I guess if you want to spam Concussion Shot or something...
A way that Extend Conditions could be made to be mediocre instead of god awful: make it add straight up +condition time instead of modifying the current tick down count by a percent.
Something like:
"All Conditions on target foe last +3...25 seconds longer (Maximum 30 seconds)."
So it could maybe be of some threadbare value if you splash in a variety of conditions without investing points into their attributes. Elementalist's burning and blind would probably be the highest value combo with such a skill.
Ah, well.
The Worst Skills in GW
BryanM
Skye Marin
Having +25 seconds of burning would be just a touch too powerful.
Fixing extend conditions is pretty tricky. Even changing the skill to 5 / 1/4 / 5 with a "nearby" AoE won't make it much more potent.
One crazy idea is this re-working:
Extend Conditions
5 / 1/4 / 10
Elite Hex Spell. For 5..35 seconds, all conditions on target foe last 5...100% longer (Maximum 30 seconds). If a skill is used on that target foe that would remove a condition, then that skill has a 5..65% chance of failing.
Extend the conditions by preventing condition removal. What do you think?
Fixing extend conditions is pretty tricky. Even changing the skill to 5 / 1/4 / 5 with a "nearby" AoE won't make it much more potent.
One crazy idea is this re-working:
Extend Conditions
5 / 1/4 / 10
Elite Hex Spell. For 5..35 seconds, all conditions on target foe last 5...100% longer (Maximum 30 seconds). If a skill is used on that target foe that would remove a condition, then that skill has a 5..65% chance of failing.
Extend the conditions by preventing condition removal. What do you think?
agrios
"Otyugh's Cry" is BY FAR the worst skill on GW. Ever. What low level creeps can do against the mobs on any area? They should remake this skill and turn it into a summon or something (like D&D Summons Nature Ally)
If there were a counter for uses of skills OC's meter would be around 2 or 3.
If there were a counter for uses of skills OC's meter would be around 2 or 3.
Levi Garett
As a majority PvE player my vote goes to Protective Bond (post nerf). With all the other farming nerfs (AoE Scatter, Nightmares in UW) I don't understand why this skill cannot be un-nerfed to some extent. At least try to make it useable again (read: 2EN loss at 16 Prot instead of 18).
BryanM
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"Otyugh's Cry" is BY FAR the worst skill on GW. Ever.
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Extend Conditions, that does basically nothing. At the cost of your elite slot. It is a worse skill.
chikorita23
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Paragon's elite are just almost too plain to be compared with others.
IMO, the worst elite skill in GW is [skill]Word of Censure[/skill] I still don't understand why Anet make such useless skill like this. I never saw that smiters use this spell, even is E/Mo. Also, I don't get where the "censure" is. It should make some bonus while target foe is attacking or something. Anyway, for me, this skill was made for holding a post without the necessary qualifications and just to make up the numbers. |
First, smiting build aren't as popular as healer and bonder in the game, 2nd I use this for smiting spike purposes! Word of Censure does around 80 unblockable holy dmg with fast recharge which are very good combine with other smiting spikes. I'd say WoC is the best smiting spike elite.
Anyway, Useless skill in Elementalist side -
Elementalist
-Swirling Aura (I have create a topic a year ago when this enchantment got secretly weaken from 75% block rate to 50%, but no matter what... for an easy removable enchantment.... even 75% block rate on only arrow dmg is plain useless.... very waste of skill bar)
-Mind Elites (With all the new elites... Mind Shock and Burn seems useless to me, too conditional with penaty. Mind Freeze probably still have its use... but I'd prefer Icy shackle if I want 90% slow effect on my target)
-Armor of Frost (There are already Armor of Mist with wonderful speed boost and both melee+elemental defense! And Fridge Armor that immune burning effect with melee armor defense! Unless I really need strong melee defense... which I can't think of any... Aof is useless in my standard. )
Obey The Cat
Won't say frozen armor is useless at all. But for an elementalist it is. 
