PvP Now Rewards PvE Skins: ATS

There are all kind of unique skinned weapons that drop that PVE players can use for PVP. The problem then becomes that once you can just create a rare skinned weapon at will, then people start selling them, then the economy fluctuating and being shot to hell. that is the only reason that PVE characters have to buy their equipment and armors and such... is so that the game economy doesnt crash.... think about it. What other way would u have in this game to make money if you can insta create anything you want too? there would be no point to PVE at all then. This game would be boring after the first time you go through the storyline because you have everything instantly... Whereas a pvp character has everything because we cannot go into a pvp battle with a 1-2 damage sword and starter armor and survive. So a pvp only character gets swords, mods, armor, runes, etc... to use instantly... but you have to either unlock them in PVE by finding them, or use balth faction to unlock them... which isnt the case with the new reward system armors. In these you youse reward points to unlock them. you only get these points by participating in the Automated Tournaments. So basically if a PVP player wants them, then they have to work for them, just like a pve player does. With some of the competition going around in the GVG AT's (dont know nor do i care about the hvh at's as they are a joke of a pvp selection and should never be given the thought they have been), you have to be able to do really well in the AT's in order to be able to recieve anything. So in a way we have to be able to farm good too. we have to farm our reward points enough to be able to get the things we want, the same as a pve player has to farm gold or items to get what they want. and no it doesnt happen instantly, it takes time.

Correct me if im wrong, but once you buy a set of armor for your PVE character, the next time you want to use it, is that armor gone or do you still have it? you have it until you get rid of it. so a PVP only character has their stuff until they get rid of it. simple... Same with weapons.

Because the idea isnt feesible for 3 reasons.

1.) is that some things drop a dime a dozen, while other things rarely if ever drop. so therefore unlocking certian items will take much longer than others, thus the reasoning behind our economy to where you can buy them. so by this logic if i bought it i can unlock it, someone who ebays gold then technically has the advantage because he can unlock more things faster than you can. Thus throwing the Economy out of whack.
2.) is that once a PVE character has an item, why on earth do you need that same item again? once you buy it, its yours until you get rid of it. so therefore you dont need to create a bunch of the same thing unless youre tryign to sell it and make money off it. Thus the economy again.
3.) is that said players arent unlocking these things with faction. If you read, and i stress READING THE DAMNED THING, that you get them through reward points, which you only get by participating in the AT's.
Ok, outside of the prophecies armors, which i agree should be updated, you can buy any canthan armor and any nightfall armor in any different stats and have the same skin. if you did buy this armor and got the wrong stats, then its honestly no ones fault but your own for not getting the correct armor with the correct stats. so if you want 15k canthan for your monk, why not get 15k with the stats you know youre going to need and not have to worry about having to recreate this armor over and over again... Most things in this game need only one or 2 armor sets, mostly one set that works for every situation that you can come across... and thats the +health armor. theres nothing in this game that you cant do, outside of 55 farm, that you need anything other than the +health armor which in my opinion, is the best armor set they could introduce, no matter what the armor skin.
This isnt your fault, my fault, or anyone elses fault but their own. Honestly if people are dumb enough not to equip themselves to fit the build they need with all the cheap items floating around now, then its their own fault and having this ability available will not help them otherwise. It does not take a rocket scientist to do a little looking around to be able to figure out what youll need to play a sword warrior or a prot monk or a fire ele. if they cant figure this out on their own, then you nor i will be able to help them either.


This is a personal comment that im adding in here:


Anyone who knows me can tell you that im one of the nicest people youll ever meet. Im also one of the most blunt youll ever meet only because i believe in the freedom of speech and im not afraid to just tell someone how it is. If youre bad or have a dumbass idea, then i tell you youre bad and have a dumbass idea. Youre entitled to your opinion as am I, but there are some of these things just require a little common sense and thinking before being randomly thrown out the window, which i have seen in a few posts that were just honestly nonsense... But if i have offended anyone or if anyone felt i went too far, then i will say that it isnt a personal insult towards you or what you decide to do in a game that you paid for, its just being honest and obvious.

