Hi guys, don't you guys think that HA is getting gayer? OMG...i experienced so many teams with heroes and henchy just team gank on player-team and take advantage of it, especially in scarred earth. This is just ridiculous, how can a serious pvp place like HA allow so many heroes and henchy in battle? You wanna see that in GvG? bet no...Please take consideration into this issue, as HA is just a chaos now!!!!!
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Petition to kick NPC out of HA
looloo
Bale_Shadowscar
If you can't beat Hench/Hero teams in HA, then your not good enough and shouldn't really be playing HA "Seriously". If you can, then all the more Fame and Faction for you, so what are you complaining about?
leeky baby
HA sucked as 6V6, HA is now dead because of heros!
Bring back 8V8, get rid of the heros! I dont care if IWAY comes back atleast they real people!
/signed
Plz A-net HA has died!!!
Bring back 8V8, get rid of the heros! I dont care if IWAY comes back atleast they real people!
/signed
Plz A-net HA has died!!!
Carth`
Because it has basically made Guild Wars a single player game? Look at the NF single player, sorry I mean PvE. In a town or mission you see 20 people, and all have an "8" above their head. Nobody talks, they just play the game with their heroes.
In PvE I want to play through the game with other people, and in PvP I want to play against other people.
In PvE I want to play through the game with other people, and in PvP I want to play against other people.
Vel Satis
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looloo
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If you can't beat Hench/Hero teams in HA, then your not good enough and shouldn't really be playing HA "Seriously". If you can, then all the more Fame and Faction for you, so what are you complaining about?
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looloo
OMG! think they wanna change GW mmorpg to single player online rpg....yay GW may soon turned into Diablo...lol
Amity and Truth
Ah, and there is the matter at hand.
It's because the so called "low skill" players can use them to get a view at PVP and learn more from using them than instead from fame farming to get a rank where they're not constantly insulted at.
It's the age old "keep the newbies out" mentality.
Anyways, my opinion can be read in the other thread concerning this non existant problem.
It's because the so called "low skill" players can use them to get a view at PVP and learn more from using them than instead from fame farming to get a rank where they're not constantly insulted at.
It's the age old "keep the newbies out" mentality.
Anyways, my opinion can be read in the other thread concerning this non existant problem.
DC_Ross_Dark
Heroes are ridiculously, as are someskills they can use (sandstorm/Searing Flames anyone?). I've seen one player hero teams wipe out BOTH other teams in halls. There's a place where heroes are meant to be used in PvP, so they should be restricted to that area.
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conjurer
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This just give chance to nonskilled 10 years old childrens to ruin ha, with playin like idiots on every single altar maps
This just give chance to nonskilled 10 years old childrens to ruin ha, with playin like idiots on every single altar maps
LordLucifer
errr...yeh heroes in AB is a problem and that should stop but...
in HA...if your human tream cant beat an NPC team i just have to agree with Shadowscar -.-
in HA...if your human tream cant beat an NPC team i just have to agree with Shadowscar -.-
master_of_puppets
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Its not about if you can beat heros or not, its about HA turning into freakin PvE. I dont care about free fame and faction blah blah this shit is lame.
ok how are noobs gonna learn 2 play without other players' help? If they dont know much about PvP they're just gonna give their heroes retarded builds like make a mending/hh dual riposte warrior. How would they know if no one tells them proper builds, they're not gonna win anything at all and how are they gonna learn anything controling the heroes lol
Its not about if you can beat heros or not, its about HA turning into freakin PvE. I dont care about free fame and faction blah blah this shit is lame.
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Ah, and there is the matter at hand.
It's because the so called "low skill" players can use them to get a view at PVP and learn more from using them than instead from fame farming to get a rank where they're not constantly insulted at. It's the age old "keep the newbies out" mentality. Anyways, my opinion can be read in the other thread concerning this non existant problem. |
Amity and Truth
Guess what the "noobs" do all the time? They learn without other player's help because they are tightly kept out. And no, your mending/hh build actually won't win anything in there.
looloo
exactly right, even if you wanna attract more newbies to pvp in HA, numbers of heroes should be limited as well, as it is fairly ridiculous to have 5 NPs and 1 player in a team. Even though winning them might be easy (sometimes not as heroes are smarter than human sometimes unfortunately), it just ruin the general gameplay of HA.
daraaksii
HA is no more PvP. there are more npcs than real players.
