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Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

03 Feb 2007 at 01:52 - 161

Quote:

Originally Posted by brokenmonkey

pleeeaaasssee im not flaming, just pleassse stop comparing WOW to GW, there nothing alike.

And I would never leave GW for WoW Zinger.

They are both alike; they are MMOs which feature instanced dungeons, which is the core of this topic. It may be apples and oranges, but they are both fruit.

And I always love it when people say they will never leave Guild Wars. Remember that stuffed animal you had as a kid?

Nkah Sennyt

Awaken from hiatus.

Join Date: Apr 2006

Riding the spiral.

No Fun Allowed [Vdya]

03 Feb 2007 at 02:09 - 162

You're misinterpreting it, Z. It's not "I'll never leave GW." It's "I'll never leave GW for WoW." And on that behalf, I agree - I could never play a character that looks like a lumberjack.

Markaedw

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

N/

03 Feb 2007 at 02:15 - 163

Am I the only one that "Jumping the Shark" comes to mind, especially since NF sales were so bad.

brokenmonkey

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

CA

[UC] Uber Crue

W/

03 Feb 2007 at 02:18 - 164

Nkah Sennyt, Thank you, you took the words right out of my mouth.

Why would I go from a game with good graphics, cool game-play, free monthly, awesome PvE and not addictive *To and extent XD.* to a game with bad/Terrible 1998 Graphics, monthly Payment, and too stupid looking.

Don't say "Well, Guild Wars has a monthly cus when you buy every 6 months BLAH BLAH", you don't have to buy them, and what happens when you don't buy every six months? nothing. What happens when you don't pay for 6 months in WoW?.

Back on topic, WooooooT I can't wait until this new mode comes out!

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

03 Feb 2007 at 02:21 - 165

Quote:

Originally Posted by LagunaCid

hah. I am personally worried about Burning Souls and Undead Stygian Dolls.
Id panic if ANet added mosnters like those :P

Don't you dare give them ideas!

VitisVinifera

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Northern California

HoTR

N/Me

03 Feb 2007 at 02:32 - 166

those undead stygian dolls cost me a couple lvl 90+ hc chars

Liberations

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2006

Azeroth (shhh)

Ryders of the Sword [FrNd]

E/

03 Feb 2007 at 02:39 - 167

E/A/N/Me/Mo/Rt/R/D/P/W Burning Undead Styigan Soul Doll Lvl 120
Skills- Oblivion Touch- kill all enemies and they cannot be ressurected
:P

Really though, Hard Mode ftw, some missions to me are too easy. And what's with all the Anet bashing? They get a couple of things wrong and then people are too cynical to realize they do more things right than wrong. Really think about all the little things that Anet has implemented into the game. Those get left unnoticed.
i.e Observer mode, reconnects, party search, alliances, extended Guild support... the list goes on

"When you do things right, people won't know you've done anything at all"

Omega X

Ninja Unveiler

Join Date: Jun 2005

Louisiana, USA

Boston Guild[BG]

W/Me

03 Feb 2007 at 03:03 - 168

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

"Hard Mode" sounds like a direct copy of WoW:TBC's "Heroic Mode" for instances [except with a generic name]. If so, then Hard Mode will be incredibly dissappointing.

If GW will follow suit, the enemies in "hard mode" missions will just deal more damage, and maybe have an [additional] Elite. Nothing special. I seriously doubt that ArenaNet will put effort into refurbishing 58 missions.

And what's worse is that there would be no motivation. Guild Wars has a bad risk vs. reward ratio, since gear is easily obtained. What would you get from completing Hard Mode missions? New weapon skins? Hah. And the title is meaningless. (I have Protector of all 3 continents. Does anyone care? No.)

And it'll come too late. Within two months, I predict a significant portion of the player base will leave for WoW. (especially after the lackluster PvP upgrades)

You mean that Blizzard actually copied the City Of Heroes difficulty system finally?

Though I doubt too many will leave for WoW since they bought Guild Wars for the no fee part. However I hear a few are heading for Vanguard.

Drevik Crimson Hero

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

Reno, NV

LBS Graduate, Founder- Kirin Dragon Slayers[DS], Honorable Knight[Honk], Draco Electrum[Claw]

W/Mo

03 Feb 2007 at 03:19 - 169

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

I don't know, not for a while, but not too long, either. I will check on that and hope to have a more defined answer this week.

