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Originally Posted by mr_groovy
Not saying it has to be an emote, but some kind of visual recognition would be nice
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Petition: Emote for "Kind of a big deal" title track
NeHoMaR
Ember010
/signed
Great idea, im not doing the title myself buut...pve players should get an emote!!
Great idea, im not doing the title myself buut...pve players should get an emote!!
Sophitia Leafblade
/signed
Great Idea that has no faults, (aside from PvPers who wont like it since they will no longer be the only ones with special emotes) KooBD may not neccessaily show skill, but it shows experience, determination and time. Just the same as the Hero title line does.
Great Idea that has no faults, (aside from PvPers who wont like it since they will no longer be the only ones with special emotes) KooBD may not neccessaily show skill, but it shows experience, determination and time. Just the same as the Hero title line does.
Ung
/notsigned
15k Armor for PvErs, Emote for PvPers.
When 4th and 5th Campaigns come out everyone will be able to get KoaBD title just by finishing all missions without 100% map exploration. It means that almost EVERY semi-serious PvE-player will get emote?..
P.S. There should be only one title with emote - Rank.
15k Armor for PvErs, Emote for PvPers.
When 4th and 5th Campaigns come out everyone will be able to get KoaBD title just by finishing all missions without 100% map exploration. It means that almost EVERY semi-serious PvE-player will get emote?..
P.S. There should be only one title with emote - Rank.
The Silver Star
/notsigned
They have KoBD isnt that enough? Any nublet can get it easily :|
They have KoBD isnt that enough? Any nublet can get it easily :|
Sophitia Leafblade
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Originally Posted by The Silver Star
They have KoBD isnt that enough? Any nublet can get it easily :|
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Originally Posted by Ung
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15k Armor for PvErs, Emote for PvPers. When 4th and 5th Campaigns come out everyone will be able to get KoaBD title just by finishing all missions without 100% map exploration. It means that almost EVERY semi-serious PvE-player will get emote?.. P.S. There should be only one title with emote - Rank. |
anyone one can easily get fotm-wayed to get rank, infact if anything gaining a rank emote is alot simpler, and its possible to get in within much less than a day (if your lucky and/or skillful). While KoABD even by campaign 5 will still have taken that person numerious days to get protector of all 5 campaigns, just to get the lowest emote.
mikkel
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Originally Posted by Ung
/notsigned
15k Armor for PvErs, Emote for PvPers. |
Cass
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Originally Posted by mikkel
This is a flawed argument. When you make a PvP character, you choose to forfeit a lot of the content of the game to have instant gratification. Using the fact that you can't get items from a part of the game you willingly skipped as an argument in this case is moot and rather dense.
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"When you make a PvE character you choose to forfeit a lot of the endgame content of the game to have roleplaying gratification. Using the fact that you can't get an emote from a part of the game you willingly skipped as an argument in this case is moot and rather dense."
Anyway. More titles, more emotes, more special promo items, minipets, hats, dye colors etc etc only results in a complete loss of any prestige you are trying to obtain, by simple inflation. Anet already adds them constantly, so that the squirrels keep running in their cages to get yet another item/title/emote.
Make the game better, add actual content, do skill balancing, add pvp maps... these prestige items are nothing but grind fuel; doing extremely boring things for the xxxth time. Don't try telling me how exhilarating the drunkard track is, or how fun it is to lick crooked walls to explore the last .01%s, it is not. Give me another Sorrow's Furnace-type place over a SnoreMaster (obtained by having your char in /sleep mode in towns for over 1000 hours) title. Or hey, update HA.
ToxicWasted
/notsigned You can say what you want to say, but this title is easy to get and does not take ANY skill, yes you hear me.
mr_groovy
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Originally Posted by ToxicWasted
/notsigned You can say what you want to say, but this title is easy to get and does not take ANY skill, yes you hear me.
