inscribable crystallines! a temporary thing, or a permanent addition?

Skyy High

Skyy High

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2006

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22 Jan 2007 at 06:23 - 81
Quote:
Originally Posted by lyra_song
Um...i dont know about that....I would think people would buy a Van Gogh not because its rare, but because its by Van Gogh. Van Gogh was awesome :P

It wouldnt matter how many Van Goghs there were, its a Van Gogh and thats enough to give it a high value.
Bull, the price is high because people say an original Van Gogh should be expensive, and copies shouldn't. Even if you made a copy of a Van Gogh that was 100% the same, it'd still be worth much less than an original. Same thing with inscribable crystallines vs non inscribable; 15^50 non inscribable ones are seen as "the best", every 15^50 inscribable one will be seen as much less valuable.

This does two things:
1) People who have ~200-500k to spend can now get a crystalline, but it won't really be seen as anything special. Shoot for the moon, only to discover that everyone else is already there. Note that this does nothing for the casual player, who should not be involved in this conversation at all. If you don't have at least 200k in the bank right now, you shouldn't be involved in this conversation at all, unless you just like to laugh at the well off players' games being altered.


2) ALL non inscribable crystallines with even a semi decent damage mod in existence have now become limited edition. 15^50, 15/-5, 15/-10, 15 stance/enchant uninscribable crystallines have now become as damn close to priceless as you could ever get in this game; think about the HoD sword after the crafter was removed. Limited supply + can't get any more = immensely expensive, and it there were plenty of those in circulation. I'm willing to bet there are far fewer perfect crystallines, and their prices were already crazy high. Therefore, I think it's justified to say that they will become extraordinarily expensive.

Because of point 2, it's good to highlight, people who already have crystallines should be happy, or at least okay with this change. ANet just made you rich =P. Everyone who was aspiring to buy a crystalline at some point for the sheer prestige...well, now you either have a higher goal (old uninscribable) or a lower goal (new inscribable) with a decidedly big gap in between.

korcan

korcan

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Join Date: Jun 2006

22 Jan 2007 at 06:29 - 82


it seems that anet has decided to make celestial weapons inscribable as well. hope to see an inscribable guardian of the hunt soon

Skyy High

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22 Jan 2007 at 06:31 - 83
Wait, you didn't get that in Nahpui did you? I didn't know celestials dropped in HoH.

Yawgmoth

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

22 Jan 2007 at 06:43 - 84
This is another move in the bad direction of removing rarity from the game. It happens since the beginning and its only worse and worse. So the next step is probably a perfect green Crystalline available from a boss right outside an outpost...
For me inscriptions for gold (rare) items were always a nonsense because they completely removed the 'rareness' of them - how can anything feel rare when it can be made out of relatively cheap and common components?
Like someone above mentioned: There would be absolutely no point of collecting stamps if anyone could just go and easily buy the rarest of them. Or print them yourself at home, lol.

Lichtenberg

Lichtenberg

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Mass Delusion [LARP]

22 Jan 2007 at 06:58 - 85
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyy High
Wait, you didn't get that in Nahpui did you? I didn't know celestials dropped in HoH.
i think this was the "updated" HoH chest drop

all weapons drop inscribable
drops include items from all 3 chapters

Orinn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Defiant Dragons

22 Jan 2007 at 07:35 - 86
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oofus
My oppinion as a collector:
  • Rare skin = moderately expensive
  • Rare skin with good INHERENT damage mod = very expensive and highly wanted
  • Rare skin with good INHERENT damage mod and low req = extremely expensive and even more wanted
  • Rare skin with inscription slot = lame and not bought buy collectors, and unlike non-inscribable rare skins will drop in value to next to nothing very quickly when their novelty wears off becasue ALL of them are perfect.

ANet please stop taking away from the collectors, "casual gamers" allready have everything they could possibly need.

/waits for ANet to "fix" wands next

By the way when do I get my free rank 12 for sitting on my but doing nothing?



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Sounds about right. Since inscribable Crystallines drop now, the old, non-inscribable ones with a good inherent mod will be the new status symbol.

Seems to me that the actual look or functionality of the item really has nothign to do with the price, it's perceived rarity. Since inscribable ones are being dropped, and can be moded to suit, the non-inscribable ones will be the ones the players with millions of gold and nothing to spend it on will trade in.

Honestly, to me, it seems as though the "high-end" traders live in their own world, where perception of value is so out of whack with real value, that it has just ballooned uncontrollably. Whatever. If people like to think that one sword is really worth 15 million gold, and they find someone who agrees with them, then more power to them, but for most players, the "high-end" game is just that: another game, and one that has some silly rules at that.

