This has been bothering me lately, and I wanted to see how the community feels about it.
After the introduction of DoA, most groups I see require players to have a Voice Com (Teamspeak or Ventrillo) and a Mic. VoiceCom and Guild Wars have existed side-by-side since the begining, but until now, it was mostly restricted to high-level PvP (GvG / HA) or a group of friends or guildies hanging out in Vent in PvE.
While I realize Guild Wars provide limited avenues for role-playing, a lot of the enjoyment I derive from this game (and others) directly relates to my level of immersion in it. I am my character for the duration of my gameplay. I dont PvP heavily in Guild Wars (I'm satisfied with CS or UT for my pvping needs), but I've been an active PvEr since release - and that includes all the aspects of PvE - quests/missions, exploring, socializing, farming, power trading etc.
I find that my immersion in the game is significantly affected if I use a Voice Com, and I dont like it that I am forced to use it to experience certain content in the game, though I'm perfectly confident of maintaining similar levels of performance without the use of it. And this, I'm speaking from experience. There was this usual fuss about TS/Vent in raids in WoW as well. But my guild in WoW has been successful in completing all of the 40man raids that game has to offer(which less than 0.1% of the game population have) without bothering with Voice Coms. I find that people dont get unnecessarily diverted this way. They dont start discussing off-topic stuff, they pay more attention to whats happening in-game.
In Guild Wars, I occassionally accept invites into groups which use a Voice Com, where only the leader speaks, and others are not required to. But I find myself staying away from groups which require me to have a mic and talk along with using TS/Vent.
Is it just me being uncomfortable with it, or are there others that are having their level of immersion, and thus the enjoyment from the game being dimmed by the use of TS/Vent?
The intrusion of TS/Vent into mainstream PvE
Anarkii
Mentalist Ellie
Then don't join those groups. Problem solved.
Micromaster
Don't worry, vent/ts won't bite you. 
I wouldn't want you on vent either - if you have one of those squeaky voices. (Age 10 type)
I wouldn't want you on vent either - if you have one of those squeaky voices. (Age 10 type)
Zui
I think it's just you.
badfish34668
i dont know about you, but i can talk way faster than i can type. doa missions are full of areas where the team needs to discuss what to do next, and voice comms are a helluva lot easier than typing it out.
Cacheelma
I've seen TS/Vent group in FoW/UW since that BWE in which we first got to try the places. People have been using them in Sorrow's Furnace, Urgoz and The Deep too (or even THK).
Seriously there's nothing new. People just want to use them when communication is important.
Seriously there's nothing new. People just want to use them when communication is important.
Thallandor
It has seemingly been an issue in Factions Elite mission as well and i have never joined any TS/Vent teams yet i gotten the greens i wanted from there with non ts/vent group.
Eveyone in the team knowingly exactly what their role in the party is, is more important than having someone bark down your ear what you should do, which is to me very annoying. But then to find a PuG team that does the former could perhaps be even much rarer these days.
Eveyone in the team knowingly exactly what their role in the party is, is more important than having someone bark down your ear what you should do, which is to me very annoying. But then to find a PuG team that does the former could perhaps be even much rarer these days.
Navaros
I don't like TS/Vent being needed for PVE, but I understand it.
Yet another reason to nerf the heck out of DoA with extreme prejudice. Then the DoA TS/Vent groups would disappear.
Yet another reason to nerf the heck out of DoA with extreme prejudice. Then the DoA TS/Vent groups would disappear.
Yanman.be
I can only cheer to people using TS or vent. It helps the teamwork, and will prevent ragequitting etc.
I don't see a problem at all.
I don't see a problem at all.
Bankai
Yup, totally understand it. Haven't tried playing DoA for about a week so far, and won't have a lot of time either, so I haven't experienced it yet.
Venus was her name
i havn't bothered with DoA yet. but i've been into UW, FoW, The Deep with some pretty good PvE guilds and we've never needed voice comms
Former Ruling
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I can only cheer to people using TS or vent. It helps the teamwork, and will prevent ragequitting etc.
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Anyway, there are no-voice com groups in these areas too so if you want to preserve your RPing (role playing) then you can :\
sindex
What about X-Fire I’ve seen this way to many times unused so much, for it has voice chat and all? I know some of us have it constantly run in the background and most games have it on as a plus. I understand where you’re coming from but I can’t use any of those third party-programs I’m too afraid to come near them. I would actually love to see GW have some type of voice alterative so it easy to get a hold of people and it’s already easy to access.