Okay... so I read the first page only. You guys who feel "ripped off", because of the hours you spent earning your 15k/FoW armor and getting those skins and such.... you do realize that ANY PvE player can go and do that... then play in GvG.

What about the people, like myself, who spend 100's of hours doing PvP. The rewards we get are more skills... I've been wanting this change for a very long time, and I'm glad it's come around. This is only going to affect the best PvPers. Now, instead of those long hours grinding FoW/UW to get your FoW armor, people now have the option to spend those long hours doing something they actually enjoy, and get a better reward for it.

Also, again, to those who feel ripped off. Are you saying that during your year of having the best gear of the highest Tier in GvG before anyone else who only PvPed, you guys STILL feel ripped off? You were able to tough it out, and deal with the grind when we couldn't, and got the same reward we get 1 year later, however we now have to spend that same amount of time that you did grinding, PvPing. This update isn't going to just HAND us those skins. Just like someone in the first page mentioned, I'm sure many of these skins are going to be 1000's of points. Unlocking ALL of them, will be no easy task... infact... I'd be willing to say it'll be harder getting FoW on a PvP character than it is to get on a PvE.

I don't understand how there can be this much uproar over something that will never effect a PvE player's gameplay. This is purely cosmetics; the people winning those ATs are going to be the really good players who have been around forever during the times when AI was most exploitable, got really rich, bought all the sweet stuff, and already run around with their decked out PvE toons. Or chest runs before keys, or buying ectos on America and selling them on Europe for an inflated price, etc etc...

But apparently because some PvPers are going to look good eventually after grinding countless tournaments, actually using skill over spamming LA or trippling chopping trolls or mashing prot spirit we have an issue? Grow up, stop playing barbie, and play the freaking game. Seriously.

lmao. The large variety of skins (vanity) was meant to be PvE rewards for accomplishments in PvE.

As many people have stated: PvP was for functionality, PvE was for Vanity. Let me have a J menu where I can recreate any weapon/inscription I payed for or found whenever I want. I can unlock things in PvE for PvP, things in PvP for PvP, and now PvE things in PvP for PvP.

Where are my unlocks for PvE? Why can't I create items over and over (even just those common skins) with any inscription/mod/insignia/rune I want on any PvE character? Why? Because I have vanity. A large variety of skins that I can choose from. However, if I want three War Axes (Elemental, Vamp, Zealous 15^50 +30hp) I can't simply create them. I have to buy them or farm for collector's ones. And then I still need the Hafts/Grips. Same goes for armor, I have to farm the money to buy the materials/runes(/insignias)/armor cost. Not to mention multiple characters.

I've said it before, I'll say it again: I'm not too worried yet. I still have some faith that ArenaNet will not make the choice of allowing all skins to be unlockable (rare skins such as FoW/15k and Crystalline/Torment Weapons should be excluded).

EDIT: I would also like to say that I am still laughing at how well ArenaNet is covering PvP problems with these types of things. The PvPers who are posting here about how great this is and how PvEers should stop "QQing" and how it wont affect PvE in the slightest totally fell for it.

So basically you want the PvE skins for PvP but don't want to give PvE the PvP skins. You being greedy much?

So why would anyone want to PvE if they can get all those skins in PvP? Not only would they get them for one character in PvP but any PvP character and they have control on the stats for that item. "There would literally be no point" in playing PvE.... though people would play PvE because they find it fun just as people would still play HA because they find it fun and they get titles as well.

This is Racthoh, arguably the best known PvE-er in the game. Think about that for a second, guys, before you make your next post.

Fine then i want Zodiac and elemental swords to drop from the HOH chest...