I don't see inscribable Crystallines doing anything but driving up the price of the non-inscribable ones with perfect mods. Even if every crystalline that drops in HoH is inscribable, how many are going to be Req 8? Req 9? Those will sell for more (If the HoH swords don't follow the current Nightfall model of NOT dropping max damage Req 8 weapons, that is.)

Making Crystallines more accessible, though? I don't think there was a real need for it, myself. Let the high end traders shift mountains of money back and forth for something special. I really hope that the drop rate for Crystallines with low req doesn't go up any, just to keep people from complaining about how the economy sucks because nothing is worth tens of millions of gold anymore.

jackie

jackie

/retired

Join Date: Dec 2005

On the Beach

22 Jan 2007 at 08:13 - 87
I've wondered why AN doesn't change Prophecies & Faction items to inscribable. There's no motive not to since HoH chest has been changed as well and majority would propably be happy about it.

I'm a collector of rares as well and I don't like it how AN caters this game so much for casual gamers when it comes to obtaining gold weapons. But, since we're going with the majority, guess I'll just have to deal with it.

Situation before inscriptions (before NF, not just HoH chest):

Majority quite happy, some complaining why item price can be over 100k (few threads back in Factions time iirc), but there was already greens and if ppl needed money, it was easy to farm.
Minority quite happy, prices were going down with mods & fow/uw skins but that was just because there was more and more of them around.

After inscription system was introduced:
Majority, very happy & now they can get their fav. skins with whatever mods they like.
Minority, a_a

Bottom line is that majority would have propably managed without this update as well. Or do majority really care if for example crystalline is inscribable?

Drop of Fear

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22 Jan 2007 at 08:38 - 88
ye i say turn every new drop both in pve and pvp to be inscriptable, the damage is done so push it.
rare skinned oldschool items will just improve their value for 2 reasons

- collector will still consider them more valuable then "cheap inscriptable crap"
- if drops work like in nightfall, we wont see req8 inscriptable cryst, dwarven, serpents, meaning that the dew req8 15^50 that dropped these 2 years will become a legend, as it's sure that no more like those will drop ever.

reetkever

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/E

22 Jan 2007 at 09:18 - 89
Wooo another good thing in GW nerfed to death gg .... yeah...

why the hell nerf crystalline swords? 'Casual players' shouldn't whine about wanting a non-casual gamer's weapon. Let's see what casual players have:

-Collector weapons
-15^50 weapons from the weaponsmiths in Droknar
-green weapons
-collector armor
-1K/1,5K armor
-Inscribable gold weapons

Wow... that's about everything a player needs to play the game and more.

What do non-casual players have:

-FoW armor

Oh wait, that's everything, since any 'rare' weapon can drop inscribable from HoH chest now. So, what's next? Collector in ascalon giving away FoW parts for 3 Gargoyle Skulls? Or removing all non-perfect mods cause everyone and his mother can get perfect stats on rare weapons now? (Seriously, I don't know anybody who still walks around with a 13^50 weapon, except heroes of course)

GG Anet, you're going to lose players with this for sure.

Alya

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

European servers

RTFM

22 Jan 2007 at 09:19 - 90
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drop of Fear
- if drops work like in nightfall, we wont see req8 inscriptable cryst, dwarven, serpents, meaning that the dew req8 15^50 that dropped these 2 years will become a legend, as it's sure that no more like those will drop ever.
... unless Anet decides to change all the low req (7-8) items to min 9 in all the game, as it happened a couple times before with attributes on some older items.

TideSwayer

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Join Date: Jul 2005

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22 Jan 2007 at 10:36 - 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by sickkk
i think this was the "updated" HoH chest drop

all weapons drop inscribable
drops include items from all 3 chapters

Oh great. What about us players that don't care a damn about PvP but want some of the older (read: non-inscribable unless HoH chest) skins with good mods without having to pay out the ass for perfect-stat ones?

ANet's answer? Go play PvP you bastards.
My answer? No thanks. Go to hell. My PvP is FPS games, thank you.


I want inscribable old skins (old common skins too) to drop in Chapter 1-2 PvE. For example, I like the Lotus Staves. I like Gothic Defenders. I would love to have an inscribable one. As someone who just likes to go out and kill things, I like these developments as maybe the first step in seeing this.

