AoE Nerf: Overkill

You're playing the wrong game then. GW doesnt have a high level cap or uber weapons or armor to make you be more "special" than anyone else.

And where did I ever say PVP was PVE? I was just telling you that there's other content to do other than just farming over and over again....

soggybottom, the high level cap is 10 million faction donated, 10 thousand minutes drunk, etc.... those are some pretty high level caps. not to mention, kind of a big deal title. The drunk one cost alot of money that is the point of what he is saying.

I was talking about LEVEL caps not titles. Besides, my point was that he wanted a game where he could feel "special" and I told him that he's been playing the wrong game from the start.

Ya i think we get the point......

I wonder why people are so obssessed with having something better than the next guy.

I pick my armors and weapons based on how it looks on MY character. Not because its hard to get, or easy to get. I dont care what everyone else has, i dont care what anyone says. My gratification and satisfaction is seeing MY character wearing the armor that I chose.

This isnt a game problem. This is a self-esteem problem.

So SS and SoJ are two pointless elites?

yea thats the problem soggybottom, your talking about actual levels and he's talking about titles. he's beaten the game, mainy times, like i, 8 chars both chapters, one character of every primary only thing left for me is titles and my green collection till nightfall (can't wait). so lay off his fun of earning his title. cause once the dedicated fans beat the game a rediculous amount of times whats left but to collect and work on titles?

as a side note, i liked the 55 troll farming becuase it was a way for any one crappy or elite to earn money at a regular rate and not have to worry about the luck of a rare drop.

Please read my previous posts to him and stop coming into a middle of discussion without knowing what's going on. He said he wanted to quit because he cant farm anymore and because he cant feel special. So I tell him there's a whole new chapter out, so how can titles and farming be the only content left for him?

Seriously, Nightfall comes out in a few hours and you farmers are complaining that there's nothing else to do other than to farm? Come on...

All solo farmers here keep saying that nothing has changed for them, only takes more time... What about small teams?

We used to duo UW with my guildie (monk and SS) just because we loved it; it was a good fun, every trip down there was a small challenge -- rounding the enemies, trying to aggro them in a different way every time; the excitement of opening a new chest; a nice bonus if an ecto dropped for any of us. I loved it really, it was a nice clean fun for half an hour; I enjoyed SSing the monsters 'cos I was doing it well.

With the new AI and the enemies breaking aggro, such duoing now is impossible. Yeah, quite likely that new builds and workarounds will be devised eventually; but I really don't appreciate that an innocent entertainment has been taken away from us -- "casual" players who spend 1-2 hours or less per day in the game and want just to PLAY around.

euh... ther is uber armor: FoW, and uber weapon: crystalline

you are right, that was some1 else, my bad and im sorry for it.

a new chapter is gonna be awesome yes, and i love pvp... i will most likely finish it within 3 days (dont have a job or school atm :P) but then what? as i said before... why play a game if you cant become anymore special than those 2 million other ppl playing?

btw sorry to all the people who hate me cos im repeating all of my statements 10 times, and doing that quite annoyingly...

Hi,

Is this where I post about the Monster AI that makes it a point to only engage my warriors? I've been PvEing for about three hours now, and every fight has involved practically all damage being directed at my two tanks. At one point, I accidentally pulled three spawns (I was running around the Jade Sea), but because all aggro was directed at my two tanks, Guardian + Prot Spirit and the occasional Life Barrier was enough to handle all of it.

Not really sure what's up.

Is this what the PvE is supposed to be like now?

Nah, I saw a SoJ flag runner is obs mode the other day..lol.

Anyway..Are we to the point where its becoming hard to enjoy this game without PvP? I mean..if you play through the story a few times..don't want to Pvp..what else is there? Farming for cool stuff was pretty much it. You can only do the same missions so many times imo. I don't think any improvements in AI will make them that much more replayable.

Meh, who knows. Farming is more meh than it was..but since all I need money for were skill caps and weapon/armor sets, I guess I don't need to farm anyway.

You have absolutely now clue, do you? You think that just because you don't enjoy a certain aspect of the game that it should be taken away from everyone else. Talk about a selfish person. People farming took nothing away from anyone else and only added to their own enjoyment of the game. Guild Wars severly lacks in storyline and needs farming to keep the hardcore players going until the next chapter. I've finished prophecies and factions with 8 characters on my main account. I have every skill unlocked and have a PVE toon for each class, each with all of their primary skills. I actively play GvG and HA. RA, TA, and AB don't really interest me because of poorly skilled players and the poorly made structure of them. Is that enough "playing the game" to meet your standards?

So whats the problem with having farming as a side job in the game? Are you jealous that you aren't able to obtain all the precious shinys when others are? Or do you simply detest the fact that someone else might actually be enjoying themselves with something that you so obviously detest?

