/signed
unfair for old chars to not have even 1 chance to obtain title.
demoralizing title, too many xp farms, with little to no risk. basic cakewalk title. never ment anything from day1.
1 time deth reset, xp for title reset to level achieved if death occours, thus starting the next level over agian, and pretty much anything that makes this title still achievable, to new and old chars, w/o needing to remake. all great ideas.
GW please change the survivor title!!
Oblivious Moose
Marverick
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Legendary Title involves little to no risk.
This is the easiest title to achieve in the game. Just get to lutsgardis and hfff your way to a pointless title or go to the kilroy tourny in gwen and get it easy. Either way this title is pointless since it is so easy. |
RedNova88
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Legendary Title involves little to no risk.
This is the easiest title to achieve in the game. Just get to lutsgardis and hfff your way to a pointless title or go to the kilroy tourny in gwen and get it easy. Either way this title is pointless since it is so easy. |
And for the record not everyone likes things like this handed to them. I didn't do it the way you described. I played normally until level 20 then spent some money on cap sigs. After that I bought scrolls grinded/quested with my ping hovering above 600. Oh yeah for sure the easiest title out of them all, no doubt in my mind whatsoever...
MithranArkanere
If they allowed the title for old characters it would be actually HARDER, the more things they have done: No elites to capture. No quests to make...
Just by paying normally in Factions you may get the title to max, thanks to all those 2,5..5XP quests.
Just by paying normally in Factions you may get the title to max, thanks to all those 2,5..5XP quests.
TaCktiX
/Signed
The title is at an all-time low in difficulty thanks to Kilroy's dungeon. I would like to do it the old-fashioned way of just playing the game, but carefully. Editing the title to this would make that possible.
The title is at an all-time low in difficulty thanks to Kilroy's dungeon. I would like to do it the old-fashioned way of just playing the game, but carefully. Editing the title to this would make that possible.
Zahr Dalsk
/notsigned
Unfair for some of us who rerolled characters (after sometimes hundreds of hours of gameplay) to attain the title, only to learn we could have waited and simply not rerolled?
Nothxbai.
Unfair for some of us who rerolled characters (after sometimes hundreds of hours of gameplay) to attain the title, only to learn we could have waited and simply not rerolled?
Nothxbai.
Isileth
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/notsigned
Unfair for some of us who rerolled characters (after sometimes hundreds of hours of gameplay) to attain the title, only to learn we could have waited and simply not rerolled? Nothxbai. |
If thats unfair what about those missions that killed you? That used to count as a death. How unfair some people had to reroll and then it was fixed.
What about the new super easy ways of getting the title? How unfair on those who got it before right.
Just because something used a poor mechanic when someone else did it doesnt mean everyone else should have to use that same mechanic if it can be improved.
MithranArkanere
Exactly. If something is fixed to make it better for the rest, you should not grief, you should rejoice and congratulate those that can enjoy the fixed thing.
Won't you like it so if they fixed an issue that directly affected you?
Won't you like it so if they fixed an issue that directly affected you?
Charlotte the Harlot
/signed
Account wide survivor, xp since last death, or both work for me.
Hardly any harder to use a preexisting character than to make a new one may as well.
And if its account wide its still the same achievement just through a different one of your characters.
Account wide survivor, xp since last death, or both work for me.
Hardly any harder to use a preexisting character than to make a new one may as well.
And if its account wide its still the same achievement just through a different one of your characters.
Perkunas
"Just get to lutsgardis and hfff your way to a pointless title"
Please tell me where this place is, so I can fight my way there with my lvl 16 survivor, and farm these "easy" points. How many quests and missions will I have to survive playing with H/H, just to reach this place? And where is this "Kilroy" thing everyone talks about? Is it easy to get to also? I would like to know where these places are, cause I am tired of rerolling everytime I die before reaching level 20 or just after.
My lvl 16 E/Mo has completed every quest and mission from Pre-searing to Lion's Arch, to KC for armor, and to Elona for the first 5 heros. I am at the hub, now tell me where to go for those "easy" points.
Please tell me where this place is, so I can fight my way there with my lvl 16 survivor, and farm these "easy" points. How many quests and missions will I have to survive playing with H/H, just to reach this place? And where is this "Kilroy" thing everyone talks about? Is it easy to get to also? I would like to know where these places are, cause I am tired of rerolling everytime I die before reaching level 20 or just after.
My lvl 16 E/Mo has completed every quest and mission from Pre-searing to Lion's Arch, to KC for armor, and to Elona for the first 5 heros. I am at the hub, now tell me where to go for those "easy" points.