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Tell me how a person who decides after beating the game, and his exploration track is at 70% to go for 100%? (FYI gaining cartographer title involves more skills then just Guildwars. )
That's about skill. Now we are not even talking about hours spend achieving the title. Getting 100% on tyria takes a very long time. Getting from 99% to 100% took me a week getting every nook and cranny.
I woudn't call getting the first rank in Koabd easy. It takes time, some skill and dedication.
Wtf?Omfg!Bbq!
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There's only one title, next to rank, that should get a emote. And thats Gladiator Title Track.
Ps. Before this is getting a battle between Pve and Pvp, I also do Pve...
There's only one title, next to rank, that should get a emote. And thats Gladiator Title Track.
Ps. Before this is getting a battle between Pve and Pvp, I also do Pve...
jenkinsbrucec
on another note, i think there should be a $$$$ emote. they way i think this should work is u can unlock this by donating money to a npc and when that number is reached lets use 5 mill just for kicks the emote could be unlocked. there could be more then 1 emote for the more money u donate but i think this would be a good idea to show off, becuase its a pain to log and relog to show off all the weapons that u have
Ung
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Originally Posted by Sophitia Leafblade
anyone one can easily get fotm-wayed to get rank, infact if anything gaining a rank emote is alot simpler, and its possible to get in within much less than a day (if your lucky and/or skillful).
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So. Imagine, new player comes to HA for the first time (maybe he played PvE or random arenas a lot). The way from "Warrior/Monk LVL 20 LF battle (can heal if need)" to "R3 (mo (rc, woh, zb, boon prot, bonder, aoe), Me (migraine, e-surge, PD), R (RaO, CG, barrage)) LF R3+ balanced (TS on)" can't be passed by 1 month without any help.
Earning Protector title - is mission completion. Earning Rank title is Learning, Learning and Learning. It is a fundamental difference, that can't be calculated in hours or days.
P.S. Sorry for my English.
Best Regards,
Ung
mikkel
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Originally Posted by Cass
Funny.
"When you make a PvE character you choose to forfeit a lot of the endgame content of the game to have roleplaying gratification. Using the fact that you can't get an emote from a part of the game you willingly skipped as an argument in this case is moot and rather dense." |
Fame can be gained by PvE characters. They don't forfeit anything but PvP items. 15k can't be gained by PvP characters. This discussion is about simply expanding the amount of titles with associated emotes.
Using the lack of intentionally skipped content on PvP accounts as an argument against adding an emote to a global title attainable by both PvP and PvE characters, like the Hero title, is like saying "This is my ball. It was easier to get for me than you, and you shouldn't be able to easily get a ball for yourself for doing something else because I like my ball and you're not allowed to have one".
Please, think your replies through.
heroajax1
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I wouldn't go so far as t say an emote, but some visualization other than the title display would be nice.
I wouldn't go so far as t say an emote, but some visualization other than the title display would be nice.
freekedoutfish
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Originally Posted by ToxicWasted
/notsigned You can say what you want to say, but this title is easy to get and does not take ANY skill, yes you hear me.
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16 months of staring blindly at maps and finding bits I missed.
16 months of doing missions repeatadly to get corners I couldnt reach.
16 months of trying to get parties together to help cos AI wouldnt do.
16 months attempting missions to get protector.
16 months of frustration and hitting my head off walls.
Yeah... was easy.
Yes I realise you can leach missions and yes I realise you can get run around maps. But neither is that simple. Timed missions in factions cannot be leached as you need everyone in the team to help. Exploration cannot just be run, as you wont get the maps coverage and you need to get into every corner.
That means taking on huge mobs personally. It means dying continually and having the induarance to go back. It means using tactics and get into areas you cant normally get to (top corner of shiros mission).
That may be easy for warriors or rangers or 55 monks or necro MMs, but trying that with an elemental or some other profession who doesnt have an edge, and its alot harder.
Exploration is not something to be scoughed at, otherwise everyone would have 100% on maps, so where are all the grandmasters?
