Update - Thursday April 19, 2007

ensoriki

ensoriki

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Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

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20 Apr 2007 at 05:35 - 121
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Originally Posted by The Ernada
Is there not one day where you people don't overreact and jump to conclusions? It's hardly been a few hours and people are already proclaiming how it's impossible to get gold for their armor already. Can we get some sense back into this place?
See im poor never gone above 10k in the 1.5 years I owned the game and I know from beating factions and stuff I probably made 20-30k in total. I had to upgrade my armor because 25 shing je armor doesnt cut it in Raisu Palace.

1.5k each 5 pieces 7.5k to make full piece if my armors correct, but materials are costly so add another 3/4k to that 11k out of 20 lets say leaves me with 9k

I change my armor because I was noobish and did not realize importance of Survivor/radiant Gear and can't afford it. SO I farm AB so that I can sell Amber to the merchant -_-.

Im poor so I also buy skills and stuff, and I want to pvp but I worked hard on my char so I try to use it for pvp, but it has too little skills to compete so I buy em. after you buy 10 skills all Skills are 1k each theres more than 30 skills for each proff so to get them all for 1 prof is about 100k each....please show me where your getting all this money in single factions and then if u want some nice armor because you like to look well....

Its just not possible anymore. I may never get FoW armor, knew that already but Im sure someone else could've.

Omega X

Omega X

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Join Date: Jun 2005

Louisiana, USA

Boston Guild[BG]

W/Me

20 Apr 2007 at 05:36 - 122
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Originally Posted by The Great Al
Is hard mode just a money sink for people trying to get a chest title? 1.5k for a key, mandatory if you want to open a chest in HM, the % that you will retain it is pretty low, and the CHEST DROPS ARE NO BETTER THAN NORMAL MODE.
Hehehe...

I was saying to someone earlier that the money made from Hard Mode will go right into the lock picks. And getting a "Tome" that unlocks already unlocked elites has little use to me, unless its to get UAX on one character.

brian78wa

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2006

Spirit Check

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20 Apr 2007 at 05:39 - 123
Quote:
Originally Posted by ensoriki
wha wha wait...

So I can bring a bunch of heroes with me now

And let them all get killed... and then farm -_-

Well this sets the economy back to the stone ages -_-.
No you cant. They heroes will get the loot like normal. And if you send them away to where they are greyed out you STILL get less loot. this really pisses me off. This is how I make my money is by farming.

The Great Al

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ALOA

E/Me

20 Apr 2007 at 05:39 - 124
At 1.5k a pop, having a few tracks of TH and Lucky should boost the chance of the key not breaking to 50%, imo...that way after having a few title levels, the keys average out to 750 each.

Kool Pajamas

Kool Pajamas

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Maryland

Mage Elites [MAGE]

20 Apr 2007 at 05:42 - 125
This is awesome. Now there is a reason for doing fow/uw in groups of 8. This solo stuff ruined GW. Now maybe I'll consider pve again.

Shaolin_Steve

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

ELG

W/Mo

20 Apr 2007 at 05:45 - 126
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ernada
Is there not one day where you people don't overreact and jump to conclusions? It's hardly been a few hours and people are already proclaiming how it's impossible to get gold for their armor already. Can we get some sense back into this place?
I've been reading these posts and am ready to throw my 2 cents in there. I've tried some of the new tweaks and was like many here enjoying hard mode after worrying it would be too much to do at once. My worries were unfounded its pretty cool.

I got back into the game in January after an 8 month layoff. Cantha had not agreed with me - Elona however was a godsend. I've been playing it for 4 months now and am still not bored. Many many things to do - titles to acquire. I even started up HB last weekend with the faction doubling and had a really good time. But I support all these damn heroes and nifty armor sets with money from farming. I just started an ele and have spent the usual - 30k or so for 4 new heroes. I'm cranking thru the early Elona missions and see the update so I try my hand. I like the hard mode - beat Elona mission 1 easily - crappy drops. Get my ass handed to me in the gate of Pain hard mode, ok thats cool I'll try again with guildies.

