Petition to kick NPC out of HA

Series

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2006

01 Nov 2006 at 22:28 - 161
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skuld
8 districts reduced to 2 and everything being heroway, fun? I'm a lowly 300-and-something fame, and me and a friend play together on-and-off. This is a lot more fun than commanding a bunch of bots. The claim of not getting a group is BS, what am I doing with pugs that others are not? Looking/trying? -_-
8 districts reduced to 2? Funny, I remember seeing 3 districts once a week before Nightfall. Maybe since a new game has been released people are playing it as opposed to doing the same HA thing they've been doing for months? What a concept, that people want to play the new game

Maybe you don't like "heroway" but maybe some people don't like "peopleway". I guess since you prefer peopleway, heroway should be removed from the game? Here's a tip: If you don't think commanding a bunch of bots is fun... DON'T. Are you being forced to? No, just like you were never forced to do Henchway or forced to do VIMWAY or anything like that.

And what are you doing that others are not? Using cookie cutter builds? Anyone can spam "IWAY WAR LFG" or "STARBURST LF STARBURST GRUP LOL" and get a group.

seven

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

01 Nov 2006 at 22:37 - 162
/not signed

heroes doesn't discriminate upon rank.

if more people weren't such elitists in HA there would be no need to
include them there. but with the way things are now, it's one of the
the very few ways a new unranked player can get into a team.

how can new unranked players get rank if everybody is only looking for
rank x+ in the first place?
how can out of the box thinkers without a full group try out experimental
builds when everyone else is spamming cookie cutters?

caewyth

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2006

Houston texas

true fellowship

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01 Nov 2006 at 22:37 - 163
Quote:
Originally Posted by Series
8 districts reduced to 2? Funny, I remember seeing 3 districts once a week before Nightfall. Maybe since a new game has been released people are playing it as opposed to doing the same HA thing they've been doing for months? What a concept, that people want to play the new game

Maybe you don't like "heroway" but maybe some people don't like "peopleway". I guess since you prefer peopleway, heroway should be removed from the game? Here's a tip: If you don't think commanding a bunch of bots is fun... DON'T. Are you being forced to? No, just like you were never forced to do Henchway or forced to do VIMWAY or anything like that.

And what are you doing that others are not? Using cookie cutter builds? Anyone can spam "IWAY WAR LFG" or "STARBURST LF STARBURST GRUP LOL" and get a group.
QFT. /notsigned

Checkmate

dansamy

Chasing Dragons

Join Date: May 2005

Lost in La-La Land

LFGuild

Mo/Me

01 Nov 2006 at 22:50 - 164
Quote:
Originally Posted by Helios Skyfire
And the higher-ranks playing heroway? Explain that one.
I stopped playing Tombs when IWAY started running rampant. (It was just boring to beat IWAY after IWAY.) The average PuG of my rank (r8) consists of ex-IWAY scrubs that don't know anything other than C+space. All of the "old" Tombs players I used to play with have moved on to GvG now and rarely HA. (Same with me, I rarely HA.) I'd rather take predictable AI over random scrubs anyday.

death fuzzy

Lion's Arch Merchant

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Nefarius Union

01 Nov 2006 at 22:56 - 165
i wouldnt complain..easy fame.

Darkpower Alchemist

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01 Nov 2006 at 22:59 - 166
Quote:
Originally Posted by looloo
REMEMBER THIS, all veteran in HA went through stage with rank 0 to 2 where it's just hell to get a place in team, but you could always use friend's help and start team.
This being the case, why does the elitism exist in HA?

If you have all been their, refering to the elitists, then why are you continuing the elitist traditions?

If you guys, the elitists, would let the new players play in HA with you, then who would think of using an NPC? They would have something better to play with, right, like their friends.

Instead, they can't get a group, can't get fame, and can't get help from the guys that are supposed to be good at it. Oven,( Did I get his name right?) at the end of page 1 is the perfect example of the reasoning of the new players for using heroes.

