I can only gor for skin unlocks ofor:
- Collector skins, weapon and armor skins available in collectors in cantha, elona and tyria. They are mostly the default ones, like Battle Axe, Cleaver and Winged Axe. The armor skins available in collectors are already available for the PvP characters.
- Value:0 stuff. Drinks, sweets, etc.... things with no use in battle, that you can't sell to merchants, and you could trade with other players.
More uses for Balth Faction! More rewarding PvP!
MithranArkanere
milan
I agree that more is needed for Balthazar faction, however I disagree with using PvE armour and skins for it.
I like the idea of unlocking dyes and creating dye mixes as a small part of a solution but if something is implemented it has to be a lot more than that.
I like the idea of unlocking dyes and creating dye mixes as a small part of a solution but if something is implemented it has to be a lot more than that.
NeHoMaR
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Sorry, but PvPers should never have access to flashy armour. Flashy armour, Flashy weapons, they're PvE.
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evil joo
seriously Anet,
/SIGNED
/SIGNED
MithranArkanere
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People don't even start to get the idea. Do you see could be by far MORE difficult unlock a 15k armor in PvP than in PvE? This is not for everybody that make a PvP character and get a 15k armor, it's for people that have been playing PvP for thousands of hours slowly adding 5.000 increments to the B.Faction cap. You won't see more than 1 per 1.000 PvP characters with "special" armors.
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Some hings stick to PvE, some things stick to PvP.
Flashy armor will be in PvP only.
Ascended armor should stay in PvE.
I won't say no to make more armor types available for PvP charcters, as long as they are not the ones with 'ascended' status.
But I think that all the 1.5k armors are available for PvP.
Liberations
/signed
Please Please Please Anet!
Please Please Please Anet!
TheSlyOne
/signed for new Balth uses.
I would love to see some other ways to spend Balth Faction. I hit 10k and have to stop PvPing so that I can go and spend all of it on things I'll never use. We need something that can be used repeatedly. In the OP, he talks about armor, but when you unlock all the armor, you're UAX'd again. Then what do you spend it on? I know that the armor will be expensive, but people will get it and then complain about something else to buy. I could also see booze and sugar rush things going in. They are money sink titles anyway, so let people use Balth to buy them as well.
I would love to see some other ways to spend Balth Faction. I hit 10k and have to stop PvPing so that I can go and spend all of it on things I'll never use. We need something that can be used repeatedly. In the OP, he talks about armor, but when you unlock all the armor, you're UAX'd again. Then what do you spend it on? I know that the armor will be expensive, but people will get it and then complain about something else to buy. I could also see booze and sugar rush things going in. They are money sink titles anyway, so let people use Balth to buy them as well.
Evilsod
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People don't even start to get the idea. Do you see could be by far MORE difficult unlock a 15k armor in PvP than in PvE? This is not for everybody that make a PvP character and get a 15k armor, it's for people that have been playing PvP for thousands of hours slowly adding 5.000 increments to the B.Faction cap. You won't see more than 1 per 1.000 PvP characters with "special" armors.
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Now stop whining about how your armour looks bad. Or PvEers might start to use your hypocracy against you. It gives the exact same stats as a 1.5k armour but costs more. I'm betting if you were given that the next on the list would be some PvPers whining that they can't get FoW armour.
It's not gonna happen.
Yawgmoth
We keep getting more and more "Double Faction Weekends" and faction remains useless. The only new use for Balth Faction we are getting is buying Tournament Tokens 1 for 1000 faction. But that's not enough, because hundreds of thousands of faction is gained and impossible to be spent.
We know that a PvP rewarding system with multiple 'tiers' of rewards is coming, but it's not Faction thats going to be used but Tournament Reward Points won at GvG/HB tournaments. source: http://www.guildwars.com/competitive...mpetitive3.php
Somebody suggested exchanging faction for Flames of Balthazar - nice idea! I forgot about that. But they would have to be quite expensive (2500-5000 fb per one) to prevent abuse.
