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Hanging Man

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Deep in the Shire

29 Aug 2008 at 07:12 - 361

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

Surely you meant easier?

no, the majority of exp that I persoanlly from geting my survivor was going out killing baddies and doing quests. Once your lvl 20, odds are you've done a healthy amount of quests in most campaigns.

/onthefence
it would be nice to have some sort of rest button, or do over, atleast once because getting a survivor to lvl 19 and accidently have them die is completely shitty. But even with the once-in-a-lifetime reset that sorta ruins the entire point of obtaining survivor. Maybe allow a start for characters that where started before survivor title was attainable? idk

Pan Head

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2006

W/R

30 Aug 2008 at 02:57 - 362

This is a timeless argument. You can go back to feb 07 in this thread and look at some of my post if you want to see how i feel on the subject. Not going to make a long post of the pros and cons yada yada yada.

/signed

Cheevy

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Tyria

Ocravia Deathblade /// Light Music Club [K-On]

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23 Sep 2008 at 09:04 - 363

/signed

there should be an event, where all could do it again xD

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

23 Sep 2008 at 12:51 - 364

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheevy

/signed

there should be an event, where all could do it again xD

One-time events are not a solution.

Roupe

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

24 Sep 2008 at 10:44 - 365

Perhaps they will make the titles account based, I recall something about that -for the hall of monuments. That will solve this issue. Though one needs to create a new character and train that to the legendary survivor.

cataphract

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ashford Abbey

Hey Mallyx [icU]

Mo/Me

24 Sep 2008 at 13:41 - 366

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

If Prophecies characters from before Survivor get the title, I'd like to see the ability for Canthan and Elonian characters to obtain LDoA.

This just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Canthan and Elonian characters have access to survivor title, but pre-survivor Prophecies characters do not have access to both survivor and LDoA.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

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Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

24 Sep 2008 at 14:45 - 367

They can also add a way to add LDoA without leaving pre-sering, and make it vanish once you leave. Since it's a title to treat those that STAY in pre-Searing, not those that "Stayed".

Why?
- You stayed in pre-Searing and got to level 20. Title is added, you get title.
- You stated in pre-Searing until level 20, left before title was added. You don't get title.
- Now you stay in presearing until level 20, leave, and can keep the title.

That should be changed so the title is given only to those that ARE in pre-Searing.

That way, once you make it possible to retry survivor, getting both survivor and LDoA outisde pre-Searing would be impossible, and getting Survivor after getting tired of trying LDoA would be possible (although you'll have to leave pre-Searing for that).

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

24 Sep 2008 at 14:46 - 368

They can also add a way to add LDoA without leaving pre-sering, and make it vanish once you leave. Since it's a title to treat those that STAY in pre-Searing, not those that "Stayed".

Why?
- You stayed in pre-Searing and got to level 20. Title is added, you get title.
- You stated in pre-Searing until level 20, left before title was added. You don't get title.
- Now you stay in presearing until level 20, leave, and can keep the title.

That should be changed so the title is given only to those that ARE in pre-Searing.

That way, once you make it possible to retry survivor, getting both survivor and LDoA outisde pre-Searing would be impossible, and getting Survivor after getting tired of trying LDoA would be possible (although you'll have to leave pre-Searing for that).

techma

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

Manchester, UK

Surprise Team Buttshizzle [TTUB]

24 Sep 2008 at 14:57 - 369

/doublesigned

26 max titles so far. 3 more aren't too hard.. but that elusive 30th...
would be perfect :P

maybe increase the amount of exp needed if gaining the title this way.

EDIT:

how about making it account based if not? that way the risk factor remains!

Stupid Shizno

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2006

Madison, Wisconsin, USA

[eF]

Mo/

24 Sep 2008 at 15:43 - 370

too all those who signed

im sure anet put this title in for the meer chance you would want it, remake a new char and play the game again.

that would be called, a replay value.

thus /notsigned

every week some one makes a thread about this cause they failed. and yes, this exact idea has been thought of before and still anet goes /laugh

and for those who think this thread is hard by any means.....rofl
seriously? its hard? door gating HFFF is very hard, yes it is. its serious busniess to farm xp.

and for the few who want LDOA on their mains, well your two years late, anet fixed that glitch.

