Feelings about moving from GW1 to GW2

What exactly does the hall of monuments all you to do with ur old armor and weapons?

My guess is that you'll have statues or 'clothes horses' that will display your antique armor and weapons. I can't see any other way of having them in the game that wouldn't be unbalancing...

So does it mean that my Hero Title, and Champion Title will be transferred to GW2 as well? Those are the only titles I care about, and I spent 99% of my time in Guild Wars getting them. It would be nice to carry them over with me to a new game.

Can you give some clarification to that Gaile?

I'm looking forward to GW2 as well, and I hope nothing is carried over. A fresh start, a fresh economy!

Obviously, there are many people who wish they could keep their characters. After all, lots of folks have spent lots of hours with those toons, and naturally they become attached.

Just as an exercise, I thought I'd point out a few reasons why bringing characters over to GW2 might not be such a practical idea.

* Artists would be forced to duplicate all the existing GW items instead of coming up with new items - remember, all the models will likely be much higher poly count and larger textures / better shaders, and so they have to be re-created anyhow.
* An enormous amount of developer time would likely have to be spent carefully mapping all the old items to new ones while developing the import mechanism / code.
* The character artists would have to ensure there's a careful mapping between old and new faces. What happens if you don't like your newly mapped face? Special code to allow you to change your face after importing your character then? More special code... more developer time...
* Skill unlocks may be meaningless if significant changes are made to the combat system. The designers may decide to create entirely new skill sets, or fundamentally change the way the skills work. If you import your character but have no skill unlocks, does this mean you may have to run through the beginning areas as a high level character to get those skills?
* Likewise, armor, weapon, and item stats may also be rendered meaningless if the combat system changes significantly. How would a poison bow be imported to the new game if poisoning is removed from the game, for instance?
* Bringing large numbers of weapons, armors, items, gold, etc into the game could have a hugely destabilizing effect on the economy.
* What does a level 20 character mean in a game that has no level limit? Do they calculate the time it takes to reach level 20 in GW1 and give your new character the equivalent? Or do they just make you a level 100 character? Or perhaps just start at level 1 again?
* Other races... If there's a good-versus-evil sort of game mechanism, then the humans will have a pretty significant advantage off the bat.
* How do they ensure that an imported character has a fun experience just like a newly created character? Create both level 1 and level 20 tutorials? Or does the imported character just skip past the initial areas? This puts them in exactly the same situation that they are dealing with in the GW campaigns and are trying to get away from.

What I think many people fail to realize is that their character is largely defined in terms of current GW game mechanics - titles, level, skills, armor, weapons... ALL of this is subject to change in GW2 (and based on the article, it sounds like this is likely), and there just isn't a reasonable way to map content from one game to another in any significant amount (if they only re-create a few armor sets, imagine the outcry if they don't pick yours). It's only practical if two games use the exact same rule-set, such as some of the Baulder's Gate series (AD&D rules).

I'm not saying you're wrong for wanting to keep your characters or anything - but if you stop and consider all the ramifications, it's easy to see why Anet is choosing the path they've indicated. All in all, I think they're making the right decision by not allowing character imports - instead just allowing people to reserve character names. It seems like it would be a huge drain on dev resources for a one-time-only feature, and allowing this sort of transfer might end up compromising new and innovative designs (both in gameplay and art) of GW2.

Edit*
I just saw something Gaile said in the other thread so I shall amend this. She says if you link your GW2 account with your GW1 account and name your character the same as from GW1- it will automatically have all the same titles.


The magazine doesn't say anything about your old GW1 gear. What it does say is "special weapons" you earned in GW1 will be on display in the Hall of monuments and you can take them out and use them. It describes doing quests in Eye of the North to build your hall of monuments in GW2 (if you link accounts). So maybe earning "special weapons" is done by completing quests as part of building your hall. Example, quest reward: complete this quest to unlock a mini norn for your hall of monuments. It doesn't say anything about equipment that you actually used in GW1. That's how I interpret it anyway.

It does explicitly say that GW1 titles and minipets will be on display. Not sure if that means all minis you own can transfer or if they just means ones you have to quest for.

