The END to Farming Melee based monsters...
stiffler
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Originally Posted by yo home boi
With all these ppl complaining i wouldnt be surprised if Anet changed the nerf back? I hope so ^^
They would have to, only way to fix the market. Who the hell will be getting Obsidian Armor now, no one thats who. They may as well take Obsidian away for good.
yo home boi
Im so gutted i saved for 15k NF armours instead of my 2nd pieace of FoW ='(
Shuuda
Ok, thing like trolls and Vermin didn't need to be nerfed, cause everyone needs some form of income. But UW solo, did need nerfing, it's just silly to me that a place that is meant to be hard, can be done with only 2 people. Personaly I think that Anet should add another way of earning an income without that kind of farming.
Sophitia Leafblade
I think its a very good thing, It should stop alot more Bots, which were getting so damn common and annoying and hopefully persaude people to farm less and quest more, i sure we all know of at least 1 person who just spends all there time farming who has missed out large chunks of missions, and have never bothered with the titan quests etc. Granted Money gain is kinda low on Gw but Questing in Factions and i imagine in Nf too increased somewhat so u can still afford 15k armour etc. And if ur really obsessed with wanting the deliberatly expensive FoW armour just deal with it, its not meant to be easy to get after all.
Riotgear
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Originally Posted by stiffler
They would have to, only way to fix the market. Who the hell will be getting Obsidian Armor now, no one thats who. They may as well take Obsidian away for good.
Or you could just wait, oh, a week or two and watch new farm builds pop up. Adapt! Get creative! That's what I'm doing.
I like how people are likening this to some sort of catastrophe because.... ZOMG... How will anyone get their FoW and Obsidian armor!? Maybe you won't and you'll just have to settle for 15k? I dunno.
I like how people are likening this to some sort of catastrophe because.... ZOMG... How will anyone get their FoW and Obsidian armor!? Maybe you won't and you'll just have to settle for 15k? I dunno.
Kidney Licker
Yay, the return of UW trapping teams.
There was ecto farming before the dual UW teams.
There was ecto farming before the dual UW teams.
yo home boi
Wen i first started gw and seen FoW armour i made it my objective to get it full now 9 months on i have the helm ^^ and im still gona get it!
stiffler
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Originally Posted by Riotgear
Or you could just wait, oh, a week or two and watch new farm builds pop up. Adapt! Get creative! That's what I'm doing.
I like how people are likening this to some sort of catastrophe because.... ZOMG... How will anyone get their FoW and Obsidian armor!? Maybe you won't and you'll just have to settle for 15k? I dunno. For your infomation I use original builds not mainstream rubbish like 55 crap.
I like how people are likening this to some sort of catastrophe because.... ZOMG... How will anyone get their FoW and Obsidian armor!? Maybe you won't and you'll just have to settle for 15k? I dunno. For your infomation I use original builds not mainstream rubbish like 55 crap.
Cebe
This is an utterly cruel thing to do...especially since for the most part this game forces you to farm. I agree with anyone who makes this statement...because you can't get enough money and materials for, say, 15k armor by playing normally through the game. You don't just happen to fall over the "leet money" you need to buy that perfect weapon.
Well I got my moneys worth out of my Mesmer's Vengeful Echo build and, also I can still farm the Wajjun Bazaar reasonably well so not too bad. But I agree with Riotgear...someone will develop a new uber farming build...there are new skills after all. It's just a matter of time. There may be an ever better build available - just waiting to be found.
So yea, it's disappointing for now but it's not all that bad atm... If no new farming builds become available in the next 2-3 weeks I'll start to get a little disappointed!
Well I got my moneys worth out of my Mesmer's Vengeful Echo build and, also I can still farm the Wajjun Bazaar reasonably well so not too bad. But I agree with Riotgear...someone will develop a new uber farming build...there are new skills after all. It's just a matter of time. There may be an ever better build available - just waiting to be found.
So yea, it's disappointing for now but it's not all that bad atm... If no new farming builds become available in the next 2-3 weeks I'll start to get a little disappointed!
