I have been noticing that in the past month America has had favor less and less. Now we are going on our 3rd day without favor for more than an hour. The reason is simple. Europe is either better at PvP or there are more PvPers there. Both are most likely true.
I paid for FoW, and UW content. Now I can't ever access it.
I am not a pvper and I hold nothing against our pvpers in America. I just seems that they are completely out matched. I only play GW to do high level farming. If something about the favor system does not change I will be forced to play another game that doesn't block content from their customers.
P.S. This is a direct letter to A-Net so please don't flame.
Favor system needs to be changed!
KurtTheBehemoth
Vandal2k6
I think the system works well but can totally understand where you're coming from. When we (Europe) don't have favour and I want to go into FoW/UW it's so frustrating (even more so because I'm not good enough to help get it back).
Here's an idea they could use though, how about making the countries without favour pay more to get in to these areas? Maybe 2k or 3k instead of the usual 1k? At least that way you can still get in?
Here's an idea they could use though, how about making the countries without favour pay more to get in to these areas? Maybe 2k or 3k instead of the usual 1k? At least that way you can still get in?
gabrial heart
Meh, this is been a pretty common thread. You get to go when you have favor, thats it by design, just like the elite missions in cantha were/are a sore thumb. I don't expect the system to change and think it makes going to uw or fow that much more intreging.
midnight caretaker
I like that idea bout the extra k to enter fow/uw. The favor system is something that should have never been just like the entrance to cantha elites (which anet has stated was a mistake that they never got around to changing)
How well a continent is doing in pvp should not determine pve play.
People dont go to toa see that there continent doesnt have favor then go to HA to get it back
How well a continent is doing in pvp should not determine pve play.
People dont go to toa see that there continent doesnt have favor then go to HA to get it back
SPIRIT OF THE SEA
Be cool if you always had favor just its hard to get to portal or things in front of it like sorrows furnace
Kakumei
The Favor system has been flawed and needless since the moment it was instated. Yeah, it sucks, but they've been pretty firm in their stance that it's going to remain as-is, unfair as it may be.
SilentVex
Ever since the 6v6 America just hasn't been as enthusiastic about pvp. The number of European teams really outnumbers the American teams, so the only time America gets favor is when a lucky 2 American teams win halls back to back (each holding a couple times). Usually if an American team makes it, they get taken off a few rounds later by Europe, and it only takes just one to end the streak. You want favore more? Come help us win it.
KurtTheBehemoth
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Originally Posted by Vandal2k6
I think the system works well but can totally understand where you're coming from. When we (Europe) don't have favour and I want to go into FoW/UW it's so frustrating (even more so because I'm not good enough to help get it back).
Here's an idea they could use though, how about making the countries without favour pay more to get in to these areas? Maybe 2k or 3k instead of the usual 1k? At least that way you can still get in? |
DUDe that is genious
/signed
KurtTheBehemoth
I suck at pvp or I would. Farming is my game. I just hate that between Cantha and Prophecies there is a lot of content that is completely unavailable to me. <<<<BUT I PAYED FOR IT>>>>
Thats like Texas citizens not being allowed outside Texas because the Cowboys suck.
^no offense to Cowboys fans
Thats like Texas citizens not being allowed outside Texas because the Cowboys suck.
^no offense to Cowboys fans
Knightsaber Sith
Wasn't there just another thread for people demanding 24/7 access to fow/uw/deep/urgoz; and now another >_<
Also it seemed to me like america still had favor for a reasonable chunk of time
Also it seemed to me like america still had favor for a reasonable chunk of time
KurtTheBehemoth
You know what I am gonna do something about this. If anyone wants to start organizing a super HoH team. I have a high codec Team Speak server that I run 24/7 And I will fund a killer HoH team. so all pvpers interested in taking back Favor for the land of the free. whisper me.
IGN- Kurt The Quick
IGN- Kurt The Quick
Quintal
What I don't understand is that you get a PvE reward for doing well in PvP.
Favor should give some sort of PvP reward (fancy glow when you enter, advantage in other arenas, or something)
The vast majority of GW players either like PvP or PvE more. Few play both the same amount.
It would only make sense to have two "favor" systems. One for PvP with PvP rewards, and one for PvE with PvE rewards.
Favor should give some sort of PvP reward (fancy glow when you enter, advantage in other arenas, or something)
The vast majority of GW players either like PvP or PvE more. Few play both the same amount.
It would only make sense to have two "favor" systems. One for PvP with PvP rewards, and one for PvE with PvE rewards.