Kiragi Yagami
/signed, i didnt even know about the survivor title till my main was well finished 2 campaigns and had a couple titles+ accomplishments under his belt.
but for those saying "one time death reset", think about this. people with LDoA are in the money to get LS then. "sweet, just got my LDoA title. /deathreset time to go farm kilroy for hours! noooobs!"
but for those saying "one time death reset", think about this. people with LDoA are in the money to get LS then. "sweet, just got my LDoA title. /deathreset time to go farm kilroy for hours! noooobs!"
Nanood
Survivor between deaths sounds fine to me. Really.. It's a title. To see someone displaying the Legendary Survivor title hardly makes for oohs and ahhs anymore. Let us all have a go at it regardless of method.
ManiSan
Anyway that title is totally broken. Legendary Chicken, Legendary Grinder, or Legendary Exploiter ?
And its very easy.
Im not, and most experienced players, impressed at all by LS. No matter what you say, everyone will think that you did it the easiest way possible. And even if you did quests, missions, you were prolly far behind the melee... Leeching xp, so only heroes and henches had accepted you in their teams.
So.. It doesnt matter at all.. just a word under your character's name.
/signed, looks fair for those wanting it (before they start whining about LDoA)
And its very easy.
Im not, and most experienced players, impressed at all by LS. No matter what you say, everyone will think that you did it the easiest way possible. And even if you did quests, missions, you were prolly far behind the melee... Leeching xp, so only heroes and henches had accepted you in their teams.
So.. It doesnt matter at all.. just a word under your character's name.
/signed, looks fair for those wanting it (before they start whining about LDoA)
Zahr Dalsk
Most of us just get it to count as a maxed title for GWAMM. The title itself holds very little interest to me, so I'm always mildly ticked off when a Survivor dies before r3 and I have to restart, since it generally happens after I've invested a good 20 hours or so. Accursed lag...
MithranArkanere
I don't really care about the GWAMM, but I do enjoy 'completion'.
I'm getting all 1319 skill in a single character even when is no title for doing that. And I explored a lot before the Carthographer was added. And I got all Bonuses before Protector and... well... you get the drill...
I love completion.
I'm getting all 1319 skill in a single character even when is no title for doing that. And I explored a lot before the Carthographer was added. And I got all Bonuses before Protector and... well... you get the drill...
I love completion.
TheRaven
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I don't really care about the GWAMM, but I do enjoy 'completion'.
I'm getting all 1319 skill in a single character even when is no title for doing that. And I explored a lot before the Carthographer was added. And I got all Bonuses before Protector and... well... you get the drill... I love completion. |
Frozy
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Oh good. I'm not the only one trying to learn all skills on a character. Yeah, I know it's not necessary, it's just something to do and now that we have tomes, it's cheaper than ever.
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Anyway, everyone should check Shadowmoon's new suggestion.
Demandred
/notsigned
although i knew nothing about survivor title when using my main char, i believe that its tough luck and have accepted it, passing this would not be fair to those who have risked a stuffload to get it, although i think it would be very nice to get it esp with nearly gettting im very important, i think it would kill it, taking out all the prestige of a maxed survivor title
although i knew nothing about survivor title when using my main char, i believe that its tough luck and have accepted it, passing this would not be fair to those who have risked a stuffload to get it, although i think it would be very nice to get it esp with nearly gettting im very important, i think it would kill it, taking out all the prestige of a maxed survivor title
Isileth
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/notsigned
although i knew nothing about survivor title when using my main char, i believe that its tough luck and have accepted it, passing this would not be fair to those who have risked a stuffload to get it, although i think it would be very nice to get it esp with nearly gettting im very important, i think it would kill it, taking out all the prestige of a maxed survivor title |
You could exploit it at one point.
You can farm for it.
You can have someone else farm for you.
You can stay at the back of a team and map out the moment things look bad.
With a new char you can try over and over and over again without ever losing anything but time.
2) How is it not fair?
So because others used a bad mechanic everyone else should? Because it wouldnt be fair to make the game better?
RedNova88
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1) There is no prestige.
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Oh well let the people that did it the easy way have their precious words under their name. The title will most likely mean less to them than it does to anyone who actually earned the title and did things the hard/harder way so that the final moment would be that much sweeter.
Isileth
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Not anymore there isn't.
Oh well let the people that did it the easy way have their precious words under their name. The title will most likely mean less to them than it does to anyone who actually earned the title and did things the hard/harder way so that the final moment would be that much sweeter. |
The point is however there is no way of knowing how another got it.
Also as for "not anymore"
When it started there was at least 1 way to exploit it. So it had no prestige from the very start sadly.
Age
I would say it needs adjusting for this tier1 lvl10,tier2 lvl15 and LS lvl20.I was working on my first LS and lost it at 830.000+XP no thanks to henchies in Tyria were it is the hardest.Tyria is needs a revamp bigger XP and more XP from missions and merg pre and post and a small beginner area much like before you enter Sing Jea Monestary.
