More uses for Balth Faction! More rewarding PvP!

Bale_Shadowscar

Bale_Shadowscar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Manchester, England

New Dragons [NDR]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Series
/unsigned

PvP is about functionality, not your looks.

This idea is the equivalent of a PvE player asking for 500k armor because he bought everything he will ever need and wants something else to spend gold on. Guild Wars isn't work... it's a game. Have fun or don't play.
1. OK then, so why have the option to choose different armors on the PvP equipment panel? Why not just have all the same standard "Pvp armor", and just have one set of plain robes for each profession? Why have different skins?

2. Its not like that at all really. to get 500k you'd have to farm items and money for hours. Balthazar Faction you get it everytime you go into PvP, and if you've unlocked everything, then you'll just keep getting more and more to use on what? Sure, you could now just say "Yeah, but PvE players get money everytime they go into an area, so they will eventually get lots of money and run out of things to buy" Balthazar Faction is just a by-product of PvP, and after you've unlocked the things you want, you're not going to conciouslly go out and grind for it, unlike farming money.

I /sign this idea.

nightwatchman

nightwatchman

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

W/

/signed
Great idea. Although I would make the unlockable pvp skins different from pve skins I think.

bog boy

bog boy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

pxks

R/E

/signed i like the idea of having a title maybe like luxon or kurzick

Dragannia

Dragannia

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

Venatio Illuminata [VEIL]

Me/N

/signed.

Obby Armour and the like are rewards for PvE players who spend a lot of time farming. PvP players who spend equal amounts of time in PvP should get the same reward.

Deleet

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

Denmark

Rule Thirty Four [prOn]

Mo/

Hey, a suggestion for the Guild faction pool, It would be nice if you could share faction in the Guild.

Let's say A donates 15k faction to guild pool.
Later that day, the guild gvgs and player B misses one skill to run the new build, the guildleader/officer could then transfer X faction to that specific player. This would help a lot with new players who don't have the skills to play the builds, but still know what they are doing.

4ssassin

4ssassin

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

none

W/E

/signed, but i dont support the fact that i would have to get titles in order to get most sets. Make each set cost 10k faction per piece of 15k. So each set of 15k is 40-50k BF.

Franco Power

Franco Power

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2006

UK

W/

/signed because i dont see it could do any harm but this will make many

PvE'rs and even some PvP'ers that pvp angry because the time they took to get fow or 15k and black dyes to use them in pvp will be useless

Deleet

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

Denmark

Rule Thirty Four [prOn]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by 4ssassin
/signed, but i dont support the fact that i would have to get titles in order to get most sets. Make each set cost 10k faction per piece of 15k. So each set of 15k is 40-50k BF.
You could just buy them in parts, dont have to unlock a whole set at a time.

BlackSephir

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

/signed
Because- why not?
Models are done already...
There's not much to spend FB on...
great idea

ericdanie

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Rio de Janeiro - Brazil

Tribo dos Reis [TdR]

R/

/signed as long as the PvP armors won't be the same as PvE armors. That would help exclusivity. I like to see someone on prestige armor and say "That's a PvE character". Also for those exclusive PvP emotes, they should be unlockable by PvE aswell of at least give PvE exclusive emotes too.
The idea is very nice though. I still have a lot of skills to unlock, but I know I will probably achieve them before next year.

I didn't like the PvP modes where there were no rewards. Pre-Balth Faction Random and Team Arenas, Pre-Titles PvP too. Now I can get the feeling that I'm working towards titles be it on PvE or on PvP.

And the "Balthazar Faction acquirement title track" would be a good measure of GENERAL PvP, not specific PvP as other titles. Think of it as an International Skill Hunter title.

Guild Terror

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

/signed

having weapons in town and outposts as a reward to =P

brokenmonkey

brokenmonkey

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

CA

[UC] Uber Crue

W/

/signed, I do like the option to unlock the PvE armor, Also, how about little stars on your cape? Like say pay 40k faction to have gold star on your guild cape for 2 weeks or so.. Idk good idea though

Franco Power

Franco Power

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2006

UK

W/

haha yeah , lets all have silver and gold cape.... who needs top guilds -_-

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

/notsigned

Bathazar faction needs more stuff to unlock (maybe you could get sugar cakes or ale for every 250 faction or something), but armor.... nah.

