the player has achieved it on one char why not be able to show it on another?
Whats the problem with a level 1 having the title? There is no advantage gained from it. It just shows that the player has achieved it.

Well one of the problems of a level 1 showing that title is that level 1 DIDN"T GET THE TITLE IGMO. That CLASS of character didn't get the title. You might be a survivor as a warrior and this is an enchanter character, you shouldn't have the title on a chanter if you didn't survive as a chanter! Get it now IGMO? Hope so, because those of you wanting it on level ones who haven't done the quest for those classes are pretty rediculous and total IGMO's.

You can't see me

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

USA

P/W

05 Jan 2008 at 23:35 - 257

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isileth

Have you skipped the whole of the thread You can't see me?

The point is people shouldnt have to delete a char or start a new one.

We also pointed out its not easier on an old char.
You can get runs to max armor, you can use elite tomes to get any build, you have access to all the rewards from missions and quests, you can get run to most of the farming places and with GW:EN access at lvl 10 with a farming point right at the start there is 0 risk.

No, I didn't skip the thread. I disagree with it, and do not agree with the arguments for it. Fair enough?

Isileth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/W

06 Jan 2008 at 13:15 - 258

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

Well one of the problems of a level 1 showing that title is that level 1 DIDN"T GET THE TITLE IGMO. That CLASS of character didn't get the title. You might be a survivor as a warrior and this is an enchanter character, you shouldn't have the title on a chanter if you didn't survive as a chanter! Get it now IGMO? Hope so, because those of you wanting it on level ones who haven't done the quest for those classes are pretty rediculous and total IGMO's.

Ok first of there is no need to be offensive, feel free to disagree with the post but leave attacks on the person out.

The same could be said for a PvP title, you could only every play warrior yet when you switch to a monk it still shows.

Why does it do that? Because the player has achieved it.

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Originally Posted by You Can't See me

No, I didn't skip the thread. I disagree with it, and do not agree with the arguments for it. Fair enough?

Completely fair.

Its just easier if you point out you dont agree with the arguments against the argument than repeat an argument that has already been mentioned. Avoids going round in circles

echX

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

29 Jan 2008 at 14:38 - 259

One time death reset is not a good solution... How long would it take to reach 1.337.500 xp in say hard mode at lvl20? Not long...

Make it a account based title...? Perhaps. Just complete it with ONE carachter nad violá! Soundslike the easiest idea right now...

Sry if someone allready has mentioned this, don't have the time to read through the whole thread, liked the topic though :P

RotteN

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

W/

29 Jan 2008 at 14:44 - 260

if you don't want lvl1's to be running around with Legendary Survivor, than simply make it only displayable on lvl20 characters ... The title "unlocks itself" for that character once you reach level 20 (if you have already achieved LS on another character).

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

29 Jan 2008 at 14:58 - 261

I've heard that in the BMP packs you get exp while being invulnerable to deaths (deaths do not count)

If that is true, this is another reason to allow survivor for all. New characters would have a completely safe way to get the title.

Mortal Amongst Mere Gods

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

Riding the spiral

W/

30 Jan 2008 at 00:41 - 262

Quote:

Originally Posted by You can't see me

No, I didn't skip the thread.

However, I did. I have no idea what was posted in the past few pages.

I completely agree with the revamping of the Survivor title. It would probably annoy the people who got it the original way, but this would prevent me from needing to delete my much-accomplished warrior for one missed title. I would be a bit pissed if I could never get GWAMM just cause I missed that title. (The PvP ones are titles I never plan on maxing out. Maybe Kurzick. Maybe.)

Marverick

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

R/

30 Jan 2008 at 03:37 - 263

Quote:

Originally Posted by echX

One time death reset is not a good solution... How long would it take to reach 1.337.500 xp in say hard mode at lvl20? Not long...

Make it a account based title...? Perhaps. Just complete it with ONE carachter nad violá! Soundslike the easiest idea right now...

Sry if someone allready has mentioned this, don't have the time to read through the whole thread, liked the topic though :P

So you're saying getting to level 20 is the hard part or what? Hard mode is much more risky so the risks justify the benefits.

Anyway, back to the idea, I propose a required substantial deposit to reset your death count. If you reach Legendary Survivor (1,337,500xp without dying), that deposit will be returned to you. If you die, you lose that deposit.

That will prevent people from just pursuing the title and knowing that they have nothing to lose if they fail.

Voltaic Annihilator

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2008

E/Me

30 Jan 2008 at 04:07 - 264

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyclades of Knossos

/signed

I completely agree. It's unfair on those of us that started our characters way way way before this title came out.

Between death makes much more sense.

I don't know about you guys, but I just don't have enough time to start from scratch on a new character.

i know...my char is 33 months old and i dont want to make a new char

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

30 Jan 2008 at 06:14 - 265

/signed

a change is really needed very very much. Now it's completely unfair for old pre-Factions characters.

Having it count the exp gained since your last death makes a lot of sense, but there's still a need to keep Survivor and Legendary Defender of Ascalon to be mutually exclusive.
The most fair solution would be an one time reset for all characters created before Factions release that are already in Post-Searing and are not LDoA.
Any other changes would make the title easier. (not sure if thats bad at all, and not that it's hard anyway, as it can be bought or Killroy'ed with no risk, it just requires a fresh new character)

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

R/Mo

30 Jan 2008 at 14:53 - 266

Quote:

Originally Posted by echX

One time death reset is not a good solution... How long would it take to reach 1.337.500 xp in say hard mode at lvl20? Not long...

Ummm.... I disagree. 1,337,500 xp is pretty much 100 levels. It would probably take about 2 weeks of serious playing to do that. I mean like, 8 hours a day, and only doing that.