I have played GW since the release of Prophecies, and I have hardly ever been able to get into an HA group. My skill ingame has been seen and respected by other players, but according to the "leet" players of PvP, that doesn't mean anything to them because I don't have the rank to prove my skill. People may not agree with your build, and kick you for that reason alone, instead of talking to the guy and give him a chance to get on the same page with the team.

"OMFG, noob, stop wasting our time!" is the phrase that created your quandry.

For every "noob" that the elitists let pass by with an angry statement instead of a helpful gesture, their are 3 heroes now by his/her side. Who can pass up on the chance to play with people/non human AI who will never scream at you, judge you, or talk down to you for being wrong?

Do I feel PvP should have NPCs playing in their with human competitors looking for other human competitors...no, I don't think that should be the case. However, if the human players won't let you into the group, then you do what you got to do to get the job done.

If that means hench your way to HoH, then by all means, do so.
If the "Leet of the Leet" can't stop your heroes, then who lacks skill?

I think if you're team is getting beat by the kid with a hero team, then you should whisper him to find out what he did, and make a new friend!

guinevere

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01 Nov 2006 at 23:12 - 167
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alleji
It's all a conspiracy and it started even before Factions.

Heroes' Ascent.
Quote:
Originally Posted by daraaksii
HA is no more PvP. there are more npcs than real players.
/signed

temp

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my bedroom

Band Of Death UK

01 Nov 2006 at 23:49 - 168
i miss my iway =[

looloo

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

02 Nov 2006 at 02:17 - 169
After all the debate, i guess everyone got their own argument on whether heroes should stay in HA or not. My suggestion is to at least limit the number of heroes or henchy players can bring into battle so that the gameplay of HA wont be at least "pve" based rather more player-oriented and abusing of heroes' inhuman reflex can be reduced. I'm sure this will satisfy both parties (heroway vs real team) to certain degree. Whats you guys think? Start think of something that both sides can at least agree on something, maybe we can work something out..

Wretchman Drake

Wretchman Drake

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

Charr Carvings and [BeeR]

02 Nov 2006 at 02:21 - 170
Maybe you shouldn't be doing HA if you can't beat a team with henchies. You as real players still have an advantage so quit complaining. You foolishly claim HA got killed. News flash: It got killed when IWAY came in the picture long ago and since then it's been beating a dead horse. HA is nothing more than a fool's playground of cookie cutter builds for the most part.

/notsigned

Raising

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

02 Nov 2006 at 03:11 - 171
/signed

the point here isn't losing or not vs npc teams, its about having to face those teams 90% of the time, it should be PvP not PvAI...

there's already a arena for Heroes battle, lets not turn all PvP into a npc feast.

Wretchman Drake

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Charr Carvings and [BeeR]

02 Nov 2006 at 05:16 - 172
No, it isn't there for "PvP" alone. The purpose of HA is to win for your country to gain favor of the gods for entrance to the Underworld. It isn't a random arena or team arena, the point isn't just for pure PvP sport. Deal with it, if you don't like it make hero teams yourself. With teams so demanding of players' builds it's a good break for others who aren't as experienced. I think what Anet did was a good choice and they obviously must have thought it thru, so I wouldn't count on the idea getting wiped out simply because there are cry babies who can't put up with it for no actual reason. It is not imbalanced, the heroes usually go after called targets, so real people can still run DUAL smite, Heroes as good as they are with reflexes in terms of interupts and such can't spike as well with humans anyways. You still have an advantage, grow up and quit whining.

Link4009

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Elona

Ring of Canthan Knighs [ROCK]

02 Nov 2006 at 06:41 - 173
Grow up Elitists just because your little game of excluding unranked players is over doesn't mean u can whine and complain, get a life, stop using cookie cutter builds, and stop whining!
Its embarassing to yourselves that you complain about being slaughtered by an unranked and heroes, arn't ranked players supposed to be Leet?

