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Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

09 May 2007 at 20:02 - 161

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Originally Posted by fb2000

well, the "PvP skins" could be just that -> say a PvP Sword with a Crystalline skin, still blue, still PvP Sword in the name, just the "skin" being that of a crystalline.. am I the only one that reads the description like this?

they didnt say pvp items or pve items skins or soemthing, could be a mistake on their part tho.

anyway, cool down a bit and lets see. if its like I suppose it could be, most of your issues will work out just ok

Uh. Duh. The point of a skin is so that it looks like a Crystaline.

fb2000

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

09 May 2007 at 20:04 - 162

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

Uh. Duh. The point of a skin is so that it looks like a Crystaline.

yes, I guess owning a customized Blue sword req9 with the crystalline sword skin is something to worry about..

i also dont really get it what gets you so worried, keeping in mind you/we know absolutely nothing about the actual prices/skins/way this works. (yar imma do /B on them as u did, its fashionable)

Narcism

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2005

Ottawa, ON, Canada

Mostly Harmless

W/

09 May 2007 at 20:08 - 163

Quote:

Originally Posted by fb2000

yes, I guess owning a customized Blue sword req9 with the crystalline sword skin is something to worry about..

I have a crystalline sword (called a long sword) from pre searing and I can put it on any pvp caster. Of course, this must be a problem?

lightblade

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

The Etereal Guard

Me/Mo

09 May 2007 at 20:11 - 164

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Originally Posted by Spazzer

I think this is a great idea, and it won't affect pve players in the slightest.

Why must we always find a reason to complain? ?_?

Yea...except the drop in ecto price >.>

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

09 May 2007 at 20:12 - 165

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Originally Posted by SirJackassIII

Gather information on the total amount of skills ever nerfed for PvE. I'll give you a hint, it's a total of 2 (!!!), whereas the main skill for a crapload of farmbuilds (PS) remains unnerfed due to protest from PvP'ers saying it'd break the skill. Every suggestion ever made about a possible change for PS has been shot down by PvP'ers.

This is because if you read the skill description and learn how the skill acts, in the skills design, it works flawlessly. there is nothing broken about it. The brokenness comes from the ability to take advantage of this by lowering your health to a point where you take virtually no damage and can be able to regenerate health faster than the enemies can deal it. The skill is working fine, its the game mechanics that allow this skill to be abused in this way.

SirJackassIII

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Belgium

none

N/E

09 May 2007 at 20:13 - 166

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcism

I have a crystalline sword (called a long sword) from pre searing and I can put it on any pvp caster. Of course, this must be a problem?

No, because the stats are crap.
The name really doesn't matter much, you'll have a max damage 15^50 req 9 sword with a Chrystaline skin, something PvE'ers can't even get even if they wanted to (best is purple from Kilroy chests, try getting 15^50 low req on a purple...).

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Originally Posted by MistressYichi

This is because if you read the skill description and learn how the skill acts, in the skills design, it works flawlessly. there is nothing broken about it. The brokenness comes from the ability to take advantage of this by lowering your health to a point where you take virtually no damage and can be able to regenerate health faster than the enemies can deal it. The skill is working fine, its the game mechanics that allow this skill to be abused in this way.

Then explain why trying to "balance" this skill for PvE gets shot down? Mid you, it's proposals like "Target loses a minimum of 20 HP if PS is triggered" or the SB change of it ending after 10 hits.

TheBaron82

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

09 May 2007 at 20:14 - 167

You guys making it sounds like they're giving away free reward points. If a runic skin cost like 2k reward points, it is much better if you spend those time farming.

Ec]-[oMaN

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Toronto, Ont.

[DT][pT][jT][Grim][Nion]

W/

09 May 2007 at 20:20 - 168

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Originally Posted by Retribution X

I spend a few hundred hours farming for a 15>50 req 8 sephis axe. it sells for around 500k.

That's great, I spend a few hours if that in hard mode and farm for my req12 15^50 sephis axe, it sells for around nothing, what's your point? Your sephis is still worth more than mine. The skins them selves won't be devalued, in PVE it's a combination of both that determines the cost, not to mention which campaign said item is dropped or where it can be found.

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Originally Posted by Retribution X

I'd wager a guess, it's not that hard to get this skin in PvP. I'd also wager a guess, that when this gets implemented, the only "Elite Skins" PvE'rs will have is Unique greens.

