PC Gamer May 2007 Information - "Guild Wars Reborn"

Did you even read the summary of did you just proceed to flame your own opinions as you thought they were absolutely correct?

First of all Gaile said there will be no grinding even though there might not be a level cap at either 20 or around there. Second of all, they have just announced the news and we do not know exactly how everything is going to work out so please don't rush to conclusions.

Anet must be hearing that too often to make some radical modifications to GW2 imo.

I'm so excited about the whole thing but i have absolutely no way to get a PCGamer or any other magazine mentioned here http://www.guildwars.com/press/mediapartners.php. No magazines in my country, Poland is such a hole. Is there any chance for any gaming website to get such a massive coverage on GW:EN / GW2 anytime soon?

reading these last messages past my last post, I have realized that yes, we have a lot of info on GW2, but look an this, its a year away from beta.

year from beta.

Someone above me said that the info release this supremely premature could be a ploy to get us people to give Anet our input. (if so then 293473 cool points to ArenaNet.) Yeah I dread the concept of a "WoW clone" and leaving my awesome characters behind, but----Nothing is set in stone yet. These are on paper in pencil! pencils have erasers. So I'm with the people who say "Time will tell". The current info on GW2 is being predominantly poorly recieves and as such we may see GW2 have a level cap of 30, the same game mechanics and a perfect character transfer. We don't know yet!

There is hope yet!

My main concern about the playable races is the chance that there may be bonuses associated with each race. Some people won't play it if there aren't because without them then all it is a fancy skin. Personally, I'll stick with humans. If I don't like GW2 then I'll play GW until I get bored and then play Stargate Worlds. *shrug* Perhaps Neverwinter Nights 2.

It kinda makes sense

What are some of the "main" issues with GW that people complain.

PvE Camp vs PvP Camp
Changing skill because X was impacted by Y playing
The thinning out of the player base, and non-popular locations becoming ghost towns.

It looks like they plan to address these with GW2.

I do hope anet made this info out now so they can take our feed back for something this far away.

Sweeet! Hopefully now Guildwars will be a game... instead of Farming for Cash and making 893759385 PvP characters a day...

Very possibly could be these type of things or countless other ideas, The simple fact is we don't know.
All these people freaking out over partial information about a game that they know so little about how it will actually work is very humorous. *to me at least.*
I've also noticed that many of the people QQing about the "grind" that will come with higher levels are the same ones who haunt these boards QQing about the grind in GWs already. My advise for you is to play solitaire on your comp instead. wait crap that won't work when you start a new game of solitaire it won't let you bring over the deck of cards from your last game.
Sorry can't help you but at least I tried.

Ok, well... I think if Anet tallys up who is in favour of Most of the new features the figures would be..

WoW Fanboys = 6
Gw Community = 0

Im not saying that the graphical changes or the added physics are bad. But i think they are cutting there sales in half or less by not being able to bring over your characters.

NOBODY likes the idea of not being able to bring your characters.. SO WHY DO IT!.


People here arent stupid (well most of them) There making WoW comparisons because ITS LIKE WOW!!!!!!. People arent just coming up with this Sh*t out of the air. They have included alll of the features required to be exactly like WoW without mounts (maybe).

This probably wont get read by most people because its filled with flaming, sorry for wasting ur time, but i need to get my frustration out about my dislikes.

-edited-
my question is, how are they going to implement this lvl cap restructure?

are they going to keep the exp gain the same as it is? or is the formula going to change now.

current max exp needed for next theoretical lvl/skill point is 15000 exp.

will that change?

also, the higher lvl you get, will you get more attribute points or "special skills"?

all questions that NEED to be answered imho.

Although I don't like a single thing I've read about GW2, in all honesty I can't see this part of GW changing.

Most people are too busy playing them to notice, but MMORPG games are actually intentionally designed to be addictive. Don't think for a moment that MMORPG designers aren't 100% aware of this fact. They're designing a digital drug, and they know how to do it.

It works like this: The game has to make you think you're going to get some fun out of it in just a minute, but it's not quiiiite fun yet. "I'll be so cool when I hit lvl50 and can ride a dragon! Just 18 more levels of boredom to go!" This is what keeps you playing, and when you play, you pay.

GW isn't like that, and if GW2 remains free of monthly charges, it won't be either.

Without monthly charges, they want you to get on, play for an hour, feel rewarded and happy so you keep buying new games, and then get the hell off their servers! ^_^

It's an entirely different design philosophy.

So, even with the incredibly stupid sounding changes like high level caps, I actually can't bring myself to think that GW2 will devolve into a total grind-fest.

I'm really excited for both GW:EN and GW2. It sounds like there are a lot of changes ahead, but I think thats a good thing. I've really enjoyed GW, and the style of play crafted by A-net was a great one, but I wouldn't say no to a new or modified experience. I'm pretty much guaranteed to by both games as soon as they come out.

