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Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

03 Feb 2007 at 21:51 - 201

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lawnmower

no... hard mode:

-PERMA DEATH until completion of campaign.

-amazing rewards in the end.

Hard Mode is not "Hardcore."

Yeesh, people, remember the NES days where you had a choice between "Easy," "Normal," and "Hard?" It's like that. Don't overcomplicate it.

JC68

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Slovakia

DVD Forums [DVDF]

W/

03 Feb 2007 at 22:00 - 202

jeeez HARD MODE... well i propably should find PvE guild, cause i dont think i will henche/PUG it to Masters as i did with all protectors ):

Omega X

Ninja Unveiler

Join Date: Jun 2005

Louisiana, USA

Boston Guild[BG]

W/Me

03 Feb 2007 at 23:48 - 203

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markaedw

Am I the only one that "Jumping the Shark" comes to mind, especially since NF sales were so bad.

You've seen the records that shows NF's sales numbers?

Fender

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ohio

XoO

03 Feb 2007 at 23:51 - 204

Quote:

Originally Posted by Togira Ikonaka

Tbh, I wouldn't want another amulet/book. They were pretty crap greens.

Then maybe something like them where you get to craft a custom green. Pick from 3 or 4 skins, and pick your inscriptions and upgrades. Make the item green so that the mods are unsalvagable and maybe even auto-customize the item. Make it so other chars can use it though so you can create a monk item by completing the title with your warrior, for example. Or people can sell them.

Markaedw

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

N/

04 Feb 2007 at 01:26 - 205

Here is my source:

http://gigaom.com/2006/10/26/guild-wars/

Published 26-oct-2006, in it lists the sales numbers at 2.5 million.

Then on 13-dec-2007 GW hit the 3 mill mark, which means in that 6 week time frame they sold 500,000 games. Not all of those will be NF.

Deleet

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

Denmark

Rule Thirty Four [prOn]

Mo/

04 Feb 2007 at 02:25 - 206

A half million is bad, how?
Also note that a lot presents at christmas probably was Nightfall..
Prophecies took close to 5 months to sell 1 million.
So to sell ~500.000 in 1.5 month is bad compared?

Alex Morningstar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

Team Asshat [Hat] leader - [GR] Alliance

Mo/

04 Feb 2007 at 02:43 - 207

Personally... I think GW could stand to get a little harder. It says a lot that if between two people you can beat the game in a week.

Markaedw

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

N/

04 Feb 2007 at 04:11 - 208

And how long did it take each to get to the bargin bin?

Prophecies: about 2 yrs
Factions: about 8 months
Nightfall: about 6 weeks

each game is selling less than the previous, no marketing director likes to see that.

-Loki-

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

04 Feb 2007 at 04:50 - 209

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markaedw

Prophecies: about 2 yrs
Factions: about 8 months
Nightfall: about 6 weeks

I haven't seen any of them in a bargain bin in Australia.

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

04 Feb 2007 at 05:05 - 210

Prophecies hasn't even been out in 2 years so what are you talking about and no to hard mode.

Dougal Kronik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ontario, Canada

Glengarry Fencibles

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04 Feb 2007 at 05:34 - 211

No copies of GW in the bargain bins in Canada either.

That article that Markaedw linked tells of a success story and a threat to the traditional MMO's.

Age, hard mode is available after you have Protecter of Tyria/Cantha/Elona. So, it's just a way to get some more content from missions already in the game. Hopefully with new objectives, and certainly with more difficult mobs.

The one Casey Squid

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

The Northeast

Knights Of Thulcandra [KoT]

W/E

04 Feb 2007 at 05:59 - 212

Prophecies is still fifty bucks where I live in America. Dont know what your talkig about...

MegaMouse

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

south mississippi

Warriors Of Melos WOM

E/N

04 Feb 2007 at 06:09 - 213

Just looking at my titles and apperently this new title is for Cantha only as I have Protector for all 3 and it says nothing about guardian in the Tyrian or Elonian tite track. To tell the truth I realy do no want to go back and redo the missions in Cantha again just for a a title.

Mega Mouse

Dougal Kronik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ontario, Canada

Glengarry Fencibles

R/

04 Feb 2007 at 06:16 - 214

Quote:

Originally Posted by MegaMouse

Just looking at my titles and apperently this new title is for Cantha only as I have Protector for all 3 and it says nothing about guardian in the Tyrian or Elonian tite track. To tell the truth I realy do no want to go back and redo the missions in Cantha again just for a a title.

Mega Mouse

I had the Guardian reference in uncompleted Canthan title until I got Prot of Cantha tonight - now it's gone.

On my Prot of Tyria, there is no mention of Guardian.

On my uncompleted Prot of Elona, there is the Guardian reference.