Shuuda
Like I said early, Anet need to start giving good money from things other than soloing, like prize money for winning AB, or RA etc, or money for doing missions.
annachie
crying and more crying
if only ppl didnt copy-paste every fkin build and started using their own brain, the world would be a better place.
if only ppl didnt copy-paste every fkin build and started using their own brain, the world would be a better place.
stiffler
Lol I love it how people think its just the builds that have been nerfed.
ITS THE DROPS. You can make as many new builds as you want you still wont get any good drops.
ITS THE DROPS. You can make as many new builds as you want you still wont get any good drops.
Xeupo
I am glad Anet decided to refresh the game and make the beasts out there a little bit more intelligent.
I am not an fow farmer, however, and the areas I farm are uneffected by this change. (I have seen perhaps 1 or 2 critters run away to heal but that occurred before the update) It is just a matter of changing the farming fodder.
That said, noticed the update states that the critters will not run if they think their target is near death. One possible change for farming is the create farming builds that rely on increasing damage when health is below 50%
I am not an fow farmer, however, and the areas I farm are uneffected by this change. (I have seen perhaps 1 or 2 critters run away to heal but that occurred before the update) It is just a matter of changing the farming fodder.
That said, noticed the update states that the critters will not run if they think their target is near death. One possible change for farming is the create farming builds that rely on increasing damage when health is below 50%
annachie
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Originally Posted by stiffler
Lol I love it how people think its just the builds that have been nerfed.
ITS THE DROPS. You can make as many new builds as you want you still wont get any good drops. the drops my ass, i just did a rune farm and i still got the same gold+purple drops than usual.
ITS THE DROPS. You can make as many new builds as you want you still wont get any good drops. the drops my ass, i just did a rune farm and i still got the same gold+purple drops than usual.
Kakumei
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Originally Posted by Bloodied Blade
You know, you could sue with a good lawyer... Taking fees for a product and then altering its contents after the deal could be considered almost fraudulent.
Knowing this forum, I'm tempted to believe you're being serious, but there's no way anyone could be this dumb.
Nestaron
Can't say i'm bothered tbh... Just gives me more reason to use my Trapper Ranger for UW, Trolls and Mino's... I find trapping way more fun than 55 anyway...
yo home boi
Trapping FTW *cough*
stiffler
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Originally Posted by annachie
the drops my ass, i just did a rune farm and i still got the same gold+purple drops than usual.
So did I and the best out of 5 runs was 1 purple assassin rune, and it aint just me. Everyone in the guild didn't believe me so they went in and tried it, guess what? they got nothing after a few runs. Maybe you got lucky.
LiamR
It took me 15 mins to do the big group of vermin. 1.5k in 15 mins. whee.
heroajax1
After hearing about this "nerf" I went to elona's reach and to farm some vermin. Nothing's changed. Just takes a bit longer. Really this update simply nerfed "bots." That's it real players will easily adapt to these changes.
yo home boi
lol man no offence that aint to good.... i used to get 14k every 10mins uw smite runs
Riotgear
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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver
there are new skills after all. It's just a matter of time.
It's not even that there are new skills, it's just that there are enough places with huge groups of monsters all operating on a single concept, and plenty of skill combos to turn you practically invincible against at least some of them.
Another interesting note, the AI is buggy, and it seems like it may be patternable into even worse exploits. How much worse? How about one person spectating one of my troll farm tests got too close. The troll pack ran back and forth between the two of us, not attacking, until he ran out of range, then they all ran up to me and got in melee range. They didn't attack, move, or do anything for the rest of the run. They just stood there while I blasted them to death.
Another interesting note, the AI is buggy, and it seems like it may be patternable into even worse exploits. How much worse? How about one person spectating one of my troll farm tests got too close. The troll pack ran back and forth between the two of us, not attacking, until he ran out of range, then they all ran up to me and got in melee range. They didn't attack, move, or do anything for the rest of the run. They just stood there while I blasted them to death.
Karmaniac
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Originally Posted by heroajax1
After hearing about this "nerf" I went to elona's reach and to farm some vermin. Nothing's changed. Just takes a bit longer. Really this update simply nerfed "bots." That's it real players will easily adapt to these changes.
Get your facts straight. If players will be able to do it bots will soon follow. So why make us miserable?