I checked the forum, and sure enough - my farming points have been whacked with the big old Anet Nerf Bat (tm). The biggest nerf of all I would agree with whoever said that. I don't want to be a dramatic sniffler, bit damn that really took the wind outta my sails.

What it means to me is I save time I woudlve farmed, but I lose out on most all greens, cool weaps, cool armors, etc.. I can live with that - but my time spent on GW will likely dwindle, then drop to nothing.

Just in time for summer!

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

20 Apr 2007 at 05:46 - 127
It looks like the scaling system is based on a max party. The Hard Mode enemies in Ascalon with a four person party drop the same amount of gold - 100 to 120 - at around the same rate as the later areas of the game with an 8 person party. I was able to make about 5k in 30 minutes because of this (that included merchant food).

It looks like my new farming spots are starting areas.....I never thought I'd be doing that...

And also, since this thread is about the update in general, I'd like to claim that the sound is pretty glitchy. I'm hearing half the sounds I used to at max settings.

cellardweller

cellardweller

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The Older Gamers [TOG]

20 Apr 2007 at 05:47 - 128
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ernada
I have no clue if this has already been explained but the loot scaling was done for these reasons:
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ernada
-Distribution of wealth. The majority of people who don't farm will now get more loot and wealth simply by playing.
If anything, the distribution of wealth will widen now. The rich are already rich and now the poor have no way to make up the difference.

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Originally Posted by The Ernada
-Discouraging farm bots. 'Nuff said.
If I was running a bot farming factory, I would just be sending out my bots in teams of 8 now, netting 0 change in my income.

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Originally Posted by The Ernada
-Encourage more PUGs and human teams in general. People have been complaining about lack of people to team up with. Now there's an incentive.
It encorages large teams, It does nothing to encorage human teams.

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Originally Posted by The Ernada
So who cares if solo farming has been nerfed. It has always been the lowest form of gameplay anyway.
Its been a pastime of thousands while they wait for people to play with.

The Ernada

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

20 Apr 2007 at 05:55 - 129
Quote:
Originally Posted by cellardweller
If anything, the distribution of wealth will widen now. The rich are already rich and now the poor have no way to make up the difference.
Why would they need to "make up the difference?" It's not a competition and e-peen contest. And the poor will have more gold than they did before just from playing the game. The poor are poor because they dont farm.


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Originally Posted by cellardweller
If I was running a bot farming factory, I would just be sending out my bots in teams of 8 now, netting 0 change in my income.
And that team of 8 will have much less profit than they did before when they were solo farmers from before. I mean if the change in income was 0, then why are you solo farmers complaining instead of teaming up with others then?


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Originally Posted by cellardweller
It encorages large teams, It does nothing to encorage human teams.
As I said before, mileage varies from person to person. Some prefer to play with people. Some prefer A.I. But it won't be solo farming anymore.

sumasage

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

20 Apr 2007 at 05:59 - 130
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ernada
Also dont forget that the average drop rate for rares has increased for Hard Mode:
While normal mode is even easier to farm now:
It is easier to farm but you get 1/8 chance of getting a drop vs before you get 8/8 chances to get the drop. If drops are better in hard mode then they wasted their time fixing the "random" drop issue.

Playing with hero/hench is enjoyable because they dont leave (due to whatever reason) or act stupid. I enjoy playing with hero/hench because i can explore at my own pace and not worry about wasting other people's time.

Hope some official will clear thing up soon.

CyberNigma

Jungle Guide

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W/R

20 Apr 2007 at 06:01 - 131
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Originally Posted by JR
A solo farmer will now get 1/8th of the loot they used to.

I think that is clearly enough.
or a full part of 8 gets 8 more than they used to.. it could go either way, though I haven't tested to see which is true...

brian78wa

Banned

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20 Apr 2007 at 06:03 - 132
Quote:
Originally Posted by ensoriki
Solo Farming is not dead dudes

Take your henchies, But don't make them fight

Just leave them somewhere around the area, you still get your loot.
Wrong. you still only get 1/8th drops. I tried it with dead sword farming out of each group of 8 spirits I have been getting 1-3drops.

