/signed.
It's PvP not PvE.
Petition to kick NPC out of HA
Heppie
Roshi_ikkyu
[DemoniC][EVL]
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/SIGNED....
stupid heros are ruining PvP.... its not PvP without the "Player"... since HA has been shortened to 6 players it shoudn't be hard to form groups! |
/not signed
Firion Ashenfall
i reckon just kick the heros..theyre fuking gay for one pure reason, you can customise them to whatever build you wanna run and they use it to its max! friggin humans cant play nearly as good as them
/signed because i hate ANET and their stupid friggin ideas to ruin GW for the rest of us!
/signed because i hate ANET and their stupid friggin ideas to ruin GW for the rest of us!
[DemoniC][EVL]
If they remove the heroes they should remove rank as well, so new players to HA can finally get into teams as well.
Inner Salbat
/signed -- Complete 100% Remove The Bots From Ha!
Firion Ashenfall
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Originally Posted by [DemoniC][EVL]
If they remove the heroes they should remove rank as well, so new players to HA can finally get into teams as well.
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SERIOUSLY rank does not show how good you are...i mean you can have rank 12 and don't even know what a ressurection signet is or a flag stand is..trust me i've seen that happen before
and if they're not gonna remove rank...then still remove heros! friggin IWAY was fairer than heros and they farm rank jsut as well
TheZens
/signed
This is a joke and ruining the PvP experience way more than the 6v6 changes and broken tower madness its just not fun playing vs all this heroway i did a run to halls 2 days ago and every map had a heroway and this was prime time euro.
I have no idea what its like in GvG i guess its much easier to deal with since its harder to control them over large areas and dealing with capping the flags so its not as bad.
If Gaile and Anet think its ok to keep Hero's in PvP they are sadly very much mistaken.
This is a joke and ruining the PvP experience way more than the 6v6 changes and broken tower madness its just not fun playing vs all this heroway i did a run to halls 2 days ago and every map had a heroway and this was prime time euro.
I have no idea what its like in GvG i guess its much easier to deal with since its harder to control them over large areas and dealing with capping the flags so its not as bad.
If Gaile and Anet think its ok to keep Hero's in PvP they are sadly very much mistaken.
Bloodied Blade
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Originally Posted by [DemoniC][EVL]
If they remove the heroes they should remove rank as well, so new players to HA can finally get into teams as well.
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As an above poster put it much less eloquently than probably was needed, you really should have to work your way through HA matched with actual people. The heroes can be adapted, but are still extremely limited in their abilities (unless you happen to be able to control 5 heroes at the same time trying to strafe arrows or some insane thing, you're outmatched by players).
temp
/signed
even tho im an utter noob at HA i hate it when i finally get into a party and the oposistion is full of Heros
i try hard to find a build [99% of the time im on wiki lookin at PvP builds] and i work hard on trying to make that build work. Now im not saying that people who use heros dont try and make builds work. But heros use skills randomly [to an extent] whereas humans time everything and its all co-ordinated.
Even thought im a nub at HA im gonna keep trying [12 fame wooooooo
] without using Heros, cos when my guild does eventually get into PvP more, it'll feel more common than saying "ok u go will him/her" .
on another note, i have noticed aswel the number of people using heros in PvE, now i know they are meant to be used, but when i walk into a mission town there's no chat coming up, nobody is LFP or LFG the only thing i see is the ocassional WTB or WTS advert. the game has become single player. Fair enough you could hench all of factions and most of prophercies, but you NEEDED humans to some extent in those games, as henchies were more stupid than humanly possible [lol]. But with heros now, you basically create each member of your party, EXACTLY how you could want it. This is a good thing [to an extent] cos you know if anything goes wrong ~75% of the time its down to you're poor actions. But this takes the quirks out of PvE, the fun of seeing people using different builds [ones you could never had imagined] and all the mid mission banter that goes on. I know im not the only one who misses these things. =[
i know GW isnt classed as an MMORGP but it'd defo not a Massively Singleplayer Online RPG
my 2 cents
even tho im an utter noob at HA i hate it when i finally get into a party and the oposistion is full of Heros
i try hard to find a build [99% of the time im on wiki lookin at PvP builds] and i work hard on trying to make that build work. Now im not saying that people who use heros dont try and make builds work. But heros use skills randomly [to an extent] whereas humans time everything and its all co-ordinated.