Tommy
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Originally Posted by Karmaniac
Get your facts straight. If players will be able to do it bots will soon follow. So why make us miserable?
omg, none of the chinese farmers are bots.. they are all human! they just can't understand what you are saying. and they are not so good a gamer, what do you expect for 1 cent per hour labor? they can only repeat the same move again and again like the workers working with assembly line... they can't speak Any English or do anything other than repeating the same action... talk to them in Chinese and they will reply.geeze, you guys keep complaing about chinese farmers ruining the game but if they dont farm gold in games they will starve to death in real life... guys have some mercy
we are saving the chinese race by letting them farm in GW.
haven' they suffered enough in life? we dont have to ebay but just let them do w/e they want so they can feed their family and themselves. we can think this way, our complain is like killing them and their whole family... GW is a just game, they farm or not dont really effect our game playing. we dont encourage ppl ebay but they dont have to destroy their family and lives for a mmorpg right? Anet needs to hire a Chinese speaking GM to communicate with the chinese farmers, simply banning everyone who dont speak English and nerfing skills that they use aint a good idea.
we are saving the chinese race by letting them farm in GW.haven' they suffered enough in life? we dont have to ebay but just let them do w/e they want so they can feed their family and themselves. we can think this way, our complain is like killing them and their whole family... GW is a just game, they farm or not dont really effect our game playing. we dont encourage ppl ebay but they dont have to destroy their family and lives for a mmorpg right? Anet needs to hire a Chinese speaking GM to communicate with the chinese farmers, simply banning everyone who dont speak English and nerfing skills that they use aint a good idea.
Thanas
I'm still farming smites with my warrior. Not much has changed. I just let my health stay at around 50% and they think they can kill me, so they keep attacking me. I also make sure I don't drain all their energy, that also makes them run.
Tommy
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Originally Posted by Thanas
I'm still farming smites with my warrior. Not much has changed. I just let my health stay at around 50% and they think they can kill me, so they keep attacking me. I also make sure I don't drain all their energy, that also makes them run.
how do you deal with the axxtas? wont they keey chasing you?
Sertu
whats that smell *sniffs around*
smells like ....
a whiner.
If farming is the only fun u have, than wtf are u waiting for go buy lineage or some other grinding game.
smells like ....
a whiner.
If farming is the only fun u have, than wtf are u waiting for go buy lineage or some other grinding game.
Sertu
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Originally Posted by Tommy
omg, none of the chinese farmers are bots.. they are all human! they just can't understand what you are saying. and they are not so good a gamer, what do you expect for 1 cent per hour labor? they can only repeat the same move again and again like the workers working with assembly line... they can't speak Any English or do anything other than repeating the same action... talk to them in Chinese and they will reply.geeze, you guys keep complaing about chinese farmers ruining the game but if they dont farm gold in games they will starve to death in real life... guys have some mercy we are saving the chinese race by letting them farm in GW.
haven' they suffered enough in life? we dont have to ebay but just let them do w/e they want so they can feed their family and themselves. we can think this way, our complain is like killing them and their whole family... GW is a just game, they farm or not dont really effect our game playing. we dont encourage ppl ebay but they dont have to destroy their family and lives for a mmorpg right? Anet needs to hire a Chinese speaking GM to communicate with the chinese farmers, simply banning everyone who dont speak English and nerfing skills that they use aint a good idea. if they can affort a pc and GW and internet then they can affort food. And if they are starving then they better go find a job instead of playing games while there children are starving. None of what u are saying makes sence. See for the price of internet and a pc they could feed there family a year...
we are saving the chinese race by letting them farm in GW.haven' they suffered enough in life? we dont have to ebay but just let them do w/e they want so they can feed their family and themselves. we can think this way, our complain is like killing them and their whole family... GW is a just game, they farm or not dont really effect our game playing. we dont encourage ppl ebay but they dont have to destroy their family and lives for a mmorpg right? Anet needs to hire a Chinese speaking GM to communicate with the chinese farmers, simply banning everyone who dont speak English and nerfing skills that they use aint a good idea. if they can affort a pc and GW and internet then they can affort food. And if they are starving then they better go find a job instead of playing games while there children are starving. None of what u are saying makes sence. See for the price of internet and a pc they could feed there family a year...
annachie
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Originally Posted by Sertu
whats that smell *sniffs around*
smells like ....
a whiner.