-Loki-

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

04 Feb 2007 at 06:54 - 215

Quote:

Originally Posted by MegaMouse

Just looking at my titles and apperently this new title is for Cantha only as I have Protector for all 3 and it says nothing about guardian in the Tyrian or Elonian tite track. To tell the truth I realy do no want to go back and redo the missions in Cantha again just for a a title.

The protector tracks have to be incomplete for this message to show for you. Probably something they forgot to remove before it went live so we ended up getting a buggy description before the actual feature was completed. It's for all 3 continents.

NeHoMaR

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

04 Feb 2007 at 08:21 - 216

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Loki-

...ended up getting a buggy description before the actual feature was completed.

Buggy? I think this was intentional, expecting threads like this one and indirectly ask people opinion about this title.

manitoba1073

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

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(SFC)Star Fleet Command,(TDE)The Daggerfall elite,(SOoM)Secret order of Magi

04 Feb 2007 at 09:11 - 217

Guys dont worry, its just Anet using another band aid on the much bigger problem. Barely cover anything then expect you to feel better. If Anet truelly wanted to save all the trouble long ago all they would have to have done is up the damn drop rates. Then all these little things would have been great gifts instead of band aids on the big problem.

Thomas.knbk

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

04 Feb 2007 at 09:44 - 218

Quote:

Originally Posted by wingzro

Level 60 bosses doing quadruple damage?

I'm thinking more on the line of more random monster spawns, more monks in each mob group. mobs utilizing their skills better, mobs with random skills. lvl 60's with quadriple dmg would probably just promote some rediculous farming build.

Cow Tale

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2006

Ocean Shores, Washington

Last Sun Rise

W/Mo

04 Feb 2007 at 14:20 - 219

i thought they just fixed the "hard mode" bug? now when i error 7 i can jump right back in! =D

kicks66

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

London

[Cape]

E/

04 Feb 2007 at 15:36 - 220

Surely if you dont want to do a mission in hard mode, you dont do it

Same goes for the title that it may reward, like other titles you dont have to do it.

I personally am looking forward to hard mode missions, it may actually make me want to replay some missions again.

ChaoticCoyote

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

Florida, USA

Imperial Order of the Iguana [IGGY]

R/

04 Feb 2007 at 15:47 - 221

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markaedw

And how long did it take each to get to the bargin bin?

Prophecies: about 2 yrs
Factions: about 8 months
Nightfall: about 6 weeks

each game is selling less than the previous, no marketing director likes to see that.

Completely untrue.

All of my local retailers -- including Wal-Mart, CompUSA, Circuit City, BestBuy -- continue to carry all three chapters at FULL RETAIL PRICE. The displays are quite prominent.

You don't honestly think Wal-mart is still carrying Prophecies and Nightfall at full price if it weren't selling?

GW is doing just fine. Just because it is a fantasy game doesn't mean you need to make up fantasies about it.

Jetdoc

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Eyes of Texas [BEVO]

D/A

04 Feb 2007 at 15:54 - 222

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

If no heroes are allowed; Hard Mode will be a flop.

Why? We'll have people spread around 58 missions (57 if you don't count Augury Rock as a mission). Do you really think that there will be enough people for an all-human group in each area?

Isn't this the same argument that people are making about why heroes haven't hurt the multiplayer aspect of the game, but are claiming that there are PLENTY of PuGs still available?

Honestly, as I said previously in this thread, this may be an indirect attempt to get more people to play PvE multiplayer. Whether that be with a guild group or an accomplished PvE PuG that all have their Protector titles...I would love to see this move us back to the "multi" in MMORPG...

NeHoMaR

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

04 Feb 2007 at 16:33 - 223

In Neverwinter Nights, the "hard" mode is just more "favorable" rolls in the random damage monsters do (and less favorable for you), also AOE damage (casting by yourself) hurt yourself and your team in the area, etc.

FelixCarter

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Mo/Me

04 Feb 2007 at 17:31 - 224

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaoticCoyote

Completely untrue.

All of my local retailers -- including Wal-Mart, CompUSA, Circuit City, BestBuy -- continue to carry all three chapters at FULL RETAIL PRICE. The displays are quite prominent.

You don't honestly think Wal-mart is still carrying Prophecies and Nightfall at full price if it weren't selling?

GW is doing just fine. Just because it is a fantasy game doesn't mean you need to make up fantasies about it.

My dorm friend just bought Guild Wars Prophecies at The Wal-Mart for $35. She said Nightfall was selling for $50 and I never asked her what Factions was selling for.

She ended up buying Prophecies because she wanted a birthday present that wasn't too expensive.