MirkoTeran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Slovenia

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Mo/

30 Jan 2008 at 14:59 - 267

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanyatta

1,337,500 xp is pretty much 100 levels. It would probably take about 2 days of serious playing to do that. I mean like, 8 hours a day, and only doing that.

Fixed that for you.

Isileth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/W

30 Jan 2008 at 15:12 - 268

Quote:

Originally Posted by MirkoTeran

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanyatta

1,337,500 xp is pretty much 100 levels. It would probably take about 2 days of serious farming to do that. I mean like, 8 hours a day, and only doing that.

Fixed that for you.

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

R/Mo

30 Jan 2008 at 15:26 - 269

Quote:

Originally Posted by MirkoTeran

Fixed that for you.

I don't know about you, but I can't think of a way to gain 700,000+ experience points a day legitimately. I have about 400 hours on my Ranger, and he just passed the 2 mil threshold a few days ago.

MirkoTeran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Slovenia

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Mo/

30 Jan 2008 at 16:32 - 270

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanyatta

I don't know about you, but I can't think of a way to gain 700,000+ experience points a day legitimately. I have about 400 hours on my Ranger, and he just passed the 2 mil threshold a few days ago.

Not sure about now, but there used to be ways of getting 250-300k exp per hour. I'm sure there are still ways of 100k+ now.

Isileth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/W

30 Jan 2008 at 17:12 - 271

Quote:

Originally Posted by MirkoTeran

Not sure about now, but there used to be ways of getting 250-300k exp per hour. I'm sure there are still ways of 100k+ now.

All of which will be farming. All of which can be accessed by new chars anyway, be it through runs or having to play a little bit of the game.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

30 Jan 2008 at 17:23 - 272

If you have either Factions or Eye of the North, the title is made in a blink.
I could easily get it with my mesmer. But I do NOT want it with my mesmer. I want it with my elementalist.

Not with another elementalist. With my elementalist.

Even if it where profession-wide, so it you want it with your old W you make another W, get it, and then all the PvE Warriors get the title, that would be enough.

But a way, hwatever it is, so it can be possible without deletion.
This is Guild Wars.

There are NO re-rolls. That was lost when they removed the attribute change points.

Solo_uw_ftw

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2007

Gods Wanking Amongst Your [MOM]

E/

30 Jan 2008 at 17:29 - 273

/Signed

My warrior (1st char made when I bought the game) has many titles, but is unable to get Survivor.

Shadowmoon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/A

N/

30 Jan 2008 at 19:53 - 274

/sign
My necro is sitting at 29 titles, think it is retarded that I have to spend 6 month running 10k chest over 10 hours of dwarf boxing farming for my 30th title.
Also LDoA used to not be mutually exclusive with Survivor, pigs and rites quests if you don't remember. I know at least one person got it in this window of time, probably more that haven't made themselve be known to the public. Now they have +2 title that i can't get ever on my main.

panda10119

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2007

Element of the Flame

E/D

02 Feb 2008 at 18:01 - 275

wow no that robbs the HOLE meaning of Survivor, your supposed to survive, look if you are a monk with 'full obsidian' then go and farm the exp but getting to be a survivor without surviving is stuped m8

Isileth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/W

02 Feb 2008 at 18:07 - 276

Quote:

Originally Posted by panda10119

wow no that robbs the HOLE meaning of Survivor, your supposed to survive, look if you are a monk with 'full obsidian' then go and farm the exp but getting to be a survivor without surviving is stuped m8

But using an exploit, farming, having someone farm for you, mapping out the moment you take damage etc is the right way to get it?

Lets not forget that for those starting a new char for the title can restart that char over and over without losing anything else anyway.

Its not as if most people with the title got it on their first go and while playing the game "normally".

Mickey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Eternal Insight

D/

02 Feb 2008 at 18:18 - 277

/signed

Even though I completely support the Survivor title as it is, I can see the trauma that some people might feel that their older characters cannot achieve this title.

(All my characters are new now

so it's not a big deal)

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

02 Feb 2008 at 18:19 - 278

Quote:

Originally Posted by panda10119

wow no that robbs the HOLE meaning of Survivor, your supposed to survive, look if you are a monk with 'full obsidian' then go and farm the exp but getting to be a survivor without surviving is stuped m8

If we take that assumption as a start point, then they should remove the Survivor from those that died after getting rank 3.

People can survive after dying, but not survive since the last death?

Eh... weird.

RedNova88

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

Behind you!

W/

02 Feb 2008 at 19:16 - 279

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isileth

But using an exploit, farming, having someone farm for you, mapping out the moment you take damage etc is the right way to get it?

Lets not forget that for those starting a new char for the title can restart that char over and over without losing anything else anyway.

Its not as if most people with the title got it on their first go and while playing the game "normally".

True that.

I know GW is already very casual friendly but many many many people already have their character set up "perfectly" and would cringe at the thought of restarting just for Survivor. So yes it is unfair that they cannot achieve the title simply because they were around before it was implemented into the game. It's not as if they could expect it!

Give em a chance! And if it is somehow implemented by Anet PLEASE make everyone aware of the change or the forums shall erupt with more QQs than ever recorded in history.

Hailey Anne

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2007

A/E

02 Feb 2008 at 19:25 - 280

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rera

/notsigned

Give old characters a one-time death reset.

Legendary Survivor is the only title that involves risk - it is the only title that you can actually fail to get *permanently*. Removing this risk makes it a very different title.

Legendary Title involves little to no risk.
This is the easiest title to achieve in the game.
Just get to lutsgardis and hfff your way to a pointless title or go to the kilroy tourny in gwen and get it easy.
Either way this title is pointless since it is so easy.