And last thing - why some PvE players hate the idea of having the hardcore PvPer's get cool armor/weapon skins ?? Oh come on, they aren't even able to enter your PvE towns to show off! And the most elite skins like FoW would (and should) be limited to the very few most elite players, like in my used example Obsidian Armor requires 100k faction cap, and trust me, very few got that, compared to those dozens of thousands pve characters having it. Still it doesn't have to be a FoW armor, it's just an example.
We know that a PvP rewarding system with multiple 'tiers' of rewards is coming, but it's not Faction thats going to be used but Tournament Reward Points won at GvG/HB tournaments. source: http://www.guildwars.com/competitive...mpetitive3.php
Somebody suggested exchanging faction for Flames of Balthazar - nice idea! I forgot about that. But they would have to be quite expensive (2500-5000 fb per one) to prevent abuse.
And last thing - why some PvE players hate the idea of having the hardcore PvPer's get cool armor/weapon skins ?? Oh come on, they aren't even able to enter your PvE towns to show off! And the most elite skins like FoW would (and should) be limited to the very few most elite players, like in my used example Obsidian Armor requires 100k faction cap, and trust me, very few got that, compared to those dozens of thousands pve characters having it. Still it doesn't have to be a FoW armor, it's just an example.
Wilhelm
/signed for exchanging into Flames of Balthazar. Good way to make money, and a good way to save Factions for unlocking new skills when chapters come out.
BDZeres
/signed
PvE players work hard for the gold/materials to craft their armor, PvP players work hard to get their faction and unlock armor. Same thing.
PvE players work hard for the gold/materials to craft their armor, PvP players work hard to get their faction and unlock armor. Same thing.
Not A Fifty Five
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We shouldn't see any. End of story. If they're using a PvE char, by all means. If they're using a PvP char, they get the basics.
Now stop whining about how your armour looks bad. Or PvEers might start to use your hypocracy against you. It gives the exact same stats as a 1.5k armour but costs more. I'm betting if you were given that the next on the list would be some PvPers whining that they can't get FoW armour. It's not gonna happen. |
I don't even see any hipocracy, or are you stereotyping him as the evil PvPer who doesn't like PvEers? (please review his original post, I'd like you to quote where he uses hipocracy)
We're asking for benefits that take months to accrue. Hundreds of Hours.
15k armor takes less than 10 hours of farming, less than 30 hours to get to the place. (9k an hour farming is pretty bad even Solo DoA farming e.g. can get you 15k in ) 15k here takes over 50 hours.
Primevil armor here takes several hundred hours of straight pvp
Obsidian armor takes several thousand hours of straight pvp.
We're saying its unfair pvpers gain no benefit from faction after a certain amount just as it would be unfair if PvEer's would stop gaining gold at a certain point! You can spend gold after 1 million, you can't spend faction after UAX!
Sure you could say.. well.. PvP "isn't about flashy looks its about titles and status". Well its glad you're deciding for us.. cause last I checked PvE as "about getting titles and flashy items" but you're not seeing me complain if you want anything else.
PvEers gain HUGE benefits to PvP (massive unlocking, much faster than pvp!!!!!!!!!!). It is very odd to me that someone would say PvPers should not gain PvE like beniefits given this
Evilsod
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whine...hipocracy... It'd be nice if any of your threads weren't flame
I don't even see any hipocracy, or are you stereotyping him as the evil PvPer who doesn't like PvEers? (please review his original post, I'd like you to quote where he uses hipocracy) |
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Anyway, a bit of a tangent. There is no benefit. If there its not big enough to justify PvPers getting free 15k armour whenever they want it.
