Are you going to buy the next chapter?
Charrbane
I will definitely buy the next chapter. Looking forward to whatever they come up with next.
Kaane
I will be buying.
I could care less if you buy it or not. I suspect most other people don't really care who else on this forum is buying it or not.
I could care less if you buy it or not. I suspect most other people don't really care who else on this forum is buying it or not.
scrinner
The Problem is not with whatever the OP said.
The OP Really should go find a guild and get outside his cacooon. I started to feel somewhat disappointed after my first shot through the game but with the recent upgrades (DOA) im glad i did that. The place requires so much thinking, any ordinary RS/WOW/MMO player would have alot of difficulty playing it.
Alot of people complain about a grind in the game. Lets get this straight-
THERE IS NO GRIND
The only grind that exists is the grind you want to do. Remember the game may have some expensive things but ANET has tackled that for people that dont want to farm money and all.
Oh and btw: You not buying the next chapter wont affect diffusion.
Remember those things called collectors?
In the end, Yes i will buy the next chapter as guildwars is probably one of the best MMO's ive played due to its strategic thoughtset aswell. Sure Guildwars should work on its replayability, But at the moment its not that bad. I believe its just the OP hasnt grasped the concept of the game. But he/she is entitled to their thoughts
The OP Really should go find a guild and get outside his cacooon. I started to feel somewhat disappointed after my first shot through the game but with the recent upgrades (DOA) im glad i did that. The place requires so much thinking, any ordinary RS/WOW/MMO player would have alot of difficulty playing it.
Alot of people complain about a grind in the game. Lets get this straight-
THERE IS NO GRIND
The only grind that exists is the grind you want to do. Remember the game may have some expensive things but ANET has tackled that for people that dont want to farm money and all.
Oh and btw: You not buying the next chapter wont affect diffusion.
Remember those things called collectors?
In the end, Yes i will buy the next chapter as guildwars is probably one of the best MMO's ive played due to its strategic thoughtset aswell. Sure Guildwars should work on its replayability, But at the moment its not that bad. I believe its just the OP hasnt grasped the concept of the game. But he/she is entitled to their thoughts
Mister_Smiley
I played Diablo 2 for many years and that all went to hell. I love the new stuff the Guildwars has and it keeps me wanting more and more. I love the hero conept(exp how you get Rit hero..) and i not really inpressed with some of the new items, but i will keep playing Guildwars for a long time. So i will but the CE for the next expansion, can't wait to see what they come out with next.
Riotgear
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When ANet finally gives us "word" on extra storage, I'll gladly give my "word" on the next installment.
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Thalion Galad
Hi All
I agree with OP...
>But i'll buy the next chapter<
I agree with OP...
>But i'll buy the next chapter<
SirShadowrunner
Probably will, but that is a longs ways off, just have to see if NF can hold
my interest, which is starting to waver, I like the new things in NF but
it is starting to get repetitive, like someone mentioned earlier, the thought
of pushing 9 toons thru the game and get enough stuff to put on all the
hereos is kind depressing, seems like you are kind of forced to pick a toon
and build those up.
My biggest disappointment so far, is I have completed the game with 3 toons
and have not gotten one green drop, and only one decent gold drop, which
is a perfect defender shield which is a Prophecies item, but it matches my
cape perfectly so that was cool!!!!!
just have fun and say hi..........
my interest, which is starting to waver, I like the new things in NF but
it is starting to get repetitive, like someone mentioned earlier, the thought
of pushing 9 toons thru the game and get enough stuff to put on all the
hereos is kind depressing, seems like you are kind of forced to pick a toon
and build those up.
My biggest disappointment so far, is I have completed the game with 3 toons
and have not gotten one green drop, and only one decent gold drop, which
is a perfect defender shield which is a Prophecies item, but it matches my
cape perfectly so that was cool!!!!!
just have fun and say hi..........
viper008
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Originally Posted by Pro-Monk
Unless Anet makes some changes in Nightfall, I won't be buying the next chapter.
It's too bad that Anet has chosen to depart from the formula that initally made the PvE side of the game such a success. Low lag, doable missions or quests, and lack of "grinding" was what attracted many to Prophecies. As one progressed through the game and leveled their character, each area presented the appropriate challenge for the average player. As would be expected, some players found ways to "exploit" the game while others tried to "shortcut" it. In both instances there came cries of the game being "too easy" on the one hand and "too hard" on the other. Unfortunately, both Factions and Nightfall (which in themselves had great potential to carry on the original forumla) fell victim to Anet's attempt to "correct" perceived problems. Factions introduced fast leveling, a push towards PvP (with faction points and alliances), and the attempts to thwart exploits. As a result it also introduced more lag, a much greater degree of difficulty for the average player, grinding, and a total failure to stop exploits. It also did little to enhance the PvP portion of the game. Nightfall, it appears, has been given over to those that are the "hardcore" GW players (many of whom are the very exploiters that Anet tries so hard to thwart). It has tremendously increased lag (for a great many if you monitor chat much), become far too difficult for the average player, and introduced "grinding" as part of the game. What Anet must realize is that fansite forums, especially this one, does not necessarily represent the vast number of average players. In fact, this fansite is actually responsible for promoting many of the "ills' that Anet seemingly wishes to correct. Many, if not most, exploits have their beginnings these very forums. It is not difficult to read about how "easy" it is to circumvent any part of the game, by the "regular" posters in these forums. In fact, there is a great deal of "bragging rights" obtained through announcing how one has found some way too gain an unfair avantage over other players through exploiting some aspect of the game. In many cases, these are the same players that complain about how the game is too easy! Anet should make every attempt to return the game to it's original formula. Attempting to stop exploiters and cater to the "hardcore" GW players has only made the game far less enjoyable for most players. There are still those that are exploiting portions of the game, and the "hardcore" GW players are still not placated. Nightfall is an exercise in frustration for the average player. Rather than rely on fansite forums, have the GM's monitor chat and even engage in some dialog with players. I'm sure they would find that many long time GW players are sorely disappointed with the state of the game. Please, make the game"doable" for the average player, minimize the grinding, and make GW fun again. |
Lilanthe
I won't.