WOW SOMEONE WITH BRAINS !!!?!?! Something you should know people are stupid here Guild WarS WILL BE PROBABLY BE CLOSE TO 5 YEARS OLD BY THE RELEASE OF GW 2 SO CRY ME A RIVER.... NEW GAME NEW GAME NOT EXP PACK NEW GAME DO THEY LET YOU TAKE YOUR WEAPONS AND PROGRESS FROM ZELDA WIND WAKER OVER TO ZELDA TWILIGHT PRINCESS NO THEY DON'T. I LOVE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKE OMG MY CHARACTERS ARE GANA DIE I CAN'T PLAY THIS GAME ANYMORE ITS DOOMED WITH A NEW BIGGER AND BETTER VERSION COMING OUT IN 2-3 YEARS.!!!!! (YES I LOVE CAPS LOCK)

You might as well not buy a computer or an ipod cause in a year a new better bigger versions coming out and don't even bother enjoying either

People just don't understand game making and why their precious FOW armor that is just a unique skin and no better then any other armor cant be brought into a whole new game with all new stats ect.

Almost every other Mmo that makes a sequel follows this same pattern btw, but then again in response to that would be "OMG GW IS JUST LIKE BEIN LAIKE EVER!y OTHER MMO LIKE TEH WOW CAUSE WOW INVENTED MMOS I HATE WOW BUT I MIGHT AS WELLL AND GO PLAY IT CAUSE GUILDWARS 2 IS GANA SUCK AND IM SECRETLY IN TEH ALPHA FOR IT.

Just a morbid thought. If your Hall of Monuments is built during Gwen, is'nt it a bit like digging your own grave? That being the case, I wonder if you really die(not rezzable death) at the end of Gwen.. Told you it was morbid.

It seems as though I can keep all my titles and stuff, and transfer them onto Shan 2. Special weapons. My first thought that could only relate to green weapons and a selected rare skins such as tormented ones.

Still, two years is ages away and one article does not a game make

However some people do realize game mechanics and dont need to use cap locks. And i really hate to break it to you,but it would not be as hard as you think it would be to transfer a character over. And in 2 ish yrs Anet might realize that. The only hard part to transfering the chars over would be all the skills and those things over. As far as the different types of weapons models and that. hmm lets see there is already gonna be some type transferable and also titles and minis will be transferrable.


See no caps needed to get that point across.

This has always puzzled me in GW. Why not just ress Rurik, ress everyone who died in the searing...

Because I didnt start playing GW 1 untill about a year after it came out, never done all of factions and only had night fall for about 1 month. I think it is good to be able to play a new game, where everything is reset and I have a level footing with everybody else. The reson I didnt do factions is its really laggy on my pc, and NF Crashs in same places. So I need to go to my bros pc or dads, witch means I cba lol.

Anyway. I am looking forward to it. I think I will play as a normal gamer, not trying to reach the highest level 1st. But I will want to be up there with time.

Lmao! Never looked at it like that.

Well, does the fact that your life will end at some point stop you from living your life?

Of course there's a point to keep going. Some people forget that it's gonna be a couple of YEARS before GW2 is out...plenty of time to do plenty of stuff I'd say...

Thanks, Yoda, for your wonderful insight. lol

Rurik and his band of merry wammos hadn't done Lina's quest to get a Res Signet...if they had done maybe it would have changed the way the Charr Invasion turned out.

All I really have to say is "meh." GW2 sounds like a WoW clone. And if you can't move characters over from GW1 to GW2... bah. Quite a few people have 1000+ hours invested in their GW1 characters, and ANET wants us to just dump them and leave them to collect dust? IMO, it's a great way to lose half the fanbase.

Also, if anyone thinks there are quite a few people saying "GW is just a cheap knockoff of WoW..." once GW2 comes out, I think that number will increase drastically.

Well, GW2 won't be out for 2 or 3 years... so I'll be listening in on the rumors. If it sounds good, I might get it (I just barely have 50 bucks saved up, but I dunno what will happen to it in 3 years... and I dunno if I'll have the time for gaming in 3 years. Yes, I will be very unhappy if it comes to that.)

Will GW2 have a subscription fee?

I really wish you could take mutil GW 1 accounts and merge them together, ehlp alot once GW 2 comes. Any Chance Gaile?


(mutil GW accounts pre-buying slots)

Personally, after Gailes response...i NOW am in total favour of NOTHING being carried across -save- character names.
And anything that IS carried over to have no in-game advantages to GW:2.

If advantages are given to the GW2 players that had all expansions of GW1 and maybe 7 or 8 titles maxed and they get _____ bonus. How would that keep things balanced for the NEW-to-Guild wars- Guild wars 2 players?

If the game is being billed as NEW and not a glorified expansion, then imho there should be nothing carried over that would offer bonuses that would allow gw veterans an advantage over new comers to the series, no matter how big or small.

