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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia
I vote, make more places favour sided. Including the elite missions. Then perhaps people would stop whining and actually try win it.
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Dumbest Idea of the year.
Vote on PvP access control over PvE areas.
Stockholm
Dumbest Idea of the year.
Swift Thief
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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia
I vote, make more places favour sided. Including the elite missions. Then perhaps people would stop whining and actually try win it.
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Hyper Cutter
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Originally Posted by Swift Thief
Those Asian countries might as well be one territory, because Europe has England, France, Spain, Italy, the Netherlands, Sweden, Bulgaria, Germany, and probably others. I have no idea.
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ca_aok
Yeah, they do.
Silly Warrior
Winning HA should have benefits to the country that wins, but it shouldn't be Uw and FoW. Its a hard problem to solve, and either way Anet does it, its going to make alot of people mad.
I think taking away UW and FoW as being favored only would make them become "less special" especially if you could acess them 24/7.
Imagine being able to go to Uw/FoW any time you wanted? How special would they be then? They'd just be another area...and people would get more bored with them if this happened.
PvP should have some connection with PvE, afterall Guild Wars is based on a world just like ours. It be like having the Chinese and Mongolians trying to pretend one another didn't exist even though their countries are right next to one another.
PvP should influence PvE it makes the game slighty more immerse, and it makes it feel like a real world.
So I vote yes, because it should, the two shouldn't be totally cut off from one another. Anet just needs to find better ways of connecting the two together.
I think taking away UW and FoW as being favored only would make them become "less special" especially if you could acess them 24/7.
Imagine being able to go to Uw/FoW any time you wanted? How special would they be then? They'd just be another area...and people would get more bored with them if this happened.
PvP should have some connection with PvE, afterall Guild Wars is based on a world just like ours. It be like having the Chinese and Mongolians trying to pretend one another didn't exist even though their countries are right next to one another.
PvP should influence PvE it makes the game slighty more immerse, and it makes it feel like a real world.
So I vote yes, because it should, the two shouldn't be totally cut off from one another. Anet just needs to find better ways of connecting the two together.
Rene Saliere
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Originally Posted by Swift Thief
Let me put it this way. There are more European players than any other territory. It simply isn't fair. America only has the U.S, Canada, and maybe Mexico. Japan only has Japan, Taiwan only has Taiwan, and Korea is only North and South Korea. Those Asian countries might as well be one territory, because Europe has England, France, Spain, Italy, the Netherlands, Sweden, Bulgaria, Germany, and probably others. I have no idea.
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Many serious Heroes' Ascent players set their base server as the one with the highest population of successful Heroes' Ascent players because they want Fame.
All serious Ecto and Shard farmers set their base server as the one which has Favor most of the time.
In conclusion, players who want Fame or Favor badly enough are going to Europe. So, the original problem of certain servers having higher gaming populations than others is steadily worsened.
Racthoh
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Originally Posted by Hyper Cutter
I think Europe also has Australia for some reason...
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Originally Posted by Silly Warrior
Imagine being able to go to Uw/FoW any time you wanted? How special would they be then? They'd just be another area...and people would get more bored with them if this happened.
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Compare this to the elite missions. I've never entered Urgoz's Warren or The Deep since the faction grind was never appealing to me. I could always grab a ferry but I refuse to give into a system even more flawed than Favor of the Gods. Great idea, let's make an area that only 10 guilds at most have access to at a time. I guess the original hope was for users to be more outraged at the limited access of the elite missions than favor, but then players learned how to ferry so we could focus on how much we hate favor again.
DoA... I think I spent an afternoon in there, got annoyed, and quit. Was given the gems for Razah so I never had a reason to go back.
The only endgame content are the god realms or elite missions (to a lesser extent Challenge missions) aside from PvP. Given that it's the only form of endgame content that I've played and enjoyed, I highly doubt it would ever lose that 'special' feeling. They could remove shards and ecto, I'd still go in (prehaps limit the dropping of rare materials to having favor...).
Spoiler Kormir became a God, and we don't have to wait for favor to enter her realm.
How about this; instead of region changes you choose whether favor determines your access to elite missions or god realms. I'd have no objections to being denied access to the elite missions if it meant I could FoW/UW whenever I please.