I'm growing sick of gw.
I'll get Aion.
I'm growing sick of gw.
I'll get Aion.
Clawdius_Talonious
I'll be buying it, and enjoying the new PVP styles to come with Chapter 4. As for people who can't handle the Nightfall PVE with heroes, I don't know what to say, I've beaten every mission in the game (gotten masters on most) with just myself and heroes.
dwc89
It is a bit early for me to say - leaning towards yes, however that could change.
The problem lately has been most of my fun playing is coming from Prophecies - friends doing FoW, Tombs, etc. Also have been doing SF runs with a friend and heroes - 3 things with the SF runs, 1 after all is said and done 2-3k gold, 2 possible greens( nice to equip heroes), 3 and this is what matters most - IT IS FUN! Go figure, need gold for whatever go to prophecies or factions.
The thing with NF is that I am having trouble getting motivated to bring chars through the game - seems like a chore sometimes. I have been enjoying the new area, mostly because of teams I have been lucky to be on. That has motivated me a bit more.
So, we will see when chap 4 is set to come out where I'm at.
The problem lately has been most of my fun playing is coming from Prophecies - friends doing FoW, Tombs, etc. Also have been doing SF runs with a friend and heroes - 3 things with the SF runs, 1 after all is said and done 2-3k gold, 2 possible greens( nice to equip heroes), 3 and this is what matters most - IT IS FUN! Go figure, need gold for whatever go to prophecies or factions.
The thing with NF is that I am having trouble getting motivated to bring chars through the game - seems like a chore sometimes. I have been enjoying the new area, mostly because of teams I have been lucky to be on. That has motivated me a bit more.
So, we will see when chap 4 is set to come out where I'm at.
Xenrath
Unless something major happens to encourage teamplay again (in PvE, I don't care for PvP) then quite probably not. I can find plenty of other single player games and probably some better ones in future. Guild Wars co-op/multiplayer is looking more and more a thing of the past. I don't buy a multiplayer game just to play with bots.
Teufel Eldritch
I will most likely buy Chp 4. A 'last chance' purchase. Chp 5? Most likely not, but that all depends on Chp 4.
Damma
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Originally Posted by Pro-Monk
Unless Anet makes some changes in Nightfall, I won't be buying the next chapter.
It's too bad that Anet has chosen to depart from the formula that initally made the PvE side of the game such a success. Low lag, doable missions or quests, and lack of "grinding" was what attracted many to Prophecies. As one progressed through the game and leveled their character, each area presented the appropriate challenge for the average player. As would be expected, some players found ways to "exploit" the game while others tried to "shortcut" it. In both instances there came cries of the game being "too easy" on the one hand and "too hard" on the other. Unfortunately, both Factions and Nightfall (which in themselves had great potential to carry on the original forumla) fell victim to Anet's attempt to "correct" perceived problems. Factions introduced fast leveling, a push towards PvP (with faction points and alliances), and the attempts to thwart exploits. As a result it also introduced more lag, a much greater degree of difficulty for the average player, grinding, and a total failure to stop exploits. It also did little to enhance the PvP portion of the game. Nightfall, it appears, has been given over to those that are the "hardcore" GW players (many of whom are the very exploiters that Anet tries so hard to thwart). It has tremendously increased lag (for a great many if you monitor chat much), become far too difficult for the average player, and introduced "grinding" as part of the game. What Anet must realize is that fansite forums, especially this one, does not necessarily represent the vast number of average players. In fact, this fansite is actually responsible for promoting many of the "ills' that Anet seemingly wishes to correct. Many, if not most, exploits have their beginnings these very forums. It is not difficult to read about how "easy" it is to circumvent any part of the game, by the "regular" posters in these forums. In fact, there is a great deal of "bragging rights" obtained through announcing how one has found some way too gain an unfair avantage over other players through exploiting some aspect of the game. In many cases, these are the same players that complain about how the game is too easy! Anet should make every attempt to return the game to it's original formula. Attempting to stop exploiters and cater to the "hardcore" GW players has only made the game far less enjoyable for most players. There are still those that are exploiting portions of the game, and the "hardcore" GW players are still not placated. Nightfall is an exercise in frustration for the average player. Rather than rely on fansite forums, have the GM's monitor chat and even engage in some dialog with players. I'm sure they would find that many long time GW players are sorely disappointed with the state of the game. Please, make the game"doable" for the average player, minimize the grinding, and make GW fun again. |
Toutatis
I will most likely buy chapter 4. I thoroughly enjoyed chapters 1 and 2 despite a few shortcomings, and now that my copy of chapter 3 has arrived I'll be running through it and seeing what new adventures lie in wait.