Not A Fifty Five
[QUOTE=Evilsod]You need to get your definition of 'benefit' right. To a PvEer it costs gold and skill points to get a skill and in some cases ALOT of effort to get an elite. To a PvPer.. it takes 1000 faction for a non-elite and 3000 for an elite. I may be wrong but i'm pretty sure that faction farming is possible. UAX also has no real benefit. Big whoop, i unlocked the entire mesmer Fast Casting line and a -20 health inscription for use in PvP. Both of those are completely useless (bar Power Return), you only got them because you already had the skills that you might actually use.
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.. except two thirds of GW skills and all runes/items are worthwhile in pvp and some people try all the classes for pvp.
I PvP a lot and PvE a lot. So I can tell you right off that PvEers have a huge advantage at unlocking skills in PvP
PvPer- RA is the fastest faction. GvG may have bigger chunks of it but RA/TA is the fastest rate plain and simply. Under ideal conditions, say you win every match and at a fast rate, you get 50 faction a minute. That's 3 minor unlocks an hour.
PvEer- Ideal unlocking is chest running which I do. You get hundreds of unlocks now with inscriptions, runes, and upgrades, at an alarming rate, over double the rate of balth faction farming. Then there's also elite capping which is a mere few minutes and 1k (farmed in 3-5 minutes) to get 3000 faction worth of unlocks.
So.. PvEers ironically gain more pvp benefits than pvpers.
What do PvPers get for PvE? The HoH chest that only about 5% of pvpers even have a chance at getting anyways.
Its way overdue for some equality
Not to mention this is an easy to implement update anyways, the skins are already there!
And about buying fame thats a poor analogy since fame measures accomplishment while armor does not in PvE. Besides.. I honestly wouldn't care lol, nobody takes rank seriously anymore (did they at one point even?)
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.. except two thirds of GW skills and all runes/items are worthwhile in pvp and some people try all the classes for pvp.
I PvP a lot and PvE a lot. So I can tell you right off that PvEers have a huge advantage at unlocking skills in PvP
PvPer- RA is the fastest faction. GvG may have bigger chunks of it but RA/TA is the fastest rate plain and simply. Under ideal conditions, say you win every match and at a fast rate, you get 50 faction a minute. That's 3 minor unlocks an hour.
PvEer- Ideal unlocking is chest running which I do. You get hundreds of unlocks now with inscriptions, runes, and upgrades, at an alarming rate, over double the rate of balth faction farming. Then there's also elite capping which is a mere few minutes and 1k (farmed in 3-5 minutes) to get 3000 faction worth of unlocks.
So.. PvEers ironically gain more pvp benefits than pvpers.
What do PvPers get for PvE? The HoH chest that only about 5% of pvpers even have a chance at getting anyways.
Its way overdue for some equality
Not to mention this is an easy to implement update anyways, the skins are already there!
And about buying fame thats a poor analogy since fame measures accomplishment while armor does not in PvE. Besides.. I honestly wouldn't care lol, nobody takes rank seriously anymore (did they at one point even?)
mazey vorstagg
/signed. I've never played PVP but it would really fustrate me if there was no where else to go, nothing else to do.
/signed /signed
Also, if there was armour I could get by PvPing i might take my PvE char over to the battle isles and grind there instead of grinding for money.
/signed /signed /signed
/signed /signed
Also, if there was armour I could get by PvPing i might take my PvE char over to the battle isles and grind there instead of grinding for money.
/signed /signed /signed
darknight2169
id like my poor ol' wammo to have access to more than just the knights armor set without him looking completly horrible (no offence anet, I dont like any of the other pvp armors)
/signed
(I like everything, but takes to long to write a comment for it all)
/signed
(I like everything, but takes to long to write a comment for it all)
NeHoMaR
The idea for have a title like "Friend of Balthazar (1)" and so on, is good too. Per account obviously.
For Evilsod: I understand your comments, but please don't make this a flaming thread. BTW, I play PvE too, and I was thinking similar too you in the past, but now for me is different, very different, I need something to do with my faction because I feel "incomplete" when playing PvP. Imagine for a moment you play PvE and DON'T get gold drops because you reached maximum gold cap and there are nothing you can do, not even exchange that gold for anything, and you lose and lose thousands of gold everytime you play, what do you think about that?