If farming is the only fun u have, than wtf are u waiting for go buy lineage or some other grinding game. haha, yea, it sure stinks!!
smells like ....
a whiner.
If farming is the only fun u have, than wtf are u waiting for go buy lineage or some other grinding game. haha, yea, it sure stinks!!
RaisetheFish
This is good in some cases...Less people Farming = More people in random missions...
Notice how hard it is to get a full team now and days?
Good Job ANET!!!!
Notice how hard it is to get a full team now and days?Good Job ANET!!!!
king_robin
I used to farm alot but after 6 month of farming IT SUCKS. BORING SAME S"#T all the time. For those who loves to farm and nothing else to do. As the Sertu said : "than wtf are u waiting for go buy lineage or some other grinding game."
SO AGREE, rather Play PvP
Edit: Maybe I can get my Protector of Tyrian or Protector of Cantha now ^^
SO AGREE, rather Play PvP
Edit: Maybe I can get my Protector of Tyrian or Protector of Cantha now ^^
heroajax1
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Originally Posted by Karmaniac
Get your facts straight. If players will be able to do it bots will soon follow. So why make us miserable?
What facts? 
Everything here is simply whining and speculation.
I just completed another Elona's run and started a short run of Prophet's Path hydras. Nothing's really that different. The only difference is you have to watch spamming aoe spells. That's it. Using SoJ, and SoJ only, they don't run away. When I combo SoJ with Zealot's Fire and spam enchantments, they run. Just like they did before. The difference is that unlike yesterday, they stay away for a little bit. They come back. They still attack. They still die. Farming still works. Get over it and go make some money. 
Everything here is simply whining and speculation.
I just completed another Elona's run and started a short run of Prophet's Path hydras. Nothing's really that different. The only difference is you have to watch spamming aoe spells. That's it. Using SoJ, and SoJ only, they don't run away. When I combo SoJ with Zealot's Fire and spam enchantments, they run. Just like they did before. The difference is that unlike yesterday, they stay away for a little bit. They come back. They still attack. They still die. Farming still works. Get over it and go make some money.
King's Spectre
I tried a few things last night. Touch ranger seems to work fine. My warrior and monk builds worked ok, but slow.
Builds that focus on picking off one target at a time may do well in the weeks ahead.
Builds that focus on picking off one target at a time may do well in the weeks ahead.
monty123
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Originally Posted by Sertu
if they can affort a pc and GW and internet then they can affort food. And if they are starving then they better go find a job instead of playing games while there children are starving. None of what u are saying makes sence. See for the price of internet and a pc they could feed there family a year...
They don't pay for it. They work in a sweat shop, where they just go in and work for 12 hours a day @ 4 cents an hour. They can't find a better job, there's no minimum wage there, and also they might not be qualified for that job. It does make sense because it's true.
Although there are bots out there, more of them are chinese farmers.
Although there are bots out there, more of them are chinese farmers.
sno
If you think about the basis of the game, all of pve is an attempt to simulate pvp. monster ai is meant to be the same as human intelligence, and as you progress through the game monsters become harder, until you reach the pinnacle (end-game) and progress into pvp. "Farming" was never an intended part of the game, only an inevidable outcome as many gamers are greedy and feel the need to have more of something than the average joe, regardless of how meaningless that something may be.
One or two people were never supposed to simply equip a certain skillbar which makes them invincible to any monsters in a given area, it's simply not what Guild Wars is about. Fortunately for all the whiners, there will be people out there creating new builds to farm even more useless gold (now that pvp creation is equal or better than anything you can get in pve, gold is really quite useless.) Soon enough you'll be able to come on this very forum and copy another skillset that with a very minute bit of skill will allow you to kill many high-level enemies in a short time. You will then repeat this process until your eyes bleed, because to you, change is bad. Having 100% control of the outcome is necessary for some people, which is understandable but not acceptable.
The way I see it there are two rational reasons that people want to stay in pve (and not progress to pvp.) First (and most common I think) people are very lazy, and don't want to actually make the effort to become skilled. They want to bash infinitely less intelligent things simply because they can and it fills their head with epeen. They're the ones that are upset at this nerf, since all that happened is that the monsters became smarter. Second, and much more rare, there are the people that want to avoid the rage and stupidity that human players inevidably bring to the game. This one is understandable, however this update does nothing but help those players. With smarter AI, pve-specific players can still develope a nuance of skill while completely avoiding all human contact (enter: "heroes".)