I for one am glad that things have changed in GW since the beginning. I would hate it if exactly the same formula was used every time, otherwise it would just be the same game dressed up a little differently. As the game evolves, I've found that it's become much more interesting and rewarding to play.
I for one am glad that things have changed in GW since the beginning. I would hate it if exactly the same formula was used every time, otherwise it would just be the same game dressed up a little differently. As the game evolves, I've found that it's become much more interesting and rewarding to play.
WasAGuest
Will I buy Chapter 4? As is now, nope. AI issues and moving to slowly to add and address problems is the reason. Can't justify spending money on entertainment that I find un-entertaining... just makes no since to me.
If the majority of issues (one's I personally think should be addressed*) then yes I will pick up Chapter 4 on the limit it doesn't pull another SWG (or Nightfall) and change the entire game play mechanic on release day.
*Before someone tries to "defend" Anet on my personal issues; it's not as bad as it sounds. Anet provides a platform for entertainment, much like a satelite provider (both are purchased for entertainment). If the satelite provider changes the line up or formatting and I no longer enjoy it; I'll find another source of entertainment. If they, however, revert to what I was enjoying then I will stick with them. - In no way am I saying that Anet should simply change the game to fit my needs. I'm simply stating that because of changes to the game Anet and I no longer "mesh" as customer/provider or gamer/developer.
If the majority of issues (one's I personally think should be addressed*) then yes I will pick up Chapter 4 on the limit it doesn't pull another SWG (or Nightfall) and change the entire game play mechanic on release day.
*Before someone tries to "defend" Anet on my personal issues; it's not as bad as it sounds. Anet provides a platform for entertainment, much like a satelite provider (both are purchased for entertainment). If the satelite provider changes the line up or formatting and I no longer enjoy it; I'll find another source of entertainment. If they, however, revert to what I was enjoying then I will stick with them. - In no way am I saying that Anet should simply change the game to fit my needs. I'm simply stating that because of changes to the game Anet and I no longer "mesh" as customer/provider or gamer/developer.
beanerman_99
Dunno yet if I will buy the next chapter. I agree with many of the reasons posted here as to why I may not.
Just seems like Anet does listen about some things and totally ignores others. Storage is a huge issue. And what about an AUCTION HOUSE for goodness sake. Don't I remember players waiting it BEFORE Factiions and Anet said they were "working" on it? Instead of an auction House we got a Chat Filter instead. GG.
AI is another problem. I cannot believe the AI's behavior sometimes. This crap of monsters seeing me and attacking me before I am even remotely close is a complete joke. Isn't that what the aggro bubble on the radar is for? So I can avoid a fight if I choose? How about them NEVER breaking aggro and chasing me all over the map? How about if I turn to attack them the caster takes of running and NEVER stops? Don't believe me? Go try to explore the Shiverpeaks and see how those Birdmen act now. Capping Elites there makes baby jesus cry.
There are more issues but most seem to be that Anet does not tap the full potential of the game. Factions was a HUGE HUGE disappointment for me. There was no reason for me to farm faction and moving the line gained NOTHING for either side.
I like a lot about NF but it still has issues.
Just seems like Anet does listen about some things and totally ignores others. Storage is a huge issue. And what about an AUCTION HOUSE for goodness sake. Don't I remember players waiting it BEFORE Factiions and Anet said they were "working" on it? Instead of an auction House we got a Chat Filter instead. GG.
AI is another problem. I cannot believe the AI's behavior sometimes. This crap of monsters seeing me and attacking me before I am even remotely close is a complete joke. Isn't that what the aggro bubble on the radar is for? So I can avoid a fight if I choose? How about them NEVER breaking aggro and chasing me all over the map? How about if I turn to attack them the caster takes of running and NEVER stops? Don't believe me? Go try to explore the Shiverpeaks and see how those Birdmen act now. Capping Elites there makes baby jesus cry.
There are more issues but most seem to be that Anet does not tap the full potential of the game. Factions was a HUGE HUGE disappointment for me. There was no reason for me to farm faction and moving the line gained NOTHING for either side.
I like a lot about NF but it still has issues.
