Hard mode?
Red_Dragon56
I would love it if it was just monsters levels are doubled. Or maybe all monsters are +20 levels higher. Just think of the first mission in proph with all those Char after you. That would give you reason to run.
GourangaPizza
I don't mind re-doing missions in hard mode, as long the monsters' drops, chest drops or experience gained from monster killing is better than it being in normal mode.
Kakumei
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Originally Posted by Sinister Aura
is anyone going to want to redo 58 missions ALL over again for a title they cherished getting the first time?
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infinity paradox
Anyone think this is ggoing to be an added deal to the mission, or just referring to Bonus/Masters?
boxterduke
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Originally Posted by cosyfiep
I for one dont like it one bit.....I have a few characters that are 1 or 2 missions away from the protector title....now they will have to go back and REDO ALL of the missions for that continent to get the title, while those that arlready have it dont......
  .....seems if this be the case, none of my characters will get the 'new' title....so the who givesaflyingratsbehind will now come into play on this title......aka it wasnt of much use before and I wont redo those missions just to get it when I had already done all but one ...... <sarcasm> good job anet. |
You donot have to go and redo these missions.
If they are adding this it will be for people who hunt these kind of titles, no need for you to blow up like you did.
King's Spectre
Mmm.. hell mode. *looks forward to gold colossal blades and hydra bows*
Lonesamurai
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Originally Posted by King's Spectre
Mmm.. hell mode. *looks forward to gold colossal blades and hydra bows*
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TideSwayer
I guess what has me the most excited about hard mode is that this is something ANet actually has to go back into earlier chapters and work on too. They'll actually have to do something for older chapters with this addition. Many additions seem like a "latest chapter only" thing.
Sounds like a cool idea, too.
Definitely seems like this was accidentally left in with the skill balance build though. If it isn't close, I can't see any reason why they'd hint at it this soon. To those who are upset that their already-Protector-titled characters don't appear to have access to hard mode, well I'm sure that's not ANet's intent. Most likely a bug.
Sounds like a cool idea, too.
Definitely seems like this was accidentally left in with the skill balance build though. If it isn't close, I can't see any reason why they'd hint at it this soon. To those who are upset that their already-Protector-titled characters don't appear to have access to hard mode, well I'm sure that's not ANet's intent. Most likely a bug.
Tarkin
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Originally Posted by Celestial_Kitsune
When you obtain Guardian of Elona, you will have access to the new Elite Mission, Battle of Jahai 2: Return of the King. The main objective of this mission is to defeat Palawa Joko with some help from Turai Ossa
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mlandry
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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai
hydra bows???
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Clone
While you're working on the "hard mode" updates, could you please take a few weeks to bundle in an auction house with it? People have only been asking for that since the first chapter.
Cebe
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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
I don't know, not for a while, but not too long, either. I will check on that and hope to have a more defined answer this week.
It will be cool, folks. It will be optional. Nobody's titles will be devalued, not at all. And no one--no one!--is being forced to participate! |
Perhaps this can't be confirmed yet but I'll be watching this space closely.
I mean, Thunderhead Keep + Hard Mode = Uber Entertainment! But having to do, ugh, Jennur's Horde AGAIN on an even HARDER setting...really...please don't make me go there!!
Nira Vi
So, The Burning Crusade is released, and with it Heroic (hard) Mode for dungeons. A few weeks later, now Guild Wars as well... copycats ftw
Seriously though, I don't really mind. Will be interesting to see what they can do to squeeze something "new" out of the old stuff
Seriously though, I don't really mind. Will be interesting to see what they can do to squeeze something "new" out of the old stuff
Fender
I just hope this isn't just shorter timers, stupid environmental effects or just boosting all the mob levels to 28.
Better mob AI and skill bars and a slight level boost and some new secondary objectives would be fine by me.
Better mob AI and skill bars and a slight level boost and some new secondary objectives would be fine by me.
