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[Dev update] Games Changes & Design Team Update
Big_Iron
Give them time.
MSecorsky
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Originally Posted by Redfeather1975
I don't think it's a buff they had in mind.
Probably changes that would give a mesmer more types of useful roles in PVE. |
Hmm... what types of roles... gods, I hope it's not a generic damage dealer. No finesse, no elegance there. It's more fun when the enemies actions result in their own pain.
Of course, then there's massive degen. I brought Conjure Nightmare and Conjure Phantasm to Aspenwood for gits and shiggles (mixed into a Clumsiness/Ineptitude blend)... it was humorous. But I digress.
sindex
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Originally Posted by WoodyDotNet
It's not even noon and the West coast yet. Besides, everyone knows developers don't start their day until about 10 AM.
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Free Runner
I'll take a late update over a major glitched out update anyday.
Darcy
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Originally Posted by Feminist Terrorist
Minipets roaring in towns, great. I'll be sticking even more to the smaller, less populated towns.
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There will be no place without minis.
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And to Gaile - please remind the devs that most of the screaming about "nerfed" mesmer skills comes from players using mesmer as secondary. I don't have any problem in PvE with my mesmer. Once you are past the 4-person party area, I have had no problem getting into a group.
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@Redfeather1975 - what do you mean by a "useful" role in PvE. What do you call making the other party members think they are uber players? There is nothing ANet can change that will make non-mesmers understand the benefits of the profession or what we do.
ANet should make skills tied to Fast Casting if they want to boost mesmer without benefiting the x/Me group.
Former Ruling
1) Challenge Missions - Yawn. Excuse to get people to play these missions maybe? Now the only ones even touched are the ones that give armor peices, and then very rarely anymore.
2) Will be interesting for all of 30mins the first night its out.
3) Great update, but really doesn't effect me since I save my password anyway.
4) Waiting to see how much "improvement" this is before I comment.
5) New and improved meaning what? That they aren't 30 seconds long (both consist of going right outside of town and killing 1 mob group)?, or the monsters will be nerfed to be more in line with the levels of the area, or what?
6) Event might be cool. I probably won't do much in it, but it might be cool.
7) Skill Updates that happened last patch: If I remember correctly all you really did was Bro-Rape "Incoming!" and make another attempt at changing Grenth without having to touch its effect.
8) You mean have them be something else other than Spear Chunking Go for the Eyes spammers? Thats hard to do without reintroducing the problem they cause in pairs or more.
9) Mesmers will never be all around greatly used PvE characters. They are too much designed to shutdown/deny/otherwise annoy an opponent, and these things just aren't the style of PvE where 9 times outta 10 its just more effective to kill the enemy than try to shut it down. I say if you want Mesmers used, design areas that play to Mesmer's expertise - areas that cry for a mesmer to be brought along instead of the current fashion where "harder" just equals more and higher lvl'ed monsters to bash.
10) Bow skills, I'll see these changes before I comment
11) Early stages on Test servers...hmmm...That might mean the next chapter will be out before we see this
Even if thats not so - I just hope this update isn't coupled with a complete destruction of the Beastmastery line. Izzy when asked about Pet Controls in an interview months ago said that the skills look good now as a balance to the problems in Pet AI (IE: Pets suck so we gave their attacks High +Dmg and everything) and any update to make pets easier to contorl would likely be coupled with nerfs to these beforementioned better skills.
2) Will be interesting for all of 30mins the first night its out.
3) Great update, but really doesn't effect me since I save my password anyway.
4) Waiting to see how much "improvement" this is before I comment.
5) New and improved meaning what? That they aren't 30 seconds long (both consist of going right outside of town and killing 1 mob group)?, or the monsters will be nerfed to be more in line with the levels of the area, or what?
6) Event might be cool. I probably won't do much in it, but it might be cool.
7) Skill Updates that happened last patch: If I remember correctly all you really did was Bro-Rape "Incoming!" and make another attempt at changing Grenth without having to touch its effect.
8) You mean have them be something else other than Spear Chunking Go for the Eyes spammers? Thats hard to do without reintroducing the problem they cause in pairs or more.
9) Mesmers will never be all around greatly used PvE characters. They are too much designed to shutdown/deny/otherwise annoy an opponent, and these things just aren't the style of PvE where 9 times outta 10 its just more effective to kill the enemy than try to shut it down. I say if you want Mesmers used, design areas that play to Mesmer's expertise - areas that cry for a mesmer to be brought along instead of the current fashion where "harder" just equals more and higher lvl'ed monsters to bash.
