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Miss Eisei

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

In The Scribe October 19, 2006

[BrKn] The Brovian Knights

Mo/

20 Apr 2007 at 06:55 - 161

I love the whole update, Kudos

As far as loot goes, ill have to see after playing a while
But as far as solodrops?!, i dont care at all

Ive always loved playing in groups, specially as a monk, its a challenge and i have more fun
I play GW cause its fun, not to sit around and solo my characters

Love this update, it made everything alot more fun, and i finally feel like i got some rewards for my work

<3 Anet

All my personal opinion so no need to cry or flame me for not liking solo

The Ernada

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

20 Apr 2007 at 06:56 - 162

Quote:

Originally Posted by cellardweller

You're logic is flawed because you are assuming they are killing the same mobs.

Previously Bot a killed mob a, mob b and mob c etc

Now Bot a kills mob 1 while bot b is killing mob b and bot c is killin mobc etc

They are getting 1/8 drops but killing 8 times faster.

And your logic is completely flawed because you assume that the map is completely open and that all the mobs are equal distance from the entry point. There WILL be overlaps because some maps are blocked off by mobs. So to get to the other mobs you HAVE to clear the ones already in the path first.

Your assumption that dividing the time a solo farmer can solo an area by 8 just because there is an 8 man team is completely flawed. Try again.

cellardweller

Likes naked dance offs

Join Date: Aug 2005

The Older Gamers [TOG]

20 Apr 2007 at 06:58 - 163

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Ernada

And your logic is completely flawed because you assume that the map is completely open and that all the mobs are equal distance from the entry point. There WILL be overlaps because some maps are blocked off by mobs. So to get to the other mobs you HAVE to clear the ones already in the path first.

Your assumption that dividing the time a solo farmer can solo an area by 8 just because there is an 8 man team is completely flawed. Try again.

Go walk outside the altrum ruins.

Abarra

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

Australia

Order of the immortal

N/Mo

20 Apr 2007 at 07:07 - 164

Point is when you have played the game several times, you want more, like nice armor or weapons or there's nothing to do and you quit. You don't make enough money playing the game for the armor so you need to make money somehow. Best way is to farm.

Now you can't

People will lose interest and dift away. Their client base will be a lot smaller come GW2 if they don't reverse this.

The Ernada

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

20 Apr 2007 at 07:08 - 165

Quote:

Originally Posted by cellardweller

Go walk outside the altrum ruins.

And Altrum ruins is the only place that is farmed?

Metalmaster

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2006

Guardians of the Stars

N/

20 Apr 2007 at 07:08 - 166

Some statistic for u, guys. Just finished my test smites run (using W/Rt, /bow to Witte

).

1) Run is much faster cause they don't run from VwK at all (Normal Mode ofc)
2) Drops r rly bad. All smite farmers know that usual profit from standart run is about 3,5-4k (-1k for entering fee) and lucky ecto(s), black dye, gem(s) and so on. I got 1.400 after selling all my loot

400 gold profit? yeah i like it
3) Tbh i got 2 ectos. I know i'm lucky

But i'm not going to do it anymore.

I don't rly care in general. My chars hv 15k armors, their heroes r fully equipped and my beloved necro has FoW armor. But i'm feeling sry for new players...

cellardweller

Likes naked dance offs

Join Date: Aug 2005

The Older Gamers [TOG]

20 Apr 2007 at 07:10 - 167

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Ernada

And Altrum ruins is the only place that is farmed?

Its one of the most heavily botted places around.

ShadowStorm

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Take me where I cannot stand.

The Better Part of Valor

W/N

20 Apr 2007 at 07:11 - 168

Even after this, I'm still going to solo farm new areas with my Warrior, just to show myself that I can.

Abarra

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

Australia

Order of the immortal

N/Mo

20 Apr 2007 at 07:12 - 169

also if you have nighfall you need to equip all your heroes for each character, that's weapons and runes just as basic... Where will you get the cash, you certainly don't get enough playign the game with no farming at all

Sea Edge

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

Black Eagles [BEG]

W/Me

20 Apr 2007 at 07:15 - 170

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Ernada

I have no clue if this has already been explained but the loot scaling was done for these reasons:

-Distribution of wealth. The majority of people who don't farm will now get more loot and wealth simply by playing.

-Discouraging farm bots. 'Nuff said.

-Encourage more PUGs and human teams in general. People have been complaining about lack of people to team up with. Now there's an incentive.