For Evilsod: I understand your comments, but please don't make this a flaming thread. BTW, I play PvE too, and I was thinking similar too you in the past, but now for me is different, very different, I need something to do with my faction because I feel "incomplete" when playing PvP. Imagine for a moment you play PvE and DON'T get gold drops because you reached maximum gold cap and there are nothing you can do, not even exchange that gold for anything, and you lose and lose thousands of gold everytime you play, what do you think about that?
Bankai
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id like my poor ol' wammo to have access to more than just the knights armor set without him looking completly horrible (no offence anet, I dont like any of the other pvp armors)
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With the ATS system, you can win qualifier points and tokens by winning HvH and GvG tournaments. With these tokens, you can unlock new skins.
Evilsod
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The idea for have a title like "Friend of Balthazar (1)" and so on, is good too. Per account obviously.
For Evilsod: I understand your comments, but please don't make this a flaming thread. BTW, I play PvE too, and I was thinking similar too you in the past, but now for me is different, very different, I need something to do with my faction because I feel "incomplete" when playing PvP. Imagine for a moment you play PvE and DON'T get gold drops because you reached maximum gold cap and there are nothing you can do, not even exchange that gold for anything, and you lose and lose thousands of gold everytime you play, what do you think about that? |
Not A Fifty Five
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Gold and Faction aren't even remotely similar. Kurzick/Luxon faction and you might be getting somewhere.
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The only way that metaphor works is if using your gold you had bought everything in the entire game that was of interest to you. At which point i don't think it'd matter anymore.
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Evilsod
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That's actually the point. PvE has no such limit, its unfair PvP does.
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j0nas
/signed
PvP exclusive armor would be great and some item skins
but i don't want pve armor unlocks i would prefer armor/weapons that says: "nolifer who spent too much time in PvP" not FoW armor that says: "i have no life so i sit in UW farming ectos"
PvP exclusive armor would be great and some item skins
but i don't want pve armor unlocks i would prefer armor/weapons that says: "nolifer who spent too much time in PvP" not FoW armor that says: "i have no life so i sit in UW farming ectos"
Dubby
/signed
As long as weapon skins and armor skins are excluded, I'm fine with it. Those are PvE for a reason.
As long as weapon skins and armor skins are excluded, I'm fine with it. Those are PvE for a reason.
Not A Fifty Five
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I never said it was fair...But giving people access to a Fellblade skin or 15k Primeval for a PvP char just isn't fair on PvEers.
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Sorry for quoting and rebutting you so many times, not meaning to flame and I hope it doesn't appear that way, but I really do want this implemented and don't see any concrete reason not to have it.
EDIT:and I think the biggest reason for my support is what someone said earlier. Its not like you can bring a PvPer to show off in PvE. You can, however, bring a PvEer to show off armor in PvP. The unfairness of PvE to PvP is simply astronomical at the moment.
MithranArkanere
No.
If you buy the PvP Packs, you get all skills unlocked instantly.
THen, you make make instalty the builds you want, and instalty start to earn faction points.
If you buy the PvE campaigns, you don't get anything unlocked instantly, you may have to spend months to finish each campaign, and much more to unlock all the skills and items.
PvP is easier, because even igf you lose, you can still grind the Training arenas over and over, unlocking everything but the 6000 faction heroes.
If you have an skin available for PvP, you can make if indefinitaly, as many times as you want, with no cost.
If you want to make another single item in PvE, you have to gather gold each time you want to make or get one.
PvP characters have to stick with Non-ascended and collector's skins, it's their fate.
Faction should be tadeable for Value:0 items.
PvP is not a mean to gain gold, but to test and improve your skill.
If you buy the PvP Packs, you get all skills unlocked instantly.
THen, you make make instalty the builds you want, and instalty start to earn faction points.
If you buy the PvE campaigns, you don't get anything unlocked instantly, you may have to spend months to finish each campaign, and much more to unlock all the skills and items.