I'm getting so sick of all the people who use the argument that we should go figure out new ways to farm. Look, I'm all for alternate ways of farming. It adds spice to the game when there are many builds that I can try out. Unfortunately, the nerf has limited the number of ways that we can farm. I used to be able to switch builds and jump all over the continents to farm different areas. It was great because I didn't get bored nearly as quickly. But with the new nerfed AI, it is simply not feasible to farm in the majority of the areas in the game.

I'd like to know how much these fanboys have actually tested out the AI before they came onto these forums waving their Arenanet flags and praising Anet for a poorly made decision. I have actually tried out several of my old farming builds. It really doesn't matter what skill I'm using. Whether it be cyclone axe, SoJ, SS, sliver armor, riposte, glads defense, or barrage, the result is still the same. The newly crapified AI creatures run away when they get hurt. What kind of monsters are these, anyway? Monsters aren't supposed to be smart. That's why they wander around the shiverpeaks all day and chase anything which gets into their vision. Had an improved AI been added to just the humanoid enemies (improved doesn't mean running away like idiots) then I would be more accepting of the idea but trying to make trolls smarter is just dumb. Anet failed even to accomplish this. Running 10 feet away and standing still until they heal isn't smarter. It actually makes them look much less intelligent.

/agree

ppffffff if u cant figure out a 55 build outa this u must be retarted and since most of u cant ima just keep mine to myself. TY BRAIN!

I hope this is sarcastic.

Wow, a few long paragraphs of ranting and yet your anger was misdirected at me for the wrong reasons. Did I ever say that people shouldnt farm? Did I say that farming should be taken away?

And please, feel free to shower me with petty insults of being jealous and all that crap. My point was to all the people saying that they're quitting because they cant farm. The point is that there's more to GW life than farming.

So Winkgood, I suggest you calm down and keep your insults to yourself. It's just a game for crying out loud. No need to blow a gasket over this.

I thought of 2 ways to exploit the AoE scatter!

1. Weaken Knees. A constant KD for using AoE. I like it.

2. Criticals. When an enemy is flessing, it's a guranteed crit. Abuse it.

I think this is exactly the problem. Its not the fact that GW nerfed a lot of the farming - but that the game lacks enough content post end-game to keep hardcore players playing. I don't know if it could really be stated any better - but I think this is the pain that a lot of people feel. We don't mind not being able to farm - but give us something to do otherwise. And I don 't mean charging me $50 - $90 for every new chapter that is, essentially, a bunch of new FedEx quests. (i.e. Run here, kill things, run back, complete quest - rinse and repeat.) This is why I will not buy NF - and I don't know how much I will play GW anymore because there just isn't anything to do anymore.

Think about all those poor lil barrage rangers..

People aren't quitting because of farming, its because prestige items such as Foe and golds, + drunken type titles will no longer be attainable without massive massive amounts of grind. I want my 15k armor to look cool.
Is that too much to ask? Not having to grind for a month or more to look cool?I am not going to play this game that says it has less grind than other games when i can go make a cool looking character in another game and actually get it done with out the frustration of bunny rabbit monsters

Also this Nerf" didn't do anything more than make farming more boring than it already is. It actually made it easier to stay alive for VwK rits..

ATM the whole AI change is pointless, it doesn't add anything, makes it More frustrating for people who farm minimally ( only up to 50k or so at most any given time) like me. Now i can't get enough gold to even unlock skills without playing through the same early story line 5 or 6 times.

It doesn't make the game more "challenging" if that was the point, just longer, already in many missions one has to slog through monsters for over an hour with no drops ( yay for the no drops in party system we have here at GW) to complete many late game missions. shiver peaks is a wonderful example of this. theres no point, I'll probably play through NF, and then move on to a game were theres actually something to do after i beat the campaign.

OMFG. Anet just have to nerf everything. I'm so pissed grrrrrrrr. How the hell do they expect us to make monye to by 15k armor and such. If anet are gonna keep nerfing evertything i swear im quiting GW. I dont see what the problem was so they changed it. The economy was good imo. *sigh*. At this rate GW is gonna lose a whole bunch of players me being one of them. I already a lot of ppl who are quiting.

The problem with a number of the AoE changes (not all of them) is that they make eles very, very useless, and Tanks very, very useless. And by tanks I mean tanks, not warriors. Why? Ele -> spell -> breaks aggro -> dead squishies. A very, very large number of ele spells have some form of AoE. All those spells are now causing scatter and aggro breaking, making tanks ineffective. What are eles suppose to do now? Spam flare? It doesn't matter HOW much damage eles deal, if we break aggro, our group on many high lvl maps is as good as dead.