Revenge for the Unranked!

tomcruisejr

tomcruisejr

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

02 Nov 2006 at 06:52 - 174
Quote:
Originally Posted by Link4009
Grow up Elitists just because your little game of excluding unranked players is over doesn't mean u can whine and complain, get a life, stop using cookie cutter builds, and stop whining!
Its embarassing to yourselves that you complain about being slaughtered by an unranked and heroes, arn't ranked players supposed to be Leet?

Revenge for the Unranked!

dude, tell them to go away and play WoW .

Link4009

Link4009

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Elona

Ring of Canthan Knighs [ROCK]

02 Nov 2006 at 06:54 - 175
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomcruisejr
dude, tell them to go away and play WoW .
Go back to your crappy raiding parties Warcrack Freaks and leave us GW fans alone! XD
(there I said it)

The Silver Star

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02 Nov 2006 at 09:44 - 176
Quote:
Originally Posted by Link4009
Grow up Elitists just because your little game of excluding unranked players is over doesn't mean u can whine and complain, get a life, stop using cookie cutter builds, and stop whining!
Its embarassing to yourselves that you complain about being slaughtered by an unranked and heroes, arn't ranked players supposed to be Leet?

Revenge for the Unranked!
Ok..

1. Unranked players are not "excluded" just people like to play with people with mroe experienced eg a rank 6 would like to play with poeple at his/her level

2. People dont mind being "slaughtered" by unranked teams.. there build may be counter to yours for al lyou know.

3. Its not that ranked players are supposed to be "leet" its that people enjoy playing againt REAL people which is what PvP is there for.. fighting real players, heroes ar not real players.

I enjoy playing PvP because of playing with/againt real players not to fight with/againt NPC's..

Hell Marauder

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Join Date: May 2005

02 Nov 2006 at 09:45 - 177
/Not signed for both

NPC's don't take away your right to interact with players, humans do, and there're plenty of reasons why people use heroes. That being said, I'd still like to see heroes' interrupting reflex nerfed a little, and limiting one hero per player in HA/GVG seems a good idea. But removing heroes completely from HA/gvg is not a solution, because in pvp real players are both assets AND source of problems, and heroes are there to minimize the latter.

arcanemacabre

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Join Date: Feb 2006

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02 Nov 2006 at 09:56 - 178
If I was losing to a small group of badly-programmed AI mobs, I'd be pissed, too.


oh yeah - /notsigned - I'd like to try out HoH one day, and now I can without drolling through the gauntlet of insults because I'm not ranked. But first, I need to finish Nightfall!

croc

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

02 Nov 2006 at 12:12 - 179
On a related topic I cant get in any top 20 guilds, but I want to play top gvgs and pwn WM and evil, ooh and a a trip to a tourny would be nice.
But I can't do this, as all the top teams are being elitest and wouldnt let me join their guild.
Please Anet, please introduce something so that I can solo my guild to top 20!!!!

The Silver Star

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02 Nov 2006 at 12:14 - 180
Quote:
Originally Posted by croc
On a related topic I cant get in any top 20 guilds, but I want to play top gvgs and pwn WM and evil, ooh and a a trip to a tourny would be nice.
But I can't do this, as all the top teams are being elitest and wouldnt let me join their guild.
Please Anet, please introduce something so that I can solo my guild to top 20!!!!
All i need to reply to this is "LOL"

Bale_Shadowscar

Bale_Shadowscar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Manchester, England

New Dragons [NDR]

02 Nov 2006 at 12:50 - 181
I think Heroes should definitely stay.

There are loads of people in this thread complaining about how "Kick heroes out because its really boring/pathetic playing against henchway all the time".

HA is actually a lot more diverse with heroes. You no longer go up against purely Starburst/Iway/Fotm builds, but a large range of different henchway builds. I say it was a lot more boring without hench, as you usually just fought rubbish fotm groups.