It will be cool, folks. It will be optional. Nobody's titles will be devalued, not at all. And no one--no one!--is being forced to participate!

So this will not take away from the "Kind of a Big Deal" Title? since Protector titles are all max now and won't be after the guardian title is in effect

Haijiibirdhead

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

None

R/Mo

03 Feb 2007 at 03:59 - 170

Quote:

It will be cool, folks. It will be optional. Nobody's titles will be devalued, not at all. And no one--no one!--is being forced to participate!

Thats the chief difficulty i forsee with this , Arenanet will have to add in a system to prevent someone with "hard mode" on , joining a team who just want to play the mission normally , or have separate hard mode districts. Otherwise I can see of unnecessary added stress going down in finding teams , and certain jerks who would set it on hard mode for the express purpose of ruining the fun of others , if missions can be called fun.

There are ppl in this game who get kicks out of ruining other's time , I've seen it, would be sad if they were able to ruin this as well.

Juicey Shake

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

CA

in it for the trimmmm

R/

03 Feb 2007 at 04:08 - 171

Quote:

Originally Posted by Queen Christie

And how is it going to be possible to kill a boss that is doing 1000dmg PER second? The party will be wiped out before it can even attack. gg

HOW DO I SHOT PROT SPIRIT?

FelixCarter

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Mo/Me

03 Feb 2007 at 04:09 - 172

w00tzorz! Bring on Hard Mode!

Granted, I'm still waiting to see Urgoz and The Deep opened to everyone and not just owners of Cavalon and House zu Heltzer... Truth be told, I have not yet even played in such challenging areas. But I wish to...

Back to the topic at hand, having a "Hard Mode" will be superb! I'm guessing/hoping this will also include Prophecies?

Thank you, ANet for thinking about a wondeful idea such as this! I can only hope that this "Hard Mode" of which you speak is everything everyone expects it to be... And then some!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juicey Shake

HOW DO I SHOT PROT SPIRIT?

XDROFLCOPTER2THEWARLORDS LOL

rohara

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

Rt/

03 Feb 2007 at 04:25 - 173

i'm looking forward to this

vizunah square is going to be a RIOT!

nice to add some replay value to pve. i can play through factions time and time again and still enjoy it, but not so much in tyria and elona. (moddock crevice, wtf @ that mission!) the ones in tyria are just too easy, and the ones in elona have a tendency to just be annoying and long. maybe that's why i like factions so much, i like to blow through a mission as fast as possible and do a nice /flex afterwards cuz i just blew through 6854165165 baddies in under 15 minutes

Haijiibirdhead

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

None

R/Mo

03 Feb 2007 at 04:27 - 174

Quote:

HOW DO I SHOT PROT SPIRIT?

OMG good monks?

In a PUG ?

He speaks Madness.

Anyway all you can do against that ridiculously overpowered boss is be prepared with the counters to searing flames (not many i know) pre- mission. Kind of takes the fun away as its Build Wars for PvE.

Very difficult to keep spread out in such confined halls but we beat him by taking out the other 2 first without aggroing him , and then bringing him down from all sides at once with out own searing flames mostly.

But yea , as for hard mode , i can well imagine that on REGULAR mode that ele boss djinn will do some 380 dmg on average to ppl i bet with hard mode he will do more like 600 (+) , PER person .....

so yes , without monk enchants , its instant death .....to the whole team ...with a single attack ....

And he does pretty much spam it.

Markaedw

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

N/

03 Feb 2007 at 04:30 - 175

one possiblity

hard mode=solo mission w/o hench or hero

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

03 Feb 2007 at 04:38 - 176

Soloing isn't a measure of difficulty. It's about having a build that exploits oversights and weaknesses in the AI to maximum effect.

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

03 Feb 2007 at 04:49 - 177

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avarre

Soloing isn't a measure of difficulty. It's about having a build that exploits oversights and weaknesses in the AI to maximum effect.

...which is all high-end PvE in general. (i.e. Deep, DoA)

I gurantee you, one day after the Hard Mode is instituted, there will be a flood of Mesmer whine posts that no one wants them in a group...

...of course, smart people will do the missions with Heroes, duh, so it may be a misnomer.

Although I admit, Hard Mode is keeping me from giving away my storgae account of gold.