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Originally Posted by Hiotoko
Flag henchies off your map and you're set.
Again wrong.
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Originally Posted by Enchanted Warrior
Basically it looks like they levelled the playing feild and some die hard farmers will not be happy.. Me personally, I couldn't give a rats ... LOL

Once you get rid of the loot monster in your soul, you like the game a whole lot more
Actually solo farming was part of the fun in the game and now they take it away. Seems like theyre getting rid of everything that made the game fun. I for one am not having much fun these days.
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Originally Posted by Sk8tborderx
OK, I just tried to flag heros/henchies away, no matter what you only get 1/8 of the drops.

This has pretty much taken the fun out of game, maybe it is too early to tell, but I enjoy soloing, and now I am being punished for it.
100% agree

Solo farming has always been fun to do and this is how alot of people get there money for there armor,weapons, heroes etc. Now this is gone. So now you have to be in a group of 8 to have a slight chance at getting something.
I know when I go in groups I rarely get anything. Soloing was my only means of money. Not only that but I dont like going in groups cause half the people that play this game suck royally. I do not like having to depend on some idiot who thinks a necro should be wielding a bow(and not for pulling). Leave normal mode alone and make these really BAD changes in hardmode.

Shaolin_Steve

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

ELG

W/Mo

20 Apr 2007 at 06:03 - 133
Quote:
Originally Posted by cellardweller
If I was running a bot farming factory, I would just be sending out my bots in teams of 8 now, netting 0 change in my income.
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ernada
And that team of 8 will have much less profit than they did before when they were solo farmers from before. I mean if the change in income was 0, then why are you solo farmers complaining instead of teaming up with others then?
I have to agree with Ernada, even if I don't agree with any of his opinions. What's more efficent?

-1 solo player making 8/8 drops (before the nerf)
-8 players making 1/8 each for a total of 8/8 (after the nerf)

Seems to be 1/8 as much output per player. Now they should kill faster of course, but not likely 8x as fast. So they will be far less efficient.

Shaolin_Steve

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

ELG

W/Mo

20 Apr 2007 at 06:05 - 134
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberNigma
or a full part of 8 gets 8 more than they used to.. it could go either way, though I haven't tested to see which is true...
No they don't. see post above....

ensoriki

ensoriki

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Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

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20 Apr 2007 at 06:07 - 135
Why would they need to "make up the difference?" It's not a competition and e-peen contest. And the poor will have more gold than they did before just from playing the game. The poor are poor because they dont farm.
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lol, talk about how who cares about this and now your going there poor because they dont farm.... well they cant now anyways.

Its not about being a competition With global Inflation NEW comers can't catch up to afford anything.

If lets say RUbies went up to 15k each now instead of the 5 they were before, well a new comer could find a way to farm up the distance, Not the case now.

And you barely get gold from playing the game other than missions and quests.


1) A LOT of the quests are BLOOOOOODY BORING, see that I did a english thing I said Bloody.

2) You can't keep getting mission rewards!

3)no fat chic-...

When people can't keep up with the inflation theres a problem because now all the market circles in a group while every1 else looks around for scraps...it's what I've been doing.

Abarra

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Join Date: Mar 2006

Australia

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N/Mo

20 Apr 2007 at 06:08 - 136
OK look at it like this

You buy GW

YOu play through with a few characters - k fine so far

then what?

hmm time to get some nice armor so you need to farm... oh youcan't cos it's been nerfed and to get 15k armor you need to give up my life to farm now and you're not doing that and for FoW armor well forget it...

OK so you go play wow or some other game that has some longevity and the ability to get some cash.

Anet have just taken the longevity out of their game, the only thing that keeps their customers going to the next expansion or the new GW2. Way to shoot yourself in the foot Anet

The Ernada

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

20 Apr 2007 at 06:09 - 137
Ok I might have sounded harsh against anyone who liked farming. I have nothing against it and I have nothing against people who like farming. But you have to realize that it has the lowest priority compared to everything else in the game. If ANET wants to solve the bot problem and give more wealth to people who play the game normally while screwing solo farming, you'll just have to accept that.

cellardweller

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The Older Gamers [TOG]

20 Apr 2007 at 06:09 - 138
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ernada
Why would they need to "make up the difference?" It's not a competition and e-peen contest. And the poor will have more gold than they did before just from playing the game. The poor are poor because they dont farm.
Because everyone operates in the same market, a player without access to the comparable amounts of wealth will never be able to afford the same items because they'll get out bid every time.