PvP is easier, because even igf you lose, you can still grind the Training arenas over and over, unlocking everything but the 6000 faction heroes.
If you have an skin available for PvP, you can make if indefinitaly, as many times as you want, with no cost.
If you want to make another single item in PvE, you have to gather gold each time you want to make or get one.
PvP characters have to stick with Non-ascended and collector's skins, it's their fate.
Faction should be tadeable for Value:0 items.
PvP is not a mean to gain gold, but to test and improve your skill.
Dubby
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No.
If you buy the PvP Packs, you get all skills unlocked instantly. THen, you make make instalty the builds you want, and instalty start to earn faction points. If you buy the PvE campaigns, you don't get anything unlocked instantly, you may have to spend months to finish each campaign, and much more to unlock all the skills and items. PvP is easier, because even igf you lose, you can still grind the Training arenas over and over, unlocking everything but the 6000 faction heroes. If you have an skin available for PvP, you can make if indefinitaly, as many times as you want, with no cost. If you want to make another single item in PvE, you have to gather gold each time you want to make or get one. PvP characters have to stick with Non-ascended and collector's skins, it's their fate. Faction should be tadeable for Value:0 items. PvP is not a mean to gain gold, but to test and improve your skill. |
"What's keeping them playing? What do they go for? Do we want them to leave? Should we give them more to work for? What have they purchased so far, would they purchase more?"
Those kinds of things, so this is a valid idea I think.
Master Sword Keeper
/notsigned
Defeats the purpose of RP characters. People who have spent hours of playing and farming to get the money and materials to buy Primeval etc etc and PVP'ers can just unlock it over-night. Don't be so selfish.
Defeats the purpose of RP characters. People who have spent hours of playing and farming to get the money and materials to buy Primeval etc etc and PVP'ers can just unlock it over-night. Don't be so selfish.
Evilsod
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You begin by saying its unfair for PvPers and not caring. And then end by saying if it were implemented it would be unfair for PvEers but you do care there. Is this not bias in its purest form?
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Armour/Weapons should not be a solution for the excess Balthazaars Faction you can get. Even PvP only armours are extremely unfair on PvEers, they have to reach a point in a game and buy them. PvPers could just farm faction.
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/notsigned, pvp should be just about stats not looks. Obsidian armor has same stats as droks so what is the point of it then?
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functionality > appearance in PVP
My suggestion for balth faction you can donate to the guild, pool it together and officers or the leader can use to it to get unlocks for guild hall as alternative to paying gold. Yes NPCs aren't too useful to most pvp based guilds & ones cconstantly changing halls, but hey it's a balth sink ^^
BlackSephir
Yeah, functionality > appearance... so? What's wrong with a pvp player that want's his characters to look different?
Does that mean he's sucky pvp player or what?
But I just had another crazy idea- armours just for pvp, you unlock them with FB, can't buy in pve
equality -,-
Does that mean he's sucky pvp player or what?
But I just had another crazy idea- armours just for pvp, you unlock them with FB, can't buy in pve
equality -,-
NeHoMaR
There are still a LOT of armors, the cheap ones: 1k, 1,5k that isn't present in the PvP armor selection. So, PvEers out there listen to me: Can I use the Elonian starter (1k max) in my PvP characters? unlocking it with thousands and thousands of PvP hours? please please!! Wahahaha! I can /kneel if you want!
Hmmm! I don't remember killing Abaddon with my PvP assassin! How can I do that?
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LuckyGiant
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Yeah, functionality > appearance... so? What's wrong with a pvp player that want's his characters to look different?
Does that mean he's sucky pvp player or what? But I just had another crazy idea- armours just for pvp, you unlock them with FB, can't buy in pve equality -,- |
What kind of arguement is that lol. Your reasoning is terrible, not that there is any.
Equality, exactly you hit it right in the head. PvE farms for 50hrs to get his weapon. PvP unlocks it in what 3hrs...