However, for those who would prefer things to stay similar to how they are know, you probably shouldn't freak out too much. GW:EN and especially GW2 are fairly far away and huge changes could be made to both.

As I said before, I think GW2 is a great idea, and yes there can be more depth with a new engine and such.

I just want GW to stay unique in other ways than free/month.

2 years is a very long stretch with no new classes to work on and considering I can't bring my chars into GW2.

OF course we will have the human race. It says four NEW races. No, you cannot sign up for the beta now as Gaile has said. Its too far into the future.

I have the right to say what i feel so don´t question me cos i don´t know you from anywere dude.

Those are my opinions and im not afraid to talk about them.

Reread my post; you completely missed the point of it.

My point was that, after all these hours upon hours of building up the team, I have to start over the next time I buy a new version of the game. It's not something I want to do; on the contrary I would love to be able to continue my team, and sometimes avoid buying new versions of the game just so that I don't have to start over. People who play any genre of game care about starting over, but it's just how most video games are.

Funny cause im pretty sure there have been many people saying tehy dont mind the change, so you are being pretty ignorent there.

and as for wow, yes it is a stupid comparison, why? because most things that wow does isnt new. haveing races isnt making it like wow, cause many games before wow had races. many games before wow had high level caps.

that would be like saying star wars is like lord of the rings cause the main characters are fighting against evil.

I dont know why people are cribbing somuch about characters!! I mean continue playing GW1 till you or the servers drop dead(both which I do not wish to happen!!).ALso, the best part about the pricing structure from GW is that you can buy a bad campaign and just stop playing the game. You can discard it like trash or give it to a friend who cares & continue on your merry way with GW1. I mean frankly you have the option of not playing which is the singe biggest factor for this game's popularity bar none & I really believe that.
Now, as to how long will the servers last honestly I don't know but Gaile said that will continue for more time and frankly I don't see anything wrong with the amount of entertainment value these games have given me. At the end of the day that's what they are--Entertainment.
I am sorry to see some of the admins all pissed off at the mention of GW2 but to be honest exercise your right and don't buy. I on the other hand will buy this game and frankly this game is one of the best Value for Money I have ever got & I am sure that it will continue to be so.
The game will be different and a lot of people will hate it or like it but the fact of the matter is that this game is Anets baby and they have all the right to present it the way they think is fun and entertaining as much as it is your right not to buy it!
Meanwhile, can Gaile please specify more details about exact release dates for GW:EN . Seriously what the hell is Holiday 2007. Since I am currently unemployed and just out of college every day is a holiday!! So some details on that will be greatly appreciated, also I am sure you will not be breaking any rules by telling us that since the PCGamer article does not mention the exact date.

Sorry for being so blatant, what i meant by that was.. nobody in the GW community wants to ditch there characters.

Didn't see this discussed yet...

To get the Asura mini-pet do you take part in a mini-quest or what?

Do you have to buy the expansion or wait for some date or do you get the pet now?

Will the expansion give you new character slots?

What I am wondering is that the Hall of Monuments they speak of, do you get to customize it? does your stats in the Hall updated later on with the current developement of your existing characters? WHAT IS IT LIKE? NEED INFO!!!


And wasn't the first true purpose of Anet the fact that they wanted a radical, rebelious MMORPG that outmatched all other, a CORPG IN OTHER WORDS, something with a mixture of Diablo, Half-life, and WoW. Something special, where you jump in for 2 hours, get quick action, and then leave it for a week...I'll post a full thread about this later.

I think you just put in the access code like if you bought a game that came with the magazine, /bonus and you have the mini pet in your storage. Like I said in a previous post, hopefully we will get character slots for so we can start new with a character even though it is an expansion and they didnt want to bother with low level content. Maybe something new but you have to start the character at the beginning of Nightfall/Factions/Prophecies.

your not catching the point. I dont wanna play the discontinued version. I love lots of the new features, but if they dont include being able to bring over your characters, im noot buying it, and almost my whole guild agrees. (56 members).. not aLL of them but MOST of them

I still say it sounds like a graveyard

As the details of how the actual game play would be like for GW2, I think people should stop judging it base on the standard of GW and WoW(or any other MMO).

For all we know, it might have a very differnt mechanic than any other traditional-MMO (thought it might sound much like one right now on paper). And it mostlikly will be differnt from what we have come to use to in GW.

For now, I am more sad about the discontinuation of GW1, but still excited about GW2. But will have to play the BETA to judge if it will be the innovator it was befoe, or becoming just another meat on the shelf. Too early to really say much on it now.

What are achievements?

Not happy that i cant bring over my characters, but curious about achievements... do you mean titles, money, weapons?