Retribution X
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Originally Posted by Swift Thief
Let me put it this way. There are more European players than any other territory. It simply isn't fair. America only has the U.S, Canada, and maybe Mexico. Japan only has Japan, Taiwan only has Taiwan, and Korea is only North and South Korea. Those Asian countries might as well be one territory, because Europe has England, France, Spain, Italy, the Netherlands, Sweden, Bulgaria, Germany, and probably others. I have no idea.
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Taiwan, and Japan have a Miniscule player base, and have a massive disadvantage against Europe, and America.
Swift Thief
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Originally Posted by Racthoh
Spoiler Kormir became a God, and we don't have to wait for favor to enter her realm.
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lord_shar
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Originally Posted by Swift Thief
Since when did the Domain of Anguish belong to Kormir?
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***SPOILER***
The answer is part of the last mission cut-scene.
Lord Bishop Stone
No I dont think PvP should affect the PvE areas and I am happy that DoA is not afected by that and you only need to finish the missions to get there. I think that the party wishing to enter UW/FOW should have to gain favor of the the gods somehow almost like a hard endgame mission, if they can win the favor of the gods then they can enter ... have 5 random (1 for each god) areas all very different and all very hard, but not too time costly. Have it so the players never know which area they would get and if they beat that mission they gain favor of the gods then they can enter UW or FOW.
I am mostly a PvE player but enjoy PvP lots also but I dont like them being linked. I think keeping the statues and getting the blessings should remain the same but acess to UW or FOW should be open to all when they want to. It is hard to wait for hours to gain favor and then when you do get favor half the party has to leave cause of how late it is.
About the Deep and Urgoz - Our guild keeps a toon in both the Deep and Urgoz because many times it is hard to find a ferry. This way we can just map to the hall and then map back as long as the toon is the leader and all members have been there before. I think getting into those places should not be as it is now, it should be how many Kurz/Lux faction your char has if he has 8-10k faction then they allow him in if not then farm some faction to get there. Because as one person said before that a guild that wants to be a jerk about it can and did shut down the deep for over 2 months.
I am mostly a PvE player but enjoy PvP lots also but I dont like them being linked. I think keeping the statues and getting the blessings should remain the same but acess to UW or FOW should be open to all when they want to. It is hard to wait for hours to gain favor and then when you do get favor half the party has to leave cause of how late it is.
About the Deep and Urgoz - Our guild keeps a toon in both the Deep and Urgoz because many times it is hard to find a ferry. This way we can just map to the hall and then map back as long as the toon is the leader and all members have been there before. I think getting into those places should not be as it is now, it should be how many Kurz/Lux faction your char has if he has 8-10k faction then they allow him in if not then farm some faction to get there. Because as one person said before that a guild that wants to be a jerk about it can and did shut down the deep for over 2 months.
Shmanka
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Originally Posted by Silly Warrior
PvP should have some connection with PvE,
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Shmanka
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Originally Posted by Keithark
And the price of shards/ecto would be changed due to all the devil farmers is so stupid it is not even funny.
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Thermoblaze
let s say PvP is one world and PvE is another world so don t connect this 2 different wordls.
So my answer is No!
So my answer is No!
dopple
my vote is no
Rene Saliere
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Keithark
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Originally Posted by Shmanka
Do you people just fall from the sky not being able to read but write? This point has been debated to death, and it is incorrect.
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Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Keithark
What exactly do you believe to be incorrect about it? Do you think the price would fall a lot? If so then how would that adversely affect the game?
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TabascoSauce
I would like to add my vote to the "no" tally.
Thx!
TabascoSauce
Thx!
TabascoSauce
Keithark
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Rene has stated about 50 times in this thread that Dev's can control the prices and drop rates of anything.
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bobrath
I'm just guessing that Bryant and Keithark are on the same team... going for the same rebound....
Besides, regardless of the devs modifying the drop rate of ectos, there are more then enough "farmers" right now with multiple accounts (in the various regions which get favor) that I seriously doubt that an opening of UW/FoW to the "masses" would generate a sufficient surge in supply to really affect prices.