Another beef of mine are caster weapons and how each attribute for a class gets their own set of skins (for the most part). I wish all caster skins were made droppable with any caster attribute, so we could have some variety. A Death Magic Aureate Lamp? Hell, I'd be ALL over that instead of this bleached skull stuff that i'm getting sick of. Those cool Orrian Earth Staves? Let me get one of those in Communing, please.

And hell, please fix all collector items EVERYWHERE so they can be dyed. I hate how some collector items can be dyed and others can't. It's inconsistent, and frankly, it sucks. I wouldn't mind having to re-craft some stuff if I knew the new ones would be dyable.

The Herbalizer

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Join Date: Jul 2005

22 Jan 2007 at 11:18 - 92
Quote:
Originally Posted by TideSwayer
Oh great. What about us players that don't care a damn about PvP but want some of the older (read: non-inscribable unless HoH chest) skins with good mods without having to pay out the ass for perfect-stat ones?

ANet's answer? Go play PvP you bastards.
My answer? No thanks. Go to hell. My PvP is FPS games, thank you.


I want inscribable old skins (old common skins too) to drop in Chapter 1-2 PvE. For example, I like the Lotus Staves. I like Gothic Defenders. I would love to have an inscribable one. As someone who just likes to go out and kill things, I like these developments as maybe the first step in seeing this.

Another beef of mine are caster weapons and how each attribute for a class gets their own set of skins (for the most part). I wish all caster skins were made droppable with any caster attribute, so we could have some variety. A Death Magic Aureate Lamp? Hell, I'd be ALL over that instead of this bleached skull stuff that i'm getting sick of. Those cool Orrian Earth Staves? Let me get one of those in Communing, please.

And hell, please fix all collector items EVERYWHERE so they can be dyed. I hate how some collector items can be dyed and others can't. It's inconsistent, and frankly, it sucks. I wouldn't mind having to re-craft some stuff if I knew the new ones would be dyable.
You dont need perfect stat items in pve. 14>50 etc all offer virtually the same amount of damage bar like .20 or something stupid. A purple 14>50 crystalline sword is like 100k +30-40 ectos (I think) which is really a tiny amount and totally affordable considering it is the rarest skinned sword in the game. Kinda beats the 2 million they used to sell for....

High req items are usable in pve along with 1% off perfect inherent damage modification weapons. Crystalline sword, dwarven axes and serpent axes with similar stats are actually quite cheap and affordable.

If you cant save 500k or whatever for an item then there is something wrong. Back when I used to actually play Guild Wars properly 500k in 5 days playing 3 hours a day was average for me.

The inscriptable Crystalline swords will most probably be more expensive than the above mentioned so more grind would be needed... Kinda makes me lol when people say they dont want to grind yet look forward to buying inscriptable Crystalline swords. Especially considering they wont be within the reach of most of the Guild Wars community.

grottoftl

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2006

22 Jan 2007 at 11:39 - 93
I really don't get some of the people here. how can a change in one item be the end of guild wars? how can one item be the most important thing or the life of guild wars? it looks like you people are just overreacting. even when its now inscribable isn't it still rare? low droprate and most likely having a chance to get them in the chest if you HA. I bet not a lot of casual players even PvP. I bet your precious crystallines will still be in the high millions price. you still have to grind your ass trying to get them.

quit overreacting its not the end of the world or guild wars for that matter.

GourangaPizza

GourangaPizza

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

R/W

22 Jan 2007 at 12:09 - 94
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

If you cant save 500k or whatever for an item then there is something wrong. Back when I used to actually play Guild Wars properly 500k in 5 days playing 3 hours a day was average for me.
What you do? Playing 'properly' at FoW or UW? It will be alright to say if you are able to accumulate 150k-200k just by doing quests and missions etc... without farming. However to reach 500k within 5 days, 3 hours of play per day without farming would be too far-fetched.

garethporlest18

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Join Date: Jan 2006

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22 Jan 2007 at 12:16 - 95
I think Herb power traded. Boring, time consuming and boring, but it makes a lot of money fast.

I actually like this, because I don't give two smokes about rarity and just like certain skins. A Crystalline in Gold Writing is the skin I want. That gold writing makes me feel good for some reason. Same with the Gothic Sword and some shields. But those are impossible for me to get at the moment because they are so expensive and I will not PvP for something that should be in PvE. And it will soon enough.

So I say more power to you Anet, seeing as I make most of my cash at the merchant now anyways. But make sure you make everything PvE available and hell while we're at it make it all inscribable too. But don't make it easy to get . Like Elemental Swords or the like.

