The END to Farming Melee based monsters...
lambda the great
Have any of you guys tried farming without Cyclone axe?
The Prince
I was wondering at the intent of the change to the AI. I agree with any update that gives more of a challenge in PvE, but i think the update was a bit far reaching. I dont agree with changing completely the way game economics works due to the sharp drop in farming until new methods are developed or everyone builds a trap ranger. so what if some people have ridiculously expensive crystalline swords and obsidian armor? you get the same stats from weapon upgrades and droks armor anyways. while i understand Anet doesnt want people making money off of their game, this update severly limits the average players ability to make any money, and unless they slash 15k armor prices then whats to stop people from spending 50 bucks to get 1000k gold from a commerical farmer so they can get what they want for their character?
on a different note, ive been hearing some praise in-game about how glad people are that pve is a lot more like pvp. if us pve'ers wanted it to be like pvp, then maybe we would, oh, i dunno, play pvp? i play both but i think the charm of the game was that it offered two distinct play styles and experiences, and combining them into one only serves to limit its appeal.
on a different note, ive been hearing some praise in-game about how glad people are that pve is a lot more like pvp. if us pve'ers wanted it to be like pvp, then maybe we would, oh, i dunno, play pvp? i play both but i think the charm of the game was that it offered two distinct play styles and experiences, and combining them into one only serves to limit its appeal.
Arcanis the Omnipotent
*mesmer sneaks into discussion, looks around*
*laughs heartedly*
Oh dang... no more solo farming. Now you know what we go through.
*laughs heartedly*
Oh dang... no more solo farming. Now you know what we go through.
karunpav
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Originally Posted by lambda the great
Have any of you guys tried farming without Cyclone axe?
Yeah, I'm with lambda on this one... not all farming builds revolve around Cyclone Axe. Use some originality and you can still farm efficiently. Hell, you don't even have to farm. Try running people to Droknar's, chest running, or normal gameplay. There are tons of ways to make money, farming was just one of the most common types.
Age
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Originally Posted by sno
If you think about the basis of the game, all of pve is an attempt to simulate pvp. monster ai is meant to be the same as human intelligence, and as you progress through the game monsters become harder, until you reach the pinnacle (end-game) and progress into pvp. "Farming" was never an intended part of the game, only an inevidable outcome as many gamers are greedy and feel the need to have more of something than the average joe, regardless of how meaningless that something may be.
One or two people were never supposed to simply equip a certain skillbar which makes them invincible to any monsters in a given area, it's simply not what Guild Wars is about. Fortunately for all the whiners, there will be people out there creating new builds to farm even more useless gold (now that pvp creation is equal or better than anything you can get in pve, gold is really quite useless.) Soon enough you'll be able to come on this very forum and copy another skillset that with a very minute bit of skill will allow you to kill many high-level enemies in a short time. You will then repeat this process until your eyes bleed, because to you, change is bad. Having 100% control of the outcome is necessary for some people, which is understandable but not acceptable.
The way I see it there are two rational reasons that people want to stay in pve (and not progress to pvp.) First (and most common I think) people are very lazy, and don't want to actually make the effort to become skilled. They want to bash infinitely less intelligent things simply because they can and it fills their head with epeen. They're the ones that are upset at this nerf, since all that happened is that the monsters became smarter. Second, and much more rare, there are the people that want to avoid the rage and stupidity that human players inevidably bring to the game. This one is understandable, however this update does nothing but help those players. With smarter AI, pve-specific players can still develope a nuance of skill while completely avoiding all human contact (enter: "heroes".)
So really, if you think about it... This update could very well be the best thing to ever happen to Guild Wars, at least for the very short time before people learn how to exploit AI yet again.
Less Crying Is Key, kThx. It would never get that way sno that PvE just became more like PvP as most PvEer aren't use to running after mobs mostly just holding aggro.The end of what just jumping into pvp with an inferior char to those of a pvp made char.It is really to late for those to jump in as most pvp ladder guild are already dominate pvp so what is really left for pvers to do when beaten the game.my first officer hasn't logged in over a week becuase he can't find anything to do.I would say it is to late to guilds like SMS and Rare to even think of being PvP guilds trying to make I on the ladder.The Guru to me as always been a Farming and PvE board.
To Arcanis you could alway make a Mes/Mo up and IW it or go Shiroken farming.