Worst skills imho:
[skill]Crippling Slash[/skill]
[skill]Otyugh's Cry[/skill]
[skill]Equinox[/skill]
and too many mesmer skills
Worst skills imho:
[skill]Crippling Slash[/skill]
[skill]Otyugh's Cry[/skill]
[skill]Equinox[/skill]
and too many mesmer skills
beltran13579
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Haven't posted in a while so here's my top 5 worst elites...:
1. [skill]Wastrel's Collapse[/skill] 2. [skill]"The Power Is Yours!"[/skill] 3. [skill]Defensive Anthem[/skill] 4. [skill]Thunderclap[/skill] 5. [skill]Amity[/skill] And a note to all the ppl getting so worked up about skills they think isnt so good, just let it go...this is just a discussion of opinions so take it easy...peace |
Thunderclap can be used in some builds
with a lightning recruve bow
[skill]Ignite Arrows[/skill]
[skill]glyph of lesser energy[/skill]
[skill]Mark of Rodgort[/skill]
[skill]Thunderclap[/skill]
Rest doesnt really matter
beltran13579
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Haven't posted in a while so here's my top 5 worst elites...:
1. [skill]Wastrel's Collapse[/skill] 2. [skill]"The Power Is Yours!"[/skill] 3. [skill]Defensive Anthem[/skill] 4. [skill]Thunderclap[/skill] 5. [skill]Amity[/skill] And a note to all the ppl getting so worked up about skills they think isnt so good, just let it go...this is just a discussion of opinions so take it easy...peace |
Thunderclap can be used in some builds
with a lightning recruve bow
[skill]Ignite Arrows[/skill]
[skill]glyph of lesser energy[/skill]
[skill]Mark of Rodgort[/skill]
[skill]Thunderclap[/skill]
Rest doesnt really matter
tomcruisejr
Who uses MARKSMAN WAGER?
lacasner
My votes would probably be, and not in this order
Dwarven Battle Stance, Keystone Signet, Archers Signet, Lacerate, and Peace and Harmony.
But really the list can go on for much longer.
Dwarven Battle Stance, Keystone Signet, Archers Signet, Lacerate, and Peace and Harmony.
But really the list can go on for much longer.
BryanM
Some sort of marksperson, I'd wager.
The Hand Of Death
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Paragon's elite are just almost too plain to be compared with others.
IMO, the worst elite skill in GW is [skill]Word of Censure[/skill] I still don't understand why Anet make such useless skill like this. I never saw that smiters use this spell, even is E/Mo. Also, I don't get where the "censure" is. It should make some bonus while target foe is attacking or something. Anyway, for me, this skill was made for holding a post without the necessary qualifications and just to make up the numbers. |
Puebert
1 for each profession!
[skill]Headbutt[/skill][skill]Equinox[/skill][skill]Amity[/skill][skill]Toxic Chill[/skill][skill]Shared Burden[/skill][skill]Gust[/skill][skill]Wastrel's Collapse[/skill][skill]Wielder's Zeal[/skill][skill]"Incoming!"[/skill][skill]Vow of Silence[/skill]
And they're all elite!
Although, Swirling Aura is the worst skill in the game. EVER.
[skill]Headbutt[/skill][skill]Equinox[/skill][skill]Amity[/skill][skill]Toxic Chill[/skill][skill]Shared Burden[/skill][skill]Gust[/skill][skill]Wastrel's Collapse[/skill][skill]Wielder's Zeal[/skill][skill]"Incoming!"[/skill][skill]Vow of Silence[/skill]
And they're all elite!
Coloneh
@Puebert: Vow of silence AND headbutt? are you kidding? 30 seconds of daze is amazing and a perma spell breaker is even better.
noocoo
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Mind you, just because you don't see smiting caster using this elite doesn't mean it's useless! Check out the fast recharge and unblockable holy-dmg before making your statement here.
First, smiting build aren't as popular as healer and bonder in the game, 2nd I use this for smiting spike purposes! Word of Censure does around 80 unblockable holy dmg with fast recharge which are very good combine with other smiting spikes. I'd say WoC is the best smiting spike elite. |
Well, signet judgment + mantra of inscription is much better.
noblepaladin
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@Puebert: Vow of silence AND headbutt? are you kidding? 30 seconds of daze is amazing and a perma spell breaker is even better.