I can only assume you either have it, and your a warrior and found it easy for obvious reasons, or you dont have it, and your just too lazey to try to do it. But your excuse is "its easy to get" despite not trying.
kimahri
/signed, I have a good friend in the guild who has been working hard getting KoaBD and FoW for his Rit and he's got FoW and should have the title any day soon and I know how much work he's put into it. I have to say that yeah, this would be nice, and as has been mentioned adding more normal emotes would be nice also 
Bryant Again
The title is the reward in itself.
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Cass
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Originally Posted by mikkel
You know, I was expecting someone to be short-sighted enough to post something like that.
Fame can be gained by PvE characters. They don't forfeit anything but PvP items. 15k can't be gained by PvP characters. This discussion is about simply expanding the amount of titles with associated emotes. Using the lack of intentionally skipped content on PvP accounts as an argument against adding an emote to a global title attainable by both PvP and PvE characters, like the Hero title, is like saying "This is my ball. It was easier to get for me than you, and you shouldn't be able to easily get a ball for yourself for doing something else because I like my ball and you're not allowed to have one". Please, think your replies through. |
In fact it was your own argument that was shortsighted, as I illustrated by turning it around.My own arguments against a new emote are based on the title/prestige inflaction it would result in, but they did not make your quote somehow.
mikkel
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Originally Posted by Cass
I see my little paraphrase got you a tad hot under the collar.
In fact it was your own argument that was shortsighted, as I illustrated by turning it around.My own arguments against a new emote are based on the title/prestige inflaction it would result in, but they did not make your quote somehow. |
Actually, what you did wasn't turning my argument around. My argument was based on the notion that not supporting the idea based on the argument that PvP characters can't get 15k armour is stupid, as you willingly give up exactly that content when you make a PvP character, in order to sidestep grinding. Since PvE characters -can- infact gain fame, my argument is not reversible, despite of your attempts.
I honestly hope that you're joking when you're saying that I didn't cover your argument of "prestige" in my post, or that you just didn't read that whole "ball" analogy, because otherwise, you seem like a little boy hiding behind big words.
If you look real close, you'll see that I'm saying precisely the same thing I said last in my last post. I'm hoping that a more thorough wording will get the message across. I'm not posting this again.
Ember010
whew its a lil tense in here aint it? PvE VRS PvP lol. And yes you do need 2 learn to go to HA. Which is why I never bothered, hence why I'm not gettint he Koabd title but i know there is alot of work involved in all of them. And congrats to any1 who has maxed out the exploring titles. lot of work lol. =] I know im jabbering but i dont think i could say much without offending people
Ems
Ems
Prefectus
/signed would be nice for pve to have a flashy emote to counter all the wild deer ,tigers ect aka rank
greendc27
/signed It should be something comical to reflect where the quote comes from.
Div
/notsigned. I think i posted something earlier but apparently it never showed up...emotes are meant to show what rank people were before titles came out, so there's no need to implement more discrimination based on title status. lf necro mission+bonus must have koabd dwayna's wings emote under bridge >.>
oh, and before anyone argues that bambi is no work compared to koabd, most people running around with bambis are just noobs that aren't even pvp oriented, as anyone who does HA seriously is at least r6+. now compare koabd vs champion. champion title takes by far much longer than koabd (without running gimmick builds and playing 300 games during the double weekend) and yet gets no emote either. so as i've said before, the emotes were merely implemented before titles to show what rank level players in HA were for better pugging, and shouldn't be added to anything else now that there are titles
oh, and before anyone argues that bambi is no work compared to koabd, most people running around with bambis are just noobs that aren't even pvp oriented, as anyone who does HA seriously is at least r6+. now compare koabd vs champion. champion title takes by far much longer than koabd (without running gimmick builds and playing 300 games during the double weekend) and yet gets no emote either. so as i've said before, the emotes were merely implemented before titles to show what rank level players in HA were for better pugging, and shouldn't be added to anything else now that there are titles
Hell Raiser
/notsigned, why the heck would you add a pve emote for grinding exploration and henching missions or spending hundreds of K Id'ing weps, chest running, drinking beer, grinding xp without dieing. Getting r3 might not take skill while using cookie cutter builds to farm fame, but remember that is PvP.