Ulivious The Reaper
Ts/vent has its positives and negs, with my experience at the Deep and Urgoz ts has DEFINATELY helped us, we always had a successful run with my group as long as everyone was on ts.
however i think its not really neccessary for 8 people to be using up a ts server because 8 people isn't that hard to manage, we do it for FoW, we do it for UW, we can do it with DoA... plus i want to listen to my music
however i think its not really neccessary for 8 people to be using up a ts server because 8 people isn't that hard to manage, we do it for FoW, we do it for UW, we can do it with DoA... plus i want to listen to my music
Trevor Reznik
I find my immersion broken when people send me tells. So far, I haven't figured out a way to roleplay someone from another continent sending me a whisper. At least I can turn off guild/alliance chat and only use team/local/trade, but tells?
In short, OP, what advice can you give me to roleplaying my way back into immersion that the tell system is breaking?
In short, OP, what advice can you give me to roleplaying my way back into immersion that the tell system is breaking?
SoumaAyame
Voice communication needs to disappear from the face of this planet.
ALL HAIL THE MUTES.
- Leader of the mutes, Souma.
ALL HAIL THE MUTES.
- Leader of the mutes, Souma.
Emik
Afaik you're referring to whispers and not tells...
Tells are WoW business and not interesting in this forum :P
Okies on topic now.
It's a bit of a double edged blade here;
Sometimes the use of TS can give a positive influence in a party's progression but this is not a certainty.
It's true that it cannot become a necessity in order to being able to join a party.
wow... i mean WOW...
Tells are WoW business and not interesting in this forum :P
Okies on topic now.
It's a bit of a double edged blade here;
Sometimes the use of TS can give a positive influence in a party's progression but this is not a certainty.
It's true that it cannot become a necessity in order to being able to join a party.
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Voice communication needs to disappear from the face of this planet.
ALL HAIL THE MUTES. - Leader of the mutes, Souma. |
Hand of Ruin
Well aside from the fact that lots of people have annoying ass voices (to me), I don't really mind it that much...
I mean, when a guy is 20+ and he sounds like he could be 14... I just want to slap him. I HATE the nerd voice lol.
I mean, when a guy is 20+ and he sounds like he could be 14... I just want to slap him. I HATE the nerd voice lol.
Thom Bangalter
good players have vent.
bad players do not.
When forming a party, if someone says "I don't have vent" then you know they are bad. And then you can kick them.
bad players do not.
When forming a party, if someone says "I don't have vent" then you know they are bad. And then you can kick them.
Axe Addict
Our guild has used voice comms since the first time we played GW , it just makes it easy to setup attack and defence when everyones knows whats going on.
Cow Tale
HOW ARE ALL THE DUDES PRETENDING TO BE CHICKS SUPPSOED TO PLAY IF THEY USE VOICE CHAT? that would totaly show them for the cross dressing transexuals that we all know they are
Orinn
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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter
good players have vent.
bad players do not. When forming a party, if someone says "I don't have vent" then you know they are bad. And then you can kick them. |
JediKnight
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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter
good players have vent.
bad players do not. When forming a party, if someone says "I don't have vent" then you know they are bad. And then you can kick them. |
Just because you can talk does not make you a good or bad player & I'll bet most of the top end players who don't have vent will be pretty pissed off at that comment.
Stick same (good) vent player in a non-vent team, does that mean he is now a bad player?
vaxmor
Dont like TS/Vent groups?
solution1: dont join them
OR
solution2: whine and cry on forums
OR
solution3: exaggerate "forced to use it to experience certain content"
solution1: dont join them
OR
solution2: whine and cry on forums
OR
solution3: exaggerate "forced to use it to experience certain content"
Nexus Icon
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Originally Posted by JediKnight
Wow, that is a serious generalisation.
Just because you can talk does not make you a good or bad player & I'll bet most of the top end players who don't have vent will be pretty pissed off at that comment. Stick same (good) vent player in a non-vent team, does that mean he is now a bad player? |
Gli
I'll never even consider using voice communication. I use my ears and my voice to communicate with the people I share my home with, not to talk to some twerps over the internet. My guild feels much the same, so there's no problem there.
And really, outside of my guild, I have no wish to learn anything about the people in the game anyway, certainly not what they sound like. Most people are annoying enough without submitting myself to their voices. I like to maintain all the distance I can.
Having said all that, I haven't played any PvE ever that needed voice comm. Set aside a few minutes to have a prep chat at some points, and you're good to go.
And really, outside of my guild, I have no wish to learn anything about the people in the game anyway, certainly not what they sound like. Most people are annoying enough without submitting myself to their voices. I like to maintain all the distance I can.
Having said all that, I haven't played any PvE ever that needed voice comm. Set aside a few minutes to have a prep chat at some points, and you're good to go.