One or two people were never supposed to simply equip a certain skillbar which makes them invincible to any monsters in a given area, it's simply not what Guild Wars is about. Fortunately for all the whiners, there will be people out there creating new builds to farm even more useless gold (now that pvp creation is equal or better than anything you can get in pve, gold is really quite useless.) Soon enough you'll be able to come on this very forum and copy another skillset that with a very minute bit of skill will allow you to kill many high-level enemies in a short time. You will then repeat this process until your eyes bleed, because to you, change is bad. Having 100% control of the outcome is necessary for some people, which is understandable but not acceptable.
The way I see it there are two rational reasons that people want to stay in pve (and not progress to pvp.) First (and most common I think) people are very lazy, and don't want to actually make the effort to become skilled. They want to bash infinitely less intelligent things simply because they can and it fills their head with epeen. They're the ones that are upset at this nerf, since all that happened is that the monsters became smarter. Second, and much more rare, there are the people that want to avoid the rage and stupidity that human players inevidably bring to the game. This one is understandable, however this update does nothing but help those players. With smarter AI, pve-specific players can still develope a nuance of skill while completely avoiding all human contact (enter: "heroes".)
So really, if you think about it... This update could very well be the best thing to ever happen to Guild Wars, at least for the very short time before people learn how to exploit AI yet again.
Less Crying Is Key, kThx. It would never get that way sno that PvE just became more like PvP as most PvEer aren't use to running after mobs mostly just holding aggro.The end of what just jumping into pvp with an inferior char to those of a pvp made char.It is really to late for those to jump in as most pvp ladder guild are already dominate pvp so what is really left for pvers to do when beaten the game.my first officer hasn't logged in over a week becuase he can't find anything to do.I would say it is to late to guilds like SMS and Rare to even think of being PvP guilds trying to make I on the ladder.The Guru to me as always been a Farming and PvE board.
To Arcanis you could alway make a Mes/Mo up and IW it or go Shiroken farming.
Mr.H.Mishima
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Originally Posted by lambda the great
Have any of you guys tried farming without Cyclone axe?
What? You can farm without being a Cyclone Whammo? Who knew!!
Ripostes FTW
Ripostes FTW
RazielFirestorm
Personally, i like this update cause i can still farm uw by myself, and ecto prices are going up for now so more money for me 
can you guys see a loop in what is happening in this game?
1)people find a way to make money real easy, real fast
2)someone copys this into a forum or something, and more people start to use the farming build
3)after a while, Anet will change this so the farming build doesnt work anymore
4)people will complain for about 3 weeks
5)back to square one - people find a new way to farm
It happened with the first AoE change: I myself at the time was even like 'omg wtf eles are broken! now what? useless character omg!!!1111!1!'
what happened? found out a new way to use aoe, without having to pump out the smaller constant damage, and changed to using the big damage.
Even with PvP this happened: when HA was changed to 6v6, alot of people were quite annoyed with the change, and were saying there was no creativity anymore ect... 3 weeks later, no ones left complaining and everyone is getting on with the game, working out new builds and ways to do HA.
And now the exact same thing is gonna happen with this second AoE change.
You know it will, it happened twice before, its going to happen again. for now, those of you who do still know how to farm the big numbers, make money while you can
can you guys see a loop in what is happening in this game?
1)people find a way to make money real easy, real fast
2)someone copys this into a forum or something, and more people start to use the farming build
3)after a while, Anet will change this so the farming build doesnt work anymore
4)people will complain for about 3 weeks
5)back to square one - people find a new way to farm
It happened with the first AoE change: I myself at the time was even like 'omg wtf eles are broken! now what? useless character omg!!!1111!1!'
what happened? found out a new way to use aoe, without having to pump out the smaller constant damage, and changed to using the big damage.
Even with PvP this happened: when HA was changed to 6v6, alot of people were quite annoyed with the change, and were saying there was no creativity anymore ect... 3 weeks later, no ones left complaining and everyone is getting on with the game, working out new builds and ways to do HA.
And now the exact same thing is gonna happen with this second AoE change.
You know it will, it happened twice before, its going to happen again. for now, those of you who do still know how to farm the big numbers, make money while you can
LuckyGiant
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Originally Posted by Tommy
omg, none of the chinese farmers are bots.. they are all human! they just can't understand what you are saying. and they are not so good a gamer, what do you expect for 1 cent per hour labor? they can only repeat the same move again and again like the workers working with assembly line...