LagunaCid

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

BHL

R/

03 Feb 2007 at 05:13 - 178

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juicey Shake

HOW DO I SHOT PROT SPIRIT?

i dunno, lol

Damn it, GWG is being overran by /b/

Burn Butt

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

Mafia of Annihilation [FeAr]

E/Me

03 Feb 2007 at 05:47 - 179

I cannot imagine in any way that DoA could get harder than it is and have anyone playing it.... Is it possible (crossing fingers) that this could be a two-fold update? That they could make DoA a little easier (think elite missions from Cantha) for "the rest of us" who don't play 24/7, while at the same time creating a harder world for those that do play 24/7 and like to call everyone noobs?

zakaria

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

03 Feb 2007 at 07:01 - 180

If they only improve the loot from mobs in 'Hard Mode' (i mean really improving it) i will accept this change

Haijiibirdhead

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

None

R/Mo

03 Feb 2007 at 07:17 - 181

Quote:

I cannot imagine in any way that DoA could get harder than it is and have anyone playing it....

It will get harder , the more skills that are seen as "overpowered" in PvP get nerfed up , skills which make DoA no less wearisome , but bearable at least.

and omg I'd shudder to think if they had a "hard mode" for DoA , the only thing i can think of is vastly expanding the size of the aggro bubble of the baddies and making it so that 1 hit from any baddie = instant death! , with enchant removal to spare!

Not to mention stacking environmental effects!

That would probably be mission impossible , but it will shut up all the elitists who say PvE is far to easy eh?

Maria The Princess

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Aequitas Deis

03 Feb 2007 at 08:00 - 182

well, DOA is not considered to go in Protector title guys.

the missions are, not explorables

-Loki-

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

03 Feb 2007 at 09:38 - 183

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haijiibirdhead

That would probably be mission impossible , but it will shut up all the elitists who say PvE is far to easy eh?

Hardly elitists who think PvE is too easy. Sad fact is that it is too easy.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

03 Feb 2007 at 09:53 - 184

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markaedw

Am I the only one that "Jumping the Shark" comes to mind, especially since NF sales were so bad.

Umm? WTH are you talking about? What sharks?

-Loki-

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

03 Feb 2007 at 09:57 - 185

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Umm? WTH are you talking about? What sharks?

Jumping the shark is a term used to describe something hitting it's peak, or doing something stupid or illogical. It originated from the episode of happy days where Fonzie jumps a shark on water skis.

Haijiibirdhead

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

None

R/Mo

03 Feb 2007 at 10:00 - 186

IF its too easy , then play in a tougher area , problem solved.

It cant all be rock hard to play , as that leads to cookie cutter builds and the alienation of many professions deemed not powerful enough , or not fitting in said cookie cutter builds. And it will also alienate new / mid range players.

Theres areas for you if you want the super hard challenge all the time, I like the super challenge of DoA etc some of the time , but thats there , I'd certainly hate all pve to be that way , which is why im glad this har mode should be optional - IF THEY DO IT RIGHT - see my previous posts on jerks ruining others games.

It goesfor any game . If youre a vet and have the right build and use the right tactics , then you can win in ANY area relatively straightforwardly , doesnt make it fun necessarily. DoA , while ive done alot of it to get morte than a few rewards , I have never found it fun. An achievement yes , fun , no.

JoeKnowMo

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2005

Wessst Siiide, USA

Mo/

03 Feb 2007 at 10:22 - 187

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Loki-

Hardly elitists who think PvE is too easy. Sad fact is that it is too easy.

Ever tried monking for a team in mursaat territory that has warriors using frenzy, eles using firestorm, sins doing whatever and 3/4 of them are not infused?

-Loki-

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

03 Feb 2007 at 10:51 - 188

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeKnowMo

Ever tried monking for a team in mursaat territory that has warriors using frenzy, eles using firestorm, sins doing whatever and 3/4 of them are not infused?

That's more player stupidity than game difficulty. You should be infused before you take on Mursaat, or at least not fight very many before you are infused. If you are using frenzy, you should know when to use it and how to cancel it, firestorm, well, I've never had a problem monking for teams nuking with the new ai. Assassins? pah, easy to heal unless they are morons, and again, they should be infused against those mursaat. You can't blame game difficulty on player stupidity.