So really, if you think about it... This update could very well be the best thing to ever happen to Guild Wars, at least for the very short time before people learn how to exploit AI yet again.
Less Crying Is Key, kThx.
One or two people were never supposed to simply equip a certain skillbar which makes them invincible to any monsters in a given area, it's simply not what Guild Wars is about. Fortunately for all the whiners, there will be people out there creating new builds to farm even more useless gold (now that pvp creation is equal or better than anything you can get in pve, gold is really quite useless.) Soon enough you'll be able to come on this very forum and copy another skillset that with a very minute bit of skill will allow you to kill many high-level enemies in a short time. You will then repeat this process until your eyes bleed, because to you, change is bad. Having 100% control of the outcome is necessary for some people, which is understandable but not acceptable.
The way I see it there are two rational reasons that people want to stay in pve (and not progress to pvp.) First (and most common I think) people are very lazy, and don't want to actually make the effort to become skilled. They want to bash infinitely less intelligent things simply because they can and it fills their head with epeen. They're the ones that are upset at this nerf, since all that happened is that the monsters became smarter. Second, and much more rare, there are the people that want to avoid the rage and stupidity that human players inevidably bring to the game. This one is understandable, however this update does nothing but help those players. With smarter AI, pve-specific players can still develope a nuance of skill while completely avoiding all human contact (enter: "heroes".)
So really, if you think about it... This update could very well be the best thing to ever happen to Guild Wars, at least for the very short time before people learn how to exploit AI yet again.
Less Crying Is Key, kThx.
ToxicWasted
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Originally Posted by sno
..Long Post..
Funny to see someone who made 7M exp calling others greedy and exploiters...
Amity and Truth
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Originally Posted by sno
PVP versus PVE Bashing Post
It's easy to put people into categorys like:
Everyone that likes the AI update is a smart player
Everyone that does not like the AI Update is a moron
Thanks for joining in on the flamefest, naturally i'd expect a lot more from a moderator
I'll give you a third option. Some people don't like PVP at all. *Gasp* Yep, those are out there too and they are quite a few. That doesn't make them morons or less intelligent beings or idiotic people who just bash buttons. Interesting enough, they're also paying for the very same servers the PVP lot is playing on! *gasp* yes that means they're equal to you, to me, to anyone that is playing Guildwars. Yes, yes. Sad but true, they're not some kind of subhuman being.
But meh... why even discuss on that matter? You know, i'm playing PVE so i'm a "whiner" and just too lazy for everyting
. Stupid categorys never work in your favor. And the even more stupid PVP>PVE Argument has been beaten to death. Some like PVE, some like PVP. Nope, none of the both sides is any better than the other or anymore skilled than the other. They're just as skilled in other things, enjoying different things, viewing at things differently.
Everyone that likes the AI update is a smart player
Everyone that does not like the AI Update is a moron
Thanks for joining in on the flamefest, naturally i'd expect a lot more from a moderator
I'll give you a third option. Some people don't like PVP at all. *Gasp* Yep, those are out there too and they are quite a few. That doesn't make them morons or less intelligent beings or idiotic people who just bash buttons. Interesting enough, they're also paying for the very same servers the PVP lot is playing on! *gasp* yes that means they're equal to you, to me, to anyone that is playing Guildwars. Yes, yes. Sad but true, they're not some kind of subhuman being.
But meh... why even discuss on that matter? You know, i'm playing PVE so i'm a "whiner" and just too lazy for everyting
. Stupid categorys never work in your favor. And the even more stupid PVP>PVE Argument has been beaten to death. Some like PVE, some like PVP. Nope, none of the both sides is any better than the other or anymore skilled than the other. They're just as skilled in other things, enjoying different things, viewing at things differently.
sage tank
Guys, i believe that this update is very logical, if they do not improve AI and let the farm fest continue, when hero comes out, I can just easily farm UW with a hero 55 or hero SS using ONE character. You guys ever thought about that?. anyway, I'm just saying, Anet take away one thing and give us another. Anyway, I cant wait till hero farm. I'm gonna try making 4 man team build for farming fow MYSELF. I'll probably bond, take 1 healer, 1 warrior, 1 SS.
man life is so much easier when you dont have noob PUG in your group
man life is so much easier when you dont have noob PUG in your group
Batou of Nine
First of all, we all need to remember that this new update is still highly buggy. Half or more of the changes in Guild Wars are not working correctly or are emitting effects that were not expected/purposed.