Total Rogue
I love GW, the only thing i really don't like about GW is the survivor title =p
Phaedra Firesoul
i'll definitely be there for chapter 4. i love guild wars.
allience
i'm not sure yet. i'm not happy whith the way thing are going in gw. pve got frustrating and i'm not happy that most of the times i cant find ppl to play with because they're all spread over 3 chapters. i can't even solo my favorite areas anymore because of all the nerfs and well frankly i'm quite fed up with heroes. it's just not the same fun as humans. i expect chapter 4 to separate players even more. pvp got stupid with all the heroes. it feels quite retarded to face so many hero teams and in HA there's not many ppl playing anymore. then others things like lag, error 7s, armor glitches that annoy me.
i suppose i might get chapter 4 if no other pvp/rpg game comes up but that would probably be the last i would purchase.
i suppose i might get chapter 4 if no other pvp/rpg game comes up but that would probably be the last i would purchase.
Loviatar
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And what about an AUCTION HOUSE for goodness sake. Don't I remember players waiting it BEFORE Factiions and Anet said they were "working" on it? Instead of an auction House we got a Chat Filter instead. GG.
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players (mostly high end and bot runners) have been wanting a quick way (auction house) to auto sell their goods while doing extra farming.
ANET/GAILE/ALEX/NCSoft have NEVER promised an auction house only......
*TRADE IMPROVEMENTS*
they have said it is a requested feature but never have they promised an auction house or even stated they are working on one.
only trade improvements
gabrial heart
OK, just to be informative... Not only are the amount of players increasing, the graphics engine is also more demanding. Thats progress and for an mmo to continue to offer a challenging, evovling enviroment, i think anet has done a pretty bang up job. A LOT of changes made to the game were in response to player requests and now the player base isn't happy? More lag and low frame rate, etc. is a pretty typical effect of this "progress".
To the OP... most ppl on here talk like this, " OMG, uber 1337 armor pwns", so i'm not sure how you expect that many folks to relate to your extensive use of vocabulary, it's not a wonder why you're not very excited about the game or it's current enviroment.
As far as buying the next chapter, I'm on the fence right now. GW is starting to get old for me and it's not really anet fault or the player base. I guess that the rewards earning system just isn't progressing the way the enviroment is. Not sure that i'm even interested in spending 3-4 hours in the elite area only to get a gem or 2 that really doesn't give me any advantage in game anymore. To much balance becomes a boring grind, to easy and you lose interest fast, to hard and it's just annoying and frustrating, so yes, it's getting even more challenging for them to provide something that will keep player interested.
Unfortuantly the level cap commitment doesn't make players want to continue, the title system is a good idea but again really doesn't offer much to a player. I think that anet might need to re-work some things or add some features that make players want the end game content, max armor and weapons, once acquired, just isn't enough.
To the OP... most ppl on here talk like this, " OMG, uber 1337 armor pwns", so i'm not sure how you expect that many folks to relate to your extensive use of vocabulary, it's not a wonder why you're not very excited about the game or it's current enviroment.
As far as buying the next chapter, I'm on the fence right now. GW is starting to get old for me and it's not really anet fault or the player base. I guess that the rewards earning system just isn't progressing the way the enviroment is. Not sure that i'm even interested in spending 3-4 hours in the elite area only to get a gem or 2 that really doesn't give me any advantage in game anymore. To much balance becomes a boring grind, to easy and you lose interest fast, to hard and it's just annoying and frustrating, so yes, it's getting even more challenging for them to provide something that will keep player interested.
Unfortuantly the level cap commitment doesn't make players want to continue, the title system is a good idea but again really doesn't offer much to a player. I think that anet might need to re-work some things or add some features that make players want the end game content, max armor and weapons, once acquired, just isn't enough.
Feminist Terrorist
Wow. Excellent rant TideSwayer. That's nearly worthy of a standing ovation. 
I'm totally on the fence about continued purchases. On the one hand, GW has been a great game, but on the other, it might be time to move on and do something else for a while. Anet has been really good about addressing problems and implementing fixes, but certain areas have really been neglected, and I'm still, after nearly 3 months, waiting for my ele to have her milk moustache fixed, and it's not just me: I know there are many other people with messed up characters that are still waiting on their fix.
I'll have to wait until just before the release of chapter 4 before I can decide anything.
I'm totally on the fence about continued purchases. On the one hand, GW has been a great game, but on the other, it might be time to move on and do something else for a while. Anet has been really good about addressing problems and implementing fixes, but certain areas have really been neglected, and I'm still, after nearly 3 months, waiting for my ele to have her milk moustache fixed, and it's not just me: I know there are many other people with messed up characters that are still waiting on their fix.
I'll have to wait until just before the release of chapter 4 before I can decide anything.
Nanood
I agree with some of the op's comments but i will still be buying it because i love the game. I guess its a bit like an abusive relationship.. They keep beatin us down and then throw us a carrot (Go Green Weekends) and we keep comin back for more..
Well, i am that abused partner... Now hit me Anet... Hit me again... I like it
Well, i am that abused partner... Now hit me Anet... Hit me again... I like it
lakeland
Only if they make another Prophesies-style game.
gabrial heart
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Only if they make another Prophesies-style game.
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When GW first came out it was new and exciting, now that most of the player base (long standing players) have a strong feel of the game and how the skills work together, what to expect, etc. The game has gotten old, stale, less then exciting for many. When you add a rather large amount of glitches, network problems, failed features, misinformation and general complaining, the game gets even less fun. I think if anet isn't planning on "re-inventing" the game in chapter 4, they may see a very steep decline in player base.