Actually that didn't happen to me when I PVEd after the update. My ele was still getting in AOE damage (fireball, rodgort's invocation, meteor shower) in unwaking waters explorable. When the enemies do try to flee, the hench warriors actually managed to re-engage them. Made unwaking waters explorable much easier to clear actually, those improved henchies... I accidently aggroed 3 grps at once and the henchies could still keep up. This is OOT from farming of course.

actually, yes, it seems that way.
PVE has become ridiculously easy. As a caster I can't even get aggro on myself. I tried, stood right next to the warrior and beckoned to those my soft squishy necro.

Nope, they go straight for the war. They don't even try to spike me anymore those darn eles in fow. In fow again right now, it's ridiculously easy, monks are horribly bored, shadow monks just all group up and die so fast under shower + ss aoe it's not even funny



pve AI is in need of some serious tweaking.

What I wanna no is why are there aoe skills if they are useless!?

To make you waste energy and get your team in trouble.

AI is broken not nerfed: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10067507


wait for an update to fix the bugs then complain.

So...

They made AI's target the higheset AL, while also making them smarter to not clump up together during AoE attacks...

Seems like a solution to get rid of farming

Personally, I like it. Want to earn some money? Go do some group runs instead of just soloing alone. I mean, it is an MMORPG game. Why play by yourself when there are thousands of other players to play with?

ALSO

This AoE nerf will soon allow single-damaging professions to become much more popular, such as assassins, mesmers, and elementalists that ARENT fire =D

im sorry Guardian of the Light but the Update Notes at the Official Guild Wars Website says so:

until they revert the AI to react to AoE as it was before this update I am NOT buying Nightfall, and neither are 23 people I know so far. if anet thinks they can nerf the fun out of this game, the reason why people play it in the first place, then we can nerf anet's income stream as well.

Well u see Shane not everyone likes or wants to do group pve. The reason WHY u solo or do 2 man is to get more loot which is why ur farming am i right?
Sooo if u do 8 man uw to get 5 ectos will take ATLEAST 4 time longer than 2 man. And whats the problem with that u ask? The problem is that i dont have hours and hours to play just so i can get 15k armor.

Thats why i think that anet should make gw like it was before. Farming 2 man was fun for me, it was fun to just conquer uw 2 man. 8 man is just stupid because there will always be that idiot who aggroes everything.

I think that either anet severly lowers the prices of armor(fow armor is basically impossible to get now unless u play gw like its ur life?) or change it back.

wow ty for the advice, let us all farm UW as a 8 ppl team spending hours to finish and may not even get a single ecto or good drop...niiiiice

if they wanted to kill farming give decent PvE rewards maybe? a few plat for every quest in "dungeon places"?

idk, its their job to think of something, but whats the point of making FoW and other 15k armors when you get 5g a kill on a team? ¬¬

glad i found a way to solo and duo UW still...but its way too much trouble..and mobs running do not make it harder, just slower and damn ANNOYING! why make this game annoying ffs? reason why nobody wanted many of the fire ele spells is: mobs running, now if you tickle them they will run! thats BS...

So they act like real being and you're upset?

Im pretty sure the update/NF will decrease realtime interaction due to the advent of the Hero system, which allows for less people to do missions. secondly, without getting into another lengthy rant on why farming isnt the evil people make it out to be, going with group runs, unless there is another update, will not make you very much due to the fact that you have to split loot, etc. *sigh* I really hope Anet listens to the PvE community instead of Pvp and reverts the AI. until then, ill tool around with nightfall because i preordered it, but i will definitly be rocking out with Scarface or old school Deus Ex (ftw!!!!!!!)

Exatcly with Heros PUGS are dead extecpt for people without the skill to work with heros and henchies.

i still have to see a real battle with soldiers running around everywhere when they get bitten by a rat..or maybe a wild cat ¬¬

and even the "coward" ppl in PvP wont run nearly as much...

Yet another post threatening to quit despite the massive update with new features and content and for what? A tweak to the AI reacting to AOE? Do you even care about the brand spanking new chapter coming out?

So someone tell me again how I was wrong in saying you're all overreacting.

USD50 for the 20 mission in Elona is not worth it. I can get my 5 characters across that by the new year. then me and a large chunk of people in this game will be bored again. farming is the only real end game for pve. try putting yourself in our shoes before you say overreacting. lets see what you'll be doing in january.

better spend the USD50 on some other game

its not just a "tweak" as you describe it. its a pretty big change which eliminates a major part of the game for a lot of people. yes theres new content with NF and the update, but if theres no farming then the replay value is pretty limited. it doesnt take very long to beat the campaign for either prophecies or factions, and after that, without farming, what is there to do? pvp? no thanks,ppl take it too seriously and im not competive enough in my online gaming to care. collect titles? id like to see you try to have the financial backing necessary to do it without efficient farming. basically made post-game play a lot more limited, also made me a lot less likely to sit around waiting till the next chapter comes out so i can blow another USD 50 on it.

Medieval total war II comes out soon, i think they might be getting my 50 bucks

Everything you said, well, is what I was going to say.