Several people I know are thinking of quitting guild wars over this update. I don't entirely blame them. Changing the game to make things more challenging in hard mode is fine, but leave things alone in normal mode. One of my guildies was halfway to the 1st level of the skillhunter track, and now he will have a long way to go because it's been split up. Many of us enjoy playing alone, not being forced to team up with others, and it's not exactly fair to lower the loot in even normal mode for those of us who PREFER to play alone. Yes, this is a game for people to play together, but that doesn't mean that we should be forced to go into all areas in a large group in order to get drops. I understand that it's supposed to be scaled or whatever, but maybe some of us are working toward goals when we farm. Sometimes I farm simply so I can buy the max armor for my other characters, not even 15k armor. Not to get tons of money or anything like that.
And for those who say that we are complaining when they gave us a new mode, well some of us don't have access to that mode. There are people who just started the game, or people who haven't even gotten the game yet. This is not the same game that I bought two years ago. Hard mode is fine and dandy, but for those of us who don't even have access to it, all these changes seem to turn this into a very different game.
Update - Thursday April 19, 2007
elfmoogle
The Great Al
So..Anet spends 6 months balancing an area (which right now i'm getting owned in, but i think its a good difficulty)..however, until I start seeing people with better drops, what is the point? The first , and only chest I've seen was a grape...and the drops are horrific.
Carboplatin
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good thing i been in this game for almost two years and have alot of money saved up. i feel sorry for the newer players.
Blackest Rose
In an interview a few months back Anet reported that they had someone testing out farming builds on a fairly permanent basis as it was recognized as being part of the game ..... guess that person was just fired.... there's no point in going into an area any more with a team size of 8 or less.
Woot - hard mode rocks!
WTF - loot got nerfed!
Why is it that every major positive update Anet makes they slide something in to detract from it - it's going to be the thing everyone focus's on you know!
At NF release it was the AI crapastic kiting for miles problems and now this...
Let the solo farmers solo farm I say.... even though I've only dabbled in it every now and again it was challenging - now there's no chance of a reward so why bother.
There was no mention to this prior to the update - Anet knows this will cause uproar... why did you do it!!?!
Woot - hard mode rocks!
WTF - loot got nerfed!
Why is it that every major positive update Anet makes they slide something in to detract from it - it's going to be the thing everyone focus's on you know!
At NF release it was the AI crapastic kiting for miles problems and now this...
Let the solo farmers solo farm I say.... even though I've only dabbled in it every now and again it was challenging - now there's no chance of a reward so why bother.
There was no mention to this prior to the update - Anet knows this will cause uproar... why did you do it!!?!
bam23
58 thumbs down for loot scaling.
LoKi Foxfire
I'm glad I've been farming Torment gems.. too bad my stupid butt didn't get more Titan gemstones. They're gonna skyrocket in price! (I hope 
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Bryant Again
Well. It looks like I was right about that loot being scaled down.
&*$%!
&*$%!
The Ernada
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Originally Posted by ensoriki
There complaining because once you've reached your goals and you DO NOT LIKE pvping Farming was all they had, now they can't do it.
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No one at this point can complain about there being nothing to do besides farming.
Also dont forget that the average drop rate for rares has increased for Hard Mode:
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Hard Mode Loot * The average number of uncommon and rare items has been increased in Hard mode. * While in Hard mode, the number of gemstones that players receive from chests after defeating each region of the Domain of Anguish has been doubled. |
While normal mode is even easier to farm now:
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Changes to Normal Mode The following monster AI modifications have been made to Normal mode only. Monsters in Hard mode continue to use the most challenging AI available. * Monsters in Normal mode now respond more slowly to AoE damage. * Monsters in Normal mode are now less likely to kite for long periods of time. * Melee monsters in Normal mode will once again focus all of their attacks on a single target. |
Sirus Dibley
Anet giveth , Anet take away - this is going to be a sensastional few days in the forums....
