The END to Farming Melee based monsters...

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Again forgetting that this is a Game.

The rule is old, as old as the first MUD appeared on our old BBS systems:

"A MUD is not what the implementors want it to be but is what it becomes through its players behaviour. "

If you think you must farm because you need money for the best looking item
or boast about your best ever-hardest to get weapon, I think we are talking
about "greed" here. These should go under the classification of ... "whinning over changes".

Whereas if you consider farming as part of the challenge (as it is the case of
most of the initial farming posters) then no problem, there will shortly be new
ways to farm...

This is a game and it should be enjoyed as a challenge as any game should be.

The only tragic part is still that we are playing this game with kids who are
eventually doing this not for the joy but for the living and there are those of
us who eventually support these b**tards who abuse those kids, by buying their
virtual <stuff> in order to boast in a virtual game. How sad.

This thread seperates the cookie cutters and cutter makers. Changes will definitely occur in this game, and just like before. Players who makes the cookie cutting builds still exist, and they still get lots of gold. But how do they do it? They use what we all have, that is their brains. If you do not wish to invest time into learning the game, you will not be able to be rich in the game. Simple as that.

People say they love this game, this game is great, then why is it that you have not learnt the secrets of this game? Is it because its too tough? All i can say is, you probably do not like this game enough.

The cost of playing the game normally is not high at all.
- The cheapest form of max armor is not 1.5k. You can get it from collectors for FREE. Yes, 0 gold.
- Weapons/Shields: crafters makes max weapons. monsters drop max weapons. non-perfect weapons and greens(perfect + cheap) on the markets only go for 5k or lesser. The point is, why do you want a weapon? Skills dmg > Weapon dmg imo.
- Id kits/Salvage ktis: their cost is minimal, and there are many tricks in getting them for free, or maximizing their worth.
- Skills to buy: Unlock them via quests, and for those skills that you can't, buy them. Know what skills are essential to you, you do not need all 100 of em at 1 go. infact, there's many skills that are hardly used.

So, playing the game normally, as you can see, is extremely affordable. Delayed gratification is key to getting rich.

I loved the nerfs everytime anet makes them, why? because it simply removes the cookie cutters for a period of time, untill cutter makers releases new cookie cutter brands into the market. It only makes the game more fun, because seriously, if a game isn't challenging, what satisfaction is there in being good at it? And do take note, Anet did not take away farming. Its a way of them letting the mino tell you, "i'm sick of you using SoJ and me killing myself on you. I'm going to learn and be smarter. Hah! Lets see if you are going to be smarter then a mino."

The point on FoW armor, the reason why its so costly, because its an item for people who are successful (or rich by going on ebay) in this game. When GW first started, people with FoW armor are very rare, and its for accomplished people. But when cookie cutters was invented, you start seeing FoW armor popping up everywhere. It makes FoW armor lose their value. I'm glad that anet is trying to make it back to where it is last time. If you want FoW armor, but you do not want to invest your time (note time, not money) in the game, then you will not be getting it (unless u ebay). Its like saying, "i want to get good grades, but i do not want to study smart".

You can actually relate this to our real life. Imagine the world we live in is in the GW world. Changes occur everyday. Rich people they love to live, and live well. So they spend time learning how to live well. And in the process, they earned lots of gold. Poor people they want to live well, but they do not want to learn. They wait and wait, for the so called "opportunities". They do not change. Well, since ancient times, things that do not adapt, only had 1 ending served to them. Extinction.

And you may wonder, what are those cutter makers doing now? Well, they definitely aren't here wasting their time complaining. They are probably out there, looking or may already have found, their new gold mine.

I have not seen much problems farming melee creatures since this update. Yes indeed most cookie cutter builds no longer work like they used to. Just look around at the skills and figure something out. Remember that in a lot of cases melee creatures will attack in a group then run away and stand there while you kill 4 of their buddies. This could allow you to go more offense to take the creatures down faster and it works. The age old build I have ran forever to farm melee creatures still works perfectly. I have of course added a few skills to it but it is still effective.