Even thought im a nub at HA im gonna keep trying [12 fame wooooooo
] without using Heros, cos when my guild does eventually get into PvP more, it'll feel more common than saying "ok u go will him/her" .on another note, i have noticed aswel the number of people using heros in PvE, now i know they are meant to be used, but when i walk into a mission town there's no chat coming up, nobody is LFP or LFG the only thing i see is the ocassional WTB or WTS advert. the game has become single player. Fair enough you could hench all of factions and most of prophercies, but you NEEDED humans to some extent in those games, as henchies were more stupid than humanly possible [lol]. But with heros now, you basically create each member of your party, EXACTLY how you could want it. This is a good thing [to an extent] cos you know if anything goes wrong ~75% of the time its down to you're poor actions. But this takes the quirks out of PvE, the fun of seeing people using different builds [ones you could never had imagined] and all the mid mission banter that goes on. I know im not the only one who misses these things. =[
i know GW isnt classed as an MMORGP but it'd defo not a Massively Singleplayer Online RPG
my 2 cents
Roshi_ikkyu
oh and /signed
why its a retarded idea! And painful!
why its a retarded idea! And painful!
Xioden
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Originally Posted by [DemoniC][EVL]
A lot of the HA players seem to say that. If you don't have a rank however it's impossible to get into HA, you'll never even get into a group. Now new players or even longtime players who just hadn't done HA before can finally get in there as well and start earning fame!
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[DemoniC][EVL]
@temp
At least with heroes you aren't fully dependant any more on other players. Some mission from prophecies rarely even have people in them. Now you can at least still do the mission because of heroes. I actually prefer this way. I was getting tired of sometimes trying for hours to find a party. Like when you play an assassin, not a lot of parties would ever accept you, but now you can at least go on with your heroes. Looking for monks is finally a thing of the past, all good things imo.
At least with heroes you aren't fully dependant any more on other players. Some mission from prophecies rarely even have people in them. Now you can at least still do the mission because of heroes. I actually prefer this way. I was getting tired of sometimes trying for hours to find a party. Like when you play an assassin, not a lot of parties would ever accept you, but now you can at least go on with your heroes. Looking for monks is finally a thing of the past, all good things imo.
Inner Salbat
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@temp
At least with heroes you aren't fully dependant any more on other players. Some mission from prophecies rarely even have people in them. Now you can at least still do the mission because of heroes. I actually prefer this way. I was getting tired of sometimes trying for hours to find a party. Like when you play an assassin, not a lot of parties would ever accept you, but now you can at least go on with your heroes. Looking for monks is finally a thing of the past, all good things imo. |
We should start calling them what they really are, "AimBots" which if anyone played unreal tournament will know what happend to that game, when those cheats where enabled/hacked into the game.
Sertu
if u cant beat hero's and henchies then seriously u need help 
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Why do people always whine with every change. Jeez. The lvl has even gone up in HA. Hero's >>igayers. At least hero's have artificial intelligence. Igayers well have none (slight exageration but u know where im taking this right?)
'bout hero's replacing normal players in pve. Well... speaking for myself i never use hero's (except if they are recuired for quests, koss lvl 2 FTW). Get urself a friendly guild and problem solved. We help each other out and create guild pve teams a lot. (we did the missing boy quest in cantha (the one 2 get the letter, on the nub isle) 'bout 10 times so every guildy could do that quest)
*picks up the petition and throws it in the bin*
. Why do people always whine with every change. Jeez. The lvl has even gone up in HA. Hero's >>igayers. At least hero's have artificial intelligence. Igayers well have none
(slight exageration but u know where im taking this right?)'bout hero's replacing normal players in pve. Well... speaking for myself i never use hero's (except if they are recuired for quests, koss lvl 2 FTW). Get urself a friendly guild and problem solved. We help each other out and create guild pve teams a lot. (we did the missing boy quest in cantha (the one 2 get the letter, on the nub isle) 'bout 10 times so every guildy could do that quest
)*picks up the petition and throws it in the bin*
Roshi_ikkyu
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if u cant beat hero's and henchies then seriously u need help
. Why do people always whine with every change. Jeez. The lvl has even gone up in HA. Hero's >>igayers. At least hero's have artificial intelligence. Igayers well have none (slight exageration but u know where im taking this right?)'bout hero's replacing normal players in pve. Well... speaking for myself i never use hero's (except if they are recuired for quests, koss lvl 2 FTW). Get urself a friendly guild and problem solved. We help each other out and create guild pve teams a lot. (we did the missing boy quest in cantha (the one 2 get the letter, on the nub isle) 'bout 10 times so every guildy could do that quest )*picks up the petition and throws it in the bin* |
Its worse then Iway!