Please visit granite citadel int 1 and tell me they arent bots 
(though they might not be there anymore, since the update)
As the above poster mentioned, its a never ending circle New farming spots will open up and people will simple change and adapt. But with the above in mind players farm for something to do (attaining your ideal armor, weapons, farming for fun, farming for challenge, hording gold etc) when they have completed the game, take this away from them and there is little to hold there interest. Maybe we should start a poll "whats your goal in PvE" post, results might be interesting ^^
In response to sno: Amity and Truth said it very nicely what I was going to say about your arrogant post, people are unique and play the game for different reasons, the game doesnt revolve around what individuals want.
Edited: reordered.
(though they might not be there anymore, since the update)As the above poster mentioned, its a never ending circle
New farming spots will open up and people will simple change and adapt. But with the above in mind players farm for something to do (attaining your ideal armor, weapons, farming for fun, farming for challenge, hording gold etc) when they have completed the game, take this away from them and there is little to hold there interest. Maybe we should start a poll "whats your goal in PvE" post, results might be interesting ^^In response to sno: Amity and Truth said it very nicely what I was going to say about your arrogant post, people are unique and play the game for different reasons, the game doesnt revolve around what individuals want.
Edited: reordered.
Xaero Gouki Kriegor
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Originally Posted by Shuuda
That is overreacting, I love the update, templates, new salvage option, more challenges, I love it all.
And GW is not about soloing, if you enjoy soloing more than teamwork stuff, online games are not for you.
If you want FoW armor so badly, why don't you just go in a full team and fight for it, like a man!
I'm glad the nerfed those 55 monk, I'm just sad they didn't do it sooner.
Yours truely... Shuuda! gg
And GW is not about soloing, if you enjoy soloing more than teamwork stuff, online games are not for you.
If you want FoW armor so badly, why don't you just go in a full team and fight for it, like a man!
I'm glad the nerfed those 55 monk, I'm just sad they didn't do it sooner.
Yours truely... Shuuda!
gg
Mesmer in Need
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Originally Posted by Bloodied Blade
Looks like fow solo is pretty much all we can still do atm. That and (according to an above poster) VwK farming.
...rt/me ftw? 55 ids farming?
...rt/me ftw? 55 ids farming?
Gururian
My 55 is still very very much alive. Caster AI still has its similarities to Napoleon Dynamite. Cheers to anet for a great update!
Joshgt2
i See my starburster coming into more effect with killing mobs of melee guys.
Riotgear
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcanis the Omnipotent
*mesmer sneaks into discussion, looks around*
*laughs heartedly*
Oh dang... no more solo farming. Now you know what we go through. Someone missed the money train when it passed through Harvest Temple.
*laughs heartedly*
Oh dang... no more solo farming. Now you know what we go through. Someone missed the money train when it passed through Harvest Temple.
Yarrick
There are going to be more ways to farm. W8 till u try out the Dervish and the Paragon. Old professions will get new skills as well. Farming is not dead, just asleep atm. Anet, keep up the good work.
Jacxxmaster
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Originally Posted by Bloodied Blade
City of Heroes/City of Villains did the exact same thing...I'm going to need to remember to stop buying things from anyone associated with ncsoft.
Not NCsoft; it's Anet ftl... *shakes fist at Anet*
Phoenix Ex
Ya ya w/e, there will be new ways to farm blah blah. I'll reserve judgement until someone finds a farming build that can earn 1k/min and not 2k/15-20min.
Farming speed has now nearly quadrupled in time need. I say now its time for skill cost reduction to 1/4, obsidian armor should cost 1/4 the price, 15k also.
Farming speed has now nearly quadrupled in time need. I say now its time for skill cost reduction to 1/4, obsidian armor should cost 1/4 the price, 15k also.
rockon2888
Well maybe someone has already mentioned this before, but with this new current update, I found out a rather interesting fact about farming.
No matter how much AoE you pummel out, there will ALWAYS be 3 monsters attacking you. If there are only 3 monsters in total, they behave as the previous update AoE run and run back.
Basicly you farm and you kill them 3x at a time
No matter how much AoE you pummel out, there will ALWAYS be 3 monsters attacking you. If there are only 3 monsters in total, they behave as the previous update AoE run and run back.
Basicly you farm and you kill them 3x at a time
sakura75
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Originally Posted by Arcanis the Omnipotent
*mesmer sneaks into discussion, looks around*
*laughs heartedly*
Oh dang... no more solo farming. Now you know what we go through. You can farm pretty much anything with a mesmer. Soloing Riverside, Sanctum Cay mission, Powerlevelling, Trolls, Vermins, Undergrowth, Shirokens, etc...