You can't tell me that a real person that knows what they are doing and is the same level as you is easier to beat than an enemy that does the same thing and uses the same skills and has no mind of it's own, even if it is 4-10 levels higher than you, for example Glint is lvl 30(or 32 been a while since I was at Dragons lair)
Glint was very hard to beat at first but after people saw her skills they developed a build that would beat her everytime, but when you go into any of the pvp arenas you don't know what to expect, all you know is how large the opposing party will be and hope that your build can easily counter it.
You can't tell me that a real person that knows what they are doing and is the same level as you is easier to beat than an enemy that does the same thing and uses the same skills and has no mind of it's own, even if it is 4-10 levels higher than you, for example Glint is lvl 30(or 32 been a while since I was at Dragons lair)
Glint was very hard to beat at first but after people saw her skills they developed a build that would beat her everytime, but when you go into any of the pvp arenas you don't know what to expect, all you know is how large the opposing party will be and hope that your build can easily counter it.
Sophitia Leafblade
Alot of PvPers complain KoaDB doesnt require any skill, it does require skill if you do it honestly, if u do it dishonestly its no different from Fame farming. Fame is not an accurate way of measuring Skill, but measures Experience as many of you PvPs like to try to point out.
Experience and KoaBD go hand in hand, you have experienced the world, you have experienced missions, questing fighting, etc. etc. Koabd therefore is equivlent to the Hero titles, and yet it is lacking the emote/fame that the hero title brings.
If you wont let KoaBD have its own emote set, then why not have KoaBD earn you Fame? Eg. Upon gaining KoaBD u gain 180 Fame, (only works once per account) If you gain the People Know me u gain another 920 fame etc. etc.
Experience and KoaBD go hand in hand, you have experienced the world, you have experienced missions, questing fighting, etc. etc. Koabd therefore is equivlent to the Hero titles, and yet it is lacking the emote/fame that the hero title brings.
If you wont let KoaBD have its own emote set, then why not have KoaBD earn you Fame? Eg. Upon gaining KoaBD u gain 180 Fame, (only works once per account) If you gain the People Know me u gain another 920 fame etc. etc.
Cass
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Originally Posted by mikkel
I'm afraid that you're flattering yourself if you believe that I was at all fazed by an anticipated and thoroughly predictable reply.
Actually, what you did wasn't turning my argument around. My argument was based on the notion that not supporting the idea based on the argument that PvP characters can't get 15k armour is stupid, as you willingly give up exactly that content when you make a PvP character, in order to sidestep grinding. Since PvE characters -can- infact gain fame, my argument is not reversible, despite of your attempts. I honestly hope that you're joking when you're saying that I didn't cover your argument of "prestige" in my post, or that you just didn't read that whole "ball" analogy, because otherwise, you seem like a little boy hiding behind big words. If you look real close, you'll see that I'm saying precisely the same thing I said last in my last post. I'm hoping that a more thorough wording will get the message across. I'm not posting this again. |
I think you misunderstand the original argument. People do not claim that there should be no emote for KOBD because _PvP characters_ cannot get prestige armor. The argument is simply that the prestige for PvP is the emote, and the prestige for PvE is the armor. People feel that adding an emote for a PvE accomplishment would be 'unfair' as it would be a double bonus for PvE only. A bit like ultra-rare armor dropping customized for you in Heroes Ascent maybe.
Yes, you can already have both emote and armor: on a PvE char. A great opportunity to those that don't skip either side of the game.
The "ball analogy" seems to say that PvPers resist the proposal because they don't want others to have what they have. So are you saying that is my actual motivation, rather than my point that adding more and more prestige thingies (from hats to weapon skins to emotes) just dilutes the already dubious goal of gaining that prestige?