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ernada
And that team of 8 will have much less profit than they did before when they were solo farmers from before. I mean if the change in income was 0, then why are you solo farmers complaining instead of teaming up with others then?
There is no reason for a team of 8 bots to have any less profit. They are all soloing their own mobs independent of one another. Solo farmers on the other hand enjoy the freedom of solo farming, as is their perogative. A bot does not need to enjoy it self.

The Ernada

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

20 Apr 2007 at 06:12 - 139
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Originally Posted by ensoriki
lol, talk about how who cares about this and now your going there poor because they dont farm.... well they cant now anyways.
Who says they need to farm at all to afford anything now? And what's a better system? A system where you can afford stuff just by playing the game normally doing quests and missions. Or a system where you HAVE to farm just to afford stuff?

bam23

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

20 Apr 2007 at 06:15 - 140
They handled it the wrong way imo.

The Ernada

Jungle Guide

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20 Apr 2007 at 06:15 - 141
Quote:
Originally Posted by cellardweller
Because everyone operates in the same market, a player without access to the comparable amounts of wealth will never be able to afford the same items because they'll get out bid every time.
You make it sound like the economy is completely player driven. It's not. There are NPC merchants and traders. And from the bulk of players complaining, it's complaints that they can't get armor. And last I checked, only NPCs sold armor, not players.


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Originally Posted by cellardweller
There is no reason for a team of 8 bots to have any less profit. They are all soloing their own mobs independent of one another. Solo farmers on the other hand enjoy the freedom of solo farming, as is their perogative. A bot does not need to enjoy it self.
I already explained this to you. And see Shaolin_Steve's post for further explaination.

Abarra

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N/Mo

20 Apr 2007 at 06:16 - 142
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ernada
Who says they need to farm at all to afford anything now? And what's a better system? A system where you can afford stuff just by playing the game normally doing quests and missions. Or a system where you HAVE to farm just to afford stuff?
OK you get no more cash by playing the game normally. You get the same as before, farmers just get less. So now you can't afford stuff nor can farmers. Ectos will sky rocket and so will materials and other things. It's bad all round not just for farmers.

ulath

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jan 2006

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20 Apr 2007 at 06:17 - 143
good update.. the hard mode was something that pve needed, now only if we could add 4 more heroes to our party.. seems abit dumb to have all of them and just have them slacking... hrmph!

And because of the farming nerf, why not lower the skilltrader cost? 1k per skill, hey that's a ripoff!

ensoriki

ensoriki

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Canada bro.

A/D

20 Apr 2007 at 06:18 - 144
U cant get everything u need just by playing the game now tho.

Abarra

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N/Mo

20 Apr 2007 at 06:19 - 145
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ernada
You make it sound like the economy is completely player driven. It's not. There are NPC merchants and traders. And from the bulk of players complaining, it's complaints that they can't get armor. And last I checked, only NPCs sold armor, not players.


er... the economy is player driven. That's why they had to roll back the game when the merchants reset and everyone bought ectos cheap. The buy cheap sell at normal prices 'would have ruined the game economy' they said. So they couldn't just reset the npc, they had to roll back the game to make sure people didn't get cheap ectos and the people ruin the economy.

Sk8tborderx

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20 Apr 2007 at 06:20 - 146
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ernada
Who says they need to farm at all to afford anything now? And what's a better system? A system where you can afford stuff just by playing the game normally doing quests and missions. Or a system where you HAVE to farm just to afford stuff?
The best option would be to scale the drops UP, solo farmers would still get the same amount of drops, and if you were in a full party, the drop rate from monsters increases for every other person in the party, so you still get the same amount of drops.

The way it is now, the drops scale DOWN, no matter what you only get 1/8 of the drops, that is what people are pissed about.

