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Lex

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

14 Feb 2007 at 01:53 - 121

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warwulf

Minipets in town are a stupid idea. Last thing I want to do is go to a nice quiet town... and have to put up with the roar of a Kuunavang.

SIGNED!

This is not good change - I hate Kuna's sound in missions - now I will be able to hear him in outposts?

I want outposts to remain silent. I want to hear birds, wind... NO KUNA!

NO! Stop this really bad idea PLEASE

ikpt

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2007

14 Feb 2007 at 02:10 - 122

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Well, don't thank me, I'm just sharing with you guys. But hey, I guess it's nice that, if one person seems inclined always to shoot the messenger, someone else is kind enough to thank her.

The approach and letting us know what the Design Team is looking at, what they feel needs attention, is what I appreciate more than the actual changes coming. No specific ideas were revealed, but that's just fine, because in my opinion, if they're going to at least let us know what is currently on the plate, so to speak, then perhaps the community might feel more involved if a suggestion gets put out in response to your post (I believe there's a new pve-mesmer thread on these forums already).

I don't know, I'm rambling now I'm sure, and I apologize. Thanks for the info, and thanks to the design team too!

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Originally Posted by TheBaron82

You're missing the point of how to fix things also. This mean no more necro spike, iway, ele spike, ranger spike etc. If they do this more people will complain because they can no longer play those builds.

Show me the rule in "Guild Wars Mechanics" in which a spike requires an obscene amount of a single profession to be efficient. You'll just have to wait until someone else posts some build which incorporates multiple professions and copy that new one, then.

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

14 Feb 2007 at 03:04 - 123

Hey, guys,

I just got word that I am passing along to all the Community Team members: We're going to postpone the build until tomorrow. It turns out that as dev team members were polishing the content of the update, they discovered a glitch that they had to fix today. That required the postponement of the update, which means a postponement of the opening of the Guild Wars Challenge Mission Ladder, too. The team has resolved the glitch, but is undertaking a small amount of final testing before updating the game.

So, that means we'll be rolling out the update tomorrow morning instead of tonight, and the Challenge Mission Ladder will go live at around the same time. As I know you already fully understand, it is our commitment to offer the best, most tested, and most polished game updates possible. So while it's disappointing that we won't have the update live tonight, the update is only about a half a day away. We ask for your understanding about the matter. You can be sure we'll be here, and in all the fan forums, reading your feedback now and thoughout the coming days, as always.

Oh and lastly: This is completely off topic, but I don't want to double post: If you're curious about the look of the Canthan New Year items, we updated our Canthan New Year's Festival page with the images. I don't know about you, but I think they're about the cutest item icons we've had yet.

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

14 Feb 2007 at 03:09 - 124

Just a point of comment, I'll be available in the morning (thanks Gaile, and East Coast snow) to try to set a record for the Challenge Missions. Message me in-game (Syria Blackblood) if you want to attempt to see what the ladder is all about.

bilwit

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

Merc Works

Me/

14 Feb 2007 at 03:15 - 125

Mesmers in PvE? I don't see all that much they can do, as they killed Spiritual Pain and reduced E-Surge a little (the two being the most predominant PvE mesmer skills, due to the fact that 90% of the time in PvE damage is the only thing that matters, ie "why energy drain him when you can nuke him to death in 2 seconds"). Even if they do somehow accomplish a mesmer usefulness, they can't fight the longly embedded class discrimination among the players

Lets Get to Healing

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

You want see?

True Gods of War [True]

Mo/W

14 Feb 2007 at 03:17 - 126

Trust me, I'm a HUGE supporter of Anet, and not that I mind (too much), but don't they ALWAYS seem late?

The Ernada

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

14 Feb 2007 at 03:18 - 127

They're always late because they actually care about the quality of their work.

Redfeather1975

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Apartment#306

Rhedd Asylum

Me/

14 Feb 2007 at 03:20 - 128

Quote:

Originally Posted by bilwit

Mesmers in PvE? I don't see all that much they can do, as they killed Spiritual Pain and reduced E-Surge a little (the two being the most predominant PvE mesmer skills, due to the fact that 90% of the time in PvE damage is the only thing that matters, ie "why energy drain him when you can nuke him to death in 2 seconds"). Even if they do somehow accomplish a mesmer usefulness, they can't fight the longly embedded class discrimination among the players

It might be possible that a mesmer could be tweaked to offer more group support. Several spells could be castable on allies, such as Lyssa's Aura for example.
Also mobs bunch up in PvE, but players don't often bunch up in PvP, so it might be possible to tweak some mesmer skills so that if the target meets the skills condition, the affect could also be applied to all 'adjacent' foes. That would make many mesmer skills more useful in PvE, yet hardly affect PvP use.
But to be honest I would be very pleased for the profession to be given a strong PvE support role option. It's quite possible that PUGs would want a mesmer more if the profession can cast several of it's spells on allies as well, such as a spell that augments an allies' evasion, or even casting speed.