Again this goes to the ok fine... you get PVE skins that i cant get in a PVP area. if you get our reward skins from Halls, then we should be able to get elemental swords and zodiac weapons and tormented weapons from your elite areas.
You didnt suggest it, about a dozen other people suggested it and it honestly makes no sense...
Yes you do have those, and you also have special items in those like Zodiac items and tormented weapons... You have these areas because anet realized that people might just want to stay in PVE and not PVP. Thats fine. Personally I want more items and areas for PVE. But why is it that the PVP players recieve a special area with special drops, and its suddenly wrong that we have these? Most PVP players have one or two PVE toons to play through the game with. Personally i have 7, and i have 3 PVP slots (i bought 2 more just for extra PVP slots) and yes i took the time to make all my pve characters PVP ready. some characters i didnt liek to play in pve... so if i ever played one in PVP i had a slot for it. or if it calls for a build ive never even thought of for a pve character, then ill roll a pvp only toon. But this being said, why not use those special weapons or sell them to outfit my PVE characters? The PVP players selling the special items that drop from our area allows people access to having these items, much like PVE players selling them allows PVP players to have them. You either go there and play to get it, or buy it. It works the same for PVE and PVP. you only get what you want by investing either the time or money you put into it. works that way in life too.
Yes i may have gone a little far with that comment, and if my posts get deleted or i get banned than i deserve it, but there has been an elitest attitude from both sides shown in this thread and leads to nothing productive and thus ends in a 12 page flamefest. I have tried to bring this back to reality several times by stating the obvious. We dont know what the skins are that PVP players can unlock, they cannot be sold or the mods salvaged, the higher end items from elite areas will most likely not even be on the unlock list. Most likely it will be any weapons you can create from a weapon a weaponsmith... aka the katana, cleaver, hammer, holy branch, winged staff, lotus staff, etc... anythign that the PVE community already has readily available to them and that wont destroy the rare item market. I have also stated that no one, PVE or PVP should jump to any speculation or rumors about killing the game or crashing the market untill we get more info and have more facts, which right now we dont, yet everyone is fully ready to jump all over it saying what a travisty it is and how it will destroy the game if it happens...

This has already been gone over and over and have had several posts and replies to it.
No we are still aware of the problems and anet's botched attempt to cover it up. This just gives us something hopeful among the mess of shit we currently have.

Funny how people can get so excited over a bunch of pixel for what is essentially a dying game...

The point that is being missed though...is that BOTH sides are just wanting things to be a bit more balanced in "rewards". Yes they are 2 different games and anyone that really says that they aren't hasn't really looked.

For over 2 years now, nearly every thread/argument has had the standard answer of

PvP is functional and PvE is vanity. One is for skill of the player, and the other is for character development...which by the way is crap. Now that fundamental setup is being changed. PvE toons still have play hours and hours on end to even come close to surviving PvP, and the only reward for rolling out a PvE toon for PvP was the vanity of being "different."

There is no longer a defining reason to make a PvE toon, except to play over the same content a kazillion times, in hopes of getting a rare skinned item, which quite possibly will be one of the skins PvP can now use. And acquiring skills for PvP or working on titles...oh yeah. Cheaper and easier just get the PvP version next time.

Whatever items they chose I stick by the kick in the face to both sides. I would have loved to see PvP only vanity skins rolled out...would have been great to see what they come up with. It remains to be seen what will be coming or what it will do.

See both sides of the argument, neither side wants to feel like their faithful hours on hours of play have been for nothing. Though I think we are all learning if there is something we want in GW, to just sit back and wait until enough people complain about it being unfair, and it will change.

On a side note this thread has nothing on doomsaying next to the ZOMG, GW2 is coming threads...LOL.

Happy Hunting All!!!

You see Yichi , The problem is the exclusivity of the stuff. No one is saying PvPers shouldnt have them. Hell I dont give 2 skales to the wind if PvPers get them as long as certain rules are followed that are game basics. Such as them not being so much as unlocks for accounts but for only that char and are customized to that PvP char. Which is how it works for PvE chars armor. Theres a big difference when its just for 1 char than for account wide. Now for weapons I say if its availiable in side it needs to be availiable in the other side plain and simple, and thats where You and the other PvPers are having the problem getting.


Now for the Spoiler- from the PSBN(Pre-Sear Bunny Network) for those that didnt know. They way I said the armors should work is the new rumor from the PSBN, so that means that the armors the PvPer's will only be for that character and when they delete or remake it they will have to re-earn it for any other chars. ENJOY YOUR HAPPY NEW ARMORS

Wow, so many dumb things people are saying in this thread. And with 'dumb things', I mean things that were already announced but everybody seems to disregard it.