RTSFirebat

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Join Date: May 2005

UK

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22 Jan 2007 at 12:33 - 96
Does this really bother anyone besides people who had perfect Crystaline swords before.

I mean does anyone really care they are inscribable now?

jackie

jackie

/retired

Join Date: Dec 2005

On the Beach

22 Jan 2007 at 13:42 - 97
Quote:
Originally Posted by grottoftl
I really don't get some of the people here. how can a change in one item be the end of guild wars? how can one item be the most important thing or the life of guild wars? it looks like you people are just overreacting. even when its now inscribable isn't it still rare? low droprate and most likely having a chance to get them in the chest if you HA. I bet not a lot of casual players even PvP. I bet your precious crystallines will still be in the high millions price. you still have to grind your ass trying to get them.

quit overreacting its not the end of the world or guild wars for that matter.
You say that if some of us have different opinion about inscriptions & don't like everything that is changing in this game, we are overreacting?

Even that it's only a minority of players that dislikes inscriptions, there's no need to flame us right away. Healthy debate and sharing opinions is the very essence of forums.

But what comes to the point if anyone really care anymore, dunno really, I'm personally adapted the fact that GW items aren't meant to be so hard to get and AN tryies to make this game more for the casual gamers. There are other games out there that concentrates more on collecting rare items and whatnot.

KamikazeChicken

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/

22 Jan 2007 at 13:43 - 98
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oofus
^ if you don't get it by now then you never will. I'm done.



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You truly are an idiot. Just because there are inscribable versions doesn't devalue the "collector worthy" items you seek. Many people are speculating it'll actually drive up the price of the original swords, so you can grind EVEN MORE to get your collector weapon!

That alone should be making EVERYONE complaining in this thread happy. >.>

EDIT:

Quote:
Originally Posted by RTSFirebat
Does this really bother anyone besides people who had perfect Crystaline swords before.

I mean does anyone really care they are inscribable now?
I have a 15>50 r9, and I don't care. I honestly don't know why people create drama like this over nothing, but it's fun as hell to read when you're waiting around for breakfast. ^_^

fatmouse

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

22 Jan 2007 at 13:52 - 99
If people really want to 'earn' it, why don't you try and win one yourself?

SotiCoto

SotiCoto

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Join Date: Jan 2007

Drazach Thicket

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22 Jan 2007 at 14:24 - 100
Quote:
Originally Posted by garethporlest18
Celestial's aren't that rare, no. You can find the majority of them in Nahpui Quarter mission in the chests there, and they drop occasionally. The inscribable one you see there, comes from the Hall of Hero's chest which is accessed by winning HoH..in Hero's Ascent.
I hear about that a lot.... but I don't know what it is.
To be honest I don't pay much attention to it because it sounds like the sort of thing that people with very well-structured guilds with refined group-tactics do (people who enjoy a challenge)..... rather than my sort of person.

I take pride in being a Ronin... in not belonging to any particular guild.... getting invited to join some well-off Guild or other from time to time, adding a few of the better members to my friends list, then leaving the guild and moving on.
As such.... its like I'm forming my own unofficial guild from my friends list... accumulating decent people who can call on me if they need assistance and vice versa.

But that kinda thing isn't really suitable for the special "elite" areas....

I remember when someone took me down to The Deep just because I hadn't even heard of it before.... and I tried exploring in there and got massacred instantly.... Not fun.... but then I couldn't get a party and HAD tried going in there with my heroes... >_<;; ... Too much hassle. Doesn't help me get Grandmaster Cartographer titles either.

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

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22 Jan 2007 at 14:45 - 101
Quote:
Originally Posted by lyra_song
Its like comparing a bootleg to an original. Its never gonna be worth as much, mean as much, or hold as much esteem.

And now that they STOPPED dropping, shouldn't those older genuine crystallines become MORE collectible to the real collectors?
Pay attention, folks. This is the most truest statement in this entire thread. You guys are so worried about the rarity of your Crystallines, but what you fail to realize is that now they will be even rarer. Why? Because now they will rarely, if ever again drop without inscriptions.

Sure, this means that people wanting just the skin (god only knows why, ugly-ass sword) can afford it in working order easier. BUT, those wanting just the rarest sword in the game to show off in trade, or for you own collector purposes, now have a higher star in the heavens to reach. It's going the way of the 15% unconditional, and for a collector, how could this in any way be a bad thing?

Are you worried that now not everyone envies you for your sword skin? Here's a clue: very few did to begin with. Now, like before, the only thing that matters is the true rarity of the item itself (well, to those who care), and this change sees to it that old Crystallines are now truely incredibly rare - only to be rarer.