Series

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bale_Shadowscar
1. OK then, so why have the option to choose different armors on the PvP equipment panel? Why not just have all the same standard "Pvp armor", and just have one set of plain robes for each profession? Why have different skins?

2. Its not like that at all really. to get 500k you'd have to farm items and money for hours. Balthazar Faction you get it everytime you go into PvP, and if you've unlocked everything, then you'll just keep getting more and more to use on what? Sure, you could now just say "Yeah, but PvE players get money everytime they go into an area, so they will eventually get lots of money and run out of things to buy" Balthazar Faction is just a by-product of PvP, and after you've unlocked the things you want, you're not going to conciouslly go out and grind for it, unlike farming money.

I /sign this idea.
1. Do you know how easy it was to exploit knowing what armor function your opponent had? PvE characters from Cantha could mask their armor function with whatever art they wanted... it is impossible to tell what type of armor a canthan had. However, PvP characters got ripped off with art that showed you what function you had. This was a big disadvantage and I am very glad they fixed the balance there. Why not have one set of plain robes and etc.? Everyone would look identical. If there are two warriors with 2 different armor arts, I can remember- just by looking- which one is the stance tank and which one is the sword warrior. That way, if I see Mr. Stance tank approach me, I know it is best not to attack him with my axe... I don't have to memorize his name, I can just look at the character himself and recognize him. By having people not identical, you can remember who has what purpose just by seeing their character on the battlefield.

2. Balthazar faction exists for the sole purpose of unlocking stuff without playing the PvE campaign. This is a fact. I have my Balthazar Faction capped and nothing to spend it on but I still enjoy the game- blasphemous, I know, but now that my faction has served it's purpose, I am rewarded with EVERYTHING UNLOCKED for every single profession. I can run whatever build I want whenever I want with no limitations. That is the purpose of Balthazar Faction, not letting you get prettier armor.

Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
/notsigned

Bathazar faction needs more stuff to unlock (maybe you could get sugar cakes or ale for every 250 faction or something), but armor.... nah.
QFT. Armor is for PvE and Emotes are for PvP. I would be PISSED if they awarded deer emotes for "Explorer of Tyria" because that takes away everything the emote stands for. It works the same way for armor.

You just got tomahawked

You just got tomahawked

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

H-Town

The Battle Bakery [vPie]

N/

/signed to the max

Sergio Leone

Sergio Leone

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Dallas, TX

The International Terrorists [USA]

W/Mo

/signed

Great idea here man! I know tons of people who are disappointed with their UAX =/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Series
1. Do you know how easy it was to exploit knowing what armor function your opponent had? PvE characters from Cantha could mask their armor function with whatever art they wanted... it is impossible to tell what type of armor a canthan had. However, PvP characters got ripped off with art that showed you what function you had. This was a big disadvantage and I am very glad they fixed the balance there. Why not have one set of plain robes and etc.? Everyone would look identical. If there are two warriors with 2 different armor arts, I can remember- just by looking- which one is the stance tank and which one is the sword warrior. That way, if I see Mr. Stance tank approach me, I know it is best not to attack him with my axe... I don't have to memorize his name, I can just look at the character himself and recognize him. By having people not identical, you can remember who has what purpose just by seeing their character on the battlefield.
If this is implemented the armor would still keep to the standard One Statistics type but vary in look, nothing else. This would keep it how it is just make it so the players who can afford it have it. Basically the PvP version of FoW, an extra not a necessity.

Yawgmoth

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Series
2. Balthazar faction exists for the sole purpose of unlocking stuff without playing the PvE campaign. This is a fact. I have my Balthazar Faction capped and nothing to spend it on but I still enjoy the game- blasphemous, I know, but now that my faction has served it's purpose, I am rewarded with EVERYTHING UNLOCKED for every single profession. I can run whatever build I want whenever I want with no limitations. That is the purpose of Balthazar Faction, not letting you get prettier armor.
So you don't like more rewards? The fact that Balth Faction has only one use doesn't mean it has to be like that, there's a lot of room for improvement in this area.
I wasted (not gained) far over a million faction and i hate it. UAX is not much a reward, it can be made in a month, then there's nothing.
There has to be a way to do something with factions after UAX, the system with increasing cap after getting titles seems unfinished. Additional armor sets are just one of possible options but they seem to be most obvious one. If you don't like that try sugesting something YOU would like to spend your excess faction on.

I'm glad so many people liked my ideas, and I hope some devs also read this.