Kakumei
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What I don't understand is that you get a PvE reward for doing well in PvP.
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Smile Like Umean It
Access 24/7? That is a horrible idea.
And you shouldn't have to pay extra for access if you don't have favor. They should find another way work out favor itself. The fact that access to a high demand, end-game PVE area is determined by PVP is completely asinine.
Someone answer me this:
1. Why exactly did they think this was a good idea.
2. What, because I can't think of anything, does PVE determine for PVP?
And you shouldn't have to pay extra for access if you don't have favor. They should find another way work out favor itself. The fact that access to a high demand, end-game PVE area is determined by PVP is completely asinine.
Someone answer me this:
1. Why exactly did they think this was a good idea.
2. What, because I can't think of anything, does PVE determine for PVP?
Clone
I agree that the favor system needs to be changed. As it is now, the system is more of a punishment to those without favor than it is a reward to those who have gained it. Additionally, saying "those who have gained it" is also somewhat inaccurate. While there are many people who enjoy both PvP and PvE, I'm sure there are people who win halls that could care less about going to the underworld, just as some people who want to go to the underworld could care less who wins a PvP match. This makes the correlation between the two even more absurd.
I agree with the OP's idea for charging people without favor more for entrance. This way it can still be viewed as a reward for people with favor and not as much as a punishment for those without it.
I agree with the OP's idea for charging people without favor more for entrance. This way it can still be viewed as a reward for people with favor and not as much as a punishment for those without it.
seut
I actually registered to this board to post in a thread about fixing/improving the favor system...look at my join date 
vojnik
Just to be pedantic and all,
@ OP, you payed for the license to play guildwars. Not this whole waaa-waa i payed for UW/FoW.
But anyway, it would be nice if there was some PvE method of gaining favour... not always so easy/im lazy to find a decent HA team =p
@ OP, you payed for the license to play guildwars. Not this whole waaa-waa i payed for UW/FoW.
But anyway, it would be nice if there was some PvE method of gaining favour... not always so easy/im lazy to find a decent HA team =p
Cataclysm
As much as I agree with the favor system it is totally flawed in the fact that unless you have favor you cant get in at all. It should be like 5K to get in if you dont have favor, not a total inability to get in.
Stormcloud
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Originally Posted by KurtTheBehemoth
I have been noticing that in the past month America has had favor less and less. Now we are going on our 3rd day without favor for more than an hour. The reason is simple. Europe is either better at PvP or there are more PvPers there. Both are most likely true.
I paid for FoW, and UW content. Now I can't ever access it. I am not a pvper and I hold nothing against our pvpers in America. I just seems that they are completely out matched. I only play GW to do high level farming. If something about the favor system does not change I will be forced to play another game that doesn't block content from their customers. P.S. This is a direct letter to A-Net so please don't flame. |
Make a choice. If you "payed" for UW/FoW then register your account to europe. Since they have favor most of the time during the day that would seem to be your best option.
Kakumei
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Originally Posted by Stormcloud
Make a choice. If you "payed" for UW/FoW then register your account to europe. Since they have favor most of the time during the day that would seem to be your best option.
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"lolz u dont liek it go 2 yurop n suffer from lag so its a moot point newayz!"
ducktape
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Originally Posted by Clone
I agree that the favor system needs to be changed. As it is now, the system is more of a punishment to those without favor than it is a reward to those who have gained it. Additionally, saying "those who have gained it" is also somewhat inaccurate. While there are many people who enjoy both PvP and PvE, I'm sure there are people who win halls that could care less about going to the underworld, just as some people who want to go to the underworld could care less who wins a PvP match. This makes the correlation between the two even more absurd.
I agree with the OP's idea for charging people without favor more for entrance. This way it can still be viewed as a reward for people with favor and not as much as a punishment for those without it. |
For FoW and UW, it's retarded that PvP controls access to who gets in there, why not get rid of that and make it so that you have to beat Prophecies or Factions or Nightfall to get in. Or make some new really hard quest you have to do (a la Titan Quests) to gain entrance. Or make a new zone you have to pass though and kill all the monsters, before you can actually get down to the FoW or UW and the ectos and shards. Anything new, other than the Alliance of Faction Farming system, would make more sense.
Give 10 free urgoz or deep keys per day to every alliance member who is holding HzH or Cavalon. Or free entrance to the elite area while everyone else has to pay. Or a cut of the entrance fees gained by everyone who went in. Anything other than closing out access to everyone but 1,000 people, the system they have now is incredibly unreasonable.