Am I missing something? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how I'm seeing it.

Razorwood

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

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Xcoh

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22 Jan 2007 at 14:57 - 102
Quote:
Originally Posted by reetkever
-Collector weapons
-15^50 weapons from the weaponsmiths in Droknar
-green weapons
-collector armor
-1K/1,5K armor
-Inscribable gold weapons

Wow... that's about everything a player needs to play the game and more.

What do non-casual players have:

-FoW armor

Oh wait, that's everything, since any 'rare' weapon can drop inscribable from HoH chest now.
And may I ask you which class of characters are the one that have access to the chests in HoH?

And does said class just give them away? I doubt it.

Franco Power

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22 Jan 2007 at 15:01 - 103
I hope they put mursaat hornbows in halls chest, i want one so bad and i dont farm >.> and sigils are too cheap nowadays.

Jetdoc

Jetdoc

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Join Date: Jul 2005

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22 Jan 2007 at 15:09 - 104
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyy High
This does two things:
1) People who have ~200-500k to spend can now get a crystalline, but it won't really be seen as anything special.

2) ALL non inscribable crystallines with even a semi decent damage mod in existence have now become limited edition. 15^50, 15/-5, 15/-10, 15 stance/enchant uninscribable crystallines have now become as damn close to priceless as you could ever get in this game.
Yesterday someone was spamming their 14% while enchanted non-inscribable Crystalline for 50K. No joke.

What this will do is destroy any value that any Crystalline had that had a damage modifier of 13% or less. 14% will still hold a little value, but 15% are the only ones that will be "limited edition" as you described. Unfortunately, there are probably 20 of those in existence, making them a completely remote factor.

I don't own a Crystalline (and never really wanted to)...but I definitely align with those that believe that A-Net doing this has basically eliminated a goal for many players in game. Eliminating goals (no matter what you think of them) is, for the most part, not a good thing for Guild Wars.

Savio

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22 Jan 2007 at 15:15 - 105
Moderator note: Telling someone to go play another game is considered flaming.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
Sure, this means that people wanting just the skin (god only knows why, ugly-ass sword) can afford it in working order easier.
There's still that Long Sword from Pre-Searing. Plus purple crystallines are everywhere.

Quote:
It's going the way of the 15% unconditional, and for a collector, how could this in any way be a bad thing?
It probably will go the way of old 10/10 and 20/20 staves.

Quote:
Are you worried that now not everyone envies you for your sword skin? Here's a clue: very few did to begin with.
Most collectors didn't get crystallines for the envy of the skin; if Gladius skins were worth several million, collectors would buy those instead. It's the value, not the prettiness.

Quote:
Am I missing something? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how I'm seeing it.
Actually, I think uninscribable stuff still drops from HoH as well. But who wants imperfect uninscribables when an inscribable is available?

Senator Tom

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22 Jan 2007 at 15:18 - 106
Quote:
Originally Posted by -Loki-
Yeah, how dare they keep making the game more and more accessible to casual players. How dare they!
thats one of the reasons i quit. in wow, you dont see many people with tier 3 armor (that would be like the armor you get after completing doa 10 times). in guild wars, every other person (that isnt a nub) has 15k or fow armor. now its even easier to get a 15^50 crystalline, which used to be the epitome of greatness.

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

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R/Mo

22 Jan 2007 at 15:37 - 107
Quote:
Originally Posted by Savio
But who wants imperfect uninscribables when an inscribable is available?
A non-collector. Those who just care about the skin and not the true value.

The real collector would own a REAL crystalline.

Oofus

Oofus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.

Cold Hard [CASH]

22 Jan 2007 at 15:38 - 108
Point of fact; Many people are under the misconception that the introduction of inscribables will make the non-inscribables of the same skin more valuable. While I agree that this would seem to make sense, history shows this is simply not the case. When NF released and previously existing skins began dropping with inscription slots the non-inscribable versions plummeted in price. For whatever reason, the market has dictated that when an inscribable version of an already existing skin is released, that skin becomes worthless in monetary value, I have my opinions on why that is but frankly “why” is irrelevant. You can argue all day long about how this does or does not make sense, but the fact of the matter is that it is how the GW market works.

Hyper Cutter

Hyper Cutter

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

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22 Jan 2007 at 15:40 - 109
This is the original inscription thread all over again...

I still fail to see how making something, anything, inscriptable is a bad idea. Inscriptions are a wonderful system, especially on caster weapons and shields....

O Nuxtofulakas

O Nuxtofulakas

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Did u check your closet?