"Henchway" or "Heroway" are not builds, they are just the players in them. The skills used determines the builds, and so allowing heroes gives groups a lot more freedom to come up with new builds.

I suggest that they increase the amount of Heroes to 5, so we can customise the builds fully instead of having to take 2 hench.

The Silver Star

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02 Nov 2006 at 12:52 - 182
Excuse me but Heroways are usually Searing Flameway OR Nubway 95% of the time. But still you dont realise its PvP NOT PvHero/Hench

Wretchman Drake

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Charr Carvings and [BeeR]

02 Nov 2006 at 20:52 - 183
Here is what these cry babies are suffering, assuming you consider Guild Wars a culture in this example.

CULTURE SHOCK:
Culture shock is a term used to describe the anxiety and feelings (of surprise, disorientation, confusion, etc.) felt when people have to operate within an entirely different culture or social environment, such as a different country or a different state than where they live (e.g. suburban southern California vs. rural North Carolina).

PHASES OF CULTURE SHOCK
Severe culture shock (moving to a foreign country) often consists of distinct phases. Not everyone moves through the phases and not everyone is in the new culture long enough to pass through all three:

•The Honeymoon Phase - During this period the differences between the old and new culture are seen in a romantic light, wonderful and new. For example, in moving to a new country, an individual might love the new foods, the pace of the life, the people's habits, the buildings and so on.
•The "Everything is awful" phase - After a few days, a few weeks, or a few months, minor differences between the old and new culture begin to add up to become tiresome and annoying. One may long for food the way it is prepared "back home," may find the pace of life too fast or slow, may find the people's habits annoying, etc.
•The "Everything is OK" phase - Again, after a few days, weeks or months, one grows accustomed to the new culture's differences and develops routines. At this point, an individual no longer reacts to the new culture positively or negatively, because it no longer feels like a new culture. An individual becomes concerned with basic living again, as they were in their original culture.
•Reverse Culture Shock - Returning to one's home culture after growing accustomed to a new one can produce the same effects as described above.

Evidence that whiners will suffer and eventually cope. In other words,

Deal with it.

looloo

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Join Date: Dec 2005

03 Nov 2006 at 05:49 - 184
Why deal with it when Anet could have made things better in the first place..LAMERS

Thallandor

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03 Nov 2006 at 06:03 - 185
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bale_Shadowscar
If you can't beat Hench/Hero teams in HA, then your not good enough and shouldn't really be playing HA "Seriously". If you can, then all the more Fame and Faction for you, so what are you complaining about?
QFT

/NOT SIGNED

Roshi_ikkyu

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

Mo/W

03 Nov 2006 at 07:02 - 186
Still doesn't solve the problem of it being PvP, not PvAI(bot).
Its a dangerous step towards GW becoming a Single player game.

Now before you snap in with a witty retort, remember that GW's main selling point after No fees, was the PvP game dynamics.

Personaly I think it will only be a few weeks before the first builds come out to defeat heroway, and I already know of atleast 4 guilds that have banned the use of heroway/ or just ceased HA-ing.

The point is still Player vs Payer, Should remain Player vs Player. Leave the NPC's there almost harmless. But Anet ditch the officially endorsed Bots!

bungusmaximus

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03 Nov 2006 at 07:50 - 187
Signed, 1337 ts/vent über-players also need a niche...

Cunning

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03 Nov 2006 at 08:07 - 188
/signed

I never thought I'd lose complete interest in HA, but now I have. It's not that it's difficult to play, it's just completely unrewarding to play against NPCs.