Guess all you want until we know the facts what you think/or say upon the issue means little. How the .... do you know what REWARD point TIER the sephis is going to fall under, plz...

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Originally Posted by Retribution X

And what the hell do you know about why I PvE? I PvE to get rare, super cool items that nobody else has that they all want. But with this, now everyone and their grandmother will have a brute, or a crystaline, or an elemental sword...

Please take notice to what I have typed in my last post, I asked why do you PVE? with a question mark, thanks for trying to flame me followed by a followup I obviously already knew.

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Originally Posted by Retribution X

I don't think I should be considered "leet sauce" because I wear 15k armor. I think PvE should be the only ones to have access to it though.

You're entitled to your thoughts surely. It's still crying though.

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Originally Posted by Retribution X

How would you feel if all us PvE'rs got rank/faction 10 times faster than you? I'd bet you'd be pissed.

Don't mention rank because that's a different subject.
PVP'ers don't gain faction faster than gold, wtf crack do you smoke. Since this isn't about turning faction in, it's ABOUT REWARD POINTS, and you still have no freaken clue how they are gained.

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Originally Posted by Retribution X

How about another analogy. You operate in store A because of item X. Store B gets item X and sells it for half the price, but they have their own currency, and no way to exchange your currency into that currency. Wouldn't you protest too?

Your analogy sucks balls, it fails in the sense that already PVP and PVE are two different gameplay MODES, and that anyways they currently already have separate currency, suck it up and play both? You are trying to argue with some one who does both here. You still seem to think these skins will come easy.

crimsonfilms

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

09 May 2007 at 20:23 - 169

Again, PvErs talking about PvP which they have little or no experience.

"Oh no! My FoW is not unique anymore like the 3 dozen W/Mo in Temple of Ages D6! Oh No"

There is no legitimate complain! Only sour grapes.

And BTW - ANet can take it back. PvPers don't care much as fixing the AT system (incredibly broken), more balance please, PvP map fixes, grind fest just to even have a decent build, etc.

LAWL on PvErs think PvP get more stuff. If I only paid for PvP content in each campaign- it would be worth about $10 out of the $50. And most of that is skills - imbalance skills that gets fixed months later. You get a freaking continent, skins, voice acting, more music, etc, etc.

Bruce Leeroy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

09 May 2007 at 20:32 - 170

I hope there is a chest somewhere in PvE that will have the slightest possibility to drop a mini Ghostly Hero! Then I would be all for this!

Nekretaal

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

09 May 2007 at 20:36 - 171

I think the pvp players posting in this thread are loking at it the wrong way.

Suppose the skins offered are: Storm Bow, Firey Dragon Sword, and Chaos Axe. You go ahead and win one of the 4-a day ATS... beating high ranked guilds and low ranked IQ smurfs along the way and your reward for demonstrating your skill is something every RA lamer already has?

I guess its nice that you can look like a RA lamer (if you win several GVG tournaments against the best in the world playing at the time), instead of the boring weapons you have been looking at for 2 year now, but... (1) is the vanity of making any character you roll look like a RA lamer really going to motivate you to play pvp (2) is this the type of reward structure that you want for pvp (is this better than, say, the ladder) and (3) are the resources spent on pvp best used by giving pvp shiny objects (and minipets!) instead of fixing real issues?

As long as the pvp skins are available in pVE, they have no special status effect for pvp... Dont you want to win something that conveys "I won this trophy because I am a winner?" and not "I got something for free that I didnt have to farm XXX hours for (but I might be a faker who just farmed it or scammed it from some loser in Lions Arch)?"

Giving pvp a reward of a skin that is already available in pvE is a lame reward for pvp players.

If excellence in pvp is to be indicated with a visual status, then that visual status better indicate excellence in pvp!!! (especially since pvE skins are essentially replacing the ladder for all real purposes).

Anet better rethink offering pvE skins to pvp players as a reward for wining matches in ATS. These vanity items dont even convey vanity. Its a lame reward considering that previous pvp tournaments have offered real world cash or unique items.

Give unique pvp skins to winners of pvp ATS tournments! Not some recycled pvE crapola! PvE doesnt deserve its rewards being watered down, and pvp ought to demand more than that.

And, also, Make sure that the winners of the GVG ATS tournments dont get the same unique skins that the winners of hero battles ATS tournaments! Thats equally lame!

l Batman l

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

09 May 2007 at 20:37 - 172

People are speculating way too much. . . the system isn't even out yet.