1) You do NOT get the skins with Faction. You get them with Tournament points.
2) You get Tournament points from winning matches in tournaments. This is not easy. This takes actual skills. I was actually planning on writing something like "Omg noes! Did you hear that, pvers, somethings has to take skill! omg noes!" but I thought it was too offensive.

Oops, I said it.
3) ALL skins will be available. If you say 'We do not know which skins will be available yet', you need to read more.
4) You do NOT get tournament points from HA, unlike some people here thought.
5) PvP players cannot play PvE
6) Thus, all Pvers can just their skins in the places that were made for them, without PvPers spoiling their fun.
7) It wasn't ANet's idea that people would farm. ANet wants people to form groups and take out bosses, not solo-farm with some lame build. They DO want people to play tournaments. So which side has more right to gain skins? Think over this yourself.
8) Yes, 1, 2, 3, 2, 3, 2, 3 is a toucher.
9) Prot spirit isn't the vital flaw that makes the 55-monk viable, it's the intentional dropping of health. It's like saying that Aegis should be nerfed because of GolE (yes, I know that was me saying it, but I think that aegis is strong overally.).

have u been reading this thread.....
Have you ever made a PVP only character? when you do, come back to this though and re-read the stupidity here.... Any item thats created to a PVP only character is automatically customized for that character, just like PVE armor is... and the idea of having it only available per 1 character is retarted. so i should go farm hundreds of hours to get said thing again... id go play PVE if i wanted to do that and at least make some money off it.... and no the problem isnt that people are saying that it should be allowed on both sides. Its very funny all the PVE toons want to have the PVP items because they dont want to PVP... But i bring up the fact that certian PVE only skins are available to only PVE that PVP players cant get unless we buy them and holy sheepnuts..... not a word even mentioned.... so no its not us that are having a problem, its the PVE community thats having the problem in realizing that this in no way effects their gameplay nor their economy, nor is everything equal....
The Pre-Sear Bunny Network... Can i have some of the drugs you take....Seriously ill pay u for them...

You basically said the same thing for the weapons, and i basically just shot you in the foot. Im sorry., Enjoy your crutches.

Why yes i have and apparantly you are the one whos having the problem with reading and comprehesion.


Why yes I have but it was very long ago, and yes i know all about the customizing of the items for PvP. However the difference from PvP and PvE through there customization ends there. I have gotten FoW on my monk but that does not mean I should be given it for any other character free of charge, and that there lies in the difference of the customization of the PvP and PvE. And reading comprehesion is a must need for you I guess as I said that if its availiable in one part of the game it should aslo be availiable in the other. Now does it effect the PvE side of things if you get to unlock FoW(example or any other type of armor) for all your characters from a single unlock and reuse it multiple types, OH HELL YES IT DOES. As it would be the same as I remake a PvE char and want to use the old armor from my previous character. Now if we were able to use the armor again like that then no it wouldnt be a problem. There is no difference in grinding for either AT points in PvP or gold and items in PvE. Its all still just a grind.

Well I'm glad you can dismiss what the pre-sear bunny says. but a word of wisdom though, when hes said stuff hes not been wrong yet.

Oh quite wrong, I'm not the one thats needing the crutches. But ill be kind and offer you a bit of fresh air once you pull that head outa where the Anerf fanboys like to hangout.

I would love to read more. Please point me to your source. Otherwise: We do not know which skins will be available yet.