Anyways, money and gaming aside: bring on Hard Mode! I like to be insta-gibbed sometimes.

lacasner

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

04 Feb 2007 at 17:42 - 225

hehe, i remembered suggesting this before in a sense it would be a good way to use GW instancing system, and on this forum too. (I forgot where the link is) I don't know if Anet listened to me or not, but if they did, Thanks hehe

.

Seriously though, this is only 1 step in the other purposes instancing can provide, and I'm sure "eventually" Anet will see the light

.

Tanith

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

Guardians of the Vault [GotV]

Me/E

05 Feb 2007 at 05:00 - 226

Here is what I believe will happen.

You'll be doing, say, Thunderhead Keep.

A counter will appear in your upper left hand screen announcing something like "3764 Red Iris Flowers Sold to Merchants". The number will continue to climb until between 80-120 flowers have been sold.

Then (along about the time you're having to help King Shorty hold the fort down against the Mursaat), the screen will turn dark, the ground will shake, and the announcement "Gwen Walks the Earth" will appear. At which point Gwen will appear and punish you severely for not preventing the Searing. The Mursaat will emit a collective "Eeeek!" and run (okay, float) like hell, with King Ironhammer bringing up the rear (short legs, dontcha know). Your party will be left all alone with Gwen. Assuming you can defeat her, all party members will earn the...well, I forgot what the title was while coming up with all this, but you all earn it. Also a complimentary six-pack of Spiked Eggnog for having to read this post and then do all that. And Gwen's Ear, which any Necromancer can transform into an Ear Golem.

I can't wait, can you?

Tanith

brokenmonkey

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

CA

[UC] Uber Crue

W/

05 Feb 2007 at 06:07 - 227

^^^ Toooo muchhh Diablo 2!!

pixel.summoner

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Near Seattle, Wa.

Order of the Shining Lion

N/

05 Feb 2007 at 07:49 - 228

There's alot going on in here, but... i'm curious what sprouted the addition of this idea. Granted they haven't posted full details just yet, but i'm curious now as to what will be involved. Senseless to bitch and moan without full detail. imho.

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

05 Feb 2007 at 08:52 - 229

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaoticCoyote

Completely untrue.

All of my local retailers -- including Wal-Mart, CompUSA, Circuit City, BestBuy -- continue to carry all three chapters at FULL RETAIL PRICE. The displays are quite prominent.

You don't honestly think Wal-mart is still carrying Prophecies and Nightfall at full price if it weren't selling?

GW is doing just fine. Just because it is a fantasy game doesn't mean you need to make up fantasies about it.

May i introduce you to Play.com? They have Prophecies at 15 quid.... ~$25 i think.

Why is everyone so pissed about having to redo missions for the title? The title will mean alot more... be slightly more fun to attain too bar certain missions... (*cough* Jennurs Horde/Nundu Bay, Vizunah Square, Gate of Madness).

Cherrie

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Echowald

Marked by [Fury]

Me/

05 Feb 2007 at 09:09 - 230

I'm not happy because I think I know what does 'hard mode' mean to ANet - unfortunatelly. There are currently um, how many missions? 58? There is NO WAY Devs will spend decent ammount of time to re-design each of them to provide some fun challenge apart from higher lvl mobs + enviromental effects + sweet skills (I recall Gaile writing here and there Devs are so busy with X,Y and Z that they can't be bothered with Q), and I still dream of how sucky I find DoA (the more sucky, I rised my hopes waiting for something fun). And since the harder the mission, the more difficult it is for some classes to get a party - not to mention, Master Party - well, you prolly get my drift by now.

But I agree, no more whining untill details are released.
(Oh goodie, 20 mins for Raisu with... erm.. hm... ugh... 30 lvl mobs multiplied by 2 and all DoA effects...? Oh... yes... Why basicly am I giving them ideas? >.<)

Lonesamurai

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Cheltenham, Glos, UK

Wolf Pack Samurai [WPS]

R/A

05 Feb 2007 at 10:28 - 231

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evilsod

May i introduce you to Play.com? They have Prophecies at 15 quid.... ~$25 i think.

I know, lets tease the americans with low prices they can't buy... As Play.com doesn't sell outside of the UK

Perynne

Site Contributor

Join Date: Oct 2006

Finland

Runners of the Rose [RR]

R/

05 Feb 2007 at 12:15 - 232

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

I know, lets tease the americans with low prices they can't buy... As Play.com doesn't sell outside of the UK

That's funny, I recall lots of my friends buying their Prophecies, Factions and Nightfall from Play.com. And we're not from the UK. I also recall seeing a little button called "International" on their website....

Anyway, I'm looking forward to hard mode, and hoping that it's implemented even with a little thought behind it. I'm kind of hoping that it will be players only (no heroes allowed), which would definetly make it more interesting.

The frustration of finding good pugs would never end.