Roshi_ikkyu

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

Mo/W

03 Nov 2006 at 08:26 - 189
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cunning
/signed

I never thought I'd lose complete interest in HA, but now I have. It's not that it's difficult to play, it's just completely unrewarding to play against NPCs.
Maybe Anet should update them so they...
-rage quit.
-Spam GG
-complain about "Haxors" and "Haxs" when they lose.

lmao

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03 Nov 2006 at 11:19 - 190
The solution is simple. Make Heroes Acsent like Fort Aspenwood and Jade Quarry, and Arenas... No henchmen allowed so thus no heroes allowed. Simpily hit begin and it will randomly place you in a team. Problem solved. OH.. OH I forgot you posers like your rankests attitude towards everyone else... yea I guess there is no pleasing you then... so nvm... /sarcasm off...

luilui

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

03 Nov 2006 at 12:51 - 191
/signed

Why can't people simply just look at how many international district before NF and after NF to see how popular it is.
Before the 6v6 there are 4 districts 90% of the time, after there are 3, now there are only 2.

Nubs do heroway and i own them 99% of the time. And NO i dont want free fames like that because i'm not fame farmer i play for fun, killing some noobs that don't even know which team is holding is NOT fun.

Also heroways are for fame farmers, anyone who want to have play good games fight good teams know they'll need real players, e.g. real monk real interrupters. People who want to have fun play with friends and socialize. Those people that do heroway are those fame farmers that only go in for fames, because with heroway it's extremely limited in tactics and flexibility, if something goes wrong there is nothing they can do but lose, they can't change tactics, there is no communication in the team, if the monk is dazed no1 will remove it, if there is a meteor shower coming down they cant call for quick interrupt. Only those who just want to go in and click some random buttons hoping they'll get some fames will do heroway.

To those who can't get into a team then go make yourself a team, if you think you are good at the game then you will have no problem, and if nobody want to join you that mean you don't know the game well enough so ur plan/build don't sound convincing.

Gargle Blaster

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Join Date: Dec 2005

03 Nov 2006 at 15:02 - 192
could some of you who keep saying signed... please explain to me why its soooo bad that there is more compitition? cause so far all i see is a bunch of people bitchin that they loose to better players...

luilui

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

03 Nov 2006 at 15:21 - 193
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gargle Blaster
could some of you who keep saying signed... please explain to me why its soooo bad that there is more compitition? cause so far all i see is a bunch of people bitchin that they loose to better players...
Because there is NO competition, i said in the earlier post that i beat heroway 99% of time, it's like in UW u see koss/dunkuro/whatever, u owned them, and in broken temple u own them again, and in scared earth guess what?? u own them again!! all in 2 min. I'm not a fame farmer i dont care about free fames, i play to own some real players. Do u get it now?

Why don't u go in and have a few runs instead of seeing what other ppl said and have an opinion of urself. Then u'll understand what i'm talking about when u fight 4 heroways before seeing 1 team of real players.

i have to stress that i DO NOT care about easy free fames.

Helios Skyfire

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

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03 Nov 2006 at 15:40 - 194
Well, let me start by saying, I, too, abhorr heroway.

But, if you'd like to look to place blame on someone for HA being 99% heroway teams - blame the people in this thread. Not the ones supporting heroway, though. The ones going "OMG! Heroway sucks! I quit HA!"

If all the non-heroway teams quit HA because of a MINORITY of Heroways - guess what? All that's left is those Heroways.

If it was 3+ districts before, and now it's 2 and it's 50% heroway - that's means you've got only about 1 district of Heroway - 1 district of people still playing, and a whole damn district of people that quit and let heroway become dominant.

It's one thing to oppose heroway, to hate it, to petition it's removal and to despise those that dare to run it.

It's another thing completely to go, "H3r0z in t3h H4? OMGZ! /ragequit"

tomcruisejr

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Join Date: Apr 2005

03 Nov 2006 at 15:52 - 195
Quote:
Originally Posted by Helios Skyfire
...If all the non-heroway teams quit HA because of a MINORITY of Heroways - guess what? All that's left is those Heroways...

this one owns this thread. good one, bro.

lets all chant the new mantra...

"If all the non-heroway teams quit HA because of a MINORITY of Heroways - guess what? All that's left is those Heroways."