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Alleji
It's all a conspiracy and it started even before Factions.
Heroes' Ascent.
Heroes' Ascent.
Skuld
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If you can't beat Hench/Hero teams in HA, then your not good enough and shouldn't really be playing HA "Seriously". If you can, then all the more Fame and Faction for you, so what are you complaining about?
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daraaksii
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Some of use don't do it for points, we do it for fun. If we wanted to fight bots all day we'd go to the zaishen arenas..
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Djinn Effer
mm.. Yeah new HA sucks, even worse than before NF now. >.>
Oven
I am noob at pvp and no one wants me in their party because I am unranked. This is real. If I try to learn something and ask people what i should do when the party is formed I get kicked out. How am I supposed to learn anything? Heroes at least gives me the opportunity to get into HA. I can learn builds and stuff from guildwiki. But until someone would actually accept me (a noob and I am not ashamed of admitting it) I say heroes give a glimmer of light. I really want to learn to be in HA and I really want to gain fame. If no one is willing to accept and teach me I'll keep doing it with heroes.
The Pointless
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ok how are noobs gonna learn 2 play without other players' help? If they dont know much about PvP they're just gonna give their heroes retarded builds like make a mending/hh dual riposte warrior. How would they know if no one tells them proper builds, they're not gonna win anything at all and how are they gonna learn anything controling the heroes lol
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daraaksii
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I am noob at pvp and no one wants me in their party because I am unranked. This is real. If I try to learn something and ask people what i should do when the party is formed I get kicked out. How am I supposed to learn anything? Heroes at least gives me the opportunity to get into HA. I can learn builds and stuff from guildwiki. But until someone would actually accept me (a noob and I am not ashamed of admitting it) I say heroes give a glimmer of light. I really want to learn to be in HA and I really want to gain fame. If no one is willing to accept and teach me I'll keep doing it with heroes.
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Daniel__
they only accept ranked people in guilds... the time where you could get easy fame is over, if this person played 10 months ago hed be a r10 just like some of you. But yeah , heroes are a bit extreme, i mean its heroes everywhere, people dont team up in HA, AB, Missions, no where, it took the online gaming thing out, only thing thats left is GvG
KelemvorOAK
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Xenophon Ualtar
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Why not let people in with their Heros? This is a game designed to have fun. Playing in HA can be fun but it is impossible to get a group if you do not have fame. It is also impossible to get into a guild that plays HA unless you have fame.
Why not let people in with their Heros? This is a game designed to have fun. Playing in HA can be fun but it is impossible to get a group if you do not have fame. It is also impossible to get into a guild that plays HA unless you have fame.
Northrog
PvP is not Player vs Hero.
Ha now = PVE
/signed.
Ha now = PVE
/signed.
KelemvorOAK
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Obus
/Not Signed
Reason: Go RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO youself
Reason: Go RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO youself
Mysterial
I can understand both sides of this argument. On one hand, heroes make it a lot easier for players to try things out and a lot easier for newbies to get into the game. It also provides more variety to allow playing with your hero team in more gametypes. On the other hand, the complaint that those who want to PvP are sometimes now mostly fighting AI is legitimate (although their skills/equipment were still set by a human...)
Personally, I wouldn't care about HA if they'd let my heroes into TA. I want to play some straight up annihilation with them and HA is currently the only way to do that.
Personally, I wouldn't care about HA if they'd let my heroes into TA. I want to play some straight up annihilation with them and HA is currently the only way to do that.
looloo
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It's all a conspiracy and it started even before Factions.