I am not
about this.
I am not
about this.
HerrHildebrand
/signed
With the current way it is handled, it is just too much of a luck title. Too many times I've fled from a combat only to find out 2-3 minutes later that I'm rubber-banded back into that combat and dead on the ground.
With the current way it is handled, it is just too much of a luck title. Too many times I've fled from a combat only to find out 2-3 minutes later that I'm rubber-banded back into that combat and dead on the ground.
Konig Des Todes
/notsigned
For making survivor based on amount of xp between deaths, that would mean every single person could get survivor now, which would get rid of the point of the title, besides it is to easy to farm xp without risking death now *especially with HFFF, FFF, and the dwarven boxing*. If the survivor title is changed, then the only way it could be changed and still be "fair" would by doing 2 things. First, nerf HFFF, dooring FFF, and the dwarven boxing *for HFFF and FFF maybe add a group that spawns within radar distance of the zone, and make that group patrol to the door perhapes. And for dwarven boxing, maybe just make it harder.* Seond, remove death counts and/or make the title amount of xp between deaths. That way, if this gets updated, everyone has an equal chance at getting the title while removing the 3 easiest xp farming methods.
For making survivor based on amount of xp between deaths, that would mean every single person could get survivor now, which would get rid of the point of the title, besides it is to easy to farm xp without risking death now *especially with HFFF, FFF, and the dwarven boxing*. If the survivor title is changed, then the only way it could be changed and still be "fair" would by doing 2 things. First, nerf HFFF, dooring FFF, and the dwarven boxing *for HFFF and FFF maybe add a group that spawns within radar distance of the zone, and make that group patrol to the door perhapes. And for dwarven boxing, maybe just make it harder.* Seond, remove death counts and/or make the title amount of xp between deaths. That way, if this gets updated, everyone has an equal chance at getting the title while removing the 3 easiest xp farming methods.
BenjZee
would be cool. the 1 time death rest idea sounds dogey though. you could do a similar idea and just start the title track on these characters from how ever many deaths they are on at the moment.
eg. monks on 3000 deaths, can work on surviver title for this once in a life time opperunity. once he hits 3001 deaths he has permenantly failed the title.
or how about as an added bonus. Letting our character reset their deaths at 3 years old. This means that the people that will be three this year will be the oldest hence didnt have a chance at the title.
You could even make this feature permenant so then someone has to either restart their char or wait 3 years and keep their prograssion
eg. monks on 3000 deaths, can work on surviver title for this once in a life time opperunity. once he hits 3001 deaths he has permenantly failed the title.
or how about as an added bonus. Letting our character reset their deaths at 3 years old. This means that the people that will be three this year will be the oldest hence didnt have a chance at the title.
You could even make this feature permenant so then someone has to either restart their char or wait 3 years and keep their prograssion
Uber Mass
/notsigned
you died so you didnt survive
you died so you didnt survive
Mister Me
I think it's fine as it is^^
I have legendary survivor on my Ranger(Skillcapping till r2, then fff) and my monk(all fff), it's easy enough, just take hench for missions and quests and look for fff teams once you reached Lutgardis(now you just do HFFF)
Just bring healer hench. 
They should keep you alive easy enough...maybe I was lucky with both characters...dunno
I have legendary survivor on my Ranger(Skillcapping till r2, then fff) and my monk(all fff), it's easy enough, just take hench for missions and quests and look for fff teams once you reached Lutgardis(now you just do HFFF)
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They should keep you alive easy enough...maybe I was lucky with both characters...dunno
English Warrior
/notsigned if you rubber band your obviously taking a BIG risk farming survivor that way just do it the way most people do Lutgardis or Kilroy's Dungeon.
pumpkin pie
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I don't really care about the GWAMM, but I do enjoy 'completion'.
I'm getting all 1319 skill in a single character even when is no title for doing that. And I explored a lot before the Carthographer was added. And I got all Bonuses before Protector and... well... you get the drill... I love completion. |
exploring a lot before the cartographer title was added is a mistake !!! when the title was implemented, I already have 90%+ on one of my character, going back to look for those miss spots is a pain in the unmentionable region on this forum, she is now 99.3%, and I've recently discover that its not wall hugging I have to do..... its criss crossing the map and filling up the U map with red dots is the only way to do it..... without any outside help *coughcheattexmodcoughcheat*
oops, what I wanted to say is, if Anet allows *coughcheattexmodcoughcheat* then they better change the survival title to between death.
MithranArkanere
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/notsigned if you rubber band your obviously taking a BIG risk farming survivor that way just do it the way most people do Lutgardis or Kilroy's Dungeon.