A new game should be a clean slate - names are fine - - viewing what my "ancestor" accomplished in my hall of ladi da - fine. But giving me a better chance of salvageing the gw2 weapon mod i want JUST BECAUSE i got a rank 3 wisdom title in GW1 is unfair to new comers.

No?

If GW2 will make all my time farming ecto's or getting fame (the most important thing) useless, it will be a lot frustrating for me, maybe I won't buy the new game either for this.

Because nobody likes Rurik.

the point is: I bought 3 games, and spent most of my free time to get those advantages and to get my maxed wisdom title (just an example); why should a new comer, that bought only GW2 and spent much time playing other games, be like me, who play GW from its very beginning?

anyway the Gaile's post says that you can "pass things and titles down through the family" using the hall of monuments, so I don't know if it's still a problem for the GW veterans.

I really wish I had just skipped this thread. Full of inane foolishness really.

Point one: As has been stated, it's a different game. You deserve no credit for playing GW1 just like you get no credit for taking a new job in a different field. You all will get enough advantage from the learning curve of how GW tends to work anyhow.

Point two: title collection is just an ego boost. It really just boils down to who spent a ton of time playing to gather any of the titles. (I should know, I have plenty of them and really don't do anything any better than most on the game) Will anyone really care except the guy that has the title? Do any of you actually care about the titles you see others using?

Point three: The drone of "dead game makes it unplayable" is really stale and lame. a month ago you all loved the game but now that it's allegedly winding down, it is no longer worth your time. Not a single aspect of the content has changed, just your attitude towards it. There are great games with very short support life in this world and some real garbage that still gets supported for whatever reason. If you are going to make all your quality choices based on active support, you are going to end up missing out on some great things.

Point four: If ANet opts to close the servers for GW1, I would be inclined to not purchase any other products they offer in the future. The game was released with certain proclimations of free play and that was not limited to any time frame that would end with the release of a new product.

Point five: I'm not buying a sequal game just because it's part of the franchise. if it doesn't offer me anything interesting to me, I'll be happy to stay where I am in the original game.

I was just thinking, all the armor weapons and everything........if it doesnt corss over (which more than likely it wont) man what a waste of time!

Then perhaps you should have played the game like they said you could, getting things with max stats for a low amount of cash. If you made the conscious decision to buy FoW, then you ought to have thought about the future - the servers aren't going to stay open forever.

In my view I am happy that a new GW is coming (approximately 14 sets of 15k armour and 2 sets of FoW + perfect weapons, multiple maxed titles), and although many people are claiming that the gameplay is borrowing heavily from WoW, I think it will make a refreshing change to be able to meet people out in the wilds, and not necessarily have to fight something every three yards.

Oh, wow, a whole 'nother thread about the same issues being discussed here: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10133090

Look, we don't know what we'll be able to carry over or not. My advice: Play the game like you want, like there is no tomorrow.

The idea that we could transfer weapons and/or armor EXACTLY over is ludicrous. We have no idea what the mechanics of Guild Wars 2 will be, or what the Attributes, Max damage, benefits, etc., will be.

I hope that people will get some kind of unique skin for FoW armor or something, but it's not something I personally would count on.

THANK YOU. I completely agree with everything you just said, Salamanca.
"I should get a real/useful bonus (that gives me an advantage in GW2) because I've been a loyal GW player sacrificing me free time for those titles/armour/whatever" = Just NO. You weren't doing this to be loyal to anyone, you were doing this for FUN. (And if you didn't... poor you.)

I am in favor of transfering things over but with a twist..... let the armor have the same look but let the defence drop to starter armor level.You keep the looks and memories but cant have the advantage... though id love to pwn noobs.Same with weapons.... keep the looks but stats should be low.Did i mentioned that i dont give a damn about new comers?

I hope this quote is not referred to me cause I didn't say that.
I didn't say GW1 players MUST have bonus, I just said that having advantage would not be bad or unfair for the GW2 new comers...

Anyway Gaile said that GW1 players WILL HAVE bonuses, so...

Wow, thats pretty stupid. New comers help fund the game. Without new comers they would be losing money which in turn affects us. Think before you post ignorant things.

Newcomers dont do anything for me,its my choice to care or not.

Im already excited. It sounds like GW 2 is gonna be everything I ever wanted in a MMORPG and no monthly payments! No monthly payments means huge sales from littel dudes and peopel whos parents could care less about vid games.