So who cares if solo farming has been nerfed. It has always been the lowest form of gameplay anyway.

Less farming means less items are available while the demand is the same, so prices will skyrocket and the average Joe can't afford to buy anything.

BTW solo ecto farmers. If you were lucky you got 1 ecto/run on average, now divide that by 8 and watch the prices. WTS ecto 50k/each. /sarcasm

Sk8tborderx

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

PA

Us Are Not [leet]

W/

20 Apr 2007 at 07:20 - 171

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sea Edge

Less farming means less items are available while the demand is the same, so prices will skyrocket and the average Joe can't afford to buy anything.

BTW solo ecto farmers. If you were lucky you got 1 ecto/run on average, now divide that by 8 and watch the prices. WTS ecto 50k/each. /sarcasm

Now, the most efficient way to farm UW would be a splinter/barrage team, they can clear UW including quests in about 2 hrs.

The best option for warriors would be to go in an IWAY group in UW/FoW, that takes about 2 1/2 hours to clear each area, including quests.

The Ernada

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

20 Apr 2007 at 07:22 - 172

Quote:

Originally Posted by cellardweller

Its one of the most heavily botted places around.

I just checked that area out. You can not get 8 separate mobs without overlap. Plus while the map is pretty open it's not completely open enough without having to clear a mob or two to be able to have 8 separate soloers. Plus the overlap in distances makes the 8 man botter a lot less efficient than the solo botter before.

Abarra

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

Australia

Order of the immortal

N/Mo

20 Apr 2007 at 07:24 - 173

Well done to Anet for turning their game into a one or two time playthrough RPG. Might as well bring it out on PS2 now they'll need to increase their sales somehow if they don't fix this and lose all their paying customers for future releases.

SpriteSODA

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2007

Israel

One Life To Live Again

Me/E

20 Apr 2007 at 07:27 - 174

when will the new pve mesmer skills will be introduced?

mighty xxl

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

Team Harmless[TH]

Mo/

20 Apr 2007 at 07:27 - 175

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metalmaster

I don't rly care in general. My chars hv 15k armors, their heroes r fully equipped and my beloved necro has FoW armor. But i'm feeling sry for new players...

I saw a few ppl saying they are sorry for the new players.... Why? They are new, they don't have many skills unlocked, they have no idea about "farming". They will just play the game, do missions with full parties and get money the old fashioned way. No need to feel sorry for them. It's just the other way around, i envy them

And all the other ppl bitchin about solo nerf... u make me laugh. For real. I've been farming solo for a long time now. I enjoyed it. No question about it. But after doing that for so long got me so bored... that i wanted to quit GW. But NO, i discover PvP. Then got into a guild with TS (Vent). When we weren't enough ppl to do some HA, GvG we went doing missions, farm, together. And let me tell you, it's a lot more fun. Solo-ing gets so boring after a while... So u have money, so u have FoW armors, so u have Treasure Hunter lvl 6. I bet that when u see a R2 Champion or a R9 tiger u are jealous...

And for all the ppl that will flame me... i enjoy PvE a lot. Solo farming, yes, a lot. Proof to that are my 2 accounts, 2 FoW armors, all PvE characters (i have all proffesions, all lvl 20) with at least one 15k armor. And i still want more... But i will not start bitching about solo farming. This game has a lot more than solo farming. There are many other ways to make money. You just need to discover them, not go spamming in ToA "Famine ranger looking for monk duo UW 50/50 ectos"

I think it's time for all you solo farmers to discover Guild Wars.
Have Fun!

manitoba1073

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

ManitobaShipyards Refit and Repair Station

(SFC)Star Fleet Command,(TDE)The Daggerfall elite,(SOoM)Secret order of Magi

20 Apr 2007 at 07:28 - 176

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaolin_Steve

No they got 1/8 before (if they were in a full group) and they get 1/8 now (whether the group is 1 or 8 it doesn't matter, your personal rate is the same).

The rate is the same as before, but they will do slightly better in hard mode since the chance of rares has been boosted slightly.

that is pretty much what i said. lol as long as that area is for a 8 man group.

Abarra

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

Australia

Order of the immortal

N/Mo

20 Apr 2007 at 07:29 - 177

Yes Mighty xxl but you had the farming, you got the armors now you can pvp. Others won't have the skills unlocked, won't have the armors and wont have the same opportunities you had. So stop being so selfish.

shadows of hob

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

Rocky (Dragon)Mountains

Mo/Me

20 Apr 2007 at 07:30 - 178

Worst update ever....No way for me now to get that obsidian armor anymore..... GG

With the changes to HA and now this update, most of the fun in both pvp and pve are gone.