BigDave
I'm really looking forward to this. I LOVE PvE but I must admit it's far too easy for experienced players. I can't think of a single standard mission that I can't hero/hench to masters first attempt simply by setting up the right builds on my heroes. The final areas of the game should be a real challenge, but they're not as hard as i think they should be.
This would provide an optional challenge to those who don't want to be limited to only a few elite areas in the game currently. But i can imagine finding a PUG good enough to get the job done may be even harder than the mission itself.
This would provide an optional challenge to those who don't want to be limited to only a few elite areas in the game currently. But i can imagine finding a PUG good enough to get the job done may be even harder than the mission itself.
Bankai
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Originally Posted by Stixxx
They mentioned it on the update page on Guildwiki tho.
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onerabbit
LFP-Gates of Maddnes..Hard Mode :P
every foe has double health..double armour and double dmg :P
every foe has double health..double armour and double dmg :P
Cebe
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Originally Posted by onerabbit
LFP-Gates of Maddnes..Hard Mode :P
every foe has double health..double armour and double dmg :P |
All lvl 0 corsairs are now lvl 31 Shiros...
Katari
I honestly hope that they do something interesting, like give mobs real skillbars, and make an attempt to buff the AI, instead of making the whole game have a DoA-style Hard Mode. It would be nice if it didn't require 'tanks' and careful agro mnagment.
TheRaven
Hmmm, this should be interesting and I like the idea of spicing up old missions.
I wonder how they are going to handle "mixed groups" though. By this I mean folks that are still playing thru the game for the first time and get into a mission town with folks who are there mainly for "hard mode". Perhaps the changes will be something that would be transparent for mixed groups.
Here's some theories that haven't been mentioned yet (I think)
- 6 Skill bar
- Must kill every single enemy in mission area. If you do, it counts as "hard mode" completed.
- Absolutely no deaths allowed. Play thru mission as normal. If anyone on your team dies, you complete mission as normal (or fail mission, possibly), however if no deaths occur then it counts as "hard mode" completed.
I don't know what A-net plans for hard mode, but hopefully it will be something that will allow first-timers ("just get me past this mission!!!!") to mix with the hard mode seekers.
I wonder how they are going to handle "mixed groups" though. By this I mean folks that are still playing thru the game for the first time and get into a mission town with folks who are there mainly for "hard mode". Perhaps the changes will be something that would be transparent for mixed groups.
Here's some theories that haven't been mentioned yet (I think)
- 6 Skill bar
- Must kill every single enemy in mission area. If you do, it counts as "hard mode" completed.
- Absolutely no deaths allowed. Play thru mission as normal. If anyone on your team dies, you complete mission as normal (or fail mission, possibly), however if no deaths occur then it counts as "hard mode" completed.
I don't know what A-net plans for hard mode, but hopefully it will be something that will allow first-timers ("just get me past this mission!!!!") to mix with the hard mode seekers.
idicious
DoA on Hard Mode, I shudder at the thought...... RoT will be challanging enough (I know lots of people who are stuck at Gate of Madness for ages because there are simply no people there or no people willing to actually spend time getting a decent group together, Imagine the trouble finding a group capable of attempting the hard mode... I really hope it will be DoA like :-D Will the the game a nice challange ;-)
Cebe
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Originally Posted by idicious
RoT will be challanging enough (I know lots of people who are stuck at Gate of Madness for ages because there are simply no people there or no people willing to actually spend time getting a decent group together, Imagine the trouble finding a group capable of attempting the hard mode...
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Ishmaeel
I hope they introduce something like "Hard Mode District"s. It would be too painful if the hard mode entailed something like marking a checkbox before entering missions. I'm thinking about what has been mentioned as "mixed group"s.
linh
Hard Mode makes you do mission with Mending Wamo, Touchers, Echo Flare, Fast Cast Healer, Critical Minion Master, Vengeance Mending Bonder Monk, and you can't choose your skillbar.
Lonesamurai
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Originally Posted by mlandry
Diablo2 items, hell mode in reference to D2 also
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Keithark
YEA!!!!!!