This carries over that the AI crazyness may not be permanent. Some people don't seem to even SEE any of the farming vs melee effects, and others don't see any changes in monster behavior to AoE ... And still some do.
For example, in this thread alone there are several people that say Minotaurs are still farmable (some say its just a bit slower), some say Vermin are still farmable, still others report Vermin retreating at low health... Even Spiteful Spirit is being reported as sperratic results such as it now triggering the AoE effect, while others say they STILL use Spiteful Spirit without any troubles...
These varying results should tell us one thing, the monster AI in this update has changed, yet is by NO means finalized. I don't think people should throw up their arms in fustration yet. Wait a few days, maybe a full week after Nightfall release, THEN after additional update changes/fixes have come your decisions and conclusions can be justified.
Here's Hopin' !!
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Originally Posted by Spadas Datum
This carries over that the AI crazyness may not be permanent. Some people don't seem to even SEE any of the farming vs melee effects, and others don't see any changes in monster behavior to AoE ... And still some do.
For example, in this thread alone there are several people that say Minotaurs are still farmable (some say its just a bit slower), some say Vermin are still farmable, still others report Vermin retreating at low health... Even Spiteful Spirit is being reported as sperratic results such as it now triggering the AoE effect, while others say they STILL use Spiteful Spirit without any troubles...
These varying results should tell us one thing, the monster AI in this update has changed, yet is by NO means finalized. I don't think people should throw up their arms in fustration yet. Wait a few days, maybe a full week after Nightfall release, THEN after additional update changes/fixes have come your decisions and conclusions can be justified.
Here's Hopin' !!
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sad batou sad, oh well, since it's gonna be harder to make up cash now, I think it's time you really donate to me, =), guild buddy.
Ya ya ya, So you finally decided to come out of hiding, eh Spardo?
I'll donate to you only if i get ALL your item drops for the next month in Nightfall. LOLZ!!
Cheers!!
I'll donate to you only if i get ALL your item drops for the next month in Nightfall. LOLZ!!
Cheers!!
Arabian_Night
In another attempt to create an egalitarian playing enviroment, a-net has effectively nerfed what is, in my opinion, one of the most fun aspects of the game. By changing melee enemy AI, in order to have them run away, they have effectively killed the possibilites for solo farming much of the game. This is apparantly a response to bot farmers and farming companies, who sell in game money for real money. That is understandable, however, the vast majority of people who farm are not bot farmers or part of one of those companies. They are people like me, who enjoy making money and buying items, which fuels the in game capitalist market of guild wars. Gaining money from farming isn't even against the princibles of keeping the game equal, as max weapons and armor can be purchased at very low prices, and only their appearance changes with added money. For example, I recently earned enough money in game to purchase an obsidian executioners helm for my warrior. I could have bought the same thing for much less money, but with a less attractive skin. Asthetics do not change gameplay, and are therefore not comprimising the equality which guild wars attempts to posses. So a-net just removed part of the gaming experience that so many players have come to enjoy, and I honestly can see it coming back to haunt them. Once you have beaten the campaigns (which I did on both my characters before I began farming) the replay value of the game is reduced. Who wants to play the same thing again? Nobody, and I think that GW will honestly lose members over this change. Not everyone likes the PvP parts of the game. Many don't even play it at all, but are instead working towards that next piece of cool looking armor, or that max sephis axe, or some other item they would like, and after this, their possiblities to get those possessions will deminish drastically. I believe, that with this update, GW has taken their quest for equality one step too farm, and will begin to lose membership over it. I suggest that this change is reversed, and different steps taken against botters and farming companies, in order to ensure a fun, and equal, playing enviroment for all. Sorry about the rant, but I went to do a matuu keep run and was going crazy when I realized what was happening.