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

09 May 2007 at 20:41 - 173

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirJackassIII

Then explain why trying to "balance" this skill for PvE gets shot down? Mid you, it's proposals like "Target loses a minimum of 20 HP if PS is triggered" or the SB change of it ending after 10 hits.

Because if you read at all what I wrote, and knew anything about the skill and the way it functions, then you would know that it is balanced for pve and pvp. its the game mechanics that allow it to be abused, not the skill. the skill works as it is intended to do. the brokenness of the game mechanics that allow you to have 55hp to where you dont take any damage that you cant have mending and heal breeze to overpower it, it the problem, not the skill.

Ravengar Silvertree

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2006

Washington USA

Demon Dawg Knights [DAWG]

09 May 2007 at 20:41 - 174

Well, I'm not one to flame Anet, but this update is pretty lame for people that spent months farming a complete collection of Chaos axes, Fellblades, and Mursaat hammers of every possible mod for PVP [Hint, me]. If they wanted this feature they should have done it from the start instead of screwing people over. I hope at the very least 15k armor isn't available.

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

09 May 2007 at 20:43 - 175

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Originally Posted by MistressYichi

And a PVP player sacrafices the full content that they paid for when buying the game. Besides, ANET has already said that the Design-A-Weapon contest winners would be implimented into the game at some point. There are countless skins that have been chosen to be implimented into the game, yet we havent seen them. who says that a few of these wont be added to keep the super rare PVE skins their rarity, and give pvp players a little more to look at than a 5" long sword, and a huge square shield thats almost as tall as my character.

Its a sacrifice BY CHOICE. The same choice that the PvE character made.

You arent forced to play only pvp. You arent forced to play only pve.

Its a player's choices and theres pros and cons for their choices.

Those PvPers who hate to play PvE should not be given access to items thats difficult to get in PvE since they refuse to play it in the first place.

The comparison that PvErs should have a chance at rank emotes without playing PvP is a perfectly valid example of this same principle.

The PvEr refuses to play PvP, but wants the rank emote. Anet should then allow PvErs a chance to get PvP rank emotes without going to PvP.

Just like the PvPer who refuses to play PvE but wants vanity equipment. Anet has now allowed PvPers a chance to get vanity equipment without playing PvE.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Rank emotes and PvP titles are unique to players who play pvp. (not to say only pvpers will have access to it, those who play both have access also)

Rare skins/vanity items and PvE titles are unique to players who play pve. (not to say only pvers will have access to it, those who play both have access also)

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

on a side note: I LOVE the [wiki]Tower Shield[/wiki] and id love an inscribable version.

Narcism

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2005

Ottawa, ON, Canada

Mostly Harmless

W/

09 May 2007 at 20:46 - 176

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Originally Posted by replica

How about another analogy. You operate in store A because of item X. Store B gets item X and sells it for half the price, but they have their own currency, and no way to exchange your currency into that currency. Wouldn't you protest too?

Selling?

It's more along the lines of.

Store A sells item X to target demographic M.
0.05% of target demographic N can get this item as a result of skill, so can 0.005% of target demographic M

Store A posts on forums proclaiming how life is unfair and they're treated like garbage.

Diddy bow

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

Jawsome!!!!!!!!!!!

looking for one :p

A/D

09 May 2007 at 20:47 - 177

suddenly loot scaling and insription weapons dont look so bad :/

Narcism

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2005

Ottawa, ON, Canada

Mostly Harmless

W/

09 May 2007 at 20:52 - 178

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Originally Posted by Ravengar Silvertree

Well, I'm not one to flame Anet, but this update is pretty lame for people that spent months farming a complete collection of Chaos axes, Fellblades, and Mursaat hammers of every possible mod for PVP [Hint, me]. If they wanted this feature they should have done it from the start instead of screwing people over. I hope at the very least 15k armor isn't available.

I hope the fact that the only teams you fight on a sub-1000 ranked guild will consist of mostly 4 npc's that wont' care about your weapons. Rest assured, YOULL BE OKAY.

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

09 May 2007 at 20:56 - 179

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcism

I hope the fact that the only teams you fight on a sub-1000 ranked guild will consist of mostly 4 npc's that wont' care about your weapons. Rest assured, YOULL BE OKAY.

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument by attacking or appealing to the person making the argument, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument. It is most commonly used to refer specifically to the ad hominem abusive, or argumentum ad personam, which consists of criticizing or personally attacking an argument's proponent in an attempt to discredit that argument.