Loviatar
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I agree with some of the op's comments but i will still be buying it because i love the game. I guess its a bit like an abusive relationship.. They keep beatin us down and then throw us a carrot (Go Green Weekends) and we keep comin back for more..
Well, i am that abused partner... Now hit me Anet... Hit me again... I like it |
there was a sadistic man who had a masochist wife
he beat her every day and they had a happy life
Crom The Pale
Absolutely YES I will buy the next chapter.
The content of Nightfall was a HUGE improvement over Factions.
I love Hero's and the missions/quests are improving. They have a lot of room for more improvements and I expect to see them in future releases.
Like any game there are parts I don't like, but I've learned over time that nothing is ever perfect and if you can't learn to live with what your given theres a good chance you'll never find any happiness!
The content of Nightfall was a HUGE improvement over Factions.
I love Hero's and the missions/quests are improving. They have a lot of room for more improvements and I expect to see them in future releases.
Like any game there are parts I don't like, but I've learned over time that nothing is ever perfect and if you can't learn to live with what your given theres a good chance you'll never find any happiness!
Amity and Truth
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Unless something major happens to encourage teamplay again (in PvE, I don't care for PvP) then quite probably not. I can find plenty of other single player games and probably some better ones in future. Guild Wars co-op/multiplayer is looking more and more a thing of the past. I don't buy a multiplayer game just to play with bots.
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Besides other aspects which i don't like this one is the most important one and probably THE reason why Nightfall will be my last chapter even though it was a good one.
I log in, try to find a simple PUG for some random mission. No chance. Full henchie teams everywhere. Well more power to them but i don't think this is fun at all and thus for me personally, have to make a decision.
rick1027
ill say now ill be buying i do still love the game but you all do make some great points. as for the grind i do it because i want certain items. as for my love of the game isnt as strong as it once was that may change the response for the chapter after but im not sure yet. as for anet and there updates sometimes the updates do more damage then there was to start with but at least they are trying and sometimes they dont seems to listen correctly as for the auction house and added storage which has been on tons of want lists for a long time. ill buy til i cant stand the game anymore then ill probably try it few more times to see if it has changed we all like getting that beating and keep coming back
TiNkLeR
Only if it is a fantasy style again (like prophecies).
MANY IMPROVEMENTS!
Trade @ party @ in game stuff to do that its WORTH and its FUN.
If not.. i will stay in prophecies or factions or nightfall.. Or i will quit.
MANY IMPROVEMENTS!
Trade @ party @ in game stuff to do that its WORTH and its FUN.
If not.. i will stay in prophecies or factions or nightfall.. Or i will quit.
Ozric
There's no game out there that's not lacking in one dept. or another, and GuildWars is no different. You can rant all you want about it, if it please you, but it will never be 100% of what you want it to be. Same goes for me, but I'm still in for chapter 4.
I really don't care about the changes to enemy AI, and it doesn't upset me that it may be difficult for some to solo 20 touch necros. If you were to ask me, I'd say that the solution to the 'issue' of the inability of the heroes to undertake more complex builds would be to simply get rid of all the heroes anyway, as I find being in a district of 30-40 people in many of the areas and no one spamming for a pug a greater issue, but I'm obviously in the minority in that view I know. Being forced to hero/hench the game because of this has not been fun to me by any means, but at least there are those areas, thankfully, where people do pug, and I'm very happy that one of these areas is the esteemed DoA, which is an incredible challenge to me, and the best bare-knuckle brawl content given to us by far.
So, even though I still have to do things I don't like to do, the endgame content is still worth it, and all the areas that I really like to play are still played by pugs, which is the way I like it. I'd still like to see more storage, and I'd still like to see an auctionhouse. But hey, the game has no monthly fee, whaddaya want?
The juice is worth the squeeze, I'm in for chapter 4.
~~An eProd Zhed,... sorry but I had to chuckle at that one.
I really don't care about the changes to enemy AI, and it doesn't upset me that it may be difficult for some to solo 20 touch necros. If you were to ask me, I'd say that the solution to the 'issue' of the inability of the heroes to undertake more complex builds would be to simply get rid of all the heroes anyway, as I find being in a district of 30-40 people in many of the areas and no one spamming for a pug a greater issue, but I'm obviously in the minority in that view I know. Being forced to hero/hench the game because of this has not been fun to me by any means, but at least there are those areas, thankfully, where people do pug, and I'm very happy that one of these areas is the esteemed DoA, which is an incredible challenge to me, and the best bare-knuckle brawl content given to us by far.
So, even though I still have to do things I don't like to do, the endgame content is still worth it, and all the areas that I really like to play are still played by pugs, which is the way I like it. I'd still like to see more storage, and I'd still like to see an auctionhouse. But hey, the game has no monthly fee, whaddaya want?
The juice is worth the squeeze, I'm in for chapter 4.
~~An eProd Zhed,... sorry but I had to chuckle at that one.
countesscorpula
Things I like about GWs that came with the introduction of Nightfall.