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

24 Sep 2008 at 16:14 - 371

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

They can also add a way to add LDoA without leaving pre-sering, and make it vanish once you leave. Since it's a title to treat those that STAY in pre-Searing, not those that "Stayed".

Why?
- You stayed in pre-Searing and got to level 20. Title is added, you get title.
- You stated in pre-Searing until level 20, left before title was added. You don't get title.
- Now you stay in presearing until level 20, leave, and can keep the title.

That should be changed so the title is given only to those that ARE in pre-Searing.

That way, once you make it possible to retry survivor, getting both survivor and LDoA outisde pre-Searing would be impossible, and getting Survivor after getting tired of trying LDoA would be possible (although you'll have to leave pre-Searing for that).

I totally agree with this, and to be honest, it's the only way to fix Survivor. You have to mess with LDoA too.

KIDGOOCH

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

MD

R/Mo

24 Sep 2008 at 17:19 - 372

How about a compromise then? For every level you have achieved before your last death, that number is a multiplier by the number of required points to get Survivor.
If you want to get it on a lvl 20 char you need 20 X the exp to get the title. So rank1 one is 1,337,000, to get r1 on a lvl 20 char you need 20+million more exp between deaths. Not easy by any stretch of the imagination but doable if determined.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

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Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

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24 Sep 2008 at 17:45 - 373

That would require to count them.

The best way would be to count from what we know now. The things related to survivor we know already are. Some would count negative towards repeating the title (the higher the value the harder to retry or continue) some positively (the higher the value the less difficult to retry) and some neutral (not affecting how hard is to retry the title)
- [D] Death Count should be negative. Since the more often you die, less of a survivor you are.
- [E] Total experience earned should be neutral, since there can be people working hard to get exp by questing, and people getting it easily by farming.
- [L] Level should count negatively, since the lower your level, the more merit has survivor.
- [S] Last rank of Survivor before it stopped. Should count positively, since the farther you went in the last attempt, the more of a survivor you are. But only if the title is started again from 0. If the title were 'continued', this would have to be either neutral or negative.

EmbraceDeath

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Sep 2008

Cursed Demons of Doom [CDoD]

A/R

24 Sep 2008 at 20:44 - 374

/Signed... Somewhat.
I don't think it should be possible to reset, but making it account-based would be a good idea, imo.

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

27 Sep 2008 at 01:42 - 375

No.I don't think so as I tried to get it on my forth Monk and went down and I can't go back and get LDoA.I know someone who was in my guild that got survivor on all her char. and worked hard for it.She pretty much knows all strategies for it and she pulled her self out of my guild to take break from all that it just burned herself out.

Lucia

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2006

W/

28 Sep 2008 at 08:22 - 376

/signed
In my opinion, at the point where a title is added (any title), all characters should be able to obtain this title, it's only fair. This, of course, is not the case with survivor, for any character that has died before the title was added

tazer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

Tiny Siege Turtles

02 Oct 2008 at 11:19 - 377

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Chippo

I suggest that the survivor title be changed so the experiance is counted between deaths and not from 0 deaths. This would allow old tryian chars and any other person who doesnt want to remake their char each time they die to go for it.

tottaly /signed
the work done for getting that 1,337,500 exp is more or less the same for 'new' and 'old' characters. if someone manage to get 1,337,500 exp without death, he/she sill will be The Survivor by its meaning.
seriously, there never was a point in making this to work the way it works now. not being able to obtain a title just because you created your beloved character before certain date is stupid and more frustrating than all this 'I can't die' method. not to mention about deaths by lag, that i sympathize for anyone who experienced it :P
and imo, because of similar work required from player, the 'prestige' of the title wouldn't be lowered anyway

gargytama

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Sweden

Team Of The North [EotN]

W/

02 Oct 2008 at 14:07 - 378

/signed

I think that the whole idea with "you can't be killed from the start" is stupid as hell.
I mean, I started to play GW 37 months ago when there were no think as titles (except of the Hero title) and I thought "yeah, a game where I can die as much as I want

".
I even killed my character a few times when I got pissed of while farming xD

So why won't A-net give the old characters and the ones that have been with them from the start to max the Survivior title?