10) Bow skills, I'll see these changes before I comment
11) Early stages on Test servers...hmmm...That might mean the next chapter will be out before we see this
Even if thats not so - I just hope this update isn't coupled with a complete destruction of the Beastmastery line. Izzy when asked about Pet Controls in an interview months ago said that the skills look good now as a balance to the problems in Pet AI (IE: Pets suck so we gave their attacks High +Dmg and everything) and any update to make pets easier to contorl would likely be coupled with nerfs to these beforementioned better skills.
Enix
In PvE, I would like to see increased and sustained AoE/spamability possabilities for Eles using something BESIDES Fire. Nobody wants an Air, Water, or Earth Ele in something like a Jade Deep or FoW party. Yes, I realize each line has it's specific benifits and consequences (Fire = burning, Air = armor pen, Water = slowing, Earth = wards & KD), but in PvE, everything Air, Water, or Earth does well is inconsequential if you have even moderate team balance.
Water - Has good AoE, but lacks in spamage. Drastically reduce hex duration and reduce recharge time/energy cost?
Air - Good spammage, but severly lacks AoE and sustainability. Air is good versus 1 target, provided it isnt killed by the rest of your team before you get your second spell off. IF you were standing NEXT to someone struck by lightning, you would be hit too! It is ELECTRICITY after all. Add adjacent effect to low cost, nearby to high cost?
Earth - Better with Sandstorm, but possible scatter caused is unacceptable in PvE. Needs more AoE, spamability, less cooldown and exhaustion. Comon, Meteor Shower is at least 3 times better than Earthquake in PvE.
In PvE, people WANT AoE, high-damage eles; therefore they want fire eles.
Water - Has good AoE, but lacks in spamage. Drastically reduce hex duration and reduce recharge time/energy cost?
Air - Good spammage, but severly lacks AoE and sustainability. Air is good versus 1 target, provided it isnt killed by the rest of your team before you get your second spell off. IF you were standing NEXT to someone struck by lightning, you would be hit too! It is ELECTRICITY after all. Add adjacent effect to low cost, nearby to high cost?
Earth - Better with Sandstorm, but possible scatter caused is unacceptable in PvE. Needs more AoE, spamability, less cooldown and exhaustion. Comon, Meteor Shower is at least 3 times better than Earthquake in PvE.
In PvE, people WANT AoE, high-damage eles; therefore they want fire eles.
Zehnchu
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With only 20 at a time allowed to be in use, I think a lot of the outposts will be full of people hanging around showing off their minis.
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W T S mini (insert name) come see it walking around 100k+999 ecto
So for everyone else trying to show off their mini pet are sol.
Redfeather1975
I had a mini pet once.
I had to put it down for not going on the newspaper.
I had to put it down for not going on the newspaper.
ericdanie
I'm gonna cry, pet controls are actually something that may come in the future, really didn't expect that, plus many of these mentioned updates. Good job.
Alleji
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Originally Posted by XvArchonvX
Personally, something that has been overlooked WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too long is a party window for minions so that MM can actually target individual minions. There were some skills released that were meant to help make minion bombing a legitamate strategy, but as it stands now, what holds back a minion bomber isn't their skills, but the royal pain in the ass that it is to actually target that minion for death nova.
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Clicking minions is part of the skill of playing a minion bomber.
Ensign
I'm interested to see how they address Mesmer usefulness in PvE, without breaking things messily in PvP.
With a few exceptions, PvE monsters have the same amount of energy a comparable player would have. I've been playing a Mind Blaster, I'm very familiar with the energy capacities and expenditures of monsters in a lot of zones now. *grins* But seriously, they aren't cheating on energy in ways you don't know about, they just do not use skills nearly as much as a player would and tend to die before they run out.
It being faster to kill an enemy than edenial it, however, is spot-on. I dislike Illusion Mesmers and degen in general for PvE because of it.
95% of the time, his bar will be: (Crippling Shot, Burning Arrow, Broad Head Arrow), Savage Shot, Distracting Shot, Apply Poison, Mending Touch, Natural Stride, Troll Unguent, Resurrection Signet, with Pin Down subbed in for one of the non-elites if Crippling Shot isn't used.
That happens to be a rundown of all of the good skirmish skills available to a Ranger in the game.
My guess: instead of buffing interesting skills, we're going to be seeing buffs to Power Shot and other skills that would encourage a Prepared Shot build. I think it's going to be very difficult for them to buff skills in a way that would discourage Barrage in PvE, but will have a more tractable (though non-trivial) task of adding interesting skills for PvP.
Peace,
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Originally Posted by Zinger314
Enemies have near-unlimited Energy in PvE. Plus it would be faster to kill an enemy than e-denial them.
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It being faster to kill an enemy than edenial it, however, is spot-on. I dislike Illusion Mesmers and degen in general for PvE because of it.