dargon

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: May 2005

The Seraphim Knights [TSK]

R/

14 Feb 2007 at 03:21 - 129

Quote:

Originally Posted by bilwit

Mesmers in PvE? I don't see all that much they can do, as they killed Spiritual Pain and reduced E-Surge a little (the two being the most predominant PvE mesmer skills, due to the fact that 90% of the time in PvE damage is the only thing that matters, ie "why energy drain him when you can nuke him to death in 2 seconds"). Even if they do somehow accomplish a mesmer usefulness, they can't fight the longly embedded class discrimination among the players

I'm quite fond of my Enchanters Conundrum + Shatter Delusions spike for 175 points of unblockable damage (unless the target is enchanted, and then you just shatter that first for even more damage

)

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

14 Feb 2007 at 03:36 - 130

[QUOTE]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lets Get to Healing

Trust me, I'm a HUGE supporter of Anet, and not that I mind (too much), but don't they ALWAYS seem late?[/QUOTE]

they are not late you are just wrong.

she said it might be tomorrow

Quote:

Just an timeline update on the update:

The team is working on a little tweak that they need to make, and I believe that we're still on track to roll the build today. I cannot estimate an hour just now, and if it gets too late, well, it'll go tomorrow. Now, don't make me regret the sneakpeek by getting impatient on me, it's coming!
__________________
Gaile Gray
Community Relations Manager
ArenaNet

EatMoreCarbs

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

NJ, USA

Dragons Will Eat Your [Face]

R/Mo

14 Feb 2007 at 03:41 - 131

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lets Get to Healing

Trust me, I'm a HUGE supporter of Anet, and not that I mind (too much), but don't they ALWAYS seem late?

Well, there was no set release. Just Gaile filling us in on an update the probably will/woudve came today. She was just giving us a heads up on the update, and what it will contain. (Since its not on www.guildwars.com) By the way, Great job Anet for implementing this update that wasnt neccesary, but very much cool anyway. Always great to know the devs are working hard to improve GW even more.

TLLOTS

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

14 Feb 2007 at 03:56 - 132

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lets Get to Healing

Trust me, I'm a HUGE supporter of Anet, and not that I mind (too much), but don't they ALWAYS seem late?

Nah, they're never late; the people at ANet are just optimists

CDittric77

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

A Famous Small Town in PA

Saints of Avalon

R/Mo

14 Feb 2007 at 04:17 - 133

Thanks for the update, Gaile, and for the people complaining about 'late' updates, I'm willing to bet you're also the folks complaining about software that ships too early because it's 'buggy'. You can't have your cake and eat it too!

Lets Get to Healing

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

You want see?

True Gods of War [True]

Mo/W

14 Feb 2007 at 04:19 - 134

[QUOTE=Loviatar]

Quote:

they are not late you are just wrong.

she said it might be tomorrow

Damn you got me.

p

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Hey, guys,

I just got word that I am passing along to all the Community Team members: We're going to postpone the build until tomorrow. It turns out that as dev team members wereolishing the content of the update, they discovered a glitch that they had to fix today. That required the postponement of the update, which means a postponement of the opening of the Guild Wars Challenge Mission Ladder, too. The team has resolved the glitch, but is undertaking a small amount of final testing before updating the game.

How could I ever EVER think I was right?

ElinoraNeSangre

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Near Seattle, WA

Talionis De Cineris [EXUR]

N/Me

14 Feb 2007 at 04:25 - 135

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDittric77

Thanks for the update, Gaile, and for the people complaining about 'late' updates, I'm willing to bet you're also the folks complaining about software that ships too early because it's 'buggy'. You can't have your cake and eat it too!

I work in software and I can tell you: some people are never happy, and you can never make EVERYONE happy. It's one of the perils of the industry I think.

But it's also human nature sometimes to want the cake and eat it, too.

-kelkel

Dex

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Chicago, IL

Black Belt Jones

R/Me

14 Feb 2007 at 04:44 - 136

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lets Get to Healing

Trust me, I'm a HUGE supporter of Anet, and not that I mind (too much), but don't they ALWAYS seem late?

Ha! People say things like this about every game company on every forum for every game. Most software projects have floating due dates, and when they don't, they miss their target dates half the time...sometimes early sometimes late. Software development and testing can be unpredictable...many companies don't even set hard release dates when they have a choice in the matter.

They're not late. It'll be done when it's done. Would you like to work a ton of overtime just to satisfy some impatient fans?

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

14 Feb 2007 at 04:54 - 137

I really appreciate your understanding. We love sharing the sneakpeeks, and yes, sometimes we're not 100% sure of the exact timeline for the release of an update. As long as you're understanding that we're committed to quality, and that we'll hold in order to show exceptional care of what we're working on, we'll continue to share what we're planning, and we'll roll it when it's fully ready!