Noz Crow

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R/Mo

20 Apr 2007 at 06:27 - 147
I think Anet will have a relations nightmare in the morning when the masses wake up to try their former favorite game. I really don't mind as my 8 toons are set with everything they need, but new people and people that want to try new classes are scewed.

cellardweller

cellardweller

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The Older Gamers [TOG]

20 Apr 2007 at 06:27 - 148
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ernada
You make it sound like the economy is completely player driven. It's not. There are NPC merchants and traders. And from the bulk of players complaining, it's complaints that they can't get armor. And last I checked, only NPCs sold armor, not players.
Armour makes up only the bottom eschelon of the market. The weapons market is where people need money



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I already explained this to you. And see Shaolin_Steve's post for further explaination.
And obviously you didn't read my rebuttle - I'll speak slower...
Old world
8 monk bots can each solo instance each. The instance consists of 8 mobs. Each can do it in 32 minutes and gets 16k for the run.
1 bot = 500g/min

New world
8 monk bots enter and instance with 8 mobs and spread out, each soloing one mob in 4 minutes and gets 2k for the run.
1 bot = 500g/min

Abarra

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N/Mo

20 Apr 2007 at 06:28 - 149
yep if the scaled the drops UP I'd have no problem

The Ernada

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

20 Apr 2007 at 06:31 - 150
Seems like you guys forgot a lot of other updates:


Hard Mode Loot

* The average number of uncommon and rare items has been increased in Hard mode.
* While in Hard mode, the number of gemstones that players receive from chests after defeating each region of the Domain of Anguish has been doubled.

More loot and gemstones in general from hard mode.

Alternate Elite Mission Access

* Bosses in Hard mode now drop Underworld and Fissure of Woe Passage Scrolls. These scrolls allow a party to enter these realms even if their territory does not have the favor of the gods.

* The Kurzick Bureaucrat [Faction Rewards] in House zu Heltzer now offers Passage Scrolls into Urgoz's Warren. Players may exchange 1,000 Kurzick faction to obtain one of these scrolls, which will transport one person to the outpost.

* The Luxon Scavenger [Faction Rewards] in Cavalon now offers Passage Scrolls into the Deep. Players may exchange 1,000 Luxon faction to obtain one of these scrolls, which will transport one person to the outpost.

Now getting into those elite areas is even easier, especially not having to have favour for FOW. People can farm those areas 24/7. Still want to say ectos will rise sky high?

And if you're worried about the repeating anti-farming code, fear no more:


* Repeated map entry no longer reduces loot.



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Originally Posted by cellardweller
And obviously you didn't read my rebuttle - I'll speak slower...
Speak as slow as you want. Doesnt make what you said any less inaccurate.

ensoriki

ensoriki

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Join Date: Aug 2006

Canada bro.

A/D

20 Apr 2007 at 06:37 - 151
No one was forgetting them.

The Drop rate has LOWERED meaning that increased drop rate stuff is just Horse...DOO DOO at the moment.

Im hoping this is a glitch because I want the farmers to make money, because there are nice farmers who sometimes give me free stuff ^.^ and us Hobos Salute them.

Casual players could farm for like an hour and come out with some cash, now unless your a hardcore gamer its still gonna suck a load for u.

Roshi_ikkyu

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

Mo/W

20 Apr 2007 at 06:37 - 152
hmmm I just died four times in an AREA, not a mission not a quest! And I was given the return to outpsot option box, instead of respawning at a shrine... interesting

manitoba1073

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20 Apr 2007 at 06:38 - 153
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ernada
Who says they need to farm at all to afford anything now? And what's a better system? A system where you can afford stuff just by playing the game normally doing quests and missions. Or a system where you HAVE to farm just to afford stuff?
Ok I get you are not getting what is actually going on here as some other people dont dont either. Anerf really didnt do anything to the drops but 1 thing only. THEY MADE IT WHERE U GET 1/8 DROPS REGARDLESS of how many people in ur group in an 8 man area. They scaled the drop rates down. Not up but scaled them down. By doing so they screwed everyone over. not just the solo farmers but everyone. ie- even if u go in a 7/8 group you will still only get 1/8 the drops.

cellardweller

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The Older Gamers [TOG]

20 Apr 2007 at 06:43 - 154
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ernada
Speak as slow as you want. Doesnt make what you said any less inaccurate.
Thats strange, because I've yet to see you come up with any facts to refute any of the counterarguments for this change yet.