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Gordon Ecker
I don't think they can nerf [wiki]"Incoming!"[/wiki] any more than they already have. [wiki]Energizing Finale[/wiki] also got nerfed pretty bad.
[wiki]Glimmer of Light[/wiki] is outperformed be [wiki]Healing Light[/wiki] and / or [wiki]Word of Healing[/wiki] in every situation I can think of.
[wiki]Signet of Spirits[/wiki] has the same net energy gain and linked attribute as [wiki]Offering of Spirit[/wiki], but it has a longer recharge time and doesn't work at all without a spirit in range.
As for historical skills, the worst skill in the history of Guild Wars was the bugged version of [wiki]Signet of Ghostly Might[/wiki], which, during the beginning of the Nightfall preview, could, due to a bug, target any ally of foe instead of just allied spirits. A very distant runner up is the pre-Nightfall version of [wiki]Shatterstone[/wiki], which used to do only a little over half of its current damage.
I don' really have much experience with Smiting spikes, but I wouldn't call Word of Censure a bad skill. You can't ignore the extra 20 second cooldown if the foe's health is below 33%, but all the restriction really means is that Word of Censure can't finish someone off on its own, that doesn't prevent it from being part of a successful spike build.
[wiki]Glimmer of Light[/wiki] is outperformed be [wiki]Healing Light[/wiki] and / or [wiki]Word of Healing[/wiki] in every situation I can think of.
[wiki]Signet of Spirits[/wiki] has the same net energy gain and linked attribute as [wiki]Offering of Spirit[/wiki], but it has a longer recharge time and doesn't work at all without a spirit in range.
As for historical skills, the worst skill in the history of Guild Wars was the bugged version of [wiki]Signet of Ghostly Might[/wiki], which, during the beginning of the Nightfall preview, could, due to a bug, target any ally of foe instead of just allied spirits. A very distant runner up is the pre-Nightfall version of [wiki]Shatterstone[/wiki], which used to do only a little over half of its current damage.
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So you just ignore the mod that is "this spell has 20 sec cool down if it hits on the target foe whose health is less than 33%" and call it the best smiting spike elite?
Well, signet judgment + mantra of inscription is much better. |
ensoriki
Wastrels collapse isnt 1 of the worst skills, its usuable in mesmer builds and Knockdown builds, aswell as daze as it takes people longer to cast.
Anyways worst skills in my head are
Desperate Strike, If you want to use it well, you have to lower your health -_-, or let someone attack you purposely....not very smart in most cases.
Anyways worst skills in my head are
Desperate Strike, If you want to use it well, you have to lower your health -_-, or let someone attack you purposely....not very smart in most cases.
firekil
I can't believe nobody mentioned Signet Of Agony. Its like a much worse version of chillblains.
Sacrifice 10% maximum health and suffer from bleeding for 25 seconds. All nearby foes take 10...37 damage.
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Signet_of_Agony
Sacrifice 10% maximum health and suffer from bleeding for 25 seconds. All nearby foes take 10...37 damage.
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Signet_of_Agony
XvArchonvX
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"Otyugh's Cry" is BY FAR the worst skill on GW. Ever. What low level creeps can do against the mobs on any area? They should remake this skill and turn it into a summon or something (like D&D Summons Nature Ally)
If there were a counter for uses of skills OC's meter would be around 2 or 3. |
linh
wow, someone still think there are worse Ranger skills than Otyugh. You win.
Spazzer
[skill]Balthazar's Pendulum[/skill] - Knockdowns are not a problem that require an elite to solve. Skill ends after it prevents a single knockdown. Relies on an enemy to cause the knockdown.
[skill]Peace And Harmony[/skill] - Energy gain is not even reflected until 15 seconds after this skill has been used. Easilly removed. Conditional.
[skill]Unyielding Aura[/skill] - Elite res skill; no explaination necessary.
[skill]Ray of Judgment[/skill] - Costs 15 more energy than signet of judgement, recharges 10s slower, lacks knockdown, dissables skills.