Destined to Chaos

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Dec 2005

UK

Time of Chaos

E/R

14 Feb 2007 at 05:02 - 138

Rafal quote ""I want outposts to remain silent.""

I always think anything that makes the game seem more realistic is best.

Having a mini pet that can only be brought out in missions was always stupid..i mean what, you see a town coming up and shove your pet into a box??
To want the outposts to remain silent is just weird...Outposts should be bustling with the sounds of market trading, discussion and general town style noises...certainly not silence!!
This gos half way to making a town seem more of a communtiy and less of a Ghost town imo.

Excellent update Anet
Thx for the info Gaile i appreciate your headup always..and thank you for your efforts... ohh and iam not impatient like some folks..More wait = more excitment for the rollout.

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

14 Feb 2007 at 05:05 - 139

I'm with you on the bustle thing, myself. I remember a game I played, years ago, where as you approached a town you heard a sort of "murmur" of noise, as of a crowd talking. It wasn't offensive, it was really quite soft in volumn, but it gave the towns a feeling of life and vibrancy about them.

And if someone wants to trot out his troll, I'll trot out my Kuunivang and they can have a chorus!

Calen The Civl

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2006

Rt/

14 Feb 2007 at 05:17 - 140

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBaron82

You're missing the point of how to fix things also. This mean no more necro spike, iway, ele spike, ranger spike etc. If they do this more people will complain because they can no longer play those builds.

This would also hamper pve builds such as b/p etc.

That said, I rather like the idea. Or at least the idea of limiting the amount of a certain skill across the entire party. (Limiting classes would be easier most likely) It would force people to either think about more skillful ways to play then just spiking one target after another or just barraging things to death.

Granted, people would whine, but I compare Guild Wars often to Magic: the Gathering in its functions. Card games always have limits on the amount of cards in a deck that are allowable to prevent exploitation. As things stand now, stacking skills or classes leads to exploitation in ways that could easily be fixed like in those card games.

This, in turn, would reduce all the analyzing and balancing Anet currently has the invest time in. This would then free up more dev time for other features.

Thanks for the updates, Anet. I look forward to another festival and other features.

Shadowfox1125

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2005

PST

W/

14 Feb 2007 at 05:17 - 141

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

You can now log out to the character selection screen, instead of the log-in screen. No need to enter a password every time you change characters.

Thank you...

Deleet

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

Denmark

Rule Thirty Four [prOn]

Mo/

14 Feb 2007 at 05:22 - 142

Some thoughs of mine:

* The more information released by ANet the better, get out of the politician role and show some guts. You're moving in the right direction, thanks!

* Pet control, finally, much appreciated by some PvE players and I guess and of course IWAY, who get to sacrifice the pet easier?

* Good balances with the Paragon, although, it's my opinion that ANet is mostly doing the one type of changes that people hate, reductions. Please balance those 60% of the skills we never use and you're see a live and creative community.

Feminist Terrorist

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Oh Noes! The 'burbs!

14 Feb 2007 at 05:43 - 143

Thanks for the updates Gaile, it's most appreciated.

Minipets roaring in towns, great. I'll be sticking even more to the smaller, less populated towns. I really feel sorry for those on slow connections as seeing minipets in addition to the population already there will tax their connections and make the game run slower.

Turol

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2006

Order of First

W/Me

14 Feb 2007 at 05:46 - 144

It is pleasing to see and be part of a game that changes with the populous and their wants. Thank you ANet and Thank you Gaile Gray!

Savio

Teenager with attitude

Join Date: Jul 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

14 Feb 2007 at 05:52 - 145

What's the point of a Challenge Mission ladder when Remains of Sahlahja and Shadow Nexus still favor certain players over others - more specifically, necros and Lightbringers respectively?

Orinn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Defiant Dragons

14 Feb 2007 at 05:52 - 146

First, thanks to Gaile and the devs. The stuff in the works sounds incredible, the stuff that's coming witht he new build, at the very least interesting, and the fact that you include the community in the process, even to the point of explaining why you decided to make certain changes, is just unbelievably great of you.

There are still a few things that the community has been waiting for, including the spearmarshal title, improved trade system, and possibly improving the acquisition of the only Ritualist hero in the game. i hope you find the time to comment on those sometime soon.

Pet controls? I immediately told one of my friends about that, one of the thigns I've been wanting to see forever! Log out to character select? a minor chance, but something that is just nice to have, and convenient when we're swapping things from our mules. I really want to see what's up your sleeve for making mesmers more effective in PvE (Killing the "half hex duration" special was a good start, but double damage/half casting time is brutal) and I'm even optimistic about the review of bow attacks- I have a feeling there will be more buffs than nerfs coming out of that one.

tomcruisejr

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

14 Feb 2007 at 06:10 - 147

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

[*]We reduced the effectiveness of some Paragon defensive skills. In conjunction with the Paragon’s high armor, these skills were encouraging degenerate team builds.