I think there should be 1337500 exp without death, even though you've died 2000 times or something to max the title.

TurinPT

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

02 Oct 2008 at 14:18 - 379

/signed

just because I want the title on my main

Just.nl

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

The Netherlands, Noord-Brabant

Mu-Tants [MU]

Me/

02 Oct 2008 at 14:26 - 380

/notsigned

I just maked a survivor and now you want that a you can allways reach it.. Thats rubbish, then you can go fast do Lutgardis get evrything wat you need.. then go HFFF, thats just to easy then..
You just need to start over if you want that title IMO

Otherwise,
Lalalalla, new character, oh noes it dies.. no care i can start over again without making new one.. Lala, yay i am in lutgardis, yay 15 deaths but if i get 16 i need to start over again, i just go HFFF then i wont die..

Thats just to easy to get that title, u can rush to lutgardis without having a fear to die.. Thats just Lazy IMO

imnotyourmother

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

in a house

The Knitters Guild

W/R

02 Oct 2008 at 14:37 - 381

I Disagree.

Why, Because it is not about this toon or that toon but about the ACCOUNT and how it transfers to GW2.

I am going to get Legendary Defender of Ascalon and I have did just over 20,000 time (I know I just started) I Hate this idea cause the game is on Level playing field for NEW players.

I want what you had then when you first started. I want the exploit for Max damage weapons and runs in Presearing. You had that and I did not. THAT IS NOT FAIR. Change that back

I want all of the changes back from what they were before. I want the Ursan Back. I never had a chance at that.

You people are SELF ABSORBED. Just get the other titles you are one away and are just complaining instead of playing like the rest of us.

tazer

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

Tiny Siege Turtles

02 Oct 2008 at 15:11 - 382

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just.nl

/notsigned
You just need to start over if you want that title IMO

Why? Exp is exp. Even this title's progress is defined by exp, right? Exp gained without death, that's the Survivor idea.

Etsuko

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

Singapore ♫

Its Raining Fame Hallelujah 【傘回傘】

Me/

02 Oct 2008 at 15:58 - 383

/signed

Not to restart it, but make it account-wide. :3

I'm sure a lot of players have this issue with their 'pet' characters which they've worked hard on for the title track, and it would be great if the huge secret update of "title track change" addressed this. Most players who didn't /sign this didn't spend as much time on the game as those who did, it seems. Those who did on said pet characters would probably be happier to work a couple of hours getting Survivor on another character compared to working a couple of months getting EVERYTHING on said new character.

It'd be a great GW birthday present ;P

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

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Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

02 Oct 2008 at 16:59 - 384

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just.nl

/notsigned

[...]You just need to start over if you want that title IMO[...]

You have to start over to change attributes?
No. This is GW, not Diablo II.
You have to start over to retry failed quests or missiones?
No. This is GW, not Baldur's Gate nor Neverwinter Knights.
You have to start over to get different skills?
No. This is GW, not Ragnarok Online.

This is GW. You don't re-roll. You retry.
That's how GW works, and Survivor is a flaw.

There is only one problem with this, and it's LDoA, and that's solving by making the title vanish once you leave pre-Searing and adding a way to add the Title to the HoM from pre-Searing. The best choice would be an NPC you meet in the Northlands that is going o venture North. Talk to him while you are level 20, and he'll travel north with the proof of your title.

8 years later, any other character that gets to the HoM will see the Title in the Honor monument.

Mordiego

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2007

Pozna??, UTC+1

We Are From Poland [Pol]

N/A

02 Oct 2008 at 17:14 - 385

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rera

/notsigned

Give old characters a one-time death reset.

Legendary Survivor is the only title that involves risk - it is the only title that you can actually fail to get *permanently*. Removing this risk makes it a very different title.

but I got a bad feeling it is going to get changed in the already infamous November update.