(Diablo, here I come again)

I feel very sad, why??? Just why

cellardweller

Likes naked dance offs

Join Date: Aug 2005

The Older Gamers [TOG]

20 Apr 2007 at 07:35 - 179

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Ernada

I just checked that area out. You can not get 8 separate mobs without overlap. Plus while the map is pretty open it's not completely open enough without having to clear a mob or two to be able to have 8 separate soloers. Plus the overlap in distances makes the 8 man botter a lot less efficient than the solo botter before.

Going from memory here but:
Bot 1 takes the 2 mobs to the west
Bot 2 takes the 2 mobs to the east
Bot 3 takes the 2 mobs past the west mobs on the way to the nec boss
Bot 4 takes the rangers up the top
Bot 5/6 Move down the middle and take 2 of the groups in the centre each.
Bot 7 Goes with 5/6 uses holy haste to get up the ramp to the west and takes out the 2 groups there.
Bot 8 holy hastes up the east ramp and takes out the 2 groups there.

You could sqeeze and extra couple of bots in at the top of the northern stairs if they would allow 10 in a group.

Obviously the bots will be more sophisticated than they are right now, but I doubt it will slow them down for more than a week or so.

...Anyway I'm done arguing the point.

mighty xxl

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

Team Harmless[TH]

Mo/

20 Apr 2007 at 07:42 - 180

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abarra

Yes Mighty xxl but you had the farming, you got the armors now you can pvp. Others won't have the skills unlocked, won't have the armors and wont have the same opportunities you had. So stop being so selfish.

I am not selfish. Like i said, i want more. You think i will not like having another FoW? By all means YES!

brian78wa

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2006

Spirit Check

W/N

20 Apr 2007 at 08:24 - 181

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowStorm

Even after this, I'm still going to solo farm new areas with my Warrior, just to show myself that I can.

The nerf has absolutely nothing to do with not being ABLE to farm. Its that you wont get anywhere even remotely close to what you used to get as far as loot goes. I for one am seriously considering WoW(as much as I cant stand the game) because Anet keeps taking everything about GW that I find fun and fluching it down the toilet.

cheeze123

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

20 Apr 2007 at 08:27 - 182

Well this update wasn't all bad, right? At least we have hard mode now. Though, tbh I'm really not in the mood to redo all the missions on my all chars again heh.

Ok seriously though, these updates are killing the GW community that we have right now.

Abarra

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

Australia

Order of the immortal

N/Mo

20 Apr 2007 at 08:30 - 183

Yep GW is going further and further downhill in my opinion. It used to be fun and I enjoyed it. Now it's one nerf after another that keeps annoying the community. Anet seem to think that we'll keep taking it and settle down eventually because we still want to play.

Newsflash Anet there will come a point that the community will just leave.

Great way to get people onside to buy their expansion later in the year though o_O great marketing strategy - NOT!!!

brian78wa

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2006

Spirit Check

W/N

20 Apr 2007 at 08:35 - 184

Anet is trying to force us into pugs. What gets on my nerves about this is that they dont seem to relize that most pugs suck. I stopped pugging because 90% of the time I end up in a noob group to where half the people go left half go right then die somewhere in the middle. Yet if I go with Heroes/hench I get masters everytime first try.

Heres just one example of a pug that totally sucked.

I was in Vinuzah lfg thought id give it a shot and maybe recruit for guild. I said lf MM so this necro invites self and I asked what kind of necro he was. He says....(drumroll) Ranger. Wtf Ask for a MM and the necro is a ranger. This is a pug group for you.
Dont force us into these groups just so we can still only have 1/8th chance at getting a crappy drop and share the 60g that drops.

Another example.

My lvl 14 assassin was in Thirsty River I was lfg and everyone is like oh youre lvl 14 you cant do anything. I told them I can hold my own and kill fast. I found a group of all lvl 20s that let me in. We were at the last 2 groups. everyone died but me, thats right the crappy level 14 alive while all the superior lvl 20s lying flat on there back, I had used my rez already so it was me against the 2 groups. The priest was dead for ranger and the warrior group was left. I managed to wipe out both sides alone on my lvl 14. And That sin has survivor title now. So to recap. PUG all lvl 20 die lvl 14 saves the day. This is what you have to deal with in PUGs. No ty. Heroes ftw.