Ravengar's point remains valid. You need to stick to the point instead of insulting him.

Address the point why marginalizing a player's achievements is ok.

Narcism

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2005

Ottawa, ON, Canada

Mostly Harmless

W/

09 May 2007 at 21:01 - 180

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument by attacking or appealing to the person making the argument, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument. It is most commonly used to refer specifically to the ad hominem abusive, or argumentum ad personam, which consists of criticizing or personally attacking an argument's proponent in an attempt to discredit that argument.

Ravengar's point remains valid. You need to stick to the point instead of insulting him.

Okay, coming from someone who use gothic axes, chaos axes, fellblades and brute swords on his pve toon in pvp(me), ravengar is being selfish.

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Address the point why marginalizing a player's achievements is ok.

Because pointing something like that out, not only makes me feel good about MYSELF, BUT ALSO puts the other person down and lets them know they're in no position to make silly comments about game design.

crimsonfilms

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

09 May 2007 at 21:05 - 181

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the person", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument by attacking or appealing to the person making the argument, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument. It is most commonly used to refer specifically to the ad hominem abusive, or argumentum ad personam, which consists of criticizing or personally attacking an argument's proponent in an attempt to discredit that argument.

Ravengar's point remains valid. You need to stick to the point instead of insulting him.

Address the point why marginalizing a player's achievements is ok.

Uhm yea, now he can actually spend time learning to PvP - so he can get the same crap on his other chars. Wow!

Why is he complaining again?

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

09 May 2007 at 21:05 - 182

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcism

Okay, coming from someone who use gothic axes, chaos axes, fellblades and brute swords on his pve toon in pvp(me), ravengar is being selfish.

Selfishness is irrelevant. The point still remains.

Address the point.

Why is marginalizing something that took effort (and time) ok to do?

crimsonfilms

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

09 May 2007 at 21:15 - 183

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

Selfishness is irrelevant. The point still remains.

Address the point.

Why is marginalizing something that took effort (and time) ok to do?

Uhm, since it does not modify current PvE chars - you are right selfishness is irrelevant thus the QQing over the reward. Thus no reason to complain since its just a selfish(thus irrelevant) argument.

Quantum Duck

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Err7

Me/

09 May 2007 at 21:20 - 184

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

Why is marginalizing something that took effort (and time) ok to do?

If awards were being handed to only one side for nothing while the other side worked for it, I'd see a point here. But I fail to see how allowing an alternative method of seeking to aquiring an award marginalizes any previous method of aquiring that reward.

Taki

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

N/Me

09 May 2007 at 21:27 - 185

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Skullcrasher

I thought it's a good thing to reward both PvP and PvE side regardless what our preference are!!

QFE. Your parents raised you right.

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The point is this.

In a PvP environment, with UAX, PvP has readily access to more skills, more weapon mods, more runes and armor mods than a PVE character who is stuck with their primary and has to buy runes, armor and weapon mods.

They are supposed to. Remember all the hype about being able to skip story mode and jump right into the action with a max-level PvP character? This along with player skill over time spent was emphasised anywhere and everywhere leading up to the release of Guild Wars. But that was far from the truth. Not only did you have to unlock weapon mods and runes but you even had to unlock skills. SKILLS!!! Skills you needed to play the game but didn't have access to. What kind of sick twisted shit is that?

You don't start a fighting game with 10/100 possible moves; you don't begin a game of chess with missing pieces; you don't start a game of counter-strike/UT/Quake with a knife and have to stab people just to unlock a gun to fight properly. But you do if you play Guild Wars. And not only did you have to unlock all this shit but you had to do so at painfully slow, frustrating rate.

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The PVE player sacrifices flexibility for vanity.

No. The PvE player sacrifces flexibility for the experience of story mode.

I had more but my internet connection died and I can't be bothered to retype. Everything has already been said anyway, somewhere between the filth.

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

09 May 2007 at 21:28 - 186

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

Selfishness is irrelevant. The point still remains.

Address the point.

Why is marginalizing something that took effort (and time) ok to do?

Exactically how is your PVE character marginalized because a few skins will be available to PVP players and NO ONE has a clue as to what these skins are.....

Swift Thief

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2007

Aatxe Pirates [YaRR]

A/

09 May 2007 at 21:31 - 187

Can people stop complaining, this is a free new update. If you don't want different skins on a PvP character, then you don't have to get them. It's your choice really, this did nothing bad.