Umm correct me if im wrong, but if you had read the past 13 pages, you would have seem the countless posts of the PVE community bitching and didnt want PVP to have this unless they got something... so yes I am fully comprehending that it is being brought up that people dont want the PVP community to have this...
So ok I agree that youre not wanting every char to have FoW armor on your account just because your monk has it. I agree. But where in the blue hell did FoW armor even come up as an item to be unlocked. What does FoW armor even have to do with a PVP only character since they cant go into FoW.... Ok so by your logic if you have a monk that has completed the game and has max armor and weapon and all cities and such unlocked, you should be given the right to delete that monk at will, rename it, and have everything you had on your old monk.... Comparing a PVP character to a PVE character is like comparing apples to oranges... A PVE character takes work yes, but they get 95% more out of the game than a PVP only character gets. A PVP only character is ment to use only in a PVP situation and misses that 95% of the game that a PVP player paid for... so since only until recently they added PVP only editions... they missed out on EVERYTHING in the game because they didnt want to PVE and youre saying thats fair and that its a fault because they prefered a different playstyle than you, that they be given a couple more skins to chose from... so then basically anyone that does PVP only, should have the char selection lowered to one armor type thats different from any other armor in the game since all chapter 1 characters can access said armor, that way we dont offend anyone who has a 1.5k judges set and wants to look different than a PVP only character.... The point of a PVP character is that in PVP there is enough grind. Theres fame, fighting your way up the ladder, winning a tournament.... so i should have to grind everytime i needed to roll a PVP only character because i didnt have a PVE one that i could use in my build... So fine if i have to grind every time i want to use a PVP character because he has different unlocks that might offend someone, than i want to be able to take my PVP character out into towns and outposts. If im going to have to refarm all my stuff, it would be quicker to buy it.
Honestly, i have never heard of this drug-induced, hallosinagenic rabbit before. When he has anythign of importance to say, ill listen... but only if i can get those drugs off you... otherwise ill miss him again as last time i was in presear was 2 years ago....
Oh yes im the biggest ANET fanboi, let me tell you. Ive never pointed out where they have ever made a mistake, or ever criticised them for not delivering somethign on time, imbalancing their game, not giving a shit to fix it.... nope never done that. heres a clue. click on my name and hit view profile. go read some of the posts i have made. when they did somethign right, i applauded it. When they did somethign wrong, i called them on it... maybe if you werent such a PVE fanboi yourself and actually tried to think of the otherside of things (sorry i forgot 99% of PVE cant do this) then you wouldnt have made this as much of an issue as u did. (and dont try to tell me that i havent agreed and suggested that things be fair for both sides and didnt try to balance anythign between pve and pvp with my posts, because then ill know u never read this thread and felt like boosting your postcount)

as far as i am aware, unlocking the skin will just allow it to be picked when you press 'J', ie instead of a short sword skin u can have a xxxxx. realy it makes f'all difference, stop making urselfs worried over jack


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zzz pve. the entire point of pve is to make your characters look good in pvp. now anet have skipped the middleman.

you guys need to cry less.

i so fail to see the point of all this whining..
lock thread and unlock when the rewards dude shows up?

No. You mean the only reason you would play PvE is so you can look good in PvP. As far as I've seen, there are far more PvEers than PvPers (I'm in American Districts, not sure how other servers are). I'm sure many of them aren't PvEing so they can go PvP. Sorry.

P.S. Obviously it is impossible to tell how many guilds have GvG-only players.

Do you PvP much? If not, why do you think you should have an opinion in this discussion?

You earn the ectos, we earn the tourny points, I don't see a massive difference. I'm thinking it will be a helluva lot harder to get enough points to get a set of PvP FoW than to farm 100 ectos and shards.

Yes I do, I play a fair share of both PvP and PvE. I don't get into high end of either, however (I wont give up my life to a game so I can become l33t). Whether I PvP or not has nothing to do with this discussion. You just seem to have the idea that the only point of PvE is to look nice in PvP; not true.

I think what they meant is that once you unlock it with tournament points you can recreate it on any other PvP character. And as many times as you want (just like any other unlockable).

He was joking in an inflamatory way, don't take it to heart ;D

Everybody's entitled to an opinion, no? I just believe that grinding the same missions over and over doesn't achieve anything other than frustration.


edit: skuld <3

Grinding the same mission is boring. Grinding it for different reasons is not (Protector, Guardian, Getting to the next area). At least in my opinion. That isn't the only aspect of PvE, though. Just like I see fame as nothing more than an e-peen enlarger. But that's not the only aspect of PvP.

And PVE titles, Fancy armor, Different dyes, and Exotic Weapons are not?

I burst a blood vessel reading the entirety of this thread. The amount of flaming, tears, and other rage over something so cosmetically trivial is astounding. In no way is there any decent, actual discussion taking place - and people with a solid grasp of the game as a whole have given their view of this as something minor. That probably means something.

In closing, I'd like to say;

PvE is serious business.