Mad King Corn
I hope they lose a vast majority of their customers over this stupid crap! They have ruined our fun big time over the last few weeks and they deserve to go out of business. Any company that is hell bent on ruining their customers enjoyment of the game deserves exactly that. Sorry Anet, this is the last nickle you will EVER get from me, you can stick the expansion and GW2 up your ass!
P.M. Grey
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Originally Posted by The Ernada
No one at this point can complain about there being nothing to do besides farming.
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There's more than just farming that people don't like about this update, too. Hard mode is actually quite dull, and is pretty much the same in every place. Not only that, but it makes normal mode more or less pointless. Why go normal mode now that Hard Mode is in effect? Especially considering that normal mode has been made easier/too easy. Where's the fun? Supposedly it's in hard mode, but I fail to see the appeal.
I payed for Guild wars. But now the whole game is different, like some sort of Guild Wars 1.5 or something. If I wanted to play a new and different version of Guild Wars, I'd buy Guild Wars 2 when it comes out. Put this new stuff in there instead of changing the way the original works. That's my suggestion.
Tyren Wolfclan
The loot scaling means that to get any decent chance of ectos you'll need to get a group of 8 then hope you are the lucky one out of 8... I mean honestly, invisible henchman stealing your ectos?
Ninja henchmen
Ninja henchmen
Amadeo
Okay so how am I now going to get money as an Assasin? I can't Solo Farm anymore, and nobody wants Sins in their UW/FOW/DOA etc. groups... 
I really just wish they'd leave the Normal Mode alone..
I really just wish they'd leave the Normal Mode alone..
Kali Magdalene
I find it frustrating in that I farmed to pay for skills, and from what I've done in hard mode so far, it doesn't seem that it'll make up the difference. It also reinforces the divide between players with piles of platinum and ectos and players without. Previously, if I really wanted to, I could put in enough time to catch up to them. Now, the difference in wealth is permanent and insurmountable.
This won't stop botting, either. The change introduces more tedium into farming (because you have to run 5-10x more to get the same amount of loot), and botting is immune to tedium.
They won't be bringing as much loot into the game, but they'll potentially have that much more effect on the economy.
Edit: This isn't doom as such. I'm sure that the money will be obtainable. It's possible that the boost in drops in hard mode might make things less painful.
This won't stop botting, either. The change introduces more tedium into farming (because you have to run 5-10x more to get the same amount of loot), and botting is immune to tedium.
They won't be bringing as much loot into the game, but they'll potentially have that much more effect on the economy.
Edit: This isn't doom as such. I'm sure that the money will be obtainable. It's possible that the boost in drops in hard mode might make things less painful.
Blue Psyche 2
The thing about "invisible henchmen" clearly can't be true. I've spent the last two hours testing farming spots, first solo and then with a full group of henchmen, and I definitely make a lot more profit farming solo. Two or three times more. But not eight times more like it used to be.
Anyway, I'm guessing that the real money is now going to be made by farming elite skill tomes in hard mode and selling them to other players, so I'm off to try that.
Anyway, I'm guessing that the real money is now going to be made by farming elite skill tomes in hard mode and selling them to other players, so I'm off to try that.
JR
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I mean honestly, invisible henchman stealing your ectos?
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Originally Posted by Blue Psyche 2
The thing about "invisible henchmen" clearly can't be true. I've spent the last two hours testing farming spots, first solo and then with a full group of henchmen, and I definitely make a lot more profit farming solo.
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ensoriki
Anyone consider it a glitch?
Maybe it was supposed to be scaled in that people in parties got better chances not Solo Farmers get screwed.
May of been a bad coding.
Maybe it was supposed to be scaled in that people in parties got better chances not Solo Farmers get screwed.
May of been a bad coding.