[skill]Peace And Harmony[/skill] - Energy gain is not even reflected until 15 seconds after this skill has been used. Easilly removed. Conditional.
[skill]Unyielding Aura[/skill] - Elite res skill; no explaination necessary.
[skill]Ray of Judgment[/skill] - Costs 15 more energy than signet of judgement, recharges 10s slower, lacks knockdown, dissables skills.
Gordon Ecker
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I can't believe nobody mentioned Signet Of Agony. Its like a much worse version of chillblains.
Sacrifice 10% maximum health and suffer from bleeding for 25 seconds. All nearby foes take 10...37 damage. http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Signet_of_Agony |
Spazzer
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[wiki]Signet of Agony[/wiki] is horrible on its own, but it's meant to be used with [wiki]Plague Touch[/wiki], [wiki]Plague Sending[/wiki] or [wiki]Plague Signet[/wiki].
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Vyldan
[skill]"Can't Touch This!"[/skill]
As a Paragon user, I hate to name a Paragon skill as the worst. However, this is simply not versatile enough, nor is it useful enough to constitute being worth 10 Energy. Not worth bringing in any situation. The reference may be cute, but it's an honest waste of space as it stands now.
As a Paragon user, I hate to name a Paragon skill as the worst. However, this is simply not versatile enough, nor is it useful enough to constitute being worth 10 Energy. Not worth bringing in any situation. The reference may be cute, but it's an honest waste of space as it stands now.
NekoZ
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[skill]"Can't Touch This!"[/skill]
As a Paragon user, I hate to name a Paragon skill as the worst. However, this is simply not versatile enough, nor is it useful enough to constitute being worth 10 Energy. Not worth bringing in any situation. The reference may be cute, but it's an honest waste of space as it stands now. |
BryanM
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[skill]"Can't Touch This!"[/skill]
As a Paragon user, I hate to name a Paragon skill as the worst. However, this is simply not versatile enough, nor is it useful enough to constitute being worth 10 Energy. Not worth bringing in any situation. The reference may be cute, but it's an honest waste of space as it stands now. |
Best PvE skill = Blood of the Master.
Unyielding is pretty outright awful, I add it to my list.
Bad elites get bonus poo points, for what they have to compete against. The ones that aren't even good enough to take the place of a NORMAL skill hurt the most. Ideal world, every elite should be useful to build a build around, or round out a build with.
Renegade26
steel singer
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[skill]"Can't Touch This!"[/skill]
As a Paragon user, I hate to name a Paragon skill as the worst. However, this is simply not versatile enough, nor is it useful enough to constitute being worth 10 Energy. Not worth bringing in any situation. The reference may be cute, but it's an honest waste of space as it stands now. |
GuildWiki Jamie
yea... Otyugh's Cry is totally useless... unless there was a target near all those aggressive lions & lionesses in Jahai Bluffs, otherwise there is no use for a single lvl5 pet to help you... they're just too week.
Renegade26
How would you guys go about making Otyugh's Cry a better skill then?
Avarre
Removing it completely?
zwei2stein
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How would you guys go about making Otyugh's Cry a better skill then?
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Ork Pride
Firestorm. Yes.
GuildWiki Jamie
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Firestorm. Yes.
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yesitsrob
Wastrel's Collapse, Otyugh's Cry, Scribes Insight are all pretty high on my list of bad. There's a lot of bad skills, really >_>.
DarkBeing
No mention of Ride the Lightning eh?
Darth Kukulkan
As an elementalist user for 2 years, I can really say that :
Armor of frost is totally OWNED by Frigid armor
Elemental flame is useless
Stone sheath... i'd rather say stone shit
Chilling winds is barelly useless too
and Burning speed, which is owned by any djinn with 0 in corresponding attibute
Armor of frost is totally OWNED by Frigid armor
Elemental flame is useless
Stone sheath... i'd rather say stone shit
Chilling winds is barelly useless too
and Burning speed, which is owned by any djinn with 0 in corresponding attibute
cloudbunny
One amazing thing with threads like this is all the uses for "little used skills" that surfaces.
Regards,
Cloudbunny
Regards,
Cloudbunny