N/

22 Jan 2007 at 15:40 - 110
Quote:
Originally Posted by reetkever

What do non-casual players have:

-FoW armor

Oh wait, that's everything, since any 'rare' weapon can drop inscribable from HoH chest now. So, what's next? Collector in ascalon giving away FoW parts for 3 Gargoyle Skulls? Or removing all non-perfect mods cause everyone and his mother can get perfect stats on rare weapons now? (Seriously, I don't know anybody who still walks around with a 13^50 weapon, except heroes of course)

GG Anet, you're going to lose players with this for sure.
/signed.

It's like asking to get a Ferrari at an affordable price with 50% price reduction and 300 monthly installments (interest free of course ). You cannot complain because Ferrari is not affordable for "casual driver". It's insane!!!

For those who mentioned financial/ marketing data, keep in mind that till now rare items were positioned in such a way that it created "loyal" and "dedicated" customers which is great for a company like Anet....
"Loyal" and "dedicated" because they keep on playing till they get what they want and don't bother trying competitive products...

The myth around Perfect Crystalline (or any other rare skin) is based on the fact that it's ultra rare/hard/expensive (put whatever adjective u like) to get ...if the market is full of "perfect" with just different req no myth to challenge you...

My last comment is that if you look back, the 2 years the game is in the market, you'll notice that not many players (i believe no-one but ok...) left the game because he could not afford the price of a crystal or dwarven axe...
On the other hand, i agree that many players will leave the game because making rare items more common for everyone is not inspirational enough to keep you playing GW.

But ok, this is my pov for these changes...I don't try to say what is good or wrong...

Time to get the gargoyle skulls for my fow

Inari

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

Israel

22 Jan 2007 at 15:47 - 111
I gotta say, I do love this post here, that was somehwta ignored:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aeon221
As it happens, Anet has every reason to hate you people who grind.

Think about it simply. Anet receives the same amount of cash from every player per expansion regardless of how much they play.

So income is constant with regards to number of hours played.

However, costs due to server maintenance accumulate faster when more people are on, based on the number of hours that each of them spend on. Therefore, cost varies based on playtime.

In conclusion, from a STRICTLY financial point of view (ignoring the value of a committed community), Anet has every reason to reduce grind and to create disincentives to those who play overmuch.


More importantly, I want them to make my 15k hydro pimp suit (and the rest of my Ascalon gear) inscribe-able. WTF are they wasting time on a sword .001% of the population even cares about?

EDIT:

If you people hate the game because you have everything, try handing out all your cash, deleting all your characters, and starting again. Here's a hint: you won't be able to solo farm UW this time around.
To me it honestlly sounds like you all are playing the wrong game. Grind and rares have ruind this game comletely. I always thought that gw is about playing the game with friends/guildies. Now, everyone wanna farm... I miss the early days....

milias

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Join Date: Nov 2005

Defected back to America

Me/E

22 Jan 2007 at 15:48 - 112
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Admins Bane
I am a casual player these days. I bet I play a lot less then most people on here 2-3 hours per week...

This game is already based around the casual player far too much. Casual players got greens/double gold drops..the list goes on. There should be an aspect of the game left for the hardcore people.
I used to think like that, b/c I wasn't exactly a casual player and I had gold to burn. Now, I'm more like MB, and don't play that much anymore, and most of my stuff had depreciated so much in value that I'm dirt poor now, since I don't have the time to trade/sell them anymore.

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Admins Bane
This subject is well worn though.
Yes, that it is.

Savio

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

22 Jan 2007 at 15:50 - 113
Quote:
Originally Posted by lyra_song
A non-collector. Those who just care about the skin and not the true value.
Those who only care about skin have:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hyper Cutter
I still fail to see how making something, anything, inscriptable is a bad idea. Inscriptions are a wonderful system, especially on caster weapons and shields....
Inscribable items available to all is a good idea. Making everything inscribable is unnecessary.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Inari
I gotta say, I do love this post here, that was somehwta ignored:
It was ignored because most people didn't farm their way to crystallines. Also, if all your friends and guildies farm, you might want to try looking for new friends and guildies.

Abnaxus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Europe

Keepers of Chaos

22 Jan 2007 at 15:54 - 114
Quote:
Originally Posted by reetkever
Wooo another good thing in GW nerfed to death gg .... yeah...

why the hell nerf crystalline swords? 'Casual players' shouldn't whine about wanting a non-casual gamer's weapon. Let's see what casual players have:

-Collector weapons
-15^50 weapons from the weaponsmiths in Droknar
-green weapons
-collector armor
-1K/1,5K armor
-Inscribable gold weapons

Wow... that's about everything a player needs to play the game and more.