One of the best ideas I have seen in the game. I hate to see so many PvE'rs crying about it though, makes me think I am on a PvP msg board
One of the best ideas I have seen in the game. I hate to see so many PvE'rs crying about it though, makes me think I am on a PvP msg board
Pan Head
ok i am at work and dont have time to read all the thread. But what i would like to know is. Will a character that you already have that has completed the title be able to complete this title as well. I have My fav man that i have used since the begining of Guild wars time and i want him to be able to get it for him. He has a massive list of title and would like to get them all for him. (title freak ) I dont like it when they start a new title and you cant git it because youare to far along in the game to get it.
) I dont like it when they start a new title and you cant git it because youare to far along in the game to get it.
cosyfiep
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Originally Posted by boxterduke
wow relax man, your health.
You donot have to go and redo these missions. If they are adding this it will be for people who hunt these kind of titles, no need for you to blow up like you did. |
I'm a lady and my health is not an issue......the issue is they are trying to devalue a title that some of my characters have had a tough time getting (and for the guy who says we arent playing correctly if we dont have masters on all missions......try doing it with JUST pugs and see how it goes)....and I am one of those title hunters too.
I wish they would fix some of the problems as has been said instead of trying to fix unbroken things......I dont think that that many people will rush to ascalon to redo the northern wall on hard mode-----and those that do will do it quickly and then we are back to where we are......those people who had the protector title now have the guardian title and ascalon will be empty again except for sellers.......
and it still makes me mad
FoxBat
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Originally Posted by linh
Hard Mode makes you do mission with Mending Wamo, Touchers, Echo Flare, Fast Cast Healer, Critical Minion Master, Vengeance Mending Bonder Monk, and you can't choose your skillbar.
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TheRaven
Hey! I know!
Complete all prophecies missions with only the skills that were provided during the snowball arena fights!
Complete all prophecies missions with only the skills that were provided during the snowball arena fights!
brokenmonkey
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Originally Posted by Nira Vi
So, The Burning Crusade is released, and with it Heroic (hard) Mode for dungeons. A few weeks later, now Guild Wars as well... copycats ftw
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If you are just gonna say stupid things like this, I don't think you deserve to play Guild Wars and you don't need to be on these forums, don't be an @s$, good day sir.
Myria
I can see the advertising now -- "Come enjoy our new 'Hard Mode', where the whole game becomes DoA!".
Yep, that's the ticket...
No doubt hard mode will be a final thrust of the stake into the heart of any remaining multiplayer aspect of the game -- you can only go into missions with your three heroes, and good bloody luck dealing with those level 49 mobs... Bwahahahah!
Kinda makes you wonder, don't it? You save the world at least three times and you still can't manage to get over level 20. Yet run-of-the-mill monsters keep getting to higher and higher levels. Clearly evil does pay, how does one quit this chicken outfit and join up with the dark side?
Yep, that's the ticket...
No doubt hard mode will be a final thrust of the stake into the heart of any remaining multiplayer aspect of the game -- you can only go into missions with your three heroes, and good bloody luck dealing with those level 49 mobs... Bwahahahah!
Kinda makes you wonder, don't it? You save the world at least three times and you still can't manage to get over level 20. Yet run-of-the-mill monsters keep getting to higher and higher levels. Clearly evil does pay, how does one quit this chicken outfit and join up with the dark side?
FoxBat
They did copy WoW because they were playing it half the time. Not that "hard mode" is something that's never been done before in games. Meanwhile Burning Crusade made a new PvP modes that copy GW's PvP right down to shrine capping mechanics, so guess what the Blizzard devs are playing.
ChaoticCoyote
I don't hold out much hope for an intelligent "hard mode."
I base my low expectations on ANet's existing practices. DoA is a boring hack-and-slash slog; I can do it, have done it, and find it boring as heck. Sure, DoA is "hard", in the sense of "hard work." Fun, it is not. I doubt more than a very, very tiny minority of the popuation plays in DoA, simply because it is often empty.