Leveling pace... It was kond of slow in Prophecies (but with nothing to compare, that was cool, it was just the way of things). It was waaaaaaaay too fast in Factions (all quests rewards we in the thousands, and you can't leave the monestary without being level 2). Nightfall seems to have found a nice balance that give you an appreciation for abilies at the various levels, and time to get to know your skills in Istan.
The Scenery Art: Prophecies was pretty. No doubt. There are places in Echovold where I want to be burried after i die. The waterfalls dropping into fjord like valleys. It is beautiful. NF--> I can't get over how real that rock looks on the sign in screen. The water falling is obviously digital, but darn good, the myst is digital, but that rock with a glistening layer of water. Whoever put that piece of code together deserves a pat on the back. My mom wants to play this game because she likes the graphics so much (though the movement controls still baffle her).
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The Story: It's a pretty good story. Prophecies had me bouncing allegiences about. I wasn't so much a noble warrior but an opportunist. (Am i white mantle, am i shining blade, are the mursaat trying to prevent the release of the titans... does that mean they are on my side? OMG what have i done?)
Factions spent much of the story revealing the past without explaining it. Who is this fortune teller? Why does she look exactly like the necro teacher at the monestary? Shiro seemed like a noble and pleasent guy until she told him the emporor was going to kill him (a la MacBeth)... so why is he all evil? Kind of like sympathy for the devil i guess. Anyhoo, lots of cut scenes that didn't involve me, so not so much with the caring.
NF-> This story includes me a lot. I have to make decissions about where things are going to go (i hate making those decissions and "missing out" on the other stuff, but it's still cool). My character is more engaged in the cutscenes, and so forth. That's all good (i LOVE taking screen shots of my character in the cut scenes).
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Heroes: Talk about a massive improvement on the hench idea. And with all their skills being account based, they are far more versatile than my own character (a bit jealous). I play solo(no other players) _A LOT_, for my reasons that i don't need to go into. And having Heroes that i can design to suit my desires is great. I also like being able to auto run across large distances by setting a flag on the U map and following my heroes there. Gives me a bit of a break, and makes some of the back and forth quests less of a grind.
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I totally forgot! I loved the "party" mission. The one where i had to puzzle out what each prince needed. That was a great change of pace. I mission that _must_ be completed solo (not even hench). THe mime battle... a great change of pace. New types of missions are very cool. If they were all "kill the thing" it would get pretty boring pretty fast. Whoever came up with this idea for a mission deserves a gold star!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Warrior heroes being compelled to wine and dine the aristocracy... ROFL!!!
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Things I don't like about Nightfall:
AI
The first doesnt' appear solely in nightfall, but accross the whole of GWs. It is the much loved/hated AI alterations. Mobs are smarter... They run away when injured/overwhelmed, and rarely if ever get within adjacent distance of eachother. Hench/Heroes don't seem to have received the latter portion of that upgrade. This has led to endless frustration on my part, due to my adjacent spells being grossly ineffective against mobs, and theirs being excessively effective against me. This could easily be fixed by a slide control to modify how close the hench will travel with you, but as only 8 or 9 people have bothered to look at that suggestin in Sardelac, my guess it will never be implemented. So all of my lovely AoE spike spells are now expensive single target spells, and my AoE extended duration spells are also not much in the way of effective(if something will only stay in the area for 2 seconds, having a spell last for 10 isn't so brilliant). There are other complaints about the AI, but just search AI and you can see those.
Razah = Ritualist.
The manual said Variable. I don't mind that he came late, doesn't bother me a wit. That he is something entirely different than what was advertised, and more so, that he is essentially stunted if one doesn't own the previous chapter (not so great for something advertised as being a completely functional stand alone game), causes me to lose faith in the trustworthiness of those who design/promote/maintain this game i have come to love so much. A-Net is the GM/DM. If you can't trust your game master, you wont play in their game, or you will question EVERYTHING that they do. I only started posting on the forum in November, but I've been playing for well over a year. I've come to realise that much of the reason i had been frequenting this forum of late is due to my dissatisfaction with the current state of things.
Changes made in the name of increasing Challange:
The Challange of the game has always been just perfect. There are always points in each chapter where you see a mob of people having difficutly getting past Mission X or Quest Y. They eventually get it (through repeated effort or assistance from others), and move on.
Anyone who finds the game to be too easy, and requests that the dev team beef it up, is being highly inconsiderate of the average/casual player (who invested the same amount of money in the game). In fact, i would go as far as to say they are being down right selfish. If someone needs more of a challange, go with smaller parties and fewer skills. Heck, see if you can finish the entire game with only a party of four and no elite skills. That ought to be plenty of challange for you... not to mention the bragging rights. But if everything was raised up to the level of the best of the best, 98% of the populace would no longer be able to play, abandon the series, and with no more investment in the series, no more game = game is dead = no challange for anyone. You can make the game harder for yourself without making it impossible for everyone else. A little consideration for others please.