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

This has been suggested before and still needs to be implemented.

PVP chars should be able to earn Fissure armor just like any other character.

It is grossly unfair to forever condemn PVP chars to ugly armor simply because they are PVP characters. Let them unlock any and every skin in the game, end of story.

/signed

Sir Mad

Sir Mad

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Moe's Pub

Pigs Can Fly [Pigs]

R/

/signed

Generally I say go for it provided it's as hard to get those fancy armor than in PvE (FoW armor mainy). But... unlocking an armor skin means it would be available to all your PvP chars, so the number of Factions to unlock them should reflect that. I think what's posted in the first message does. So, yes, /signed

However, I wouldn't support the idea of having sets costing 10K per part or a FoW armor skin that would be unlockable without a high rank in PvP (champ, hero, glad) for the reason explained above (aka: it should ba as hard to get than in PvE, AND in PvP it's would be for all your PvP chars).

YourDaddy

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

/signed

I personally don't care what the change/addition is, I just know that the number of maxed out players right now is huge and growing and the next chapter is a long way off.

Belleal

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2007

D/N

I don't actually care what the Balthazar faction will be used for, but at the current state of the game it is useless. Make the Balthazar faction usable.

/signed

Alleji

Alleji

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

/signed for being able to spend bal faction (ffs, just add an option to convert it into gold after UAX!)

/notsigned for bringing "show-off" PvE armor sets into PvP.

Orinn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Defiant Dragons

Interesting.

my thoughts:

1: Yes to Armor you can only unlock through Balthazar faction. A LOT of balthazar faction, same as it takes a lot of gold to get FoW armor (and you dont' automatically get FoW armor for your next PvE character- you have to earn it all over again- just something to remember)

2: Donating faction to a guild or Alliance: this really needs to be expanded. There are so many things that could be bought, from guild hall decorations and more detailed cape options (not the unique trims, but new styles, or specific emblems that can only be opend with Balth faction.) I can just imagine going to a guild hall and seeing the gigantic stone statue of balthazar in the middle of their courtyard, and knowing that that guild combined their resources and got 10 million faction just to place it there. Pretty impressive.

3: Are you planning on allowing PvE characters who PvP earn the same rewards? If a PvE ranger comes into HoH, does what he needs to to earn rank, get into groups, and earn that faction, can he get the unique PvP armor? Can he unlock skills that he can use in the PvP areas? Can he donate balthazar faction to his guild towards whatever guild rewards would be?

That last one, well...

FoW armor costs a lot of money to make. PvP characters cannot get to the area where it is made, so PvP characters cannot get it currently. But if a new set of PvP armor was put in, PvE characters COULD work through and earn enough balthazar faction to get it. Should they be prevented from doing so? If they earn the faction, can they get the armor, and take it with them?

4: Black and White dyes: only if they're non-tradable. PvP characters are for PvP. Items come from the PvE side of the game, and are set up in specific ratios to make some things rarer than others. introducing a shortcut to some of the rarer items without preventing it from spilling over into the normal, PvE driven economy, is just asking to devalue those items.

Fender

Fender

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ohio

XoO

Maybe allow unlocking of playful/hearty/agressive/dire pet evolutions and all the pets except black widows, black moas and phoenixes. It would be nice to have something other than an elder wolf once in a while. Not that pets get too much play right now, though.

BlueNovember

BlueNovember

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

WTS GW2 items for Zkey

Mo/

I'm unsure where this "Pvp players should not get fancy skins" rule came from, but it seems to be floating around without much justification.

I have a PVE monk, and really enjoy monking. I have gold to get FoW for him, but now spend far more time on my pvp monk.
It is practically _impossible_ (and certainly impractical) to make a pve char pvp ready, especially a monk. With 15 armour sets and 20+ weapons, my inventory is full and yet still not give me the variation a pvp char gives me.

Summary:
Pvp chars should have access to Fow/15k armour, be it by spending the 1.2 million in gold or by some massive faction donation. Chosing to wear pve armour should not limit your character in the way it does now.

Suggested example system:
Each FoW piece would have to be unlocked by 50 * 25k faction purchases.
6,250,000 faction total, or about 1/2 the cost in gold of pve FoW.
Bear in mind that you would have to have some combination of rank, gladiator, champion etc titles to make each purchase.