What do non-casual players have:

-FoW armor

Oh wait, that's everything, since any 'rare' weapon can drop inscribable from HoH chest now. So, what's next? Collector in ascalon giving away FoW parts for 3 Gargoyle Skulls? Or removing all non-perfect mods cause everyone and his mother can get perfect stats on rare weapons now? (Seriously, I don't know anybody who still walks around with a 13^50 weapon, except heroes of course)

GG Anet, you're going to lose players with this for sure.
So, all you whiners are basically saying that you played the game so far because there were no inscriptions LOL

What would have been your opinion of the game if A.net had put inscriptions on weapons since Prophecies 1st release?

Whan they released GWP, they decided that i.e. swords could be upgraded with a pommel and a hilt, and left the inherent bonus unmodifiable.

Because of this decision, one of the possible among many, players have created the myth of the "godly weapon", the req. 8 15>50.
And from some posts here, it seems that for them the only and unique reason to play the game is being able to afford one of those weapons that they, artificially, have defined "godly".

So, if in the release notes of GWP in April 2005 A.net had written "you can upgrade your weapons changing the pommel, the hilt and the damage modifier", you are saying that you wouldn't have bought the game at all?

In my opinion, it was a HUGE mistake that A.net didn't introduce inscriptions earlier and waited until the 3rd chapter.
This has generated in the poor minds of "some" kind of customers the expectation that GW could be another of the thousand sh..ty item-based MMOGs, with the advantage of the best graphics and also without monthly fee.

For all of you that say that GWN is a 2-3 day game, please consider that you belong to an insignificant minority that can play 12+ hrs per day. I play 2-3 hours and it takes me at least 15-20 days to finish the main story with one char, and since I also like to collect skins "I" like (gothic sword, summit axes, sun&moon shield, ele staffs and so on) and get 15k or vabbian armors, I also have to spend some time farming for cash and checking auctions.
Since I like to have those nice skins and armors, I don't have time to do many other things, like PvP or acquiring titles for instance.
So for me the game is very unlikely to be considered finished in 2-3 days. This is an exaggeration of someone who I don't consider an hardcore player, I would say someone who needs a good psychiatrist.

Inscriptions have given me the possibility to actually FIND usable items that before were simply unexisting, being them fellblades or divine staffs.

I'm still waiting that A.net makes inscribable raven staffs drop somewhere, I like that skin and nowadays they have actually disappeared.

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

22 Jan 2007 at 16:05 - 115
Quote:
Originally Posted by Savio
Those who only care about skin have:
Collectability, vanity and usability.

Inscribables have the last 2 covered.

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

22 Jan 2007 at 16:13 - 116
Abnaxus, very good point. I keep thinking that everytime they make a change that makes people say "But, it's supposed to be like...". Rubbish. It's supposed to be like however Anet says it's supposed to be like. They made the game, they can change it how they see fit. If the inscriptions had been in the game from release, and they really should have been, I guarantee not one person would be complaining about it - not one.

Maybe that's why I enjoy changes more than most people, because I can visiaulize the overall effect, and how everything would have been if that change was always there. Sure, some changes upset a lot of people, especially the ones that have been there from the beginning - they are the ones that are most firmly rooted in the game as it is, and have a harder time dealing with the things they're used to going away.

Overall, this is for the better, and it will only be a lot better if every item in the game were inscribable, or at least the drops from now on. Actually, I completely support that, as well as support the introduction of more even rarer items than crystallines, as long as they are inscibable - and especially if they have nicer skins.

Customized items FTW.

jackie

jackie

/retired

Join Date: Dec 2005

On the Beach

22 Jan 2007 at 16:16 - 117
Quote:
Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
Pay attention, folks. This is the most truest statement in this entire thread. You guys are so worried about the rarity of your Crystallines, but what you fail to realize is that now they will be even rarer. Why? Because now they will rarely, if ever again drop without inscriptions.

Sure, this means that people wanting just the skin (god only knows why, ugly-ass sword) can afford it in working order easier. BUT, those wanting just the rarest sword in the game to show off in trade, or for you own collector purposes, now have a higher star in the heavens to reach. It's going the way of the 15% unconditional, and for a collector, how could this in any way be a bad thing?

Are you worried that now not everyone envies you for your sword skin? Here's a clue: very few did to begin with. Now, like before, the only thing that matters is the true rarity of the item itself (well, to those who care), and this change sees to it that old Crystallines are now truely incredibly rare - only to be rarer.