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Do you ralize that without the high XP quests, like the Canthan quests, it just turns boring, repetitive and takes much more time?
.If you die you didn't survive: Remove it after the first death, then.
.Make another character: I don't care about other characters, I care about the ones I have.
.Re-roll: Guild Wars contemplates NO re-rolling. Even PvP rewards are cutomized for a character and you would lose them if you re-rolled.
.It would be easy to get by farming: It is already easy to get by farming, thanks to Factions, Eye of the North and the Tomes.
.It would allow to have both LDoA and Survivor: Make them exclusive between themselves, then.
.Stop QQ/Whining/Monane/Whatever: Grown up.
The point is that there is an 'easy to get' title that the characters we care about, the only ones we want them to have the title, can't get.
Age
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Originally Posted by Lord Chippo I suggest that the survivor title be changed so the experiance is counted between deaths and not from 0 deaths. This would allow old tryian chars and any other person who doesnt want to remake their char each time they die to go for it. |
Solas
With Possible HoM update it may seem like a nice time to bring this back into the spotlight.
This is not really making a title easier (The bulk of the time is spent in the same place)since the vast majority ( i would imagine) get off pre island and get ran to ludgardis.
Besides this is more effective then creating another thread like this and being told to use search.
This is not really making a title easier (The bulk of the time is spent in the same place)since the vast majority ( i would imagine) get off pre island and get ran to ludgardis.
Besides this is more effective then creating another thread like this and being told to use search.
Narcissia
/sign to change the title somehow so older chars can get it. dont really care how, just some way would be nice
Ghostcell
/notsigned
defeats the whole purpose of 'Survivor', seeing you didn't survive - you died and then had to try it again.
maybe give old characters (created before titles) a complete roll back (lvl 1, xp gone, skill points gone) so its the same as starting a new character.
just so all these people will stop QQing.
otherwise, get over it. its 1 title, its not going to wreck your life by not having 1 title on your main.
if they changed the title then it wouldn't be fair for all the people who got survivor the hard way (and not just getting to luts and hffing).
defeats the whole purpose of 'Survivor', seeing you didn't survive - you died and then had to try it again.
maybe give old characters (created before titles) a complete roll back (lvl 1, xp gone, skill points gone) so its the same as starting a new character.
just so all these people will stop QQing.
otherwise, get over it. its 1 title, its not going to wreck your life by not having 1 title on your main.
if they changed the title then it wouldn't be fair for all the people who got survivor the hard way (and not just getting to luts and hffing).
cosyfiep
/notsigned....it would be nice for some of the older characters to get the title however, that would mean a total revamp of the system....which mostlikely wont happen....
would rather them fix some other stuff than this one.
would rather them fix some other stuff than this one.
Dr.Jones
i think that they changed it to account based once you get rank 3 it would fix a lot of problems. with people who have the old ch also this title kind of got the prestige kicked out from under it yes it still is hard but it is entirely possible to farm it. (dwarven brawling)
Zahr Dalsk
/notsigned
Reroll your character or don't take the title. Not unless non-Tyrian characters can get a shot at LDoA.
Reroll your character or don't take the title. Not unless non-Tyrian characters can get a shot at LDoA.
Lord Hares
Ppl who tried to make survivor title and for any reason didn't make it have to make a new char to retry. Can be good for new char but for old char you worked on it you can't do anything
why don't add a /resetdeath command (or something like this) you can use only once a year to let you retry again ?
On GW, survivor title is the only thing you can't retry if you fail...
/signed for a mod
why don't add a /resetdeath command (or something like this) you can use only once a year to let you retry again ?
On GW, survivor title is the only thing you can't retry if you fail...
/signed for a mod
Solas
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defeats the whole purpose of 'Survivor', seeing you didn't survive - you died and then had to try it again. maybe give old characters (created before titles) a complete roll back (lvl 1, xp gone, skill points gone) so its the same as starting a new character. just so all these people will stop QQing. |
Cqan't really ermake a char if you spend 100+ hours on it can you?
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With the update that brought out the kurzick skills it actually Halved the faction needed to be donated and gave faction to your title by spending it on amber etc.
Kurzick and luxon are long title tracks, and to be halved like that must have annoyed alot of people but you can see that it made the title more realistic
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i think that they changed it to account based once you get rank 3 it would fix a lot of problems. with people who have the old ch also this title kind of got the prestige kicked out from under it yes it still is hard but it is entirely possible to farm it.
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That seems like a fair idea, its the same amount of effort required while also making it attainable to any char.
MithranArkanere
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/notsigned
Reroll your character or don't take the title. Not unless non-Tyrian characters can get a shot at LDoA. |
LDoA is something to look at too... but that's for another thread.