Earendil
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There is only one title line that has emotes (excpet the divine thingie from preorder etc). It happens to be in PVP but keep in mind that new added lines for PvP (gladiator, commander, champion) did not get emotes. They did not give emotes even to the GvG season winners (and sticked to cape trimmings and candy weapons).
My take is that Anet thinks emotes to be a bad idea. Really bad. They probably regret having introduced them for tombs when GW started (though they looked like a nice idea then). IMO they will not add any sort of emote for any sort of title and if it would be possible (it's not...relax there) they would remove them completely.
There is only one title line that has emotes (excpet the divine thingie from preorder etc). It happens to be in PVP but keep in mind that new added lines for PvP (gladiator, commander, champion) did not get emotes. They did not give emotes even to the GvG season winners (and sticked to cape trimmings and candy weapons).
My take is that Anet thinks emotes to be a bad idea. Really bad. They probably regret having introduced them for tombs when GW started (though they looked like a nice idea then). IMO they will not add any sort of emote for any sort of title and if it would be possible (it's not...relax there) they would remove them completely.
mikkel
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Originally Posted by Cass
Still a bit ablaze, still so very flattering!
I think you misunderstand the original argument. People do not claim that there should be no emote for KOBD because _PvP characters_ cannot get prestige armor. The argument is simply that the prestige for PvP is the emote, and the prestige for PvE is the armor. People feel that adding an emote for a PvE accomplishment would be 'unfair' as it would be a double bonus for PvE only. A bit like ultra-rare armor dropping customized for you in Heroes Ascent maybe. Yes, you can already have both emote and armor: on a PvE char. A great opportunity to those that don't skip either side of the game. The "ball analogy" seems to say that PvPers resist the proposal because they don't want others to have what they have. So are you saying that is my actual motivation, rather than my point that adding more and more prestige thingies (from hats to weapon skins to emotes) just dilutes the already dubious goal of gaining that prestige? |
Actually, I fully understand the original argument, and I'm afraid that you're missing a key part of it. Let's go over what you posted real quick.
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The definition of prestige implies that it is a quality of something that is limited or rare and sought after. If emotes, and indeed other unique items, become more commonplace, they will, in your own words, become less exclusive, more widespread, and therefore less prestigious. The only way to avoid that is to keep the requirements at a level where it precludes the vast majority from obtaining them.
So isn't my analogy of PvPers not wanting others to have the emote precisely the same as your argument that the emotes will become less prestigious?
Cass
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Heh, I kinda envy your kind at times ... bla bla
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mikkel
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Originally Posted by Cass
Ok mikkel. You're twisting and turning, but the simple point is that people feel that an emote is for PvP accomplishment, and the FoW armor for PvE. It's not so hard. I'm done with this discussion.
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Looking at the sway of the replies to this thread, I'd have to say that the "people" you're referring to aren't the majority.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Earendil
/not signed
There is only one title line that has emotes (excpet the divine thingie from preorder etc). It happens to be in PVP but keep in mind that new added lines for PvP (gladiator, commander, champion) did not get emotes. They did not give emotes even to the GvG season winners (and sticked to cape trimmings and candy weapons). My take is that Anet thinks emotes to be a bad idea. Really bad. They probably regret having introduced them for tombs when GW started (though they looked like a nice idea then). IMO they will not add any sort of emote for any sort of title and if it would be possible (it's not...relax there) they would remove them completely. |
Priest Of Sin
Emotes are lame. /notsigned.
However, if they gave out special WEAPONS (skin-wise) for achieving a certain title, it'd be cool.
However, if they gave out special WEAPONS (skin-wise) for achieving a certain title, it'd be cool.
Sword
You can do koabd in a week easily, protectors are a joke and then u just have to run around corners of maps for 2 cartographers or do others.