Even possible to do Droknar's run.
After update Shiroken farming is a little bit more difficult but not impossible.
And please don't complain about new update... there will be new farming build coming up soon with the Dervish and Paragon
I already have a nice Rit/D solo farming build in mind, can't wait to test it when NF is coming out
*laughs heartedly*
Oh dang... no more solo farming. Now you know what we go through. You can farm pretty much anything with a mesmer. Soloing Riverside, Sanctum Cay mission, Powerlevelling, Trolls, Vermins, Undergrowth, Shirokens, etc...
Even possible to do Droknar's run.
After update Shiroken farming is a little bit more difficult but not impossible.
And please don't complain about new update... there will be new farming build coming up soon with the Dervish and Paragon
I already have a nice Rit/D solo farming build in mind, can't wait to test it when NF is coming out
Priceykins
I tried that with a 55 troll build, the results were thus
Can kill avicara(mob of 5 who dont run
) and trolls outside
first mob inside troll cave, say roughly 10.
I go in, ps and hb up, then fire up soj. Trolls hit it for a bit, then all but 3 run at rought 50-75% health. a few seconds l8er soj times out, so trolls have time to regen outside fight to almost full health, and ones infight to about 75%, all trolls come back to fight, i fire up soj, they scatter, but a different 3 stay this time
I cant get the trolls below 25% health using soj with the new update. I am annoyed, but hey, its life, ive already spent a few hours trying out new builds, and I have a promising 55 necro build in the works, ill be sure to keep u all posted
Can kill avicara(mob of 5 who dont run
) and trolls outsidefirst mob inside troll cave, say roughly 10.
I go in, ps and hb up, then fire up soj. Trolls hit it for a bit, then all but 3 run at rought 50-75% health. a few seconds l8er soj times out, so trolls have time to regen outside fight to almost full health, and ones infight to about 75%, all trolls come back to fight, i fire up soj, they scatter, but a different 3 stay this time
I cant get the trolls below 25% health using soj with the new update. I am annoyed, but hey, its life, ive already spent a few hours trying out new builds, and I have a promising 55 necro build in the works, ill be sure to keep u all posted
Oznog
Wow Sno. You may be the single biggest hypocrite I've ever run into on these boards. Not too long ago my necro was in ToA looking for an experienced monk to duo UW. You were spamming for experienced SS's and I PM'd you. After demanding to know my skill bar, you proceeded to grill me on the exact method I used against various enemies and the order of the skills used. When my responses did not please you I got an abrupt "wrong answer" (direct quote) and you proceeded to continue spamming for your perfect SS partner. I certainly appreciate that it is your prerogative to pick and choose who you duo with, but you really came across as kind of an ass.
Considering the money you've made farming and teaching others to farm I'll thank you to STFU when these changes come as a disappointment to those of us that enjoy the challenge that is solo or duo farming.
Yes, there will be new farming builds. After I play through NF with my chars and it has lost a bit of its luster for me I look forward to going back to farming. I hope that the builds that evolve from today's update are as effective as the old ones. I plan to try as many skill combinations as needed to find a good alternative to the builds we all know and love.
With all due respect to Sno and what he's accomplished, I hope to hell he's not the one that comes up with the new uber build. As insufferably arrogant as he comes across (on the boards and in game, as it turns out) I hate to think that I might have to be grateful to him for a new build.
PS to my story: I did end up finding a very competent monk and we went on several successful duo runs. It seemed like each time we would finish a run and zone back to ToA there was Faithful Sno, still spamming for his perfect SS. I laughed and laughed.
Considering the money you've made farming and teaching others to farm I'll thank you to STFU when these changes come as a disappointment to those of us that enjoy the challenge that is solo or duo farming.
Yes, there will be new farming builds. After I play through NF with my chars and it has lost a bit of its luster for me I look forward to going back to farming. I hope that the builds that evolve from today's update are as effective as the old ones. I plan to try as many skill combinations as needed to find a good alternative to the builds we all know and love.
With all due respect to Sno and what he's accomplished, I hope to hell he's not the one that comes up with the new uber build. As insufferably arrogant as he comes across (on the boards and in game, as it turns out) I hate to think that I might have to be grateful to him for a new build.
PS to my story: I did end up finding a very competent monk and we went on several successful duo runs. It seemed like each time we would finish a run and zone back to ToA there was Faithful Sno, still spamming for his perfect SS. I laughed and laughed.