I seriously doubt millions of players will stop playing GW 1 when GW2 is out, most of them might just play them both.

Look at CS for example it still has more players then CSS and source has been out for a good 2.5 years now, i know GW isnt going to do the same trick, but it clearly show's that an old game like CS still runs strong because its an good game, GW is good to and well IF Anet ever decides to pull the plug on GW 1 they really should make it open source or some kind of patch that you can still play it, possible on rented servers or something like that, heck even that you could play it on your own lan. Not having the millions of other players doesnt bother me, i just love PVe and that's all to it, seriously i've spend a lot of money in all the CE packages and pre release packages and i would hate to see it be gone to waste.

Ok right the above may be a long time from here on now and there just nothing certain on this point, but you get the idea.

This sounds great to me.
/runs off to put the stack of red iris flowers on Kanwulfs grave.
Shit they're in his packpack

ROFLMFAO
Your new here right?

You miss mine too Fanelly but that's ok I probably didnt convey it properly. Look at them this way. Thy are two separate games and you play in any one of them. Also, the equipment is transferable so FoW armor wearers shouldn't be complaining :-)
Anyways I guess it's upto the respective guilds to decide on what toplay. I know my Guild (56 players coincidentally) are all planning to buy the next edition.
How this change affects PvP players is a major concern among players as well and I believe the balancing acts will be done by ANet.
Most importantly I believe Anet should not and should not increase the number of skills on the Skill bar at a time i.e. 7 skills and 1 res skill (in PvE at least!!) Skill based playing will be a core I believe which will carry over to the next edition.
Interesting to know wether Anets pricing strategy is failing or not or this change to GW2 is just something they originally intended and not being able to achieve it

Isn't Lineage I still have hords of people playing it (in Korea atleast), while they have Lineage II as well?

So I guess (or hope) that GW would still be up for long time.... even when GW2 come out...

As Exoudeous said, making comparisons to WoW and calling GW2 a WoW clone is idiotic. As if WoW was the first and only game to have playable races, high level caps, mounts, etc etc. So yes, you people ARE "just coming up with sh*t out of the air."

hehe through out this thread here. and this other one

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0125206&page=3
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10126871

And no i am not a beta tester in any way. lol and some ppl made fun of me thinkin i missed my meds

I'll reserve judgment until I try out GW2, but I will say the things that I love about GW are:

-Instancing
-Free to play
-Level 20 cap (so that I can actually play a number of characters and max them)
-Great graphics and beautiful scenery
-Feeling that I'm part of the story
-Lack of grind

Looking forward to GW:EotN, not so sure about GW2 yet. I'm slightly worried because I felt GW really filled a niche and now it's moving out of that niche and into the same realm as other "MMOs". I'll try it out, but I'm wary and not getting my hopes up too much about how it'll go. I think business wise, there's some good decisions here - it moves the game more towards more conventional MMOs, which makes GW2 far more competitive and appealing to converts from other games.

On the other hand, I've appreciated GW's unique approach, I felt it really did things that other games did not, and I'd hate to see that go in favor of going with the crowd.

I know I'll try to get on the betas for GW2, and see what I think - I love betas and I love ferreting out bugs (hey I'm a tester, I can't help it), and I'd love to get a peek at what's in store for us for GW2.

Either way, I'm not going to decide if it'll suck or rule until I get a crack at it, but I'm sticking with a realistic point of view. It might be great... or it might be everything that I hate in an online game. Only time will tell.

-Kelli

PS- okay, I can't possibly be the only person who could care less about what happened to Gwen, am I? :P

Exciting news, I cant wait for both GWEN and GW 2 and I will support Arenanet by purchasing their awesome products.

I think everyone who is reacting so negatively should chill out, especially about the level cap and crossover between GW 1 and 2.

Primarily, the designers chose not to give definitive information on the level cap yet because they wanted to see the reaction of the community at a proposed high level cap. If everyone whines about it then they can better design the level cap to suit the majority of players.

Arenanet has proved over 3 campaigns that Guild Wars has minimal grind, if they want to make it possible to reach level 100, you can bet they will be providing content to get you there, not have you grinding monsters for hours.

About the carryover concerns, honestly people need a reality check.

Consider this: 3 campaigns, 4200 hours, 9 characters, rank 10, gladiator lvl 2, KoaBD, 1000 platinum in storage, multiple 15k sets per toon, UAX, etc. There are many out there with more playing time than I, I realize that.

I have invested a lot and I couldn't care less about the transfer except character names and maybe a colorful aura depending on your titles from the previous games to show your e-peen. It is a good thing to start over sometimes. I got more than my money's worth.