Franco Power

Franco Power

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2006

UK

W/

/signed

I want to spend faction

sasukeUchiha

sasukeUchiha

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2007

New Zealand

Da Nine Missing Nin of Akatsuki [llll]

W/E

Yes, exactly what i was thinking, apart from unlocking black/white dyes and 15k sets of armor. The title is a must, or else there's no fun in gaining faction apart from unlocking skills (which people usually unlock all pretty fast). Only problem is that people will "faction farm" or something.

Ung

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2006

UP

Me/N

/signed for more uses for Balthazar factions

/unsigned for 15k armor for PvP-characters.
15k Armor is for PvEers, we (PvPers) have Emotes. If we use this argument to prevent PvEers' whining about emotes for PvE-titles, we have to use it here too to be consistent.

P.S. Sorry for my English.

Best Regards,
Ung

Orinn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Defiant Dragons

Quote:
Originally Posted by Navaros
This has been suggested before and still needs to be implemented.

PVP chars should be able to earn Fissure armor just like any other character.

It is grossly unfair to forever condemn PVP chars to ugly armor simply because they are PVP characters. Let them unlock any and every skin in the game, end of story.

/signed
OK, this one bugged me. PvP characters are not like PvE characters. Endless hours waiting for favor just to get into FoW (that's "waiting," not "playing.") Time to level to 20, doing quests and missions to advance. You start at 20, with all the skills you've already unlocked, so please don't say "like every other character" unless you want the DISADVANTAGES that come with the advantages.

But anyway, really, There should be more things to use balthazar faction on. Armor sets and weapon skins, if people really want to unlock them, then put it in. I'm agreeing: I don't care what it can be used for, but give it a use once UAX is achieved.

Hmm. Wouldn't it be interesting to make an NPC where you could bet Balth faction on your next match? You put up 10k balth faction, nonrefundable, that you will win your next match? Win, and you get points towards a new title, lose and well, you lose? (Yes, I know how wrong this idea is, but it's funny.) To make it even more fun, make separate title tracks for AB, HoH, RA, TA, GvG, AB, and team battles. When you see "Alliance Battle Victor (5)" as someone's title, you know they know their stuff in AB, and have put a lot work into it.

The titles wouldn't offer any real advantage (psychological, maybe- "The RA Victor (4) is coming for me, what do I DO!?!?!") but should they be for a character, or account-based? Probably account, since Balth faction is account-based.

And if you ever wanted to get more PvE people interested in playing PvP, you could always allow people to buy skills for their PvE character with skill points and Balth faction? Not elites, but any non-elite skill that's unlocked with a PvE character becomes a part of their skill list, provided they have a skill point to burn (and really, most of us have a LOT of excess skill points.)

A way to donate to a guild/alliance, to buy neat stuff for the guildhall, is another nice idea. Maybe putting up decorations, trophy cases, or just interesting, non-functional (and "unable to block pathing for guild battles") stuff to make a guild hall stand out a bit.

Diddy bow

Diddy bow

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

Jawsome!!!!!!!!!!!

looking for one :p

A/D

/signed have it transfer into some measly amount of gold or if your anti pve you could get some kind of title for donating it somwhere similar to kurz/lux.

/notsigned for weapons/armor skins thats like giving farmers rank emotes for doing somthing they find easy.

pigdestroyer

pigdestroyer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Los Chavos Del [ocho]

W/

who cares about emotes? , they are meaningless if it were for me pvers should get emotes for opening chests or completing all missions, I just want to spend my faction

/signed again

Wretchman Drake

Wretchman Drake

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

Charr Carvings and [BeeR]

OK first of all, you are all wrong. PvP wasn't meant to reward you a big deal of anything. Old school PvPers should know they didn't even introduce Balthazar Faction until AFTER the game was released. The pvp is for the love of competition, not looks. DEAL WITH IT, I'm sick of you whiners you can't devote your time to EARN something rightfuly.

Unlocked all the skills, runes, and mods? Good for you, but Anet's original intention was for PvP to just be fun, not a grind fest to unlock pretty items.

Besides, if they did add new content, you'd all unlock it eventually and you'd be back to this complaint again. Get over it.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

faction was introduced for only one purpose.