NeHoMaR

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

03 Feb 2007 at 11:06 - 189

And ... don't forget add an inherent effect to the Guardian title. Anyway, why not add inherent effects to ALL titles in game? I think the only purpose of showing title to others (or myself) is a thing of the past, at least for me. I LOVE, for example, the inherent effect of PvP titles adding 5.000 to B.faction max.

dj deviate

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

W/Mo

03 Feb 2007 at 11:40 - 190

guys dont knock it before its even out
yeah it sounds abit like diablos modes and WoW's modes but least there trying to add more play back
it gives a new challenge and as galie said its optional, it also gives us new titles to go for

the only downside i could possiblely see, is elitism is mission areas or ppl whining about how "its too hard"

for now i reserve judgement

Maxiemonster

There is no spoon.

Join Date: Jun 2005

Netherlands

Mo/

03 Feb 2007 at 11:46 - 191

I'm pretty sure you won't be able to do missions on hard mode when you don't have certain other qualities (like Protector of Elona already). I'm pretty sure you'll get decent teams for this quite quickly, and heroes pretty much made everything easy, I'm pretty sure I'll be doing most of these with heroes anyway.

seut

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Europa

03 Feb 2007 at 12:00 - 192

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maxiemonster

I'm pretty sure I'll be doing most of these with heroes anyway.

unless hard means: no heroes allowed

Fender

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ohio

XoO

03 Feb 2007 at 14:01 - 193

Maybe completing the guardian title should get you a 2nd amulet of the mists or book of secrets as well.

Hobbs

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

Organised Spam [OS]

W/

03 Feb 2007 at 14:44 - 194

Tbh, I wouldn't want another amulet/book. They were pretty crap greens.
I like the idea of having to have prot of X to do guardian of X. Also inherent abilites for all titles ftw, GMC=double speed, anyone?

Cherrie

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Echowald

Marked by [Fury]

Me/

03 Feb 2007 at 16:39 - 195

I just hope 'hard' wont mean 'irritating and frustrating like DoA'. Or I'll be one of the mesmers whinning noone wants me in party.

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

03 Feb 2007 at 16:53 - 196

If no heroes are allowed; Hard Mode will be a flop.

Why? We'll have people spread around 58 missions (57 if you don't count Augury Rock as a mission). Do you really think that there will be enough people for an all-human group in each area?

Myth Shaia

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2007

The Legion of the Dark Continent

Me/

03 Feb 2007 at 17:17 - 197

About time. Protector title is like the easiest title in the game to get - be it with players or H&H. Need something more challenging that doesn't require just specific builds to play like DOA - can we all say Mantra of Frost.

DOA is challenging but once you have the correct build and your teammates are all au faite with how things works, it's just time consuming really - as with all elite missions I suppose.

Hard mode can only add another dimension to the game. Sadly NF was too easy, even getting Grand Master Cartographer was too easy...damn Tyria! With all it's silly clipping problems, it is still a decent title to get there!

Wish they could address the 'survivor title' exploits though...that title has lost so much value. Oh well.

Let's all wait and see what Anet brings the pve world next!

ValaOfTheFens

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Warrior Nation[WN]

03 Feb 2007 at 17:49 - 198

A real Hard Mode would be the following:
-A 120% Death Penalty can be reached.
-Rez Signets don't recharge when you get a Moral Boost.
-Monsters will be at a higher level than usual and all will carry Rez Signet(I'm looking at you Roaring Ether!). If a Boss is surrounded by a mob it can be Rezzed.
-No modifiers would be applied to weapons, shields, or focus items. They would still be on the weapon but would have no effect in the mission.
-The bonus MUST be done to complete the mission.
-All Heroes and Henchmen would have an auto 15% Death Penalty.

Lawnmower

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/R

03 Feb 2007 at 18:44 - 199

no... hard mode:

-PERMA DEATH until completion of campaign.

-amazing rewards in the end.

Bankai

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Bubblegum Dragons

Mo/E

03 Feb 2007 at 19:05 - 200

Quote:

Originally Posted by ValaOfTheFens

A real Hard Mode would be the following:
-A 120% Death Penalty can be reached.
-Rez Signets don't recharge when you get a Moral Boost.
-Monsters will be at a higher level than usual and all will carry Rez Signet(I'm looking at you Roaring Ether!). If a Boss is surrounded by a mob it can be Rezzed.
-No modifiers would be applied to weapons, shields, or focus items. They would still be on the weapon but would have no effect in the mission.
-The bonus MUST be done to complete the mission.
-All Heroes and Henchmen would have an auto 15% Death Penalty.

How the hell can you have negative 20% health?