Fancy skins and armor are just not needed for pvp, all armor & weapon skins serve the same functionality. 6 months down the track, every pvp player will be in the same "fancy" armor with the same crystalline sword and it won't mean anything to them anymore. It's only the PvE players that lose because their effort means nothing now.
Not A Fifty Five
eh this thread is dead. people just don't seem to understand that a unlocking 50k faction something means you need a balth limit of 50k, i.e. zillions of more time playing than pve.
Yawgmoth
This thread got spammed with tons of totally DUMB posts, like for example:
Did you even read the OP? Are you sure you understood it? Do you know that the suggested system makes it like 100x harder to get using faction than by farming? And who's selfish now?
Some people don't understand very basic things:
-Balthazar faction could be a powerful rewarding tool for PvP players but is completely useless now (after getting the easy UAX).
-PvP players can already spawn any perfect stats items and the game is balanced, so the only way of rewarding is through looks. (we're not talking about titles/emotes here)
-Achieving a high Faction Cap requires GREATLY bigger effort than simple dumb farming ( example: I can farm enough gold + materials for that Primeval armor in 1 DAY, but getting the required faction cap (60k fb) takes many many months of hardcore pvp play, and is totally out of reach for the vast majority of players )
-Don't count on Anet creating new armors / weapons just for PvP rewards as there are tons of such stuff already done. I used the existing sets just as an example, I'd prefer getting exclusive new stuff too, but chances for that are quite low.
-If you really think that increasing the number of a certain prestigeous armor by about 1% (and that 1% only limited to pvp chars, so they can't even show off in your pve towns) would make your armor lose it's meaning / value / prestige then... just no comments... /point /laugh at the emo kid.
-like it or not, a system of rewarding pvp players with various tiers of rare skinned items IS coming very soon, it just won't use faction but some tournament reward points.
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Defeats the purpose of RP characters. People who have spent hours of playing and farming to get the money and materials to buy Primeval etc etc and PVP'ers can just unlock it over-night. Don't be so selfish.
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Some people don't understand very basic things:
-Balthazar faction could be a powerful rewarding tool for PvP players but is completely useless now (after getting the easy UAX).
-PvP players can already spawn any perfect stats items and the game is balanced, so the only way of rewarding is through looks. (we're not talking about titles/emotes here)
-Achieving a high Faction Cap requires GREATLY bigger effort than simple dumb farming ( example: I can farm enough gold + materials for that Primeval armor in 1 DAY, but getting the required faction cap (60k fb) takes many many months of hardcore pvp play, and is totally out of reach for the vast majority of players )
-Don't count on Anet creating new armors / weapons just for PvP rewards as there are tons of such stuff already done. I used the existing sets just as an example, I'd prefer getting exclusive new stuff too, but chances for that are quite low.
-If you really think that increasing the number of a certain prestigeous armor by about 1% (and that 1% only limited to pvp chars, so they can't even show off in your pve towns) would make your armor lose it's meaning / value / prestige then... just no comments... /point /laugh at the emo kid.
-like it or not, a system of rewarding pvp players with various tiers of rare skinned items IS coming very soon, it just won't use faction but some tournament reward points.
The Real Avalon
I agree with yawg, but imo it's still silly for the rare skinned items for PvP'ers only, even though that's ANet's idea.
Seriously, only hardcore PvP'ers have a chance at them.
Then again, the majority of Guild Wars' PvE farmers thinks PvP is too easy and if they'd really focus, they could pretty much get rank 12 in a week of 'Fame Farming'
I just suggest faction can be traded for Flames of Balthazar, which would have value at any Armor crafter, Material trader; but making them have a value of around 3,000 gold a Piece.
Seriously, only hardcore PvP'ers have a chance at them.
Then again, the majority of Guild Wars' PvE farmers thinks PvP is too easy and if they'd really focus, they could pretty much get rank 12 in a week of 'Fame Farming'
I just suggest faction can be traded for Flames of Balthazar, which would have value at any Armor crafter, Material trader; but making them have a value of around 3,000 gold a Piece.