Candra

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

Runners of the Rose

R/

05 Nov 2008 at 12:38 - 386

/signed

I have my main character with 29 maxed out titles and I've reached the Legendary Survivor title on 4 others (but not my main character). I wouldn't mind at all having this possibility : getting Legendary Survivor on my main with a system that counts experience for the title between 2 consecutive deaths.

Also having done my Legendary Survivors the old way (no FFF nor HFFF that is to say with quests, missions and skillcap) I must admit I don't like it when people think I powered-xp my chars through FFF. So I wouldn't mind the xp gain removed from the FFF quest :P.

the Puppeteer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2007

05 Nov 2008 at 13:00 - 387

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

You have to start over to retry failed quests or missiones?
No. This is GW, not Baldur's Gate nor Neverwinter Knights.

actually you just load a previous save

jaximus

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2008

wisc

05 Nov 2008 at 16:25 - 388

how about, instead of complaining for them to fix titles, how about they fix the lag? my ritualist, a character i cant bring myself to play now that she died r2 surv 900k xp died when i was at the login screen. my brother was with me at the time, and yeah it hurts to know id have to restart to get that vaunted r3. i did it the real way, masters missions through factions/nightfall and skill caps. this was before the stupid punch out tournament and ive never fff/hfff'd, nor did i map or log. if you want to complain about it being a broken title, fix the punch out tournament. all you do is bind every key thats not a skill to 8, the stand up one and faceroll the keyboard till your r3 survivor. my r2 is much more impressive than 90% of r3's. (no offense to people like Candra who did it the right way). prior to fff/hfff and gwen, legendary survivor was the one title that you had to be semi decent at the game. please a net, fix the mess you made and give us one title, just one, that takes skill to get, one title to separate the grinders from the actual good players.

Amelie De Germania

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Nov 2008

Germany/Hannover

Angels of flowing Tears [AofT]

Mo/

06 Nov 2008 at 06:56 - 389

I surely agree to your intention. I still have 29 titles max and there is still just one missing for the "god".

One way would be to set an NPC where you "register" to start survivor - maybe with a higher points of needet exp (like 3 Mio for example) and that you just can try it one (!!!) time from the start of registering.

Another option could be a title you can make when you still have NOT the survivor, or just play one of the "old" chars that are created before the survivor-title appeard. I think it is fair to give the "old" characters a chance to get a title because of the missing survivor.

Charlotte the Harlot

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Bay Area

none

R/

06 Nov 2008 at 08:41 - 390

/signed

Either add the possibility to get it in between deaths or just make it account wide if they think getting survivor on an already lvl 20 char would be too easy (they would either have to make LDoA account wide too or restrict survivor from chars that have that.)

Scary

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Uhmmmm??

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

N/

06 Nov 2008 at 08:50 - 391

/notsigned

Quote:

Originally Posted by PanGammon

/notsigned

its a nightmare to get for a reason. Those legendary survivors you see out there, you know they worked hard for it...........

Some of them did... Others (the most)...get it by leeching

the ontime death reset is a better idea

Mystica

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Germany

[金金金金]

Me/W

06 Nov 2008 at 09:10 - 392

/notsigned

I created a new char to get Survivor, successfully. Never flashed the title since but I know that I did it. That's enough for me. No need to have it on my main just to show off.

Lycan Nibbler

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

AZ

06 Nov 2008 at 09:20 - 393

Quote:

Originally Posted by tazer

Why? Exp is exp. Even this title's progress is defined by exp, right? Exp gained without death, that's the Survivor idea.

Its not called exp title, its called survivor title though not exp title.
Survive = not die = 0 deaths.

/not signed even though it would benefit my main. and definitely not signed on the account wide considering I have 10 on my main account.

Candra

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

Runners of the Rose

R/

06 Nov 2008 at 09:59 - 394

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amelie De Germania

I surely agree to your intention. I still have 29 titles max and there is still just one missing for the "god".

One way would be to set an NPC where you "register" to start survivor - maybe with a higher points of needet exp (like 3 Mio for example) and that you just can try it one (!!!) time from the start of registering.