The Big Conclussion:
Will I buy chapter four? I haven't decided. I really like the series, and it seems that many aspects of it improved with this latest edition. Most faults experienced in Factions were addressed in Nightfall - third time is a charm they say. But on the otherhand, though it was a bit tedious to grind for 10k faction with one character after the next (until i caught on to running them all to that point with the 10k), but it comes nowhere near the maddening frustration of having my party wiped out because they don't have the common sense to fan out that the mobs seem to have. ANd trust. I have to be able to trust what a-net says about the upcomming chapter when/if it arrives. Problem is, it's a lot harder to earn back lost trust, than to maintain trust given in the first place. When I feel that i can trust A-Net not to say one thing about a feature, and then unapologetically contradict that statement in their actions, that's when I will consider investing in a fourth chapter. I'm not going to say i won't buy it, cause things can change. But I wont promise myself as a customer untiil i see somethings repaired (or at least acknowledgement that repairs are needed).
PS I've yet to play Jade Quarry mission. Not cause it's too hard, but because there is no one there. Is it a good mission? Was it fun? If A-net could come up with a way for me to try it out (focus on jade weekend?) it might improve my outlook on the company as a whole. As it stands, it's just an empty outpost... I'm sure that wasn't intended.
Leveling pace... It was kond of slow in Prophecies (but with nothing to compare, that was cool, it was just the way of things). It was waaaaaaaay too fast in Factions (all quests rewards we in the thousands, and you can't leave the monestary without being level 2). Nightfall seems to have found a nice balance that give you an appreciation for abilies at the various levels, and time to get to know your skills in Istan.
The Scenery Art: Prophecies was pretty. No doubt. There are places in Echovold where I want to be burried after i die. The waterfalls dropping into fjord like valleys. It is beautiful. NF--> I can't get over how real that rock looks on the sign in screen. The water falling is obviously digital, but darn good, the myst is digital, but that rock with a glistening layer of water. Whoever put that piece of code together deserves a pat on the back. My mom wants to play this game because she likes the graphics so much (though the movement controls still baffle her).
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The Story: It's a pretty good story. Prophecies had me bouncing allegiences about. I wasn't so much a noble warrior but an opportunist. (Am i white mantle, am i shining blade, are the mursaat trying to prevent the release of the titans... does that mean they are on my side? OMG what have i done?)
Factions spent much of the story revealing the past without explaining it. Who is this fortune teller? Why does she look exactly like the necro teacher at the monestary? Shiro seemed like a noble and pleasent guy until she told him the emporor was going to kill him (a la MacBeth)... so why is he all evil? Kind of like sympathy for the devil i guess. Anyhoo, lots of cut scenes that didn't involve me, so not so much with the caring.
NF-> This story includes me a lot. I have to make decissions about where things are going to go (i hate making those decissions and "missing out" on the other stuff, but it's still cool). My character is more engaged in the cutscenes, and so forth. That's all good (i LOVE taking screen shots of my character in the cut scenes).
__________________END SPOILER___________________
Heroes: Talk about a massive improvement on the hench idea. And with all their skills being account based, they are far more versatile than my own character (a bit jealous). I play solo(no other players) _A LOT_, for my reasons that i don't need to go into. And having Heroes that i can design to suit my desires is great. I also like being able to auto run across large distances by setting a flag on the U map and following my heroes there. Gives me a bit of a break, and makes some of the back and forth quests less of a grind.
EDIT:
I totally forgot! I loved the "party" mission. The one where i had to puzzle out what each prince needed. That was a great change of pace. I mission that _must_ be completed solo (not even hench). THe mime battle... a great change of pace. New types of missions are very cool. If they were all "kill the thing" it would get pretty boring pretty fast. Whoever came up with this idea for a mission deserves a gold star!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Warrior heroes being compelled to wine and dine the aristocracy... ROFL!!!
End EDIT
Things I don't like about Nightfall:
AI
The first doesnt' appear solely in nightfall, but accross the whole of GWs. It is the much loved/hated AI alterations. Mobs are smarter... They run away when injured/overwhelmed, and rarely if ever get within adjacent distance of eachother. Hench/Heroes don't seem to have received the latter portion of that upgrade. This has led to endless frustration on my part, due to my adjacent spells being grossly ineffective against mobs, and theirs being excessively effective against me. This could easily be fixed by a slide control to modify how close the hench will travel with you, but as only 8 or 9 people have bothered to look at that suggestin in Sardelac, my guess it will never be implemented. So all of my lovely AoE spike spells are now expensive single target spells, and my AoE extended duration spells are also not much in the way of effective(if something will only stay in the area for 2 seconds, having a spell last for 10 isn't so brilliant). There are other complaints about the AI, but just search AI and you can see those.
Razah = Ritualist.
The manual said Variable. I don't mind that he came late, doesn't bother me a wit. That he is something entirely different than what was advertised, and more so, that he is essentially stunted if one doesn't own the previous chapter (not so great for something advertised as being a completely functional stand alone game), causes me to lose faith in the trustworthiness of those who design/promote/maintain this game i have come to love so much. A-Net is the GM/DM. If you can't trust your game master, you wont play in their game, or you will question EVERYTHING that they do. I only started posting on the forum in November, but I've been playing for well over a year. I've come to realise that much of the reason i had been frequenting this forum of late is due to my dissatisfaction with the current state of things.