Heroes' Ascent. |
LOL good one mate...maybe that's why
Daniel__
heroes need to be removed from this game ffs, i bought a online game not a playstation FF game, seriously its annoying me, Nightfall is so dead, no one talks in towns, no one teams up with each other, damn me but i even miss the guy spamming wts 100k+xxx ecto for hours .
Unkemptwolf
Pfft, yea, lets kick out all these noobs with their heros. While were at it, no one lower than r3 should be allowed either. That way HA can be entirely the realm of all us 1337 players and we wont even have to bother clicking the button to kick the noobs who want to learn how to play!
Seriously folks, as someone who has tried many times to play in HA, and who has been continually kicked out of groups because I'm not ranked, or have the wrong skills, I just want to say that you are overreacting.
I'm not saying its everyone who plays HA, but the vast majority of people do not accept new players. Not only do they discriminate, by they arent even nice about it. You get kicked out with a PM like "OMFG noob stop wasting our time".
Not every guild wants to HA. My guild is mostly PvE players, and getting a HA group out of them is nigh-impossible. And before anyone says "Well you need to find a new guild then." No. I dont need to find a new guild. I like my guild and have no desire to get a new one. I have no problem playing TA or AB with PUGs, why does HA have to be so exclusive?
Heros are an answer to the problem. My heros won't call me a noob for joining their group. They dont ragequit when we lose. I can take them into HA, see what beats them, and then modify their build to make them better. Heros will never be as good as real players, so I fail to see how this is a threat to the older players (most of the responses seem to be along the lines of "because it is!").
In short, maybe if everyone in HA wasnt so elitest then there wouldnt be a need for heros. As it is, it takes an act of congress for a new player to learn the mysterious ways of HA (guildwiki helps, but its not the same as actually learning from a group), so heros and henches are needed just for new players to have a chance to play.
Sorry for the rant, this is a pet peeve of mine.
/endrant
/notsigned
Seriously folks, as someone who has tried many times to play in HA, and who has been continually kicked out of groups because I'm not ranked, or have the wrong skills, I just want to say that you are overreacting.
I'm not saying its everyone who plays HA, but the vast majority of people do not accept new players. Not only do they discriminate, by they arent even nice about it. You get kicked out with a PM like "OMFG noob stop wasting our time".
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Heros are an answer to the problem. My heros won't call me a noob for joining their group. They dont ragequit when we lose. I can take them into HA, see what beats them, and then modify their build to make them better. Heros will never be as good as real players, so I fail to see how this is a threat to the older players (most of the responses seem to be along the lines of "because it is!").
In short, maybe if everyone in HA wasnt so elitest then there wouldnt be a need for heros. As it is, it takes an act of congress for a new player to learn the mysterious ways of HA (guildwiki helps, but its not the same as actually learning from a group), so heros and henches are needed just for new players to have a chance to play.
Sorry for the rant, this is a pet peeve of mine.
/endrant
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axe
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I am noob at pvp and no one wants me in their party because I am unranked. This is real. If I try to learn something and ask people what i should do when the party is formed I get kicked out. How am I supposed to learn anything? Heroes at least gives me the opportunity to get into HA. I can learn builds and stuff from guildwiki. But until someone would actually accept me (a noob and I am not ashamed of admitting it) I say heroes give a glimmer of light. I really want to learn to be in HA and I really want to gain fame. If no one is willing to accept and teach me I'll keep doing it with heroes.
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That being said, all the ranked players HATE to see HA turn into a PVE fest, it does several things, 1 it forces Heroway Vs Heroway on the first 3 maps and guess what, one of those teams has to win and they win FAME for that which I think is silly. It was very difficult for me to earn my rank 3 and I just think that these players are missing what PVP is all about, and that is CHALLENGE.
HA isnt necessarily dying, its just changing into PVE, ANET PLEASE put a stop to this, its not fun anymore.
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Rakeman
/notsigned /notsigned /notsigned!
I agree with all the previous "notsigned" people. Maybe just remove henchmen from HA, so that nobody can (in theory) solo HA.
I agree with all the previous "notsigned" people. Maybe just remove henchmen from HA, so that nobody can (in theory) solo HA.