Granted it is not as fast as it used to be but it gets the job done in a respectable amount of time. The good thing is that if you do not spam your skills the mobs will stay in force around you and kill themselves. The build I am refering to is a slightly modified Glads Defence stance build. Glads does not make the monsters run away as of yet, or at least in my numerous times of using it since the update. What will make the monsters run away is if you spam reposte and deadly reposte to much. You have to give them a few seconds in between each other to avoid the AoE run. That is only if you have Glads up at the time.

If you are not in Glads and in some other stance you can spam those two as fast as they recharge without worries. Though for the most part I am inside of Glads Defence the entire time thanks to that lovely skill "On Your Knees!". You just have to put something in your build to knock one of the enemies down but that is not hard at all.

At times I am sort of sick of the constant changing to stuff as it gets old being forced to change the way you play. Though I can understand to an extent what they say they are trying to accomplish. I just think it could have been done it a better way than this. I have no problems coming up with my own builds to farm as that is what I did in the past anyways, it is just frustrating to do all the time.

Besides I am not what you would call a professional farmer as I really do not do it for the money. I have in the past given max dmg highly looked for weapons to people for free. I do not care what they do with it afterwords as it is theirs now. I have always done this for the challange and will continue to do it that way. Yes I have amassed a good amount of money but the main thing that let me get that way is I have never bought any vanity items. I do have a lot of them but I have gotten luck and got them on my own or *gasp* the people I have given stuff to in the past returned the favor by giving me something I was looking for.

You can amass a good amount of money on your own by just playing the game normally you just have to budget your money as has been stated before. Also be kind to others you never know who just might give you that item you have been looking for for free or at least at a really good deal.

A lot of times I opt for the non 15k version of armors just because they look better IMO. A lot of times the 15k version just looks too gaudy and cheezy with too many things going on. And yeah I agree, most of the FOW armor looks horrible... the only one that looks decent is monk, and mesmer... but there are better looking ones out there.


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I think I posted this in this thread or might be another, who the hell knows there are lots of these kind of threads around since the update.

I love GW and will stay playing it, but one thing to note is that with farming that was kept me playing GW once I was done the chapters (1 and 2) with all my characters.
I would farm and wait for friends and guildies to login to do fow/uw or get bonuses here and there.

I fear that once I finish stuff (other people as well) in Nightfall then the spare time I have will be spent on other games.

I think its in Anet's best interest to keep people playing GW.
If I spend my time playing another game, then who knows maybe I'll like that game and it will consume my time for me to bother playing GW.

My 2 cents.

Boxterduke I think you just hit it on the head there. I have many different characters that I will take through the game. Only the first two will I do all quests and the likes with. All the others will be just the quests I have to do in order to complete the game. Once that is done and I figure that will not take me very long at all what is left for me to do.

Yes I can continue to tryout different builds to farm with but what is the point now days? ANet will just nerf it again in a couple months then it is time to re-adjust how I play a game I have paid for. I really wish ANet would stop listening to all those whinners about farming. I know my farming has never had an impact on the economy as I do not deal with it. I rarely buy anything from merchants and never buy from other people. So my farming has never done anything.

What gets under your skin after a while is people trying to tell you how this game is supposed to be played. What one person might find as fun someone else might now. I have fun farming things with builds that I come up with on my own. Yes I have used some of the cookie cutter builds before but then I make a build of my own to do the same thing with. I have already begun farming again but it is a good bit slower than before. ANet says that this is a game of skill. Well in my view if I am skilled enough to be able to farm an area solo then I should be able to do so.

Please tell me where my farming anything has effected how someone plays their game. Because I can not see one anywhere. I have given more to people than I have ever taken. As a matter of fact I have helped people in the past to get their 15K armor. I have paid for 6 sets of 15K armor for these people. That includes most of the materials that was needed to craft them with. Why? Because I could afford it and because I like to help.

To all those who whine about well I do not have the money to pay for these things so you should suffer with us. I have worked really hard at this game to gather the gold/weapons/materials/etc. that I have today. Nothing was ever handed to me. Not trying to be mean but it just gets on old listening to the same stuff over and over again.

If people truly believed this game is about a team and not one person then why would they put henchies and now heroes into the game. Those are there for people who do not want to do things with others. So the same applies for people who solo.

Ok having a bad day at work and I think a bit more of my frustration was put into this post. Sorry if this offends someone.

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Gares I must say that is very well put. I like they way you explained everything.