Priest Of Sin
Ok, I am going to sound like a massive hypocrite (I've farmed and exploited and ran, ect), but there is more to this game than farming. Granted it is a little depressing knowing that my Dervish and Paragon will have to sit with 1.5k armor for awhile, but oh well. And there are MANY good points to this update. #1, people may have to work for their 15k armor. FoW armor will MAYBE become a little rarer, but I doubt it. Just sit back+play Nightfall, someone will devise a way to farm melee with the same profit we always did.
And yes, this update pissed me off at first.
And yes, this update pissed me off at first.
BigDave
Pongmei Valley is still easily farmable with a mist form ele. I had to change my build a little to make it work but it takes me maybe 20 secs longer to take out a group (about 1-2k less per hour, hardly a big deal).
The elementalists got several nice buffs with this update and i've used a couple of them with my farming build. Half the Kirin and Undergrowths are dead before they even get chance to run, and the rest follow soon after.
I've also noticed when helping guildies with missions that large mobs are now easier to deal with. When they start to take a hammering some run and some stay. You know the old saying? "Divide and conquer"? When they run away, they don't attack. When they don't attack, you don't die as easily. They divide themselves up and you can just sloughter them in smaller groups instead of struggling to kill them all before they kill you. I've found questing to be easier after this update, and i use an echo nuker for the most part. The AoE nerf isn't as bad as people think for questing.
The elementalists got several nice buffs with this update and i've used a couple of them with my farming build. Half the Kirin and Undergrowths are dead before they even get chance to run, and the rest follow soon after.
I've also noticed when helping guildies with missions that large mobs are now easier to deal with. When they start to take a hammering some run and some stay. You know the old saying? "Divide and conquer"? When they run away, they don't attack. When they don't attack, you don't die as easily. They divide themselves up and you can just sloughter them in smaller groups instead of struggling to kill them all before they kill you. I've found questing to be easier after this update, and i use an echo nuker for the most part. The AoE nerf isn't as bad as people think for questing.
Thom Bangalter
Sno does pve?
Sno is arrogant?
When did everyone start to hate him? He's a really nice guy in my opinion, just putting the carebears in their place.
Objection!
The game doesn't end because you can't farm. Learn to PvP. After I scrubbed my way through phropecies twice (Degen ele! barrage always on my bar! W/Mo!) I started trudging up the ranks in HA. Then I started GVGing. And it's far more rewarding than the constant tombs green farming I was doing every night back in January.
Sno is arrogant?
When did everyone start to hate him? He's a really nice guy in my opinion, just putting the carebears in their place.
Objection!
The game doesn't end because you can't farm. Learn to PvP. After I scrubbed my way through phropecies twice (Degen ele! barrage always on my bar! W/Mo!) I started trudging up the ranks in HA. Then I started GVGing. And it's far more rewarding than the constant tombs green farming I was doing every night back in January.
Batou of Nine
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Originally Posted by lambda the great
Quote: Originally Posted by Shuuda And GW is not about soloing, if you enjoy soloing more than teamwork stuff, online games are not for you. You my friend have no right to tell people how to play the game, you have your opinion, but people can play solo or with others as they wish... You are not the all knowing GW representative to tell us how they intended for us to play, as i am sure they will also tell you for anyone to play as they wish!
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Originally Posted by Shuuda
If you want FoW armor so badly, why don't you just go in a full team and fight for it, like a man!
So you think people are willing to go from 1 month of hardcore farming (more or less), to about 10 months? I don't think so buddy. More commendable? Maybe, but this silly farming nerf will send FLOCKS of people to Ebay for some easy-ticket gold...