Besides, regardless of the devs modifying the drop rate of ectos, there are more then enough "farmers" right now with multiple accounts (in the various regions which get favor) that I seriously doubt that an opening of UW/FoW to the "masses" would generate a sufficient surge in supply to really affect prices.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Keithark
So he/she was agreeing with me then that opening to all would not have a big impact on price and that the arguement that opening access to all would cause a big problem with the economy is stupid then right?
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*learns to read*
Thomas.knbk
About the OP
Even though I don't do UW and FoW, it's kind of hard to grasp for me that the succes of other players should determine my gameplay experience. I know that I would be pretty pissed if I could only GvG if Europe farmed more ectos
I vote no on this issue
Even though I don't do UW and FoW, it's kind of hard to grasp for me that the succes of other players should determine my gameplay experience. I know that I would be pretty pissed if I could only GvG if Europe farmed more ectos
I vote no on this issue
Rene Saliere
Consume Chicken [CC] are doing what they can for America, but the Favor system still sucks. Time for a new poll on the Free Roaming idea Kate Soulguard had?
Bob Whills
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Originally Posted by Thomas.knbk
I know that I would be pretty pissed if I could only GvG if Europe farmed more ectos
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Also no. Nice idea but those who slave for favor (ha) aren't those who enjoying it (uw/fow).
Shmanka
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Originally Posted by Rene Saliere
Consume Chicken [CC] are doing what they can for America, but the Favor system still sucks. Time for a new poll on the Free Roaming idea Kate Soulguard had?
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Selket
Favour should reduce the entrance fee of UW/FoW and other related god things, but not be required to access said things.
Or the price should be increased 10x when one does not have favour.
Or the price should be increased 10x when one does not have favour.
Tarun
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Originally Posted by The Bloodrose
I vote No. But honestly this thread is useless. When has Anet ever listened to any of these threads? Shit they asked us Months ago is we wanted the skill hunter title broken up. The vote was a landslide Yes. Has anything been done about it? Nope. We probably wont find out that nothing was done till chapter 4 comes out.
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- Auction house? Been requested since Prophecies came out. Still nothing.
- Player merchants to ease selling? Nope, just the "Search" function. Which is so lame no one uses it for anything.
- Increased storage? Nope, just a "materials" tab that is useless since it has a 250 cap.
- Rollbacks to "fix" the economy. Now that was a joke itself. After the economy was supposedly going to "crash" because the rune traders were selling for default prices, about a week later a majority of the important runes still dropped in price. Look at Superior Absorption, it still hasn't recovered.
- New farming spots? Sure, they added these, only to nerf them after about approximately a month.
daraaksii
Yes! 2k/ectos? No thanks
Kashrlyyk
Maybe someone should ask Gaile Gray about the favour system, when she is online again? Or maybe she could answer in here?
Pompeyfan
No, access to PvE areas should be determined by PvE events. PvP should only affect access to PvP events.
Jaythen Tyradel
"Should PvP results affect access to PvE areas of the game?"
At this time since so much has changed..I would say No. PVP shouldnt affect PVE in regards to UW/FOW.
PVP, should IMO, still affect the gods blessings at shrines. Your nation has favor, your nation has the blessings of the gods.
At this time since so much has changed..I would say No. PVP shouldnt affect PVE in regards to UW/FOW.
PVP, should IMO, still affect the gods blessings at shrines. Your nation has favor, your nation has the blessings of the gods.
Vahn Roi
I don't mind the current method of favor...
Rene Saliere
Seeing as the all access weekend is coming up... time to bump this thread again I think for some new blood.
What the hell, I might even recount the votes!
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- seriously, you think in 24 pages nobody has addressed your ill-considered waffle? for the record, once again, no argument based on economy stands up regarding the Favor system.
What the hell, I might even recount the votes!
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Braggi
NO.
If need be they can charge more for those without favour (or nothing for the region with favour).
Otherwise if ANet wants PvE people to PvP more, they should give rewards that my PvE character really needs. Like maybe actually buying skills for use in PvE. Could well be double price like x faction to unlock, x faction to buy an unlocked skill to use. Then I had motivation and a reward to spend time in PvP - otherwise it's high end endgame after unlocking tons of skills, which is an unnecessary hurdle.