/not signed
well maybe if there was letters that appeared above your head that said: "Lfg mission+bonus" or "I waste time hugging corners of maps" then that would be acceptable
/not signed
well maybe if there was letters that appeared above your head that said: "Lfg mission+bonus" or "I waste time hugging corners of maps" then that would be acceptable
mr_groovy
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Originally Posted by Sword
You can do koabd in a week easily, protectors are a joke and then u just have to run around corners of maps for 2 cartographers or do others.
/not signed well maybe if there was letters that appeared above your head that said: "Lfg mission+bonus" or "I waste time hugging corners of maps" then that would be acceptable |
a you play 24/7
b you start a new char for carto.
I did one week over 99% to 100% in leisure playtime. Which involved a lot of photoshop and scouting on a pre existing char.
Kai Nui
/not signed. I have 7 titles complete, but it doesn't need an emote. A special emote would only encourage people to ebay money for drunkard, wisdom, and treasure hunter titles which already have a lot of stress on them to be achieved through this unfair manner. The rank emote is unique to the Hall of Heroes and all maps up until that point, simply because everyone in the world is fighting over this title, and any gain towards it is truely earned. The system may be rather corrupt in some cases for fame, but overall I think it's decent. When it's player against player for a title it's an actual fight. When it's player against arena net's game and rules, it's conflicting. Sure, you can ebay money for PVE titles, but you can't 'cheat' your way to holding the hall of heroes.
Grais
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Sorry, while I can honestley say I admire a few of the accomplishments the titles acknowledge(mainly the cartography titles, just for sheer persistence), seeing the proliferatrion of service providers in the Ventaris,countless people who are willing to provide any title you have the money too purchase. Dont doubt you will start seeing titled accts(if not allready)on Ebay.
So titles mean jack too me now,Im actually embarrased to display my Sunspear, and Ligthbringer, just knowing the negative connotations(?) that go with it.
Sorry, while I can honestley say I admire a few of the accomplishments the titles acknowledge(mainly the cartography titles, just for sheer persistence), seeing the proliferatrion of service providers in the Ventaris,countless people who are willing to provide any title you have the money too purchase. Dont doubt you will start seeing titled accts(if not allready)on Ebay.
So titles mean jack too me now,Im actually embarrased to display my Sunspear, and Ligthbringer, just knowing the negative connotations(?) that go with it.
Akhilleus
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why?
redundant.
the whole point of the title is to display some level of achievement; why create an emote for it as well?
keep in mind that the rank emotes were initiated before titles, and were effectivly the only way to tell (appx) what rank someone was.
whats next; an emote for having a certain amount of other emotes unlocked?
no thanks.
why?
redundant.
the whole point of the title is to display some level of achievement; why create an emote for it as well?
keep in mind that the rank emotes were initiated before titles, and were effectivly the only way to tell (appx) what rank someone was.
whats next; an emote for having a certain amount of other emotes unlocked?
no thanks.
Zoo X
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Funny.
"When you make a PvE character you choose to forfeit a lot of the endgame content of the game to have roleplaying gratification. Using the fact that you can't get an emote from a part of the game you willingly skipped as an argument in this case is moot and rather dense." Anyway. More titles, more emotes, more special promo items, minipets, hats, dye colors etc etc only results in a complete loss of any prestige you are trying to obtain, by simple inflation. Anet already adds them constantly, so that the squirrels keep running in their cages to get yet another item/title/emote. Make the game better, add actual content, do skill balancing, add pvp maps... these prestige items are nothing but grind fuel; doing extremely boring things for the xxxth time. Don't try telling me how exhilarating the drunkard track is, or how fun it is to lick crooked walls to explore the last .01%s, it is not. Give me another Sorrow's Furnace-type place over a SnoreMaster (obtained by having your char in /sleep mode in towns for over 1000 hours) title. Or hey, update HA. |
Touche good post
zarge
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/notsigned
We need a.net to actually work on a skill balancing overhaul, not implement more bells and whistles. If anything, /rank should be taken out. You can already check someone's exact rank through the title display. |