Anarkii
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Originally Posted by vaxmor
Dont like TS/Vent groups?
solution1: dont join them OR solution2: whine and cry on forums OR solution3: exaggerate "forced to use it to experience certain content" |
You think I'd bother starting a thread if the solution was as simple as not joining those groups? It's the fact that every group (in DoA, in my case) required people to use it which made me post.
generik
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Originally Posted by Anarkii
I just expressed my discomfort and asked the opinion of the community in my original post. What's wrong with that?
You think I'd bother starting a thread if the solution was as simple as not joining those groups? It's the fact that every group (in DoA, in my case) required people to use it which made me post. |
You are not willing to accomodate to others' needs, you expect others to be accomodating towards you? What hypocracy.
Avarre
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Voice com is never needed for PvE. It does, however, make teams easier to co-ordinate. With the exponentially increased difficulty of Nightfall, players that are... shall we say, 'less capable', can be made significantly better through being organized more efficiently through voice communication.
It is not a requirement for teams that actually have a clue. It can make the whole experience more fun though, if you are playing with friends.
Shadowfox1125
People in my alliance are on Vent whenever they play. I guess it's fun to be talking to some people while you're playing with heroes/henchies. I used it when I used to do the Deep and Urgoz, but I haven't touched DoA yet, mainly because I want to get my warrior through the game first (Paragon has completed NF already).
I tend to stray away from Vent, although I do have a mic/headset. For instance, today... alliance group for Pogahn Passage - there were 4 of us. All 3 except me were on Vent. I was asked to join them, but there's a problem with my Vent account. *wink*wink*nudge*nudge* Haven't been able to log-in for weeks, but I could care less about getting it fixed. I'm lazy.
I tend to stray away from Vent, although I do have a mic/headset. For instance, today... alliance group for Pogahn Passage - there were 4 of us. All 3 except me were on Vent. I was asked to join them, but there's a problem with my Vent account. *wink*wink*nudge*nudge* Haven't been able to log-in for weeks, but I could care less about getting it fixed. I'm lazy.
Kook~NBK~
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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter
good players have vent.
bad players do not. When forming a party, if someone says "I don't have vent" then you know they are bad. And then you can kick them. |
(LESSON: If you're going to make silly statements, you really should go all-out)On Topic: Voice Comms are a good way to get the teamwork going well. They're especially useful in co-ordinating each party members roles and setting up strategy. My guildies have used them for years playing FPS games and have enjoyed a ton of success when playing other squads in matches. When we're partied up in GW, we always have a good time; things get kinda silly during cut-scenes. Even if you don't have a mic, being able to listen in on what's going on helps the party's chances of success.
They can also help weed out the less-than-desireable people from a party before leaving town. I'm refering to foul-mouthed twits and "uber-leet" know-it-alls who have to dictate what the party's make-up and skills must be, etc.
From the social aspect, it's easier to tell when someone is joking when you hear them talking instead of typing. It's also a good way to make friends and have more fun than just running around killing stuff.
It drives me nuts when people are type chatting in the middle of a battle! One less thing to put up with when everyones on voice comms.
fatmouse
Everyone knows vent > ts.
Gli
That's not true. I didn't. But I'll take your word for it.
Redfeather1975
Voice comm is usually for the hardcore gamer.
A lot of people don't use them, but in DOA you'll see a lot more people using them because it's difficulty attracts the hardcore crowd.
It's not all bad to try using TS or vent, just pray you don't get the that guy.
You all know that guy.
A lot of people don't use them, but in DOA you'll see a lot more people using them because it's difficulty attracts the hardcore crowd.
It's not all bad to try using TS or vent, just pray you don't get the that guy.
You all know that guy.
Anarkii
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manitoba1073
lets see here vent just sucks never cared for it and well for TS its a hackable entrance to ur computer. hmm gee wonder if ill use or not. NOPE not doing either.
Navaros
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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter
good players have vent.
bad players do not. When forming a party, if someone says "I don't have vent" then you know they are bad. And then you can kick them. |
Going on Vent can be a real headache a lot of the times. Ie: A lot of people on Vent are too stupid to turn off the maddening "beep" sounds on "push to talk" and having to tell them to do it multiple times every few minutes grows very tiresome, very fast.
Having Vent is not equal to wanting to go on it for PVE.
Anarkii
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Originally Posted by generik
Just download the client, enter the server, name yourself Anarkii(No mic) and mute the damned thing.
You are not willing to accomodate to others' needs, you expect others to be accomodating towards you? What hypocracy. |
Throttle
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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter
good players have vent.
bad players do not. When forming a party, if someone says "I don't have vent" then you know they are bad. And then you can kick them. |
fRag_Doll
I agree that it sucks for anyone that doesn't use a voip, when all the hardcore groups do, but that's where gems like Leeroy Jenkins are born.
Personnaly, I prefer to use a voip 'cause I can't type worth a damn. :P
Personnaly, I prefer to use a voip 'cause I can't type worth a damn. :P