Hell Raiser

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

[PHNX]

Mo/

09 May 2007 at 21:34 - 188

Imo this is just ArenaNet's way of shadowing the PvP problems. You PvPers are falling for it. You have new skins to unlock, yet there are so many balancing and bug problems. Are you seriously happy?!

I highly doubt new skins will include Crystalline/FoW armor, my guess is something like Forked Sword/1.5k Sunspear. I don't believe Anet said anything about ALL skins being unlockable. Just adding a few of the lower-end skins gives a lot of variety.

I do a fair share of both PvP and PvE. I don't like doing just one side, it gets boring. Doing both keeps things interesting. I find the PvE community a lot better, except the high end (DoA-type) people. And high end PvP is just terrible.

The thing I'm loling at right now is HvH, it's a total joke. I'm still pondering why Anet is putting so much into it. Imo HvH is the most laughable addition to PvP since RA. Especially in its current state. Now they are doing real money prizes? Meh, I guess this is a different discussion.

Tempy

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Oregon

DOH

09 May 2007 at 21:37 - 189

*wonders just how many PvP'ers would be bitching if the roles were reversed. Imagine any PvE toon gets the first PvP rank emote at level 20, the next one at 10 skill points above that, and so on and on. Open to everyone, ohhhh boo hoo you worked to get that flashy emote...oh well

Icy DS

Banned

Join Date: May 2006

I run conjure assassins in Hero Battles kthx

me talk lyke dis bcoz ylke evr1 else do lyke ok?

A/E

09 May 2007 at 21:41 - 190

Wammos' Stop Complaining And Learn To Change Your Secondary!

kthx

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

09 May 2007 at 21:47 - 191

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempy

*wonders just how many PvP'ers would be bitching if the roles were reversed. Imagine any PvE toon gets the first PvP rank emote at level 20, the next one at 10 skill points above that, and so on and on. Open to everyone, ohhhh boo hoo you worked to get that flashy emote...oh well

Because getting to lvl 20 takes so much skill whereas fighting to get fame in a Player vs Player (note no ai or missions or monsters... aparently people dont grasp this concept...) doesnt.... /end sarcasm...

this is the type of stupid ass comments that derail a topic when it comes to pvp. its when pve fans come in and make off the wall dumbass comments liek this that turns things into a flame war.

Here I can make one paragraph to put this to rest...

All they announced is that pvp only characters will have the ability to unlock different skins than the standard generic ones we already have. NO WHERE did ANET every say that it would be a rare skin. No where did anet every say that the skin would be so outstanding that the pvp community will be the only ones to have such a thing. No where does it say that they wont be just normal skins aka wingblade, cleaver, ball hammer, etc... that you dont find a dime a dozen in PVE already... or basic 1.5k armors that arent in the character selection menu, aka 1.5k istani and sunspear.... Instead of just running off and jumping to conclusions when they announce that you can unlock new PVP weapon skins, why not just wait abotu things and gather your information first. Then if it becomes a problem afterwards, then bitch about it...

Icy DS

Banned

Join Date: May 2006

I run conjure assassins in Hero Battles kthx

me talk lyke dis bcoz ylke evr1 else do lyke ok?

A/E

09 May 2007 at 21:55 - 192

As for the role reversal comment...

Who cares about emotes anymore...I stopped tombing 2 years ago...hell, give all pvers tigers i don't care.

Hell is tombs even in the game anymore?

Oh btw, to the guy who said tombs takes skill, go take a look on obs mode, any pver who can complete a campaign (believe it or not they are far and few between) can get easily 100/day running searing flames.

Tombs died 2 years ago, the only people still playing:

A) Like the tombing and do it for enjoyment

B) Are small dicked fame drones looking to enlarge their epeen

Tempy

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

Oregon

DOH

09 May 2007 at 21:57 - 193

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistressYichi

Because getting to lvl 20 takes so much skill whereas fighting to get fame in a Player vs Player (note no ai or missions or monsters... aparently people dont grasp this concept...) doesnt.... /end sarcasm...

BTW, IWAY (and alot of the other FotM builds)didn't take skill, and as already brought up, too many people have paid for their ranks...so in the same token, standing back letting your friends or person(s) you paid to get your rank is SOOOOOO hard.