HKSdivision

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

20 Apr 2007 at 08:48 - 185

Quote:

Originally Posted by brian78wa

Anet is trying to force us into pugs. What gets on my nerves about this is that they dont seem to relize that most pugs suck. I stopped pugging because 90% of the time I end up in a noob group to where half the people go left half go right then die somewhere in the middle. Yet if I go with Heroes/hench I get masters everytime first try.

Heres just one example of a pug that totally sucked.

I was in Vinuzah lfg thought id give it a shot and maybe recruit for guild. I said lf MM so this necro invites self and I asked what kind of necro he was. He says....(drumroll) Ranger. Wtf Ask for a MM and the necro is a ranger. This is a pug group for you.
Dont force us into these groups just so we can still only have 1/8th chance at getting a crappy drop and share the 60g that drops.

Another example.

My lvl 14 assassin was in Thirsty River I was lfg and everyone is like oh youre lvl 14 you cant do anything. I told them I can hold my own and kill fast. I found a group of all lvl 20s that let me in. We were at the last 2 groups. everyone died but me, thats right the crappy level 14 alive while all the superior lvl 20s lying flat on there back, I had used my rez already so it was me against the 2 groups. The priest was dead for ranger and the warrior group was left. I managed to wipe out both sides alone on my lvl 14. And That sin has survivor title now. So to recap. PUG all lvl 20 die lvl 14 saves the day. This is what you have to deal with in PUGs. No ty. Heroes ftw.

Amen to that. Heroes ftw! I pretty much hero/henchied all of NF because PUGs are too stinking slow and stupid. The time that it took to finish a mission with a PUG took at least twice as long as I would have done with heroes and henchmen because I knew what to do in the mission but the PUG didn't know what was going on so they delayed everything.

GraceAlone

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Phoenix, AZ

Semper Reformanda [SeRe]

20 Apr 2007 at 09:09 - 186

I must admit that PUGs can really suck some times and I hero/hench 85% of my time. However one thing that I like to do is help out the newbies with their missions and show them the ropes. Just a few weeks ago I helped a newbie out in presear who didn't even know how to bring up the map.

Personally I do a moderate amount of farming because I enjoy the challenge and the loot is nice, but with this change I'm not sure if I'll farm much any more. Just for kicks I decided I wanted to play a new class and went with a necro. I played through all of factions without spending anything on weapons, armor, etc. I used nothing but collectors items until I got to House zu Heltzer and was able to buy the armor I wanted there. Even with not spending anything I only had about 5plat in actual gold. That amount won't even get you max armor! Thankfully for me I had money in the bank but if I was a brand new player I'd be very frustrated, and really, how many newbies are going to save their funds for max armor? Most of them upgrade any chance they get (I did with my first char)!

I guess the point of my ramblings is that it's going to make things harder for new players and it will take quiet some time for the "rich" to spend their money in such a way that the economy balances. Personally I think the GW economy is way out of proportion but that's a topic for another time</endRant>

Puddin Tame

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Wouldn't you like to know

Pretty Horsies Arouse Greatly

R/

20 Apr 2007 at 09:20 - 187

As a ranger*, someone who can't solo farm for shit and who is lucky to get 1 FoW group in 1-2 months, I feel the love from this patch.

*was a ranger for some 18 months and just got my W/Mo up to 20 for some farming><

GraceAlone

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Phoenix, AZ

Semper Reformanda [SeRe]

20 Apr 2007 at 09:27 - 188

Quote:

As a ranger*, someone who can't solo farm for shit and who is lucky to get 1 FoW group in 1-2 months, I feel the love from this patch.

*was a ranger for some 18 months and just got my W/Mo up to 20 for some farming><

Rangers can actually farm pretty well. Check out the farming section or just search youtube. You'll find tons of videos

I have a ranger that I love to play and trapping can be a lot of fun (seeing all the fireworks going off followed by lots of numbers and near instant death

) But now that won't be as much fun since the drops will stink.

Sir Domairman

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Wizards of the Gold Order

R/Mo

20 Apr 2007 at 09:50 - 189

I have a question... Why do we all suspect that ecto prices will skyrocket? They will simply lose their value as currency since getting FoW Armor has become much harder. People won't be motivated "playing the game normally" (sic) just so that they amass enough gold and materials and ectos to get a FoW armor...

Just a thought...