My main name "unmatched Fury" has carried from D1 ( yes i played it) starcraft , warcraft3, diablo 2 ( lvl 96 wind druid thank you very much) into GW factions ritualist. I for one, look forward to the next reincarnation of my fav char and GW.

they'll do alot of things better in PvE, and its sounds liek PvP is going to be jsut as easy to prepare for as in guild wars one.( no months worth or more grind like WoW)

Yea i don't know bout you guys but guild wars 2 is gonna have me excited come 2009.

You're emo arent you? You seem to hate everything. I've seen you in another thread saying how you want PVP'ers dead (which is strange since you also said how you'd love to "pwn noobs") and now it's hatred towards newcomers.

And guess what? We're ALL going to be newcomers to GW2. No one can claim veterancy because GW2 will be pretty much a completely different game.

Yes it would be nice to have some equipment from GW transfer over. But it's not really a big deal. Raging over this is just funny. There are more important things in life to rage over.

I feel kind of like this... I'll still have GW1 to play. Will I try GW2? Of course. Will I try and be a tester? Of course. Am I excited? No... the lack of, or very high level caps just makes me wonder what happened to the casual gamer mentality.

In all reality, though, I'm really looking forward to the beta events. That will be ANets chance to make me go 'wow.' It will also be their chance to make me go WoW.

People, people. *waves hands mysteriously* Think about what you're saying. Do you seriously want your equipment to carry over? That would make GW2 so easy. Just transfer your FoW and voila, you have super armor from day 1. Yawn. You're done.

Same thing with holiday items. It will ruin the uniqueness of GW2 and it's ability to stand on it's own two legs if there's tons of GW veterans on it that hog all the glory with their cool items. There needs to be an equal ground in the sequel, where the newcomers have an equal shot at being the cool ones.

Your stuff in GW won't disappear, it'll still be there for you. Do you have any idea what you're getting for the money you paid? It's butt-ass great value, I tell you. BUTT. ASS. GREAT. VALUE. And now you have even more opportunities in a new game, IF YOU WANT. That's a pretty good deal in a world packed with assholes, you know.

Saying this over and over becomes quite tiresome: because GW2 is a NEW GAME. Props to you for getting your titles etc., but I fail to see why achievements gotten in one game should grant you any benefits in another game.

I agree with Kisuro. I'm not getting the emotional attachment thing. The GW1 server isn't going anywhere. You're still Billy Badass there. I mean... OMG, I traded for Derek Jeter in MLB 2K6 and signed him to a 5 year deal, and in MLB 2K7 he was back on the Yankees??? Oh noes! That's not fair!

Repeated for clarity: It's a new game.

My only issue is the level cap being so high. Following the current 2 years and done game model, I may never break level 75 before GW3. Just have to wait and see.

No, that specific part wasn't adressed at you, but I'm sick of people who want a real advantage (as in "an advantage that allows them to be stronger in-game") over new players just because they have hapened to play GW. Some cosmetic bonuses are nice (as is the ability to keep our names), but I strongly oppose the idea of any "real" advantages for long-time players.
New game. Real advantages based on whether or not one has played a different game = unfair as hell
That's what I was trying to say.

Personally I don't care about leaving things behind. I've put alot of time and effort in my main char by giving her maxed titles, sets of armor and a torm staff, but I had a lot of fun doing it. I'm just excited about exploring the gw2 world like when I just started playing gw1, and starting over from scratch.

I will probably try GW2...but I honestly don't want to, I rather they continue with doing campaigns, i dont necessarily care about adding new jobs...I just want more content, and assuming that Eye of the North will be the last installment to GW1...its really sad...after players get through eye of the north, that will probably be it for GW1 if nothing new will be added, lets face it...people are always complaining about GW dying....I already see another thread saying "Is nightfalls dying?" and there been tons of "Factions is dying" already...GW is pretty much gone and Eye of the north is going to be a waste of money if you plan on getting it for long term play...Im definitely gonna get it...at least for "closure" sense...but...it will definitely bother me that i bought it just to play it maybe 3-4 times on each of my chars or so.

I will definitely try GW2, but honestly, I rather just migrate back to FFXI...I liked guild wars for all it was about...not the best armors or highest levels, but about the skill of the players...and if GW is moving to that genre, then I might as well go back to FFXI which my character is already maxed on two jobs, with plenty of sub jobs leveled, and i have some great armor and junk there...im just gonna have to wait and see how everything will go i guess. Thinking about it now...will GW2 offer completely revamped jobs or will GW1 professions be transferred and slightly modified? Well nevermind, every game has the same template as far as profession goes... a healer white mage/monk/physician/etc...a nuker black mage/elementalist/etc...a warrior, a whatever....lol