I doubt they will ever get rid of PvP Favor as the access control system for FoW and UW, but they really do need to get around to fixing the ridiculously restrictive Alliance of Faction Farming system that controls access to Urgoz and The Deep. It's nice that someone brought up the issue again, ANet seems to have forgotten their promise to change at least the Factions access system.
Trakata
I agree. While, in the interest of story and "why" it works, it makes sense, it doesn't make sense realistically. Winning in PvP = PvE access. This doesn't make sense, proven by the Go-Red-Engine who posted the PvE scrub comment. Most serious PvPers don't play PvE.
Also, general consensus between most high-level PvPers I know is that Fame is meaningless. So, PvPers don't really get anything out of it besides Hall chest drops. There should be some way for PvE-ers who suck at PvP (myself included) to gain Favor or somehow open access to the Realms for their party.
That being said I don't see it changing anytime soon.
Also, general consensus between most high-level PvPers I know is that Fame is meaningless. So, PvPers don't really get anything out of it besides Hall chest drops. There should be some way for PvE-ers who suck at PvP (myself included) to gain Favor or somehow open access to the Realms for their party.
That being said I don't see it changing anytime soon.
Halmyr
Ok no one mentioned it before, but, what about Japan and Korea, I dont think Japan had favor since there realese, and Korea did not have it for a long time. Feel lucky you can still have a chance of getting in FoW/UW, even if its not often we get favor. And no I'm not from Japan or Korea, I'm on the americain server.
Kakumei
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Ok no one mentioned it before, but, what about Japan and Korea, I dont think Japan had favor since there realese, and Korea did not have it for a long time. Feel lucky you can still have a chance of getting in FoW/UW, even if its not often we get favor. And no I'm not from Japan or Korea, I'm on the americain server.
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Trakata
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Originally Posted by Halmyr
Ok no one mentioned it before, but, what about Japan and Korea, I dont think Japan had favor since there realese, and Korea did not have it for a long time. Feel lucky you can still have a chance of getting in FoW/UW, even if its not often we get favor. And no I'm not from Japan or Korea, I'm on the americain server.
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They have it a lot worse than America...I wonder if they complain as much as us?
Pandora's box
Pah! When GW started the first 4 months it was America and Korea that had 90% of Favor. Players in Europe were desperate. When did it change? It changed after Anet nerfed the monk 50 build. Than players lost interest and that's why Europe now has favor much more.
Back than I thought it unfair when Europe hardly had favor. Now I dont even bother entering UW/FoW anymore. And I dont even have the armor lol.
Back than I thought it unfair when Europe hardly had favor. Now I dont even bother entering UW/FoW anymore. And I dont even have the armor lol.
Ray
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Originally Posted by KurtTheBehemoth
I have been noticing that in the past month America has had favor less and less. Now we are going on our 3rd day without favor for more than an hour. The reason is simple. Europe is either better at PvP or there are more PvPers there. Both are most likely true.
I paid for FoW, and UW content. Now I can't ever access it. I am not a pvper and I hold nothing against our pvpers in America. I just seems that they are completely out matched. I only play GW to do high level farming. If something about the favor system does not change I will be forced to play another game that doesn't block content from their customers. P.S. This is a direct letter to A-Net so please don't flame. |
blastm
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The Favor system has been flawed and needless since the moment it was instated. Yeah, it sucks, but they've been pretty firm in their stance that it's going to remain as-is, unfair as it may be.
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I hate it from day one, and still remember how europe used to have it at best half an hour per day for the 6 first months.That's one of the reason that made me move to the US servers.
nice thing i don't really feel like doing UW/FoW now.
Btw, if the reason why they put the 3 servers changes limit for the whole lifetime of our accounts is the favor, it's one more reason to want it changed.
midnight caretaker
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I hate it from day one, and still remember how europe used to have it at best half an hour per day for the 6 first months.That's one of the reason that made me move to the US servers. nice thing i don't really feel like doing UW/FoW now. Btw, if the reason why they put the 3 servers changes limit for the whole lifetime of our accounts is the favor, it's one more reason to want it changed. |
jenny2
ok i think you complete dont understand what your talking about and you didnt read the EULA.
1. You are NOT entitled to any benefits/content anet isnt aspecially providing to you.
2. FOW and UW are optional contents which are based on a competitive system and thats also part of the game.
3. You CAN ask for a special content but you can NOT demand (want) any content that anet is providing optionally.
-> so FOW / UW are optional content as you can see because you dont need it to proceed in any part of the game
thats about the rules.
and for the other arguments:
a PVP system unlocks the PVE area ?