BlackSephir
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What kind of arguement is that lol. Your reasoning is terrible, not that there is any.
Equality, exactly you hit it right in the head. PvE farms for 50hrs to get his weapon. PvP unlocks it in what 3hrs... Fancy skins and armor are just not needed for pvp, all armor & weapon skins serve the same functionality. 6 months down the track, every pvp player will be in the same "fancy" armor with the same crystalline sword and it won't mean anything to them anymore. It's only the PvE players that lose because their effort means nothing now. |
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Oooh right, you sacrificed 2 years to get blahblahblah
So my point was- make PVP ONLY armours, FB unlockable- what's 'not fair' about it? Pve players will have their own 'prestige' armour and pvp players too
I've said it in my previous post but it seems it's stupid to belive that random_userz will read whole posts...
"But I just had another crazy idea- armours just for pvp, you unlock them with FB, can't buy in pve
equality -,-"
That's what I've said
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This is funny- so you're telling me that fancy skins and armours ARE needed in PVE?
Sword with mega-fancy skin 15^50 20/20 has other functionality than wooden sword 15^50 20/20 ?But I guess you're right... I wouldn't be able to beat Abaddon if not for my fancy armour and weapon... oh wait a minute... I don't have a fancy armour and weapon! Nevermind then...
Fey
I do not think, as iv said before that PvP charecters should be able to get End game armor or obsidian/15k, though i have no problems with any other armors from the PVE section of the game.
Also i had an idea on what else could be intregrated into the game to spend faction on.
I thought of a 'Tabard' thats worn rather like the 'Guild tabards' in world of warcraft on torso of the charecter over any armor. It serves both an aesthetic and practical use, the tabard will have customizable Logo's and borders (like guild capes) and when you are placed in a team in an PVP arena the background of the tabard will change colour depending on what team your on, it acts as another visual aid to see your team and also gives the feeling of comradeship when going into battles.
I was thinking that designs and the actual tabard could be unlockable with balthazar faction, it could be an endless source as there are many designs that could be implemented.
well thats just my idea for faction.
Also i had an idea on what else could be intregrated into the game to spend faction on.
I thought of a 'Tabard' thats worn rather like the 'Guild tabards' in world of warcraft on torso of the charecter over any armor. It serves both an aesthetic and practical use, the tabard will have customizable Logo's and borders (like guild capes) and when you are placed in a team in an PVP arena the background of the tabard will change colour depending on what team your on, it acts as another visual aid to see your team and also gives the feeling of comradeship when going into battles.
I was thinking that designs and the actual tabard could be unlockable with balthazar faction, it could be an endless source as there are many designs that could be implemented.
well thats just my idea for faction.
NeHoMaR
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This thread got spammed with tons of totally DUMB posts... Did you even read the OP? Are you sure you understood it? Do you know that the suggested system makes it like 100x harder to get using faction than by farming? And who's selfish now?....
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Evilsod
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Yeah, I am really impressed how some people don't get the idea, when we say "unlocking an armor skin with 50k factions" they think is just make 50.000 and done, and don't see you actually need a 50k faction cap, I can farm 10 FoW armors in the total time I expended getting that faction maximum capacity, if I talk about the real faction I got, is like 1.500.000 factions. If ArenaNet give me 15.000.000 gold for my work, that will be less money than I could normally get in PvE with the same work. So, PvE-only people, please shut up! it's enough!
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When we can buy Fame in end-game areas, then you can come and whine. Until then, they stay seperate.
chembaron
I agree that obsidian needs to stay pve, but a pvp-only armor set would be nice to see. People who are hardcore pvp deserve an "elite" armor set just as those who play pve hardcore. I don't like pvp; I don't play pvp. So, I think I'm being fairly unbiased and fair by agreeing to pvp-only armor.