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Originally Posted by Almighty Zi
I'm assuming that what they mean by looking at bow ranger skills is to balance skills in such a way that we may see some diversity on PvP bow ranger bars. At the moment, if you see a bow ranger in a GvG match you could almost guarantee that he'll have at least 4 of the following skills on his bar: Apply Poison, Savage Shot, Distracting Shot, Natural Stride, Burning Arrow, Broadhead Arrow or Crippling Shot.
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That happens to be a rundown of all of the good skirmish skills available to a Ranger in the game.
My guess: instead of buffing interesting skills, we're going to be seeing buffs to Power Shot and other skills that would encourage a Prepared Shot build. I think it's going to be very difficult for them to buff skills in a way that would discourage Barrage in PvE, but will have a more tractable (though non-trivial) task of adding interesting skills for PvP.
Peace,
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Originally Posted by Alleji
Why not just have a button that when activated targets closest minion and activated "jagged bones, death nova, taste of death" for you?
Clicking minions is part of the skill of playing a minion bomber. Learn to play the game instead of whining about it. |
Bah. That could be said about just about any UI enhancement. Not saying I think it should be there or not, but your reply is a bit unnecessarily rude, don't you think?
Crystal Of Winter
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So, when will a walk function be implemented
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Originally Posted by Alleji
Why not just have a button that when activated targets closest minion and activates "jagged bones, death nova, taste of death" for you?
Clicking minions is part of the skill of playing a minion bomber. |
"brb"
"ok, is your macro on?"
"yeah"
"np, take your time. I think I'm gona take a nap."
Zinger314
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Originally Posted by Ensign
With a few exceptions, PvE monsters have the same amount of energy a comparable player would have. I've been playing a Mind Blaster, I'm very familiar with the energy capacities and expenditures of monsters in a lot of zones now. *grins* But seriously, they aren't cheating on energy in ways you don't know about, they just do not use skills nearly as much as a player would and tend to die before they run out.
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But in the meantime...It is now officially not the morning in PST. So I expect an ETA update, or I will be sad.
sindex
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Originally Posted by Ensign
(snip).....It being faster to kill an enemy than edenial it, however, is spot-on. I dislike Illusion Mesmers and degen in general for PvE because of it.....(snip)
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Sometimes certain versions of different strategies work better then others.
Psychic Watch
Curious about the status of:
- Weapon mod/inscription merchant
- Party Search screen updates (longer text, ability to list an entry while off doing quests, etc.)
- Weapon mod/inscription merchant
- Party Search screen updates (longer text, ability to list an entry while off doing quests, etc.)
Crystal Of Winter
lol when the update just loaded up, the 1st thing I hear in town is...
"yeah well I have 3 pets so ha"
"omg your pet is awsome!"
Let the e-peen commence ~_~
"yeah well I have 3 pets so ha"
"omg your pet is awsome!"
Let the e-peen commence ~_~
Calen The Civl
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Originally Posted by TheBaron82
Oh no, Balance is not about spiking one guy after another, but it's about pressuring the team? I found Balance spike is much more deadly than any of the one profession base team. And if people can "think" of a more skillful way to play, they probably can think of a build that works well against the current metagame.
GW and Magic are totally different. With your annalogies I could say that profession being the house color that you play in Magic and I dont recall they're limiting how many color per deck. Plus Magic failed at balancing their cards also, that's why they divide the cards into blocks. Even so there still exist overpowered cards and strategies. |
With the mesmer update, I would ideally like to see a major update to the mechanics of pve than to the mesmer class. While this most likely is not possible, I agree with many others that all creatures be reduced to level 20 but have more intelligent skill bars, teams, and ai. Bosses can retain their superpower status.
Retribution X
Gaile, Please please please tell those devs since mini's now go in outposts, that I want a shotgun I can shoot in outposts so I can have some quiet again?
What's the bow update? what is the pet update? Do I personally get to target my arrows? that would rock.
What's the bow update? what is the pet update? Do I personally get to target my arrows? that would rock.
Gli
Great...
Now I have to turn my friggin' sound off when I go to town. Please, please, please disable minipet sounds in town. This is by far the biggest annoyance I've ever encountered in almost 2 years of playing Guild Wars.
edit: Ha! someone beat me to the same complaint.
Now I have to turn my friggin' sound off when I go to town. Please, please, please disable minipet sounds in town. This is by far the biggest annoyance I've ever encountered in almost 2 years of playing Guild Wars.
edit: Ha! someone beat me to the same complaint.