Am I missing something? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how I'm seeing it.
Post #108 explains the situation. You've seen it with other skins as well.

I've never collected items to get envy looks from other players.

I don't have anymore to add to this thread. We see this situation in different light and time will show how things will end up in the end.

______
jackie

Carinae

Carinae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Inside

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

22 Jan 2007 at 16:53 - 118
Quote:
Originally Posted by Two April Mornings
I am sick and tired of the watering down of rare.
Hey now. We in Rare are not watered down. Maybe liquered up and drunk, (especially that Savio guy) but not watered down....

The Herbalizer

The Herbalizer

<3 Ecto

Join Date: Jul 2005

22 Jan 2007 at 17:08 - 119
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abnaxus
So, all you whiners are basically saying that you played the game so far because there were no inscriptions LOL

What would have been your opinion of the game if A.net had put inscriptions on weapons since Prophecies 1st release?

Whan they released GWP, they decided that i.e. swords could be upgraded with a pommel and a hilt, and left the inherent bonus unmodifiable.

Because of this decision, one of the possible among many, players have created the myth of the "godly weapon", the req. 8 15>50.
And from some posts here, it seems that for them the only and unique reason to play the game is being able to afford one of those weapons that they, artificially, have defined "godly".

So, if in the release notes of GWP in April 2005 A.net had written "you can upgrade your weapons changing the pommel, the hilt and the damage modifier", you are saying that you wouldn't have bought the game at all?

In my opinion, it was a HUGE mistake that A.net didn't introduce inscriptions earlier and waited until the 3rd chapter.
This has generated in the poor minds of "some" kind of customers the expectation that GW could be another of the thousand sh..ty item-based MMOGs, with the advantage of the best graphics and also without monthly fee.

For all of you that say that GWN is a 2-3 day game, please consider that you belong to an insignificant minority that can play 12+ hrs per day. I play 2-3 hours and it takes me at least 15-20 days to finish the main story with one char, and since I also like to collect skins "I" like (gothic sword, summit axes, sun&moon shield, ele staffs and so on) and get 15k or vabbian armors, I also have to spend some time farming for cash and checking auctions.
Since I like to have those nice skins and armors, I don't have time to do many other things, like PvP or acquiring titles for instance.
So for me the game is very unlikely to be considered finished in 2-3 days. This is an exaggeration of someone who I don't consider an hardcore player, I would say someone who needs a good psychiatrist.

Inscriptions have given me the possibility to actually FIND usable items that before were simply unexisting, being them fellblades or divine staffs.

I'm still waiting that A.net makes inscribable raven staffs drop somewhere, I like that skin and nowadays they have actually disappeared.
You are aware that most of the old school power traders and item collectors who owned Guild Wars around release time no longer play??? When Anet added Sorrows Furnace many quit, and many quit when Anet screwed with the drop rates. They were clearly motivated by an items rarity so if every item was inscriptable I could not see them or me for that matter hanging around long.

When people bought Guild Wars they didnt scrutinize every detail about it to ensure that they can purchase rare stuff. I for one did not buy Guild Wars to collect items, that came after I had played it for some time. I am sure many others did the same. They also didnt contemplate whether Anet would in the future destroy the value of what they have worked so hard to accumulate. When I bought WoW recently I vowed I would not get invloved in collecting items again but when I figured out ways to get gold quickly without much grind I decided to start collecting high end WoW items.

Last time I check 15>50 Fellblades were like worth nothing, I see them for like 50k. I also bought a 20/20 Divine Staff for 30k... Not alot of gold even to someone who only quests....

Poor mind I guess is directed at me and others who dislike what Anet do. If anything the people who cant make millions of gold in Guild Wars have poor minds as it is not hard to make gold and can be done without grind. I mean I can go from mmorpg to mmorpg and make rediculous amounts of gold quickly and easily. My success, obviously the result of a poor mind... How about my real life investments which have allowed me to make alot of money? Poor mind... Excellent education and excellent grades? You guessed it, poor mind. My success in online game and real life is almost certainly due to my poor mind.

Insulting people really is ftl. This thread I bet will get closed as people are resulting to childish and strange insults.

Theus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

W/Mo

22 Jan 2007 at 17:37 - 120
You know what would be great?If they made all requirements for all weapons 9.no other differences just nine.

I wonder how much pandemonium that would cause.

Though I do look forward to a Green Crystalline Sword.That would be sweet.