GloryFox
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Alternate Elite Mission Access * Bosses in Hard mode now drop Underworld and Fissure of Woe Passage Scrolls. These scrolls allow a party to enter these realms even if their territory does not have the favor of the gods. * The Kurzick Bureaucrat [Faction Rewards] in House zu Heltzer now offers Passage Scrolls into Urgoz's Warren. Players may exchange 1,000 Kurzick faction to obtain one of these scrolls, which will transport one person to the outpost. * The Luxon Scavenger [Faction Rewards] in Cavalon now offers Passage Scrolls into the Deep. Players may exchange 1,000 Luxon faction to obtain one of these scrolls, which will transport one person to the outpost. |
Better late then never I guess.
ensoriki
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Originally Posted by Amadeo
Okay so how am I now going to get money as an Assasin? I can't Solo Farm anymore, and nobody wants Sins in their UW/FOW/DOA etc. groups...
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Instead of Stop with Pve and PVP screwing each other its not
Dont let Normal and hardmode but rape the other.
Watch when A-net makes sure Hard Mode stays balanced so they nerf skills to keep pve balanced but it bootlegs pvp ^.^.
JR
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Anyone consider it a glitch?
Maybe it was supposed to be scaled in that people in parties got better chances not Solo Farmers get screwed. May of been a bad coding. |
Twelve characters.
The Ernada
I have no clue if this has already been explained but the loot scaling was done for these reasons:
-Distribution of wealth. The majority of people who don't farm will now get more loot and wealth simply by playing.
-Discouraging farm bots. 'Nuff said.
-Encourage more PUGs and human teams in general. People have been complaining about lack of people to team up with. Now there's an incentive.
So who cares if solo farming has been nerfed. It has always been the lowest form of gameplay anyway.
-Distribution of wealth. The majority of people who don't farm will now get more loot and wealth simply by playing.
-Discouraging farm bots. 'Nuff said.
-Encourage more PUGs and human teams in general. People have been complaining about lack of people to team up with. Now there's an incentive.
So who cares if solo farming has been nerfed. It has always been the lowest form of gameplay anyway.
ensoriki
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I have no clue if this has already been explained but the loot scaling was done for these reasons:
-Distribution of wealth. The majority of people who don't farm will now get more loot and wealth simply by playing. -Discouraging farm bots. 'Nuff said. -Encourage more PUGs and human teams in general. People have been complaining about lack of people to team up with. Now there's an incentive. So who cares if solo farming has been nerfed. It has always been the lowest form of gameplay anyway. |
And GW1 will fall apart from lack of money.
So what you should be saying is
Calm down, not Who cares.
Tyren Wolfclan
Well said Ensoriki.
The Ernada
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Customers do, and if Customers arent happen Gw:EN wont sell , Gw2 Wont sell
And GW1 will fall apart from lack of money. So what you should be saying is Calm down, not Who cares. |
I'm seriously laughing at the thought of people deciding not to buy GW2 because of lack of farming...
Bryant Again
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So who cares if solo farming has been nerfed.
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zerulus
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And for those who say that we are complaining when they gave us a new mode, well some of us don't have access to that mode. There are people who just started the game, or people who haven't even gotten the game yet. This is not the same game that I bought two years ago. Hard mode is fine and dandy, but for those of us who don't even have access to it, all these changes seem to turn this into a very different game. |
ensoriki
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Haha. Yes, to your doom and gloom prediction, I'll say calm down.
I'm seriously laughing at the thought of people deciding not to buy GW2 because of lack of farming... |
Kali Magdalene
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I have no clue if this has already been explained but the loot scaling was done for these reasons:
-Distribution of wealth. The majority of people who don't farm will now get more loot and wealth simply by playing. |
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Kotetsu Rain
You mean that I'm stuck with no money making ways besides running? That's not cool...and I just wanted to try solo farming the UW with my sin. I was gonna go ahead and sell all my stuff run Droks a couple of times...
Now the next thing that I actually was excited about doing is now gone...
GG Anet
*goes off to see if he can sell overpriced greens*
*also goes of to think of a new PvE build for Lightbringer Point farming in Hard Mode*
Now the next thing that I actually was excited about doing is now gone...
GG Anet
*goes off to see if he can sell overpriced greens*
*also goes of to think of a new PvE build for Lightbringer Point farming in Hard Mode*
chichory
Anyone else wish they would of given monsters eight skills, secondary profession and a more balanced group instead of just throwing an elite on there bar and giving them super abilities?