Forcing people to use PuGs will mean I have no interest in "hard mode", given the paucity of good players available in many areas for playing "normal" missions. Heroes have *SAVED* many mission areas by eliminating the need to spam "GLF" for hours on end.
What would I like to see? Revisions to the missions, adding additional objectives and monsters with complete skill bars and secondary professions. Better rewards for more challenge.
What we'll get, though, and level 28 Charr in Surmia.
Pessimism? No. Just look at how ANet has increased "challenge" in the current game.
I base my low expectations on ANet's existing practices. DoA is a boring hack-and-slash slog; I can do it, have done it, and find it boring as heck. Sure, DoA is "hard", in the sense of "hard work." Fun, it is not. I doubt more than a very, very tiny minority of the popuation plays in DoA, simply because it is often empty.
Forcing people to use PuGs will mean I have no interest in "hard mode", given the paucity of good players available in many areas for playing "normal" missions. Heroes have *SAVED* many mission areas by eliminating the need to spam "GLF" for hours on end.
What would I like to see? Revisions to the missions, adding additional objectives and monsters with complete skill bars and secondary professions. Better rewards for more challenge.
What we'll get, though, and level 28 Charr in Surmia.
Pessimism? No. Just look at how ANet has increased "challenge" in the current game.
Missmelady
Whats that mode in diablo 2 u can play after u beat the game? Where if u die u have to delete the char to remake cause u cant play him again. Could this "Hard" mode be related somewhat to that. I mean most likely not like that because of the survivor title but could they co-interact with each other to max out 2 tittles at once. Or is this "Hard" mode going to be the 3 titan source quests in prop and the 2 eleite missions in factions, and doa in nightfall. Could it be possible for them to just be adding those to the list as "Hard" mode missions.
zwei2stein
Well, hard mode has some potential, i just really and sincerely hope that anet learned from DoA hate and hard mode wont be just some cheap stuff like adding timer to mission and making every mob to L28 with double damage.
People already posted several nice ideas (skillbars with 6 skills, no deaths allowed ...)
To illustrate:
Variety is key for challenge ... ramping up dificulty only suceeds in making it frustrating and thus unplayed:
(i couldnt resist making this table)
People already posted several nice ideas (skillbars with 6 skills, no deaths allowed ...)
To illustrate:
Variety is key for challenge ... ramping up dificulty only suceeds in making it frustrating and thus unplayed:
(i couldnt resist making this table)
Ouchie
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Originally Posted by Sinister Aura
first off
25 missions in tyria 13 in cantha 20 in elona is anyone going to want to redo 58 missions ALL over again for a title they cherished getting the first time? |
Lonesamurai
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
Well, hard mode has some potential, i just really and sincerely hope that anet learned from DoA hate and hard mode wont be just some cheap stuff like adding timer to mission and making every mob to L28 with double damage.
People already posted several nice ideas (skillbars with 6 skills, no deaths allowed ...) To illustrate: Variety is key for challenge ... ramping up dificulty only suceeds in making it frustrating and thus unplayed: (i couldnt resist making this table) |
Hobbs
I'm currently working on my Protector titles 1&3, decided against factions as I foudn the timed missions boring. Whilst "hard mode" would be quite fun, what i'm worried about is missions like THK and Gate od Madness becoming impossible on hard without a group of very exp players/voice chat group. I don't wanna have to wait ages and spend a lot of time doing overly hard missions which aren't fun because every group you're in fails at it. However I think I would go for Guardian even if Protector stayed max as it would be a challenge and i'd still have my KoaBD
Marth Reynolds
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Originally Posted by ChaoticCoyote
Pessimism? No. Just look at how ANet has increased "challenge" in the current game.
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I do like a challenge, but dislike it when someone says: hmm let's make a challenge ow jeah double dmg dmg here and there etc.
It all comes down to what anet makes of it, and if they make similair to DOA, then it will not atract to much attention or generate fun challenges