Inner Salbat
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if u cant beat hero's and henchies then seriously u need help
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temp
dontg et me wrong, i think that for PvE they are more than welcome
BUT
its removing the quirkiness of it
however it does help with monks n classes that are frowned upon
but for PvP no no no
BUT
its removing the quirkiness of it
however it does help with monks n classes that are frowned upon
but for PvP no no no
Xioden
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@temp
At least with heroes you aren't fully dependant any more on other players. Some mission from prophecies rarely even have people in them. Now you can at least still do the mission because of heroes. I actually prefer this way. I was getting tired of sometimes trying for hours to find a party. Like when you play an assassin, not a lot of parties would ever accept you, but now you can at least go on with your heroes. Looking for monks is finally a thing of the past, all good things imo. |
The Silver Star
Heroes Ascent and GvG is PvP.. meaning Player Vs Player, NOT Player Vs NPC. Thats it basically, please remove Heroes from PvP afterall it is PvP.. not PvNPC. To those who say "if you cant beat them you suck etc.." thats not the point the point is there not REAL players which is what PvP is all about.
Please change it Anet, thanks
/signed
Please change it Anet, thanks
/signed
Xioden
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You seriously need help if you think this outrage has anything to do with flaw lessing henchmen a million and 1 times a day, it has NOTHING to do with it, HA / GvG are PvP ARENAS! do you understand the meaning of PvP? it means players vs players, which doesn't mean players vs player+npcs, it means players vs players and has done so since the dawn of gaming, and if your too short sighted to not see that then I can't help you.
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Roshi_ikkyu
PvP just died!
There is nolonger any need for real players, heroway has killed PvP.
I mean the 'builds' haven't even been found yet, and its already a crisis.
Don't believe the people in this threa go try a few rounds of HA.
I would rather the rank-ist group hate over heroway.
There is nolonger any need for real players, heroway has killed PvP.
I mean the 'builds' haven't even been found yet, and its already a crisis.
Don't believe the people in this threa go try a few rounds of HA.
I would rather the rank-ist group hate over heroway.
Resp
I want old 8x8 HA without heroes/henches.
/signed
/signed
looloo
PvP not longer exist in HA ....sad sad....good work Anet in ruining HA...
Jetdoc
/signed.
Chewbacca Defense
/signed
supaet
/signed
My team can beat other ha "solos" 1v1 all the time.
But in 3 team caps, when the other two teams are henches, and your team is full of real players, guess what....GANK time. If I want to fight with heroes I go play heroe's battle. At least set a limit to like maximum 2 NPC player for a team of 6. Fighting heroes in HA is boring. But guess what, I think anet doesn't care about pvpers much now. But I remember they said they'll put in a new pvp mode after nightfall's release. They said that in the dvd that came with the nf ce.
Anet, please make pvp more enjoyable, here is what you can do. Make people play those factions pvp again. You can allow organized team in fa and jade and give better rewards. That'll be very fun.
My team can beat other ha "solos" 1v1 all the time.
But in 3 team caps, when the other two teams are henches, and your team is full of real players, guess what....GANK time. If I want to fight with heroes I go play heroe's battle. At least set a limit to like maximum 2 NPC player for a team of 6. Fighting heroes in HA is boring. But guess what, I think anet doesn't care about pvpers much now. But I remember they said they'll put in a new pvp mode after nightfall's release. They said that in the dvd that came with the nf ce.