------------------------------------------------------------------------- These two are examples of people that simply don't get it. The farming nerfs are NOT simply about making cash fast, its the ABILITY to make money, in order to support several characters through PvP. Considering more then just items like Weapons and Armor... SKILLS!! The hundreds of skills we are now FORCED to buy?! And in order to enjoy past the mundane regular aspects of PvE, we are required to have exorbidant amounts of cash. Admittedly, a person can make several thousand off of each character that plays through a chapter. Yet, that several thousand can dissappear in a instant through skill and item purchases. Admittedly 2x, farming will still be a viable game aspect, however, it will be so much slower to the point that it could possibly take several months to gain the same amounts that we could previously have gotten in a few weeks. This nich, is NOT simply the dedicated farmers and market players. Farming helps the regular player gain cash every so often when he needs funds for a new character for the simplest of in game needs. So, to re-iterate my point, its not about farming itself, its about access to game content. Without an ability to make cash in an acceptable amount of time, it will cause MANY people to lose interest, especially the low hour average GW player. I do not think long term affects were taken into account as to the farming community. Honestly, i only farm when i need to, and enjoy learning new styles, creating my own and reflecting ideas off friends. It will now turn into a fustrating attempt to just stay affloat and get basic equipment for new characters in additional chapters. Methinks Nightfall will be the last PvE chapter for me, PvP might call me back soon... I say this with a heavy heart as i am a hardcore GW fan. Maybe my opinions will change, but for now i am thinking basic PvE will be too fustrating. More to think about eh? cheers! Gavilan
The thing i find most irritating is the fact that you can kill a lvl 24+ foe and still get the same crap you do from a lvl 12 fire imp.
Find it strange that they find reasons for nerfing farming builds, but never up the amout of good max weapons from foes that are supposed to be "tuffest in the game" That being said i dont doubt our ability to find some auther place to farm for cash, so i cant say that im really worried.
Amity and Truth
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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter
The game doesn't end because you can't farm. Learn to PvP.
Congratulations on not understanding anything in this thread besides the PVP > PVE Wannabe argument.
Thanas
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Originally Posted by sno
If you think about the basis of the game, all of pve is an attempt to simulate pvp. monster ai is meant to be the same as human intelligence, and as you progress through the game monsters become harder, until you reach the pinnacle (end-game) and progress into pvp. "Farming" was never an intended part of the game, only an inevidable outcome as many gamers are greedy and feel the need to have more of something than the average joe, regardless of how meaningless that something may be.
One or two people were never supposed to simply equip a certain skillbar which makes them invincible to any monsters in a given area, it's simply not what Guild Wars is about. Fortunately for all the whiners, there will be people out there creating new builds to farm even more useless gold (now that pvp creation is equal or better than anything you can get in pve, gold is really quite useless.) Soon enough you'll be able to come on this very forum and copy another skillset that with a very minute bit of skill will allow you to kill many high-level enemies in a short time. You will then repeat this process until your eyes bleed, because to you, change is bad. Having 100% control of the outcome is necessary for some people, which is understandable but not acceptable. The way I see it there are two rational reasons that people want to stay in pve (and not progress to pvp.) First (and most common I think) people are very lazy, and don't want to actually make the effort to become skilled. They want to bash infinitely less intelligent things simply because they can and it fills their head with epeen. They're the ones that are upset at this nerf, since all that happened is that the monsters became smarter. Second, and much more rare, there are the people that want to avoid the rage and stupidity that human players inevidably bring to the game. This one is understandable, however this update does nothing but help those players. With smarter AI, pve-specific players can still develope a nuance of skill while completely avoiding all human contact (enter: "heroes".) So really, if you think about it... This update could very well be the best thing to ever happen to Guild Wars, at least for the very short time before people learn how to exploit AI yet again. Less Crying Is Key, kThx. Several comments to make. Firstly I do actually remember Gaille Grey saying something along the lines of farmers will be catered to, since it was recognised this was a form of play in GW, maybe unintended, but there none the less. Secondly Sno, I gather you have farmed a fair amount of gold, XP etc. Why did you do this if its such a pointless exercise. Your arrogance astounds me. Finally I am not overly upset by the updates, I can still farm and I'm sure I will come up with some innovative new builds. I like farming as I find it relaxing and I like being able to give my characters interesting items. Oh yeah and I do PVP. Don't generalise, not all farmers are skilless monkeys.
huntingtonm
ho hum.