Or do you like things been harder by making the odds against you?
Just generally interested as I've been reading the forum for the last month or so in wait of hard mode and in relation to that, i saw most people post how they didn't want another DoA type thing.
Don't get me wrong I am very happy Anet added this I just feel it could of been so much more.
It is probably too early for me to comment on this as I have only been playing for half an hour, I just thought I would throw it out there
Or do you like things been harder by making the odds against you?
Just generally interested as I've been reading the forum for the last month or so in wait of hard mode and in relation to that, i saw most people post how they didn't want another DoA type thing.
Don't get me wrong I am very happy Anet added this I just feel it could of been so much more.
It is probably too early for me to comment on this as I have only been playing for half an hour, I just thought I would throw it out there
elfmoogle
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You've had this game for two years and havn't beaten the campaign once on a character?
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ensoriki
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You mean that I'm stuck with no money making ways besides running? That's not cool...and I just wanted to try solo farming the UW with my sin. I was gonna go ahead and sell all my stuff run Droks a couple of times...
Now the next thing that I actually was excited about doing is now gone... GG Anet *goes off to see if he can sell overpriced greens* *also goes of to think of a new PvE build for Lightbringer Point farming in Hard Mode* |
your profit is cut drastically than from the 200-400 new chars made by rich folks.
Kotetsu Rain
You mean that I'm stuck with no money making ways besides running?
GG Anet
*goes off to see if he can sell overpriced greens*
*also goes of to think of a new PvE build for Lightbringer Point farming in Hard Mode*
GG Anet
*goes off to see if he can sell overpriced greens*
*also goes of to think of a new PvE build for Lightbringer Point farming in Hard Mode*
Noz Crow
This will indeed affect how people look at GW2. Example: Lets say you buy GW2 and it is the coolest game ever, then in 6 months they totally change and nerf it. Now it no longer looks like the same game but has the same name. Bingo No more farming, no more solo farming. Even though the DEVs and Gaile said they have nothing against farming.
The Ernada
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They'll get more by playing than they could by farming. They're not going to get more than they used to get by farming.
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It won't, since the major obstacle to hardcore farming (boredom) doesn't exist for botting.
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I don't know. I don't feel inclined to team more with people because I can't farm. If anything, I'll end up playing less because one activity that I spent time doing is no longer worthwhile.
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Obviously, quite a few people care.
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Abarra
well with the price of vabbian armor and the price of fow armor and even just the straight 15k armor... no farming. You don't get that sort of cash playing the game. People will play it through once or twice, then what's left - 'Oh I can't make cash for good armor so what's the point'
prices will go up but people can't afford stuff. This just sucks, I'm back to Wow. Thanks Anet I had been enjoying guildwars again - a bit of playing, a bit of farming to get my weapons and armor was fun.
This is one nerf too far for me and I'm not even a serious farmer, just like being able to make money for the highly priced armor. even max armor costs 15k in some cases with mats - oh yes and mats will rise in price with decreased drops too so make that 20 or 25k in a few weeks or month.
bye
prices will go up but people can't afford stuff. This just sucks, I'm back to Wow. Thanks Anet I had been enjoying guildwars again - a bit of playing, a bit of farming to get my weapons and armor was fun.
This is one nerf too far for me and I'm not even a serious farmer, just like being able to make money for the highly priced armor. even max armor costs 15k in some cases with mats - oh yes and mats will rise in price with decreased drops too so make that 20 or 25k in a few weeks or month.
bye
JR
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bye
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The Great Al
Is hard mode just a money sink for people trying to get a chest title? 1.5k for a key, mandatory if you want to open a chest in HM, the % that you will retain it is pretty low, and the CHEST DROPS ARE NO BETTER THAN NORMAL MODE.
ensoriki
A-net could.....Reset Merchants *Puts up flame shield*
The Ernada
Is there not one day where you people don't overreact and jump to conclusions? It's hardly been a few hours and people are already proclaiming how it's impossible to get gold for their armor already. Can we get some sense back into this place?