"If all the non-heroway teams quit HA because of a MINORITY of Heroways - guess what? All that's left is those Heroways."

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MasterThrawn

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Gryffindor

03 Nov 2006 at 16:15 - 196
Why don't they just create a new arena where only real players can participate, turn it back to 8v8 and leave HA to those who want to learn. As long as you still get fame I think that would be a solution.

Helios Skyfire

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03 Nov 2006 at 16:24 - 197
Or, they could make an arena specifically for people who want to run heroway outside of HA - oh wait - they already did that, my bad.

allience

allience

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Mo/Me

03 Nov 2006 at 16:41 - 198
/not signed

as much as i hate the state of heroes ascent since nightfall, i'm not going to sign this. it's true that it's quite boring to fight against heroes but the truth is things got bad since it's 6v6 and a certain paragon skill...

you guys fail to realise the main problen with heroes ascent is Song of Concentration. the heroes are simply a way for inexperienced ppl to get a party. any decent human team can beat a hero team. but it's song of concentration and 6v6 the reason the game bad and boring.

truth is even with a 3 monk backline u can't take the pressure from 8 dmg dealers (2 teams). eventually, during those 4 minutes, your ghost will die. and then the song from 1 of the teams will make the enemy ghost cap. i'm basically saying holding got nerfed. these days holding it's only possible at 'noob' hour, past 1am.
(by holding i mean winning more than 3 times)

heroes have little to do with any of these problems and they don't really affect any decent human team. the only thing that bothers me about heroes is that i'm under the feeling human teams are slowly fading away and pvp is becoming pve. but the heroes are the EFFECT of something, NOT the cause.
the cause is mainly 6v6 and song of concentration. these changes, notably 6v6, made ha not fun anymore for many regular ha players.

Siren

Siren

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Join Date: Mar 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

03 Nov 2006 at 20:21 - 199
Quote:
Originally Posted by Helios Skyfire
If all the non-heroway teams quit HA because of a MINORITY of Heroways - guess what? All that's left is those Heroways.
Dude, what do you really think came first? Actual PvPers leaving or Heroway numbers exploding? Do you honestly believe that serious PvPers that are dedicated to PvP would leave if they were just facing a minority Heroway, where they'd face Heroway maybe a few times a week, maybe 5 times out of 25 matches? Be sensible, man. If there was still honest-to-god human competition, those PvPers would NOT have stopped doing HA. If Heroway was a minority, those PvPers would NOT have stopped doing HA.

You have PvPers in these very threads talking about how at least one team every single match in HA has been Heroway since people discovered you could bring Heroes into HA. Think about that. Let it sink in. At least one Heroway every single match. Some here were talking about--from FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE--that their team was the only non-Heroway in a three-way fight.

This is not a chicken or the egg scenario. NEVER, ever try to spin this like the predominance of Heroway is the PvPers' fault. It isn't. Serious PvPers left HA when HA became PvE every match. You want to talk about what caused what? Heroway saturation caused PvPers to leave. NOT PvPers leaving caused Heroway saturation.

EDIT: And Song of Concentration's impact at least deals with the metagame, and we absolutely have ways (quite a few, actually) to counter it with new Necro and Mesmer skills. That's a good impact, however, annoying, because at least it's PvP-related. This Heroway crap is nothing more than a PvE content saturation.

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03 Nov 2006 at 20:31 - 200
While we're on the topic of being cry babies about how we can't get what we want, change UW so I can solo it again because getting in groups "isn't fun"... /sarcasm off

For the love of god, it's not fair that you elitiests are getting your way in Halls. At least now inexperienced players will get a slight taste of what they missed out on because jerks don't let them in their group. This game... It's a game. Games are meant for fun, so let the newbies have some fun, everyone should have some fun, especially those who missed out on HA for a long time, you guys had your fun. Let them have fun now and shutup.