-> did you ever read the game when playing it through ? if you did you would have seen what favor to pve and pvp have to do with eachother.
So you must ackknowledge that europe earns the favour because they do something for it.
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So if you really want to go FOW / UW there is only 2 ways:
1) practice PVP and make america be in favour more often
2) make your guildwars account an "european" account...think you can switch it a few times.
greetings
1. You are NOT entitled to any benefits/content anet isnt aspecially providing to you.
2. FOW and UW are optional contents which are based on a competitive system and thats also part of the game.
3. You CAN ask for a special content but you can NOT demand (want) any content that anet is providing optionally.
-> so FOW / UW are optional content as you can see because you dont need it to proceed in any part of the game
thats about the rules.
and for the other arguments:
a PVP system unlocks the PVE area ?
-> did you ever read the game when playing it through ? if you did you would have seen what favor to pve and pvp have to do with eachother.
So you must ackknowledge that europe earns the favour because they do something for it.
-> solution:
So if you really want to go FOW / UW there is only 2 ways:
1) practice PVP and make america be in favour more often
2) make your guildwars account an "european" account...think you can switch it a few times.
greetings
midnight caretaker
so then according to the eula anet scammed me by not including the elite mission in nightfall. Anets account gets banned then right?
Kakumei
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and for the other arguments:
a PVP system unlocks the PVE area ? -> did you ever read the game when playing it through ? if you did you would have seen what favor to pve and pvp have to do with eachother. |
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Trakata
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Originally Posted by jenny2
a PVP system unlocks the PVE area ?
-> did you ever read the game when playing it through ? if you did you would have seen what favor to pve and pvp have to do with eachother. So you must ackknowledge that europe earns the favour because they do something for it. |
It's just not logical to me. PvE should unlock PvE areas/things, PvP should unlock PvP things.
PvE used to grant access to more PvP content, before Factions, but they changed that. Why not change this?
Engel the Fallen
Man I feel bad for Taiwon and Japan. They get favor what once a month?
But then again when they bought the game they should have assumed they would not be able to play it all. I mean, why would a game allow users access to 100 percent of it...
But then again when they bought the game they should have assumed they would not be able to play it all. I mean, why would a game allow users access to 100 percent of it...
G_MAGNUS
I think it works fine when integrated to the story line. It is 'favor' by the gods. A way to more or less randomize who gets to go in by linking it to an actual event instead of just making it computer generated. As far as how often America has favor as opposed to others, it's always been time related, haven't seen that change much. And in my opinion, the intermitten change in favor happens more often since they reduced arena battle times and 6v6.
ducktape
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PvE used to grant access to more PvP content, before Factions, but they changed that. Why not change this?
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I do feel quite bad for Taiwan and Japan, I have only seen Japan win a few times and never Taiwan while I've been on. I feel bad for anyone who works hard at PvE and is a skilled player and can't access FoW or UW when they want to because of what's going on in the PvP realm at that time.
rhuber
To all the nay-sayers, fine lets expand the system a little then to make this fair. Make it so that access to HoH is restricted unless there are enough PvE people beating the end game mission at Masters level every 5 minutes.
The above idea is just as stupid as having a PvP outcome affect a PvE area.
/signed
Please change the favor system.
The above idea is just as stupid as having a PvP outcome affect a PvE area.
/signed
Please change the favor system.
Gli
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a PVP system unlocks the PVE area ?
-> did you ever read the game when playing it through ? if you did you would have seen what favor to pve and pvp have to do with eachother. So you must ackknowledge that europe earns the favour because they do something for it. |
I'm just so damn good at this game, no one can stop me.
Oh wait, I have 0 fame, nevermind.
The gods do favor me though.
KamikazeChicken
I think the WaW mechanic is as stupid as people who farm in GW.
Next time do a search. >.>
Next time do a search. >.>
Smile Like Umean It
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-> solution:
So if you really want to go FOW / UW there is only 2 ways: 1) practice PVP and make america be in favour more often 2) make your guildwars account an "european" account...think you can switch it a few times. greetings |
2. I'm not even wasting my time replying to this one. Actually, no, I have a question for you. What happens when Europe starts getting favor less, and America more? Do I keep switching to and fro until I'm stuck?
Yeah, that solves everything....
/sarcasm