Helios Skyfire
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The big problem I have with the Heros in HA is that by using their "use X skill" command on the interface you can easily coordinate big spikes with 0 team skill.
It's pretty much "Punch Button X: Player Y Dies"
Had a team in HA got dropped 1,2,3,4,5... by the stupid hero spike.
It was 2 people and the rest Heros, IIRC.
Not to mention the fact that some of the heros don't appear to follow the normal rules for their class...there's some centaur thing that seems to be a R/Mo or something - but it's armor is probably closer to W, if not over.
Not sure if that's true - or just my hate-skewed perception.
But seriously PvP != PvE. Get the frikking mobs out of my arena.
The big problem I have with the Heros in HA is that by using their "use X skill" command on the interface you can easily coordinate big spikes with 0 team skill.
It's pretty much "Punch Button X: Player Y Dies"
Had a team in HA got dropped 1,2,3,4,5... by the stupid hero spike.
It was 2 people and the rest Heros, IIRC.
Not to mention the fact that some of the heros don't appear to follow the normal rules for their class...there's some centaur thing that seems to be a R/Mo or something - but it's armor is probably closer to W, if not over.
Not sure if that's true - or just my hate-skewed perception.
But seriously PvP != PvE. Get the frikking mobs out of my arena.
Zubey
/notsigned
Will be nice to play HA now, rather than wait an hour in the lobby not getting in a group because I'm not R6+ or some other nonsense.
Will be nice to play HA now, rather than wait an hour in the lobby not getting in a group because I'm not R6+ or some other nonsense.
Y O U Lo Se
/signed
It's called Player vs Player, if you want to play with Heroes go to the Hero Arena.
It's called Player vs Player, if you want to play with Heroes go to the Hero Arena.
Llint
I dont want heroes removed - they play a lot better then some of those players HA. Im not denying that fighting 5 NPC's is starting to take its toll - however ruining it for the people who only use heroes and henchmen to subsitute people is not the way to answer this.
Besides, a team full of NPC's usually wont make it past relic maps...
Besides, a team full of NPC's usually wont make it past relic maps...
hyro yamaguchi
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And Llint, get lost, how about keeping HA fun? How about rewarding originality? How about losing because other players have skills, or winning because you have skills, instead of the AI, wasn't that the whole purpose of this game? Skill wins?
Oh and no this is not coming from a r12, top 50 guild player, but from a r1 player, with only a modest, inactive guild.
Yes there is rank elitism. So what? Be patient for a nice cookie cutter PUG, play long enough, become good, and eventually you will hit r3, after which things will speed up.
r3=180 fame, so that's a maximum of 180 wins. Even if you win once every half an hour, it takes you 90 hours to become rank 3.
Most players have played guild wars at least 500+ hours, and are still not great at PvE, so why should you be great at PvP in under 20 hours or so?
And Llint, get lost, how about keeping HA fun? How about rewarding originality? How about losing because other players have skills, or winning because you have skills, instead of the AI, wasn't that the whole purpose of this game? Skill wins?
Oh and no this is not coming from a r12, top 50 guild player, but from a r1 player, with only a modest, inactive guild.
Yes there is rank elitism. So what? Be patient for a nice cookie cutter PUG, play long enough, become good, and eventually you will hit r3, after which things will speed up.
r3=180 fame, so that's a maximum of 180 wins. Even if you win once every half an hour, it takes you 90 hours to become rank 3.
Most players have played guild wars at least 500+ hours, and are still not great at PvE, so why should you be great at PvP in under 20 hours or so?
Alleji
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The big problem I have with the Heros in HA is that by using their "use X skill" command on the interface you can easily coordinate big spikes with 0 team skill.
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So you have to manually select a target and click each hero's spike skill (and most likely a follow up) and your skill as well? How long does that take you? I bet at least two seconds. A hero on the other team with Infuse or even WoH on his bar = GG your slow spike.
I found that heroes are better at simply exerting pressure or shutdown - you can lock a choker or a migraner on a target and have the same effect as a real player shutting down a target, basically.