I have a few thoughts on this subject, so i will just go ahead and shoot. I PVE'd till i had a good understanding of the game mechanics, then sliped into the PVP aspect, the competitive side being far more appealing. Unfortuantly i also came to realise that to be uber good (read competitive) at pvp there is a need to get custom high level equipment out of the PVE side of the game, so i roll back into PVE to build a N/Mo for the farmin job and now things change. Not gona cry or whine, since there seems to be plenty of that already along with arrogance and bare faced poppycok. But its a real pisser for the time being and probably fits in with Anet gently encouraging people to buy the next installment. Have faith and rejoice for the future can be ours, we must simply have the strength to reach forth and shape it as our will desires. Anet can make a million changes, but the power of the millions playing is key. G-Humps
=P go back to Tyria and run for money =) Best way to make cash again
SirShadowrunner
Finally got some time from real life to play GW, remember not
everybody here stays at home all day playing games!!!!! Farming the troll cave with my monk was still pretty easy and the tundra giants went down with ease to, so 10:1 time ratio is not true, basically it is 2:1 now, 2 cycles of SoJ and done, just not as big as mobs maybe. Remember even the most "famous" players in the game are farmers, who wrote-up that spider-cave thread now, hmmmm.... see ya all in NF..... sage tank
lol I dont see why people make a big fuss about this, UW is still feasable if you got the right build. Now instead of dropping all the enemy at once, you do it 1 by 1(which is now easier since all the increase damage). I tested it out with spoil victor and insidious parasite, and doing the last shot with desercrate enchant and defile enchant, a axtaze will drop very fast..(spoil victor + insidious parasite = damage per hit). Since these are life lose "damage", the AI continues to attack, lol. BTW, use both of the visage, you want continuesly drain the smite. yes, it is a bit slow, but definately doable.
ikepdx
I tried 55ing the trolls. It is no where near as quick, but it can be done and I found it easier with a 105 monk, as I could attack the trolls who ran off to heal. As soon as they take damage they stopped healing. Took 5 minutes to do the main cave where it would take 40 seconds before.
Korg died in 2 sets of SOJ, same as usual. Tundra Giants went down just as fast as they had before. Dropped a group of 8 in 30 seconds Didn't notice the change on Zealots Fire and found it worked fine even losing the 1 energy. It made it harder to farm the Avicara when they have Wise in the group, but so far I managed. But I figured they were going the nerf the 55 sooner or later and was never into the kill one group, rezone, kill the same group, rezone, etc. Crap, my inventory is full... got to go... Edit: Just noticed salvaging Runes isn't automatic any more. Now THAT is a bit of a bummer. Edit 2: I just sucessfully salvaged 4 runes in a row, even though it said I had a 41% chance, so maybe it is still automatic.
Age
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Firstly I do actually remember Gaille Grey saying something along the lines of farmers will be catered to, since it was recognised this was a form of play in GW, maybe unintended, but there none the less.
I wouldn't mind knowing where Gaile said this.I tried the troll cave and it wasn't the same it was before just takes a lit more longer and you have to watch for thier disrupt. chop and the Avicera are easy.You know if the SB build was still good I would consider buying a secound copy for my secound account but not the way things are right now.
| mrsmiles
i for one love the update makes it more challenging anyways with this update i am still able to solo farm bosses with the A/E build no changes made
Nero_Fayth
Solutions include:
~Using a different profession to farm (Ele is often overlooked *wink wink*) ~Start Running (Droks ftw, recycle those melee classes!) ~Farm with a TEAM! (Yea, drop "rate rofit" is just as good when you factor in the time it takes to finish something as a team rather than solo or duo.)~Try coming up with a new build---"ZOMGWTF OMG ARE YOU CRAZY?!?" It doesn't take time to make a decent build and start farming with it. You can still farm wardens with warriors, as well as vermin and the like. Maybe Instead of 2 manning the same old way in UW, you could run an earth ele and S-o-L-o. Yes, it is possible and every bit as quick as the old methods. ~Buy low sell high---Haggle with people, buy decent equipment, sell for higher price. (NOTE: Requires elementary knowledge of common courtesy and grammar. **Not recommended for those who play wammo often**) ~Look for new areas to farm, try coming up with a build suited for it---Again, not that hard to do. I myself have several farming spots around denravi which yield the same results as a more profitable FoW run, in less or equal amounts of time. ~Cry moar pl0x.
Mr D J
I don't even feel bad because I don't even have an account
Originally Posted by Nero_Fayth
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~Start Running (Droks ftw, recycle those melee classes!) Here's the thing... I tried running forge when I was uber poor (2 weeks ago lol) and guess what... there is nobody wanting you to run them e.g. Cheapskates: LFR 2 Forge for Free. When you try to get someone for 3k... its 0 replies, 2k and I got 1 reply. That was on a weekend too I'm pretty sure. Also, running takes up an awful lot of time and IMHO not worth it. Trading is what really makes money.
Nathan the Skank
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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter
Sno does pve?