Crystal Of Winter
Also, is it me or can't I click pre-saved builds to load anymore o.O
EDIT: Nevermind, had to click left of the window that pops up, which is kinda annoying xD
EDIT 2: note on the pet noises, yes very annoying with 10 kunnavangs(sp?) in town, you guys need to make a Option button in Sound settings to turn off pet noises :/
EDIT: Nevermind, had to click left of the window that pops up, which is kinda annoying xD
EDIT 2: note on the pet noises, yes very annoying with 10 kunnavangs(sp?) in town, you guys need to make a Option button in Sound settings to turn off pet noises :/
Randomway Ftw
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Ishmaeel
Changes to the Skills and Attributes panel are AWESOME! It's even better than previewing the selected skill's description while fiddling with the attribs. It previews ALL the skills that fit in the window. Click the small tab at the very bottom. I'm in love!
edit: You can't equip skills in description mode but whatever. I'm still in love.
edit again: It previews the skills you already have equipped. So be it. Still in love.
why double-post when you can.. edit: Templates window previews the whole build! Woot!
edit: You can't equip skills in description mode but whatever. I'm still in love.
edit again: It previews the skills you already have equipped. So be it. Still in love.
why double-post when you can.. edit: Templates window previews the whole build! Woot!
sindex
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lol when the update just loaded up, the 1st thing I hear in town is...
"yeah well I have 3 pets so ha" "omg your pet is awsome!" Let the e-peen commence ~_~ |
Chuckman Jones
Now that the minipets can be used in towns...Im guessing that their prices will skyrocket as to now they have an actual "use" in town.
Zeph
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Great...
Now I have to turn my friggin' sound off when I go to town. Please, please, please disable minipet sounds in town. This is by far the biggest annoyance I've ever encountered in almost 2 years of playing Guild Wars. |
Zinger314
An undocumented update is that when viewing templates, the skill/attribute information pops-up when hovered over. That's pretty nice.
sagilltwins
how do i change characters without logging out?
Monk Gsb
is it just me or does any one else think the new char switch thing is a bad idear ?
i know some one who had his account hacked and the hacker only managed to steal one char b4 he changed the pass, but with the update im thinking he was lucky he got hacked when he did, because i dont think he would have had much left if he was hacked now.
Anet, dont listen to the silly lazy ppl who cant be botherd to change a password, change this back !
hacker's on the rize
i know some one who had his account hacked and the hacker only managed to steal one char b4 he changed the pass, but with the update im thinking he was lucky he got hacked when he did, because i dont think he would have had much left if he was hacked now.
Anet, dont listen to the silly lazy ppl who cant be botherd to change a password, change this back !
hacker's on the rize
sindex
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how do i change characters without logging out?
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lg5000
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Originally Posted by Alleji
Why not just have a button that when activated targets closest minion and activates "jagged bones, death nova, taste of death" for you?
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SilentVex
I don't care how awesome these races are, no Dragon Arena = fail. That was by far the most fun (and balanced) form of pvp.
Also, the sounds from the retarded trolls and kunavangs (however you spell it) are really annoying in towns...
On a positive note, I absolutely love the skill window changes. Flipping sweet.
Also, the sounds from the retarded trolls and kunavangs (however you spell it) are really annoying in towns...
On a positive note, I absolutely love the skill window changes. Flipping sweet.
sagilltwins
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Originally Posted by sindex
It's already in there, and working fine. Just have to do the normal log out to do it.
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sindex
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Originally Posted by sagilltwins
where is it exactly?
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sagilltwins
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Originally Posted by sindex
While your in the game hit the menu tab then log out (or just hit the F12 key), and you should see it as an option.
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JoeKnowMo
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They better buff the offensive support of the paragon soon or I'll stop paying my monthly fee
Evilsod
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Originally Posted by Ensign
With a few exceptions, PvE monsters have the same amount of energy a comparable player would have. I've been playing a Mind Blaster, I'm very familiar with the energy capacities and expenditures of monsters in a lot of zones now. *grins* But seriously, they aren't cheating on energy in ways you don't know about, they just do not use skills nearly as much as a player would and tend to die before they run out.
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The Dragon Arena was the shittiest form of PvP i've ever played. It's worse than RA for christ sake.
I knew minipets in outposts would be a bad idea. Its times like these i'm glad i play without sound. Oh btw, my sunspear title is still broken, quite fixing things nobody gives a shit about to create more problems and do something useful please.
bhavv
My koabd title track no longer shows 2/5 for my two protector titles.
Is this intentional?
EDIT - OMG i just noticed about hard mode. Whoevers idea it was to implement this and pets in outposts is a freaking retard.
Is this intentional?
EDIT - OMG i just noticed about hard mode. Whoevers idea it was to implement this and pets in outposts is a freaking retard.