I'm just wondering how the devs define "degenerate team builds".

daraaksii

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

14 Feb 2007 at 06:26 - 148

3x hip-hip-hurray ^^ Nice updates. But still, where is my hair stylist?

davicams

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

Guardians of the Catacombs [GoC]

R/

14 Feb 2007 at 06:44 - 149

now i want a leprachaun hat for st patricks day

ElinoraNeSangre

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Near Seattle, WA

Talionis De Cineris [EXUR]

N/Me

14 Feb 2007 at 06:49 - 150

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destined to Chaos

To want the outposts to remain silent is just weird...Outposts should be bustling with the sounds of market trading, discussion and general town style noises...certainly not silence!!
This gos half way to making a town seem more of a communtiy and less of a Ghost town imo.

If people don't like sound in towns, there are options to certain sounds off. Me, I love the chattery hum out in parts of Kaineng City - it made me feel like things were going on around me. There could certainly be lag concerns, however, but I don't know if we can judge how badly that'll be until it's there.

stuntharley

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Australia

Critical Chop [cC]

W/

14 Feb 2007 at 06:51 - 151

Good PvE options for Mesmers.

Yes I finally will have a reason to use my mesmer in pve

Pwny Ride

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

Aussieland

Prime Players Of [OSHA] ~ [dth] alliance. <3

Me/E

14 Feb 2007 at 07:01 - 152

So, when will a walk function be implemented

Iuris

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

Crazy ducks from the Forest

W/

14 Feb 2007 at 07:01 - 153

Quote:

Good PvE options for Mesmers

Wow, they DID pay attention to the discussions! Wonderful!

AZ DarkKnight

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2006

Beer Refugees [Wine]

R/

14 Feb 2007 at 07:15 - 154

As it appears you are reading the thread Gaile (if I may call you by your first name), please ANY info on the Sunspear Max Title?? Please???

Zedd Kun

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

The Bretheren Of Chaos [Dark]

Rt/

14 Feb 2007 at 07:35 - 155

When will this uptade come?

Makkert

Black Beast of Aarrrrgghh

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

The Biggyverse [PLEB] // Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

14 Feb 2007 at 07:45 - 156

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

You missed the problem of Paragons by a mile.

Paragons are (or should I say "were") balanced when there were only 1-2 in a group. The problem with Paragons is that they are only degenerate when there are 5-6 in a group.

Limiting to 3 per class per group in PvP would fix that easily without completely breaking a class for all other types of gameplay.

That is not the way to go about it. If there are uniform builds (builds evolving around a single thing), then there should be some viable counters among the skills. There are for example not that many viable counters against shouts atm...

XvArchonvX

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

R/

14 Feb 2007 at 08:01 - 157

*crosses fingers in hopes that ranger bow skills will get a much needed buff*

Stixxx

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

14 Feb 2007 at 08:25 - 158

Nice update, thx for the heads up Gaile!

n0str4

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Feb 2006

14 Feb 2007 at 08:35 - 159

THNX for the changes ... those little things make game more and more beautiful.

Still, I have one suggestion

.... maybe instead nerfing and nerfing skills you could buff the others ... PvP in GW eat sooo much time

and some of us are already workers, students etc

... buffing skills would make games faster

Anyway, thnx for great job

GW is one of the most relaxing games for me

Good luck with further changes

TheBaron82

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

14 Feb 2007 at 08:40 - 160

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calen The Civl

This would also hamper pve builds such as b/p etc.

That said, I rather like the idea. Or at least the idea of limiting the amount of a certain skill across the entire party. (Limiting classes would be easier most likely) It would force people to either think about more skillful ways to play then just spiking one target after another or just barraging things to death.

Granted, people would whine, but I compare Guild Wars often to Magic: the Gathering in its functions. Card games always have limits on the amount of cards in a deck that are allowable to prevent exploitation. As things stand now, stacking skills or classes leads to exploitation in ways that could easily be fixed like in those card games.[

This, in turn, would reduce all the analyzing and balancing Anet currently has the invest time in. This would then free up more dev time for other features.

Thanks for the updates, Anet. I look forward to another festival and other features.

Oh no, Balance is not about spiking one guy after another, but it's about pressuring the team? I found Balance spike is much more deadly than any of the one profession base team. And if people can "think" of a more skillful way to play, they probably can think of a build that works well against the current metagame.
GW and Magic are totally different. With your annalogies I could say that profession being the house color that you play in Magic and I dont recall they're limiting how many color per deck. Plus Magic failed at balancing their cards also, that's why they divide the cards into blocks. Even so there still exist overpowered cards and strategies.