Another option could be a title you can make when you still have NOT the survivor, or just play one of the "old" chars that are created before the survivor-title appeard. I think it is fair to give the "old" characters a chance to get a title because of the missing survivor.

/agree with the options you suggest

I think it's only fair to introduce a system that allows your good old characters to reach Legendary Survivor.

Also I don't mind if you make it account wide even though it'd mean I've made 4 Legendary Survivors 'for nothing'.

Lord Hares

Academy Page

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Lord Hares

06 Nov 2008 at 13:19 - 395

/signed

Don't care how but make it possible for old players

Branlord

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2008

middle of nowhere,mo

N/Rt

11 Nov 2008 at 00:49 - 396

/signed. Although i agree with this i won't ever acheive it. I always tend to do something retarded thus having myself die.

DarkGanni

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Malta

[CuTe]

E/

11 Nov 2008 at 02:19 - 397

Quote:

Originally Posted by imnotyourmother

I Disagree.

Why, Because it is not about this toon or that toon but about the ACCOUNT and how it transfers to GW2.

I am going to get Legendary Defender of Ascalon and I have did just over 20,000 time (I know I just started) I Hate this idea cause the game is on Level playing field for NEW players.

I want what you had then when you first started. I want the exploit for Max damage weapons and runs in Presearing. You had that and I did not. THAT IS NOT FAIR. Change that back

I want all of the changes back from what they were before. I want the Ursan Back. I never had a chance at that.

You people are SELF ABSORBED. Just get the other titles you are one away and are just complaining instead of playing like the rest of us.

Max dmg and runes in pre was an EXPLOIT and afaik exploits get fixed.

Ursan was imbalanced and it become useless more than fixed.

....and now the title, yeah what about the title. Survivor wasn't there from the beginning (and all titles in general for what it matters), when they were implemented, players were already far in the game, bought armor(s) and not everyone feels like doing that over again.

Pre Sear exploit: Your character is still alive and kicking.

Ursan: Was nerfed but you still have your Character along with all its progress.

Survivor Title: Your eldest and favorite character has to be deleted along with everything customized for it.

Conclusion: New players can easily learn about the existence of the title and go go Dwarven Boxing till it hits the jackpot, Your 2005 character can't.

The fault is neither of the players and neither of Anet's. Things just went how they went.

As they say....Rome wasn't built in a day. I'll let you discover the meaning of that.

/signed

MiraBlackhand

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2008

Central Colorado

Laid Back Crew [Laid]

A/

11 Nov 2008 at 05:25 - 398

Quote:

Originally Posted by Refyused

It isn't a "few hours" of soloing, it is a LOT of hours, and a LOT of boring grind to do it. Of all the Legendary Survivors I know, none of them got it from being afk or solely by soloing.

./wave

3 Legendary Survivors, purely solo w/ heroes / henchmen

All of them in under 24 hours of in game play.

I have other LS but they received help because I got tired of doing Kilroy without scrolls on normal mode for 20 hours (hey, I had to be safe on my first LS, screw doing it again).

I do however /sign this, or /sign to give us a death reset. I had a character made the first day of prophecies that is currently my main and I would *love* to be able to change her death count to 0 so I could get LS.

killerbot3009

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2007

the beaster

the Gold Fish [GOLD]

W/

11 Nov 2008 at 08:26 - 399

/signed.

i have had the same problem as i am 2 more titles off of God walking and i wish i had thought about doing survivor when i made the char, but unfortunately i was a noob then lol. having the survivor title in between deaths would definatly make more sense. plz help me get my God walking A net. plus with the HFFF getting changed soon i may need this title as i am blatently not going to go from r4 -12 in less than a week.

btw, lord Chippo, just saying that u are saying that u had a char over 3 years old and that is all u have managed to do on it, trying to make it seem like a awsome thing, but really u havent done much on that char, so might be a good idea just to make a new one.

Owik Gall

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guardians of the Light

W/Mo

11 Nov 2008 at 08:45 - 400

I know people who got the title already had worked their butt off, but I bet even they will want something like this idea take form. In fact, it's not very different than the way it is now. There's just a reset, that's it.

/signed.

It makes all the since in the world.