Sno is arrogant? When did everyone start to hate him? He's a really nice guy in my opinion, just putting the carebears in their place. Objection! The game doesn't end because you can't farm. Learn to PvP. . When you pay me the 50$ I spent on guild wars, you can tell me to pvp instead of pve. This update has done it for me, I didn't say anything about the griffons, the warrior damage absorbtion, or even the dying nightmares, but this is too far. I've noticed alot of the people who say they don't care about the farming update already have more money than they know what to do with, or the people with uber crazy builds that them and maybe their guildies know of. Personally I don't pvp because a) my guild is crap and pugs in HA never seem to work for me b) the pvp is dominated by uber guilds c) it isn't interesting. Basically pve was all that really ever interested me. Soloing was easily my favorite part of the game, and now it seems shot to hell. Sure, I could group with a pug, but lets face it, majority of the gw players stink. I don't know if I'm going to play guild wars anymore, too much drama. The game doesn't know what it wants to be, and it doesn't know what the players want it to be.
Fluffy Butt
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Originally Posted by AlienFromBeyond
At least Spider farming seems to be intact.
Well 3 man trapper UW farming will still be intact... I hope, LETS GET FAVOR!!
technician
Honestly , I think this update is too much for a nerf. I loved GW in the beginning and farming has its fun but taking away farming is too much .I love solo farming not just for the money but for more of a use of getting away from pug groups. It's fairly annoying dealing with idiots most of the time especially when it comes to FoW.I liked solo'ing because if you mess up it's your fault and you have no one to blame . I feel like 70% of the time I join a random pug I see stupid arguements and people rage quiting . PVE doesn't offer much to begin with , once you're done with it there is really nothing left to look forward to but farming and getting nice things you like . Yeah there's PVP but to me PVP is about who you know or the guild you're in . Starting from rank 0 and getting into pugs takes long enough as it is . I don't enjoy sitting in HA for 2 hours just to get into a group of rage quiters , i've done this from rank 0 to 5 and I can't waste time with that anymore , it's not enjoyable . At least with farming before the update you could have a goal to get something within a reasonable amount of time . I don't mind spending 3 weeks for FoW armor by farming but making it 5 months or more worth of farming is too much . I'm not saying farming is over because hey NF is out and there's that much more skills that could be used for new farming builds but if there's no hope in that I can't say i'll be playing GW much longer.
Even the makers of GW from the making of NF DVD said they focus the game around it's players and take in opinions from these forums and etc but if that's so I can't understand this nerf. What do the players gain from such a big loss? Ayumi Mogami
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if they can affort a pc and GW and internet then they can affort food. And if they are starving then they better go find a job instead of playing games while there children are starving. None of what u are saying makes sence. See for the price of internet and a pc they could feed there family a year...
You know it would actually help if you know what you are talking about. The post you replied to earlier was partialy correct. None of those mentioned chinese farmers own a PC or have their own internet access. These farmers are high school \college youth that ran away from home or are looking for other means to support themselves or a place to live. | Those owners of these chinese virtual gold selling companies are offering food, a bed space and payment. In return those kids have to play 12 hours a day. Those of them that want to get out can't because it's not that easy. How can you find a job without any kind of degree. Eventhough I don't agree on what's going on, i think it is still better than living in the streets and robbing people or selling drugs. There was an interesting report concering that issue on television. Now my 2 cents to the farming issue. Admit it or not, we all take advantage of farmers. It's the reason why Ectos dropped from14k to 7k, it's the reason why Green weapons are affordable for everybody, and it lowers material prices. It's supply and demand, farmers throw a lot into the market which results in decreasing prices. The effect is relative. Take some high end greens for example that were priced beyond 100k and which are now available for 40-50k. For some this might be a positive effect since a desired green just has become a lot more affordable. For those however that paid 100k or farm an resell for 100k it's anything but positive. The farmer of course has to lower his price in order to sell and hence makes less money. Well so much to those that believe farming is evil. Well I believe that soon new farming builds will appear. It's just a matter of time...until Anet will nerf them again lol Now why does Anet hold such a grudge against farming. High end items are expensive enough and for most casual player almost unattainable. Does Anet want us to give up our lives in order to attain prestige items ? Sure prestige items shouldn't be easy to attain. Farming for fissure or other high end items I wanted was the only thing that kept me playing after finishing the story line with all my characters. I pretty much feel the same way as technician concerning PUG's. I remember the Sorrows Furnace days where I sometimes didnt get a single run done within 3 hours, just because of rage quitters or people that quit because of newbies in the group. Further nerfing and the killing of farming would have a huge impact on the game economy. |