SoadLink

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

20 Apr 2007 at 09:51 - 190

What a pain in the ... this was

Redvex

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

R/

20 Apr 2007 at 10:20 - 191

Now A.net Must explain me how do i get Obsidian armor (that were difficult just before) and torment weapons.

RhanoctJocosa

Legendary Korean

Join Date: Aug 2006

The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

W/

20 Apr 2007 at 10:35 - 192

I must say, one of the best updates so far ANet; v.good job.

I was doing random missions on H/M earlier with friends and they are actually fun now. (Gg to E-burn spikes on Dragon Lair but oh well

)

As for the drop changes, soloing is meant to be for the challenge. Loot is a mere bonus. Tbh, if all you're interested in is going through dolyak---> vengeful wep ---> VwK -----> vengeful wep..... over and over for ecto then you need to stop and think about whether you're actually having fun. ~_~ JR's explanation of the new system is correct and is quite fine imo. If you still want to solo (because I admit some H/M places are too hard (as of now anyway) to solo like before) you can still do normal mode. Otherwise, just try running your old build with the help of heroes or real players. I was doing dual monk runs earlier today and, although there definately was a lesser bulk of drops, we still got 2 ectos and a black dye combined.

All in all, QQMOARPLZ and DoA H/M anyone?

RhanoctJocosa

Legendary Korean

Join Date: Aug 2006

The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

W/

20 Apr 2007 at 10:38 - 193

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redvex

Now A.net Must explain me how do i get Obsidian armor (that were difficult just before) and torment weapons.

You play HA and try to win HoH
You farm as per usual and try find rare weapons
You farm greens
You AB and sell materials
You material farm in UW/FoW just like before
You buy and sell off guru
You run people
You do vanquisher runs
You do services (from guru)

??????????????????????????????????????

Buce

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2006

A/

20 Apr 2007 at 10:51 - 194

My suspicion is getting reaffirm everytime Anet make changes. Why Anet hate farming is not the bots, but their server capacity. Eight players playing solo means eight instances, while eight people playing pugs need only one instance. How else they're going to support their expenses until GW2 arrives?

If not, why only 3 heroes that you can have, not seven? Loot reduction and Hard Mode are ways to force pugs. That what I would also do if I'm Anet. That's the cost of "free" on-line game.

RhanoctJocosa

Legendary Korean

Join Date: Aug 2006

The Benecia Renovatio [RenO]

W/

20 Apr 2007 at 10:57 - 195

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buce

My suspicion is getting reaffirm everytime Anet make changes. Why Anet hate farming is not the bots, but their server capacity. Eight players playing solo means eight instances, while eight people playing pugs need only one instance. How else they're going to support their expenses until GW2 arrives?

If not, why only 3 heroes that you can have, not seven? Loot reduction and Hard Mode are ways to force pugs. That what I would also do if I'm Anet. That's the cost of "free" on-line game.

Very nice observation. Someone donate money to poor old ANet

Surena

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

N/Me

20 Apr 2007 at 11:03 - 196

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redvex

Now A.net Must explain me how do i get Obsidian armor (that were difficult just before) and torment weapons.

They don't have to, not at all because it's not a requirement or something you need. Don't get it if it's too hard. If it's a welcome challenge, go for it, no matter what.

chichory

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/W

20 Apr 2007 at 11:19 - 197

Me and two friends cleared old ascalon, i got six golds, my friends got four and three (one left early). Not to mention enough purples to fill a charr bag or two. Could of been just luck but either way in terms of the new drop system, i am very happy

wynoski

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2006

In a hot spot

United Vanguard [UV]

N/

20 Apr 2007 at 11:21 - 198

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR

No, loot drops correlate to the number of people in your party. When you have a party of 8 the loot drops stay the same, for every person less the visible loot drops decrease a little.

Though whether or not dead party members are a way to circumvent this is interesting... I shall investigate.

You can still get drops if you are dead...you would need to have people map out, but A-net may still have that covered.

JR

Re:tired

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/

20 Apr 2007 at 11:25 - 199

Quote:

Originally Posted by wynoski

You can still get drops if you are dead...you would need to have people map out, but A-net may still have that covered.

Since then I have verified that it makes no difference. Regardless of the number of people you have in your party, be it full or just you solo, you will get the relative fraction of drops consistantly. In an 8 man zone you will now *always* get an eighth if the drops. In a four man zone you will *always* get a fourth.

Raxxman

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

TEOC

W/N

20 Apr 2007 at 11:28 - 200

doesn't that mean farm HM Ascalon?