One thing I was thinking about if ANet is trying to bleed gold out of the system then this is not the way to do it IMO. The really rich will continue to get richer by saving their money then selling other stuff to fund their future purchases. Either way from saving their money it will go much farther in the cheaper market than it would now.

Well the people who can not get around the new nerfs to farming will continue to pinch for every last bit of gold they can get in order to afford their purchases. Even then some of the higher luxuries will be out of reach for them.

Though gold does seem to be flying around doing the island quests in NF. I have run a paragon and dervish through the island and both have had over 9K by the time they left. That is with picking up every drop and then either salvage it or sell it. Normally just sell it to the merchant.

I know of many people in my old guild that have left the game because of the various nerfs that have happened. All these people wanted nothing more than to play the game the way the wanted to in PvE. They have all said that if these updates were done to balance PvP then make it to were the skills are only nerfed that way in PvP and leave PvE alone.

Over all I like this update a lot and am already over coming the new nerfs while farming but I know of a good amount of people who want some of these new armors and just can not come up with their own builds or do not have the time to come up with them. So I guess will be needing to farm a lot more in order to help some of them out to get those things. I should adopt a new slogan "I farm to pay for you." or at least to the good people I know and my wife.

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It seams that all proffesions have trouble with farming melee based enemies. I still can farm them easely with Rit/Me althought it takes more time then it did before, but taking some close range channeling spells with you does the job very well. I also carry 2 hats with me, 1 for channeling and another for restoration, then 12 of channeling and restoration and ofthen swap hats when you use certain spells. The spell activated with a certain attribute will stay that attribute strenght until it ends even when the attribute point dropped by changing hats. This way you can do 16 attribute channeling damage and 16 attribute restoration healing. Both maxed dmg for farming, works really well. A good tip is to use for each attribute an another hat to see easely from inventory which attribute you just changed.
Too bad this ain't working anymore for PvP, I did it a lot were I maxed my channeling dmg and when low on health I maxed my restoration.

The wonderful with this game, is that it does not force you to have a lot of money. You're forcing yourself to farm money for FoW / other rubbish items, that you don't really need.

Realize that the main focus of Guild Wars is not to have uber items (fow, 15k, crystaline ect.)

They are trying to move the focus over to teamplay again, wether it is playing as a team with heroes or with real players. I prefer real players.

meh im done with gw time to migrate my ass to WoW or EvE

well i dont think the nerf did much to rangers.....
i just solo barrage and since i shoot...theres nothing the monsters can do to stop me. trapping is also the same. in fact if u slap on some conditions like poison, bleeding, disease, etc. i think any1 should still be able to farm. it didnt totally ruin farming melees.....just made it a bit slower for many

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Dont do much farming myself, really just go grab a few stackables, then the VERY limited space I have in inventory goes to items, which I then merch usually, as I dont often get "good" drops. Whats made me laugh throughout this thread are the people who seem to "need" to make thousands of gold in 10-15 minutes, or its no good. No patience, I guess. I could happily spend a hour killing stuff, and getting only 1k worth of stuff. Im not trying to change anyones style, but all these people saying "Im quitting"(because I cant get tens of thousands of gold in an hour just makes me wonder where their priorities are.

EH.. we all need to remember that everyones different. Personally... I to like to farm. I got my 15k that way. Besides it was all I had to do because I had beaten all the missions in prophecies and factions. For myself, and others obviously, there needs to be something there to increase replay value when you get the storyline done. This get quest, do quest, get reward, move on to mission, rinse and repeat is just like every other game released in the last two years.. mmo or not.

I read someone mention Diablo 2 lol. Man that is prolly the best game I ever played and I'll tell you why. It was fast as hell, it was consistant, and it had mad loot. The story sucked but whatever. It had unique armor sets. It had hell cows!!!!! I would play for hours just trying to piece together the immortal kings set lol.

Im just saying that, if you make a game that the hardcores can beat in a weekend or two, there better be something else there when its done. I think ppl are getting tired of doing things that give them a sense of accomplishment and then tomorrow they cant do it any more. I think Im done with this game too. Cuz when you pull back the Elonian covers it's still the same ol GW. It was a great run. At least blizzard had the sense to cut off D2 after two releases. I heard Titan Quest really kicks ass and that Diablo 3 is on the way. Sorry Anet.

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