Changes made in the name of increasing Challange:
The Challange of the game has always been just perfect. There are always points in each chapter where you see a mob of people having difficutly getting past Mission X or Quest Y. They eventually get it (through repeated effort or assistance from others), and move on.
Anyone who finds the game to be too easy, and requests that the dev team beef it up, is being highly inconsiderate of the average/casual player (who invested the same amount of money in the game). In fact, i would go as far as to say they are being down right selfish. If someone needs more of a challange, go with smaller parties and fewer skills. Heck, see if you can finish the entire game with only a party of four and no elite skills. That ought to be plenty of challange for you... not to mention the bragging rights. But if everything was raised up to the level of the best of the best, 98% of the populace would no longer be able to play, abandon the series, and with no more investment in the series, no more game = game is dead = no challange for anyone. You can make the game harder for yourself without making it impossible for everyone else. A little consideration for others please.
The Big Conclussion:
Will I buy chapter four? I haven't decided. I really like the series, and it seems that many aspects of it improved with this latest edition. Most faults experienced in Factions were addressed in Nightfall - third time is a charm they say. But on the otherhand, though it was a bit tedious to grind for 10k faction with one character after the next (until i caught on to running them all to that point with the 10k), but it comes nowhere near the maddening frustration of having my party wiped out because they don't have the common sense to fan out that the mobs seem to have. ANd trust. I have to be able to trust what a-net says about the upcomming chapter when/if it arrives. Problem is, it's a lot harder to earn back lost trust, than to maintain trust given in the first place. When I feel that i can trust A-Net not to say one thing about a feature, and then unapologetically contradict that statement in their actions, that's when I will consider investing in a fourth chapter. I'm not going to say i won't buy it, cause things can change. But I wont promise myself as a customer untiil i see somethings repaired (or at least acknowledgement that repairs are needed).
PS I've yet to play Jade Quarry mission. Not cause it's too hard, but because there is no one there. Is it a good mission? Was it fun? If A-net could come up with a way for me to try it out (focus on jade weekend?) it might improve my outlook on the company as a whole. As it stands, it's just an empty outpost... I'm sure that wasn't intended.
gabrial heart
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QFT.
Besides other aspects which i don't like this one is the most important one and probably THE reason why Nightfall will be my last chapter even though it was a good one. I log in, try to find a simple PUG for some random mission. No chance. Full henchie teams everywhere. Well more power to them but i don't think this is fun at all and thus for me personally, have to make a decision. |
brokenmonkey
Hmm, Yes, I WILL BE buying the next 2321232323123 chapters =D.
VGJustice
I may buy it. Depends on how much money I've got when that time comes around, and if I'm still playing.
The real question is if I'm going to get the bonus pack again.
The real question is if I'm going to get the bonus pack again.
rick1027
ill say now ill be buying i do still love the game but you all do make some great points. as for the grind i do it because i want certain items. as for my love of the game isnt as strong as it once was that may change the response for the chapter after but im not sure yet. as for anet and there updates sometimes the updates do more damage then there was to start with but at least they are trying and sometimes they dont seems to listen correctly as for the auction house and added storage which has been on tons of want lists for a long time. ill buy til i cant stand the game anymore then ill probably try it few more times to see if it has changed we all like getting that beating and keep coming back
birdfoot
It's unlikely for me to buy future chapters of GW, but that depends on whether ANet can expand on the gameplay variety or if the new emerging titles can capture my attention.
It's really wierd that when someone makes a remark even bringing out the slightest negativity about GW, the other fanboys start countering by calling it a complaint/rant. I suppose OP sincerely wanted a show of hands on who will buy the next chapter, and some valid points on why one would continue supporting GW's future releases (or why one wouldn't); nothing more than that. I see some really good posts here, but maybe just like all games have flaws, all forums have some irrelevant posters.
It's really wierd that when someone makes a remark even bringing out the slightest negativity about GW, the other fanboys start countering by calling it a complaint/rant. I suppose OP sincerely wanted a show of hands on who will buy the next chapter, and some valid points on why one would continue supporting GW's future releases (or why one wouldn't); nothing more than that. I see some really good posts here, but maybe just like all games have flaws, all forums have some irrelevant posters.
lyra_song
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Originally Posted by birdfoot
It's unlikely for me to buy future chapters of GW, but that depends on whether ANet can expand on the gameplay variety or if the new emerging titles can capture my attention.
It's really wierd that when someone makes a remark even bringing out the slightest negativity about GW, the other fanboys start countering by calling it a complaint/rant. I suppose OP sincerely wanted a show of hands on who will buy the next chapter, and some valid points on why one would continue supporting GW's future releases; nothing more than that. |
However i severely dislike people who act like they've been victimized, when in reality its merely a difference between their own unrealistic expectations and the reality that Anet produces.
quickmonty
Much too soon to say. I will do as I did with Nightfall .... wait and see and make the decision when the time comes. Or, don't cross bridges until you come to them.