If need be they can charge more for those without favour (or nothing for the region with favour).
Otherwise if ANet wants PvE people to PvP more, they should give rewards that my PvE character really needs. Like maybe actually buying skills for use in PvE. Could well be double price like x faction to unlock, x faction to buy an unlocked skill to use. Then I had motivation and a reward to spend time in PvP - otherwise it's high end endgame after unlocking tons of skills, which is an unnecessary hurdle.
Blackhawk
Big Fat NO
Favor has always been a dumb idea IMO seeing as 99.99% of PvP people I know, obviously couldnt give a toss about PvE access to an area.
Favor has always been a dumb idea IMO seeing as 99.99% of PvP people I know, obviously couldnt give a toss about PvE access to an area.
berlioz7
another no here.
TabascoSauce
Mr. Saliere, let me state clearly that I am on your side and personally want the favor system to go away. But I think that before that happens, ANet would need to have some kind of system in place that replaces it and makes PvP victory meaningful.
I talk to a lot of players, some in game, some in ts/ventrilo, and some in RL. Those who like the system the way it is have voiced universally that if the favor system was not there, then all those people sweating and working and trying new builds and (in general) playing their hearts out to get favor, would have no reason to continue at their current level of fervor. The PvP players know that literally a million people will be affected, and that provides some incentive. Taking that away makes GvG (and PvP in general since everyone knows that everything else is merely warmup for GvG) meaningless without the consequences spread out for continents to see.
Do you have an alternate system with some teeth? I have seen a recommendation recently to make it 1 plat for favored, 10 plat for everyone else to get in, but for some reason that does not have the same punch that barred access does.
I know that the real pros register in various regions and are not affected by favor, but average joes like me and you are.
Maybe ANet will not change this until they have something else to replace it that will not kick the legs out from under GvG.
Any thoughts?
Thx!
TabascoSauce
I talk to a lot of players, some in game, some in ts/ventrilo, and some in RL. Those who like the system the way it is have voiced universally that if the favor system was not there, then all those people sweating and working and trying new builds and (in general) playing their hearts out to get favor, would have no reason to continue at their current level of fervor. The PvP players know that literally a million people will be affected, and that provides some incentive. Taking that away makes GvG (and PvP in general since everyone knows that everything else is merely warmup for GvG) meaningless without the consequences spread out for continents to see.
Do you have an alternate system with some teeth? I have seen a recommendation recently to make it 1 plat for favored, 10 plat for everyone else to get in, but for some reason that does not have the same punch that barred access does.
I know that the real pros register in various regions and are not affected by favor, but average joes like me and you are.
Maybe ANet will not change this until they have something else to replace it that will not kick the legs out from under GvG.
Any thoughts?
Thx!
TabascoSauce
Alfrond
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Mr. Saliere, let me state clearly that I am on your side and personally want the favor system to go away. But I think that before that happens, ANet would need to have some kind of system in place that replaces it and makes PvP victory meaningful.
I talk to a lot of players, some in game, some in ts/ventrilo, and some in RL. Those who like the system the way it is have voiced universally that if the favor system was not there, then all those people sweating and working and trying new builds and (in general) playing their hearts out to get favor, would have no reason to continue at their current level of fervor. The PvP players know that literally a million people will be affected, and that provides some incentive. Taking that away makes GvG (and PvP in general since everyone knows that everything else is merely warmup for GvG) meaningless without the consequences spread out for continents to see. Do you have an alternate system with some teeth? I have seen a recommendation recently to make it 1 plat for favored, 10 plat for everyone else to get in, but for some reason that does not have the same punch that barred access does. I know that the real pros register in various regions and are not affected by favor, but average joes like me and you are. Maybe ANet will not change this until they have something else to replace it that will not kick the legs out from under GvG. Any thoughts? Thx! TabascoSauce |
Wilhelm
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Originally Posted by Rene Saliere
Consume Chicken [CC] are doing what they can for America, but the Favor system still sucks. Time for a new poll on the Free Roaming idea Kate Soulguard had?
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I feel bad for players on the Japan server, I've never seen them with Favor.