Quote:
Update: Wednesday, June 29

New Guild Wars PvP Reward System:

This week we're implementing a new reward system for Player vs. Player (PvP) combat. When playing in cooperative missions and in explorable areas, you will continue to earn normal experience. But when fighting in Arenas, Tournament, and Guild Battles, you will gain faction with Balthazar, the god of war, instead. Faction is shared by all characters on your account and is awarded for kills and for winning battles. Faction can be redeemed to unlock runes, weapon upgrades, and skills, which then become accessible by any new PvP Only Characters for your account.
it was to allow the PVP player to unlock skills/runes/mods without having to touch the hated PVE.

when you have unlocked every skill, every rune, every mod.............

IT HAS SERVED ITS PURPOSE


FUNCTION HAS NO MORE USE ON THAT ACCOUNT SO STOP TRYING TO POACH EXTRAS JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE IT AND WANT TO SPEND IT.

YOU HAVE 10K TO USE FOR NEXT CHAPTERS SKILLS SO DEAL WITH IT.

Series

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Loviatar
faction was introduced for only one purpose.



it was to allow the PVP player to unlock skills/runes/mods without having to touch the hated PVE.

when you have unlocked every skill, every rune, every mod.............

IT HAS SERVED ITS PURPOSE


FUNCTION HAS NO MORE USE ON THAT ACCOUNT SO STOP TRYING TO POACH EXTRAS JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE IT AND WANT TO SPEND IT.

YOU HAVE 10K TO USE FOR NEXT CHAPTERS SKILLS SO DEAL WITH IT.
Agreed. Once it has served it's purpose, just be glad you never had to step foot in PvE. That is your reward.

Kakumei

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

Quote:
Originally Posted by Loviatar
faction was introduced for only one purpose.



it was to allow the PVP player to unlock skills/runes/mods without having to touch the hated PVE.

when you have unlocked every skill, every rune, every mod.............

IT HAS SERVED ITS PURPOSE


FUNCTION HAS NO MORE USE ON THAT ACCOUNT SO STOP TRYING TO POACH EXTRAS JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE IT AND WANT TO SPEND IT.

YOU HAVE 10K TO USE FOR NEXT CHAPTERS SKILLS SO DEAL WITH IT.
That was the original intent, yes.

So why can't the implementation change two years after the fact?

Alfrond

Alfrond

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

The United States

Boston Guild [BG]

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Loviatar
faction was introduced for only one purpose.



it was to allow the PVP player to unlock skills/runes/mods without having to touch the hated PVE.

when you have unlocked every skill, every rune, every mod.............

IT HAS SERVED ITS PURPOSE


FUNCTION HAS NO MORE USE ON THAT ACCOUNT SO STOP TRYING TO POACH EXTRAS JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE IT AND WANT TO SPEND IT.

YOU HAVE 10K TO USE FOR NEXT CHAPTERS SKILLS SO DEAL WITH IT.
While that may have been its original purpose, I don't see whay PvP players shouldn't be able to use it to unlock cool extras. They earned the faction, I say let them spend it! Besides it harms no one. As PvE players, lets not get greedy here

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kakumei
That was the original intent, yes.

So why can't the implementation change two years after the fact?
ok on the condition i can farm PVE for those vanity emotes you get with PVP

farm X amount for a dog

farm Y amount for BAMBI

if you can PVP farm our PVE goodies
than we can PVE farm your PVP goodies.


or

you PVP earn your PVP stuff
we PVE earn our PVE stuff

Alfrond

Alfrond

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

The United States

Boston Guild [BG]

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Loviatar
ok on the condition i can farm PVE for those vanity emotes you get with PVP

farm X amount for a dog

farm Y amount for BAMBI

if you can PVP farm our PVE goodies
than we can PVE farm your PVP goodies.


or

you PVP earn your PVP stuff
we PVE earn our PVE stuff
This is something I (and many others) have suggested and I still think its a good idea. If A-net implements it, they just need to make sure its fair. FOW armor is a huge freakin' pain to get, so it should be the same way in PvP. The Phoenix is a huge feakin' pain to get, so it should be the same in PvE. Of course, things would be a little lopsided as there are a lot more armor/weapon skins than emotes, but I suppose some new PvE only emotes would be cool. Maybe a big old beer mug for a maxed Drunkard title

wetsparks

wetsparks

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2006

If you have unlocked everything on your account, how about having a spot in storage for Balthazar faction. It would only show up after everything on your account has been unlocked and you can insert Balthazar faction to be used when the next chapter comes out. Deposit the faction in 5,000 faction increments for use at a later date.