Anet, please make pvp more enjoyable, here is what you can do. Make people play those factions pvp again. You can allow organized team in fa and jade and give better rewards. That'll be very fun.
supaet
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Originally Posted by [DemoniC][EVL]
A lot of the HA players seem to say that. If you don't have a rank however it's impossible to get into HA, you'll never even get into a group. Now new players or even longtime players who just hadn't done HA before can finally get in there as well and start earning fame!
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Not A Fifty Five
except people base how good you are on rank supeat. Try getting into an even half assed team with rank 0. If you do, the team won't get past the zaishenhalf the time. However, I'm a rank 2 gladiator, 600 bal faction, unranked, gald points all earned from builds I've made. I dont hoh, I'm very experienced at guild wars, I simply do not play because hoh is simply gay, theres no way I'd get in a decent team unless I use a guild.
Now if there was a title which actually DID show how SKILLED you are (e.g. you cant get gladiator being a nOOb its based on TEN consective wins not wins) at HA, I might actually try for it cause then I can get relaible people. But working to get a rank so I can go play with some people I have no idea how good they are? Screw that
Now if there was a title which actually DID show how SKILLED you are (e.g. you cant get gladiator being a nOOb its based on TEN consective wins not wins) at HA, I might actually try for it cause then I can get relaible people. But working to get a rank so I can go play with some people I have no idea how good they are? Screw that
Xioden
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except people base how good you are on rank supeat. Try getting into an even half assed team with rank 0. If you do, the team won't get past the zaishenhalf the time. However, I'm a rank 2 gladiator, 600 bal faction, unranked, gald points all earned from builds I've made. I dont hoh, I'm very experienced at guild wars, I simply do not play because hoh is simply gay, theres no way I'd get in a decent team unless I use a guild.
Now if there was a title which actually DID show how SKILLED you are (e.g. you cant get gladiator being a nOOb its based on TEN consective wins not wins) at HA, I might actually try for it cause then I can get relaible people. But working to get a rank so I can go play with some people I have no idea how good they are? Screw that |
supaet
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Originally Posted by Not A Fifty Five
except people base how good you are on rank supeat. Try getting into an even half assed team with rank 0. If you do, the team won't get past the zaishenhalf the time. However, I'm a rank 2 gladiator, 600 bal faction, unranked, gald points all earned from builds I've made. I dont hoh, I'm very experienced at guild wars, I simply do not play because hoh is simply gay, theres no way I'd get in a decent team unless I use a guild.
Now if there was a title which actually DID show how SKILLED you are (e.g. you cant get gladiator being a nOOb its based on TEN consective wins not wins) at HA, I might actually try for it cause then I can get relaible people. But working to get a rank so I can go play with some people I have no idea how good they are? Screw that |
=HT=Ingram
Heroes can attack different targetes or your target or defend whatever you assign it to do, and yes With heroes you have 4 skill bars to contend with, I can spike Obsidain Flame with eh best of em with heroes if I so choose, Or I can spread out the dmage by having heroes attack multiple targets then away from the one I am attacking... Hell I can even set them to defend a flag point while I am off doing something else... And call them when I need them by simplily retasking them...
So STFU if you do not know what your talking about you little piss ant looloo.
So STFU if you do not know what your talking about you little piss ant looloo.
Xioden
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Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram
Heroes can attack different targetes or your target or defend whatever you assign it to do, and yes With heroes you have 4 skill bars to contend with, I can spike Obsidain Flame with eh best of em with heroes if I so choose, Or I can spread out the dmage by having heroes attack multiple targets then away from the one I am attacking... Hell I can even set them to defend a flag point while I am off doing something else... And call them when I need them by simplily retasking them...
So STFU if you do not know what your talking about you little piss ant looloo. |
But I'll give you this much, if you can actually do what you said above aswell as you are trying to make it out to sound, your probably one of the better ones out there.. But that still won't stop you from getting rolled by any half-decent team.
Misa
/signed
After running/losing to/winning against heroway in the past few days.. I believe that Hero NPCs should be kept in the Hero-only PVP ground because HA is now very very dead.
HA is a pvp ground, not a pve-npc fame farming ground.