Arwen Shiningstar

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

Arizona

Absence of Evidence [AoE]

Mo/

05 Feb 2007 at 14:45 - 233

Hard mode the lame idea that broke the camels back. People say it will be like playing a new game. Can we rip Diablo 2 off anymore? One time through most of these missions is quite enough. Why not fix stuff that IS broke. Example Skill title split, Sunspear points. Another suggestion don't impliment stuff that isn't finished. Take the time to finish things then put them in. Instead of doing a half way job so everyone can sit and speculate for weeks or month or however long it will take to make it work. But this really doesnt matter to me anymore anyway since my friend and I will be enjoying the World of Warcraft.

BTW- I was hardcore player 2 accounts with all 3 campaigns on both. Complete CE's on one account. +3500 hours of gameplay, but enough is enough!

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

05 Feb 2007 at 14:59 - 234

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arwen Shiningstar

Another suggestion don't impliment stuff that isn't finished. Take the time to finish things then put them in. Instead of doing a half way job so everyone can sit and speculate for weeks or month or however long it will take to make it work.

Releasing limited amounts of information for the sole purpose of sparking discussion in your fanbase is a bad idea?

Here, let me show you a new word: "Marketing".

Arwen Shiningstar

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

Arizona

Absence of Evidence [AoE]

Mo/

05 Feb 2007 at 15:04 - 235

Well there "marketing" has driven at least 3 people that I know of (BTW- We are all adults) right away. Selling a half finished product is great marketing? Hmmm with that logic maybe I next time they change my oil they will only change half of it and I will return in anticapation of the other half getting changed!

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

05 Feb 2007 at 15:06 - 236

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arwen Shiningstar

Well there "marketing" has driven at least 3 people that I know of (BTW- We are all adults) right away. Selling a half finished product is great marketing? Hmmm with that logic maybe I next time they change my oil they will only change half of it and I will return in anticapation of the other half getting changed!

Based on this logic, you're saying they promised Hard Mode all along, and implemented it late/halfway--this is certainly not the case. This is an MMO (of sorts, anyway); the nature of these games is to continually change.

This complaint could, however, be used against the late DoA, but certainly not in relation to Hard Mode, whatever it may turn out to be.

Arwen Shiningstar

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

Arizona

Absence of Evidence [AoE]

Mo/

05 Feb 2007 at 15:22 - 237

My point was don't even add a hard mode until other issues are rectified. Then when you add new features:

1. Make sure they work. This is not the first update or added feature that hasn't worked correctly. Maybe I don't know.....test it first. If I handed stuff in where I work like this I would end up in jail. (Enron style)

2. Fix old problems before causing new problems.

3. Finish chapters that are already released before adding more things.

I don't mind change but all this [email protected] updating gets rather old.

mojave mango juice

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2006

05 Feb 2007 at 15:25 - 238

All the stores I've seen carry all three campaigns for $50, with the exception of EB games, which sells prophecies for $40.

I for one think hard mode will be cool ^_^

And do remember that hard mode (and titles) are optional....if you don't like it, you don't have to do it.

As for the helping-friends thing, I figured maybe you couldnt choose hard mode unless all the chars in your party had the option, but that's just a guess.

c_ras

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Eternal Deliverance

R/

05 Feb 2007 at 15:37 - 239

Ok, I have mixed thoughts about the possible introduction of this "Hard Mode"
With my Ranger having all three Protector titles, I will accept it for the fact that it will give me something new to work towards on my Ranger (he is my title collector). A lot of the missions are ridiculously easy, but there are some that do pose a challenge (and those are mainly the ones that are timed ---I swear I hate timed missions). I remember a few times doing Ruins of Morah or Grand Court and getting only expert because the group just wasn't fast enough and was a few seconds off. I've been diligently working hard on trying for the KoaBD and PKM titles, so any devalue to the titles, will surely upset a lot of people. You only wonder if the Guardian title will count towards the KoaBD or if it will be just for the fancy and glory to show off. It will be interesting to see how they approach this. I guess another good thing, is that I will have all the missions unlocked and won't have to spend time doing any primary quests to get the mission.

But, imo, I think this is Anet's way of sorta shadowing the release of the 4th campaign. Since they probably won't keep up with the 6-month commitment, they need something to hold people over until it DOES come out.......and what better way to do that than to address what several people have wanted "a harder game" and have everyone redo ALL the missions over 3 campaigns for the Guardian title. Just something to think about.

Lonesamurai

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Cheltenham, Glos, UK

Wolf Pack Samurai [WPS]

R/A

05 Feb 2007 at 16:14 - 240

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perynne

That's funny, I recall lots of my friends buying their Prophecies, Factions and Nightfall from Play.com. And we're not from the UK. I also recall seeing a little button called "International" on their website....

Just to finish this lil tidbit of info, the international store doesn't stock games