Namingly and in order of importance
1) Removes a popular source of enjoyment.
2) Increases the gap between the rich and the poor.
3) Does nothing to slow bots once their scripts have been updated.

Shaolin_Steve

Frost Gate Guardian

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ELG

W/Mo

20 Apr 2007 at 06:46 - 155
Quote:
Originally Posted by manitoba1073
Ok I get you are not getting what is actually going on here as some other people dont dont either. Anerf really didnt do anything to the drops but 1 thing only. THEY MADE IT WHERE U GET 1/8 DROPS REGARDLESS of how many people in ur group in an 8 man area. They scaled the drop rates down. Not up but scaled them down. By doing so they screwed everyone over. not just the solo farmers but everyone. ie- even if u go in a 7/8 group you will still only get 1/8 the drops.
No they got 1/8 before (if they were in a full group) and they get 1/8 now (whether the group is 1 or 8 it doesn't matter, your personal rate is the same).

The rate is the same as before, but they will do slightly better in hard mode since the chance of rares has been boosted slightly.

Kali Magdalene

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Washington

N/

20 Apr 2007 at 06:47 - 156
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ernada
People who DONT farm arent going to miss anything now will they? The average player doesnt farm a whole lot. They just play the game. Remember the statistics that most people in the game only have 20k on average?
And this is relevant how, exactly?

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Time is the major obstacle not boredom. This will cut down their profits per hour.
Of course it will cut them down, but that doesn't really matter. They'll still be able to churn out piles of gold and drops compared to everyone else - and in fact more because time really isn't an obstacle when you don't have to sit at the computer to farm. This change does not harm botting nearly as much as it affects normal farming.

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Mileage may vary from person to person.
This is completely meaningless. It's vapid.

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Yes, I guess there is a lot of eyerolling and caring.
So are you just trolling here? I mean in this thread, not this sentence.

The Ernada

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

20 Apr 2007 at 06:48 - 157
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaolin_Steve
No they got 1/8 before (if they were in a full group) and they get 1/8 now (whether the group is 1 or 8 it doesn't matter, your personal rate is the same).

The rate is the same as before, but they will do slightly better in hard mode since the chance of rares has been boosted slightly.
Thank you for explaining that so simply. I was tired of repeating myself.

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Originally Posted by Kali Magdalene
So are you just trolling here? I mean in this thread, not this sentence.
Why is it that every time I disagree with someone, someone will ALWAYS pull the troll card? Don't like my opinions? Fine.

Calling someone a troll is just a veiled form of flaming someone without looking like you're flaming. Except it's too obvious now.

ensoriki

ensoriki

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Canada bro.

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20 Apr 2007 at 06:50 - 158
Man seriously, Im almost sure this is a freaking glitch because it makes no sense other whys.

Although this is the same A-net who won't give assassins a buff to even Shadow refuge -_- Boost the conditional heal is all I ask and I dont give a crap if u nuke PVE with Osama blood.

JR

JR

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20 Apr 2007 at 06:51 - 159
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberNigma
or a full part of 8 gets 8 more than they used to.. it could go either way, though I haven't tested to see which is true...
No really. When I say something it's generally right.

bart

bart

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

20 Apr 2007 at 06:55 - 160
The reason why i continued playing GW when i finished the game, ie killed the last boss, credits rolled... is because i could farm for the good stuff. I'm sure thats what other ppl do as well. Seeing as now i only get 1/8 drops of what i used to get it which means it will take me 8x longer to make what i used to make in one hour you can't blame ppl for being pissed. thats 8 hours play for what used to be 1 hour. Also one of the interesting thing that keeps ppl in the game is to find the right combination of skills, ie solo builds, in order to solo different kind of monsters to get different kinds of loot. Why would they be motivated to test new builds when there is no incentive. i might as well take a wammo with heroes and go do missions over and over again. Honestly how many gold items drop from missions? so what is ur regular-player-who-farms going to do now? create another character and go through the game again? after that you do that for the 3rd time then what? delete a character and do it again? I'll be vomiting blood tbh...