I did both aspects of the game, and actually earned my rank the hard way. PvP was killed a long time ago, but cheating any PvE only items to give to PvP is another kick in the face to PvE, and to a point one to PvP too. Too bad they can't come up with a real way to demonstrate skill and ability, one that can't be bought or gimmicked.

Bruce Leeroy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

09 May 2007 at 22:00 - 194

I want to unlock mini Ghostly Hero for my PvE toon!

Shadis

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

09 May 2007 at 22:06 - 195

PvE'ers should get Fame and Faction for completing the late game PvE areas. Also a large chest should spawn for them at the conclusion of each area containing Sigils, rare skinned weapons, miniatures (formerly only available to PvP players) and practically anything else in the game.

Why not? It's only fair.

Narcism

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2005

Ottawa, ON, Canada

Mostly Harmless

W/

09 May 2007 at 22:24 - 196

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadis

PvE'ers should get Fame and Faction for completing the late game PvE areas. Also a large chest should spawn for them at the conclusion of each area containing Sigils, rare skinned weapons, miniatures (formerly only available to PvP players) and practically anything else in the game.

Why not? It's only fair.

Are you waiting for a PvP player to say: OH NO YOU CANT DO THAT? So you can post and then say SEE THE POINT I WAS GETTING AT.

But seriously, I don't know a pvp player who would give a shit about this.

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

09 May 2007 at 22:24 - 197

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tempy

BTW, IWAY (and alot of the other FotM builds)didn't take skill, and as already brought up, too many people have paid for their ranks...so in the same token, standing back letting your friends or person(s) you paid to get your rank is SOOOOOO hard.

I did both aspects of the game, and actually earned my rank the hard way. PvP was killed a long time ago, but cheating any PvE only items to give to PvP is another kick in the face to PvE, and to a point one to PvP too. Too bad they can't come up with a real way to demonstrate skill and ability, one that can't be bought or gimmicked.

IWAY took way more skill to play effectively against 8 other players, than doing some stupid missions/quests to get expierence.... so yes these 2 corilate perfectly as to why PVE chars should get fame and rank in PVE eventhough its a PVP only reward. NO WHERE in the game does it say that weapons are only limited to PVE. Thats the difference.

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Originally Posted by Shadis

PvE'ers should get Fame and Faction for completing the late game PvE areas. Also a large chest should spawn for them at the conclusion of each area containing Sigils, rare skinned weapons, miniatures (formerly only available to PvP players) and practically anything else in the game.

Why not? It's only fair.

OK and honestly WTF would be the point of this. Because yes high end elite PVE only areas translate into PVP success. Honestly are u RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing retarted? because youre seriously acting like it. This is honestly one of the stupidest comments ive seen in this thread and trust me there have been a lot.

This debate is simple. There is no proof that high end pve skins will be available to be unlocked. It isnt going to kill the economy and cause everything to be worthless... It will just be different skins other than the gladius, war axe, etc.... Besides, we have no idea which skins will be available, due to this fact.....

THIS UPDATE HASNT BEEN RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOING IMPLIMENTED YET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Enciah

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

aNeT

W/

09 May 2007 at 22:43 - 198

Having weapon/armor with pve skin on pvp character is fine.

i'm tired to change 20/20 to fire damage, 10%... on PVE Weapon, or having 3 or more different weapon with the same rare and expenssive skin just because you need different stat and builds are always changing!
PVE skins that you can customise when you want without platine and ectos and lot of farming, time is really nice.

pve's: hours of farming--> crystalline bought
pvp's: same time of pvp--> same crystalline unlock ......I think it's fair!

seut

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Europa

09 May 2007 at 22:51 - 199

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Originally Posted by Icy DS

Hell is tombs even in the game anymore?

Yes, it's a pve farming area

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Originally Posted by Narcism

But seriously, I don't know a pvp player who would give a shit about this.

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. If you want an example about PvP'ers whining about PvE changes, read the announcement for changing the Razah quest on the tgh forum.

But people should really wait and see how these skin unlocks will turn out requirement and selection wise. Anet's words are usually bigger than the deeds and people expecting rare skins unlocked in a week will be pretty disappointed.
On the other hand, with Anet giving in to long term player requests like unlockable skins for a cheap promotion of their ATS, we might see other reasonable requests from the PvE side turned into reality (insignia armor and inscription items in cantha & tyria, removal of the favour system, etc.).

Taurucis

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

The edge of reason

I don't play any more.