After running/losing to/winning against heroway in the past few days.. I believe that Hero NPCs should be kept in the Hero-only PVP ground because HA is now very very dead.
HA is a pvp ground, not a pve-npc fame farming ground.
Not A Fifty Five
eh no I'm saying a team that is unranked entirely (one that would accept a rank 0) half the time wont get past the zaishen supeat.
Edit: IN fact gladiator 10 consecutive wins was a title made way after rank. So anet prolly prefers a sort of conecutive wins like 5 consec in HA or something. I'm simply suggesting an update
Edit: IN fact gladiator 10 consecutive wins was a title made way after rank. So anet prolly prefers a sort of conecutive wins like 5 consec in HA or something. I'm simply suggesting an update
osk
agreed with all /notsigned. it sux being unranked. every1 was unranked too.
but now being unranked is like being banned from playing HA....RIDICULOUS!
If u think HA is PvP, form a l33t human guild/group/team and beat the hell out of heroway/henchway....tht's free fame for first 3 maps. at least tht's wat im doing.....
aww some of the posts here are just trash talkin after losing to heroesway/henchway....in order to feel better..... =.= SHAME ON YOU!
/signed if there's no rank discrimination
/unsigned if l33t-ness overflow HA.
but now being unranked is like being banned from playing HA....RIDICULOUS!
If u think HA is PvP, form a l33t human guild/group/team and beat the hell out of heroway/henchway....tht's free fame for first 3 maps. at least tht's wat im doing.....
aww some of the posts here are just trash talkin after losing to heroesway/henchway....in order to feel better..... =.= SHAME ON YOU!
/signed if there's no rank discrimination
/unsigned if l33t-ness overflow HA.
Joao Ninguem
/signed
shaolin mind trick
Liking the idea of limiting the number of NPC's to a team...
dudeimoncoke
/super signed
what is the point of playing against one person and computers who have unbelievable reactions. Try casting anything against an interrupter hero and then see how much fun it is.
Players Versus Players it's called that for a reason. Whether you win or lose to them is immaterial. All you people are saying that if you can beat them then you get free fame and that you shouldn't complain but what is the point of fame if there are no groups forming, if it is just one person with henchmen/heros. I don't know about you but to me rank is there so you can get into higher ranked groups (not necessarily better but most of the time the quality of the group increases with rank).
All the people running heroway are even worse than IWAY. Once in a while is alright if you are bored and are waiting for some friends to get on or something but nonstop heroway? Why bother getting fame if all it gets you is a different animal thingy.
what is the point of playing against one person and computers who have unbelievable reactions. Try casting anything against an interrupter hero and then see how much fun it is.
Players Versus Players it's called that for a reason. Whether you win or lose to them is immaterial. All you people are saying that if you can beat them then you get free fame and that you shouldn't complain but what is the point of fame if there are no groups forming, if it is just one person with henchmen/heros. I don't know about you but to me rank is there so you can get into higher ranked groups (not necessarily better but most of the time the quality of the group increases with rank).
All the people running heroway are even worse than IWAY. Once in a while is alright if you are bored and are waiting for some friends to get on or something but nonstop heroway? Why bother getting fame if all it gets you is a different animal thingy.
Helios Skyfire
Ok, if the big arguement is "Heroway sucks anyway - it'll go away once the scrubs realize that"...why am I seeing top-rated guilds using it?
I just observed moded a #30, #60 and #11 guild - and each of them were using Heroway. One Team had 1 Player, one had 2 Players, The other had 2 again.
And most of their opponents were running heroway, too!
Fortunately - the non-hero-using teams I saw generally WHIPPED the heroway teams...but that's not exactly the point.
If even the top-rated guilds are running heroway...what chance do the 'scrubs' have to avoid it?
I just observed moded a #30, #60 and #11 guild - and each of them were using Heroway. One Team had 1 Player, one had 2 Players, The other had 2 again.
And most of their opponents were running heroway, too!
Fortunately - the non-hero-using teams I saw generally WHIPPED the heroway teams...but that's not exactly the point.
If even the top-rated guilds are running heroway...what chance do the 'scrubs' have to avoid it?