Carrying over characters and gold/items or whatever is completely unnecessary and doesn't fit in with a story line that is hundreds of years in the future. This is a video game, learn to live in real life and realize that things do not last forever in either case.

For those of you who read about GW2 and cry so much about it and want to voice to everyone that you won't be purchasing it because of whatever reason; let me be the first to give you a swift kick in the ass on the way out the door, you won't be missed.

geez 24 pages already and not much said by gaile execpt buy the magazine---which doesnt go on sale for another what 2 weeks....or better yet wait for said periodical to arrive at your local library!! well, mine doesnt even carry periodicals other than the newspaper!!! so much for that idea.....so she is pushing you to spend more money on what, one of anets business partners perhaps????

well nevermind.

thanks gaile for at least responding. and thanks inde for the more consise info on the first page-----I can see this running for lots of pages to come.



my 2cents.
I wont be buying gw2, I will allow all my gw1 characters to achieve the titles and such they wish and then bid them a fond farewell....a funeral perhaps.
It should take me a bit to get 11 toons that far afterwards I will quit playing ....I see no need to play a game that is becoming more and more a pvp-fest (I am a die hard pve player exclusively).... we dont need level 100. Its hard enough to get a pug with everyone being level 20 let alone having people not accept you because you can only play a few hours a week and are only level 27.....and instances--- I cant see waiting for x hours to kill off giant Y .....or dragon A....nope that is not what I wanted from this game. (besides the towns/outposts are already taxing my connection----tooo many people in one place for it.....I can just see 50people in a party what that would do.....I walk outside and LAG LAG LAG LAG LAG ...quest is over and I am dead, ok that was fun).

and I dont really care about carrying over my characters or stuff, but come on ---you CAN carryover your minipets????????????? thats just ridiculous....they just take up storage (and I sincerely doubt they will fix the storage issue by guild wars 37 even) so now you have 10 characters worth of minipets taking up your storage! what a joke.

so at least we have some kind of time line for the end.....
'holidays' in american lingo is usually the end of the year (thanksgiving, xmas, new years----there are no summer holidayS here, only the 4th of july-- that is just 1 not dayS).....so I have until then to get my characters their titles and sh*t before the last guild wars installment......and whether or not I even buy that one will really really depend on what happens between now and then.....but the magic eight ball says now that the chances arent very likely. (though it was wrong about nightfall.....so it may be the last gw I purchase just to tie up loose ends and maybe have some fun in the catacombs---one of my favorite areas in pre as well!)
think I will go to sf and kills some dredges-----

I personaly have enjoyed the game very much,and am a little diapointed that the charters that I have worked on for so long(1,500 hrs)will not be alowed to transfer to the new game.

I hope that ANET will rethink this,and come up with some kind of solution to this dalima.

If there is going to be no ceiling on levels,then bring level 20 chartes from the other game should not be the problem.

I believe if they did let us bring our charters over to the new game,then eventualy they can just shut down the old game server,and no one will be upset because the can continue on.

Also they would not lose any of the orignal fans of GW,not sure this would be posible,but I have a idea for this.

To create a server just for this,this server would be conected to both the orignal GW and GW2 one you bring your charters over from the orignal game they would no longer exist on the orignal game.

I am not saying bring over every charter but give us a opertunity to at least bring over two or three of our orignal charters.

Also they can bring over what ever fits in there bags nothing more.100k + items.

This is a idea,not base on any knowledge on how any of this would be acheived.

THXS Goast

After reading trough counless pages and post about GW2 (not having the mag yet myself) i think GW is going to take a step so far ahead in MMO's that iw till rewrite MMO gaming for years. we all know that the lvl 20 cap made for an amazing gameplay with actual chalenges no mater where you went tin the game. and we all loved that each class was basicly = to any other class. so with the new motion physics in place and likly a similar lvl system though my bet is like a general cap of lvl 40 with all above that simply for the prestige of the number by your name. also remember that not everyone will be able to go out and get GW2 right away. it is likely that GW1 in all its forms will be up and running for several years after GW2 is released. also the fact that we can't transfer much to the new game simply proves Anets philosophy of balance. I for one an confidant that it won't be a WoW type POS and am going to do everything in my power to get in the beta. and of course buy the game. after all i've been in GW for near 2 years now and have loved every bit of it. and who knows maybe we will finaly know what happened to Gwen real soon here XD

These three posts just about sum everything up for me:

Oh well, so much for the fow armors, tormented weapons, elite skills, and 10 characters that I have all grown fond of over the years... Might as well uninstall now and find something else to do.

That's you. I totally hate the "grind for more level" of every single MMORPG out there.

And I don't think I'm alone on this either.

/pats those leaving on the back


lol, i cant even read fast enought to keep up with this thread, wow....GW2 will be awsome, GW:EN will be awsome.....lets not throw the baby out with the bath water...