W/E

09 May 2007 at 23:12 - 200

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Originally Posted by MistressYichi

Wow have you people honestly listened to yourself in this thread?

Look heres the deal. you get reward points based on your positioning in the AT's. Any monkey with a brain can figure this out. its based just like the points system in say nascar, baseball's win loss ratio, etc.... The better you do, the more points you get. simple. It will take a vast amount of points to be able to unlock anything, so not only do you have to grind it and farm it like a PVE player would do to get a certain weapon to sell, YOU ALSO HAVE TO BE GOOD AND WIN to at least place high enough to recieve rewards points. Seriously... its not like someone is going to have a PVP only char, go win 5 matches in RA and be like "OMG!!!! I GETZ A ELEMENTAL SWERD!!!!!!1" I love how everyone thinks that its only going to take an hour or so to be able to unlock everything. Ill remind you again, go to the tournament guy in your own guildhall. No where does it say you use faction to unlock any of this. It says reward points. and how do you recieve reward points? You compete in the At's and it is then based on your placement in said tournaments. Simple. So no your PVP player cant just go and get your precious sword in a matter of minutes, where u have to spend a day or two.... Get that thought out of your head.

Well, no PvE player can go out and get a precious sword in a matter of minutes. You have to spend a day or two... even more.

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Originally Posted by Someone Report This Dude

You sir have to be about the biggest JACKASS i have ever seen to reply to a PVP post. Im ever so glad we have your expert opinion with such misguided facts so that you of all people can set the record straight for us.

First of all, I am a girl. So don't go around calling me sir.
Second of all, what does throwing flames at me earn you? E-Ego? Do you expect me to wither and die?
Third of all, thanks very much you think my opinion is expert.

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Originally Posted by Flamebag

Look its as simple as this. PVE is in no way screwed over. PVE still gets to keep all their fancy skins, some fancy weapons, hell even weapons that PVP players cant get. In no way is your PVE character screwed over. No one says you cant use it and that you shouldnt use it. You put the time and effort into making your character your own. so by all means use it and enjoy it. A lot of PVP players made PVE characters for that same reason and also you used to be able to swap armor in PVP, so it was a dual purpose... but you think there wont be PVE chars used in PVP because people still like their characters? YOURE DEAD WRONG!!!! Also if you think that because a PVP char has the same skin as your PVE char, that now your PVE char is useless, Again YOURE DEAD WRONG!!!! I'm sorry to have burst your bubble... but im sure that you arent the only one running around with an assassin that has celestial daggers, skills, runes, and 15k armor... its been done before, so does that mean your pve character is now useless because somewhere in the 3+ million copies of Guildwars, someone might have a sin that looks like yours?

It's FINE if you think that IT'S FAIR for PvE people to get SCREWED over. IT'S UP TO YOU!!!!! Also, it's fine if you think that YOU get to FREELY INSULT me because I play PvE. Again IT'S UP TO YOU!!!!! I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but I'm sure that you aren't the only one running around trashing PvE because a teeny little level 6 charr demolished you... it's happened before, so does that mean PvE is now useless?

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Originally Posted by Keg O' Insults

You say that PVE constantly gets the shaft to appease the PVP crowd.... yes because PVE gets so little and nothing has ever been done for PVE at all. The only thing 90% of the PVe community bitches about is the skill nerfs/buffs that we the PVP community get to help maintain balance. This game is supposed to be about skill, but thats kinda flawed when you have certian builds that can come up and press 1,2,3,2,3,2,3 and win.... how is that skill? so therefore ANET decided to balance said skill or game mechanics so that this type of build isnt as viable anymore... I can understand PVE farming builds get hurt by this. I understand, because PVP builds that are viable and have nothing to do with said overpowered build can be affected by this also... but that part is never mentioned because its construed as the PVP community bitching too much. We just kinda suck it up for the greater good... so besides trying to maintain a balanced game for all to enjoy, what has ever taken precidence over PVE in this game as far as PVP goes?

Look im ending this post with this. Instead of just randomly flaming things that we know nothing about, try gathering some information and using your head, instead of spewing some random garbage and getting a 7 page long thread about nothing of any importance.

1,2,3,2,3,2,3 <-- Isn't that touch ranger?

Instead of randomly flaming people that you know nothing about, try gathering some manners, instead of spewing some random insults. Oh, and this isn't my thread.

I thought I could just post my thoughts and leave it, but I guess there will always be PvPers chasing me down.