PvP Now Rewards PvE Skins: ATS

Are we looking at the same thread? the thread I was looking at was mostly a bunch of replies essentially summarized as "why the christ are you posting this here?"

I wasnt talking about my PvE char. Its about marginalizing effort, regardless.


Ravengar is talking about his PvP-built PvE character.

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If PvP players do not care and would be willing to let PvE players a chance at PvP only emotes, then that sounds like a fair exchange to me.


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If Anet really wants PvPers to have something unique to reward them, they should have access to more skins that do not exist in PvE (like the Crystalline Sword).

A unique PvP-only armor to unlock through winning ATS would be more favorable since i would consider it "PVP-only" content.

is this in effect as of now?If it is does anyone have a screen shot of the unlock menu?

If it's multiple posts about "how anet listens only to pve whiners instead of fixing the game" leading to Gaile's threat to stop official postings on that forum completely, then yes.

yes they can. there are people selling them, even giving them away all day long... again this goes to the point i said earlier that we dont even have a clue as to what the skins will even be because this update hasnt been implimented yet...
First it doesnt matter...
Secondly I honestly dont care... when someone makes a stupid comment, they get a stupid reply...
Third I was being sarcastic. im pretty sure that was obvious, but aparently comprehending is a little too advanced....
How is PVE getting screwed over? I mean honestly, nothing thats being suggested about AT's or their rewards have no affect on PVE. You flamed PVP players and the idea that they should even get any reward or anything only because they are a pvp character or player. In fact, if you read back on this thread, your whole posts towards PVP have been idiotic.... and no some lvl 6 charr didnt demolish me in pve, my gripe towards the whole PVE/PVP bitchfest is that one isnt better than the other, yet everyone bitches that they are and should be treated that way. I could care less if you dont want to PVP. Likewise you could care less if I prefered PVP. This game has facets for both areas of play and both should have options and personal preferences as to what, why, and how they play.
Its also a boa sin, Sf ele, thumper, rit spiker, ranger spiker, mor mesmer.... the list goes on....

This whole thread is people randomly flaming things in which they have no idea about. I have said it i dont know how many times, no one knows what all will be involved in this update, because as usual, its not here yet....

and lastly if your thoughts had relevance and were informative towards the subject, you wouldnt have some PVP player pointing out your mistakes.

PVE players go and get emotes all the time. I see numerous pve characters in HA that have a deer or whatever other emote they wanted.

and the crystaline skin is available to PVE. it was available for the longest time runnign the chests in dreadnaughts drift, and can still be gotten from reward quests in Sorrows furnace and Fissure of woe... so how is it limited to only pvp?

Aren't those PvP builds >_> And try typing 1232323 with a boa sin, and see how far you get.

I reply to sarcasm, WITH sarcasm.

Just because you are a PvP player does not mean you can flame me, alright? Since when did I flame them? Did I say "You PvP people SUCK?"

And all your posts are randomly flaming me... whom you have no idea about...

Remember when they touted Guild Wars as a no/low grind game?

What a load of horse shit that turned out to be.

Ok im sorry. you one upp'd me. you have to press 1,2,3,4,5 with a boa sin, then repeat. i apologize... the point was that they are simple minded builds that take no skill to play. which is why everyone thinks of them as a gimmick build.

Also if you go back to page 6 and 8, you blatantly flame narcism one more than one occasion and basically come up with points to try and verify your position which are so far off base, they are in left field.
Who R You? oh thats right.. i honestly dont care.... its not just you. I flame anyone who makes a post that has no relevance or which is totally wrong with the information they are giving towards the subject. Which in this case, is 3/4 of the posts on here, because like i said this update hasnt been implimented yet, so NO ONE KNOWS... yet here we are jumping to conclusions and thus we have a 12 page long thread full of bullshit....

Khh... apathetic. I am not flaming Narcism... I am merely replying to his posts in the manner he used to reply to my posts.

If you read back, you will see, in my first post, something along the lines of "I'll wait for the update to come out" ?

wow, glad A-Net don't hang out special admin power to everyone like Counter Strike or those other FPS games.

Peoples, lets think for a second. There has to be a reason behind this madness. They have to keep both side (PvE and PvP) happy regardless if one side got screwed or not. This game is built with these two modes on there. What the hell were they suppose to do? Suppor only PvE and not PvP or the other way around. This would pissed out so many peoples in the community. It's true that PvP get something us PvEers don't have but we got something they don't. If A-Net were smart and if they wanted to milk this franchise.. hey lets seperate out PvE and PvP and make seperate games out of them? That would solve all this bitching and whinning!



PS we seriously need to close this flame thread or start axing those posts that doesn't nothing but adding fuel to this hell fire!!!!

who knows, in few weeks or months maybe us PvE will get something that PvP side don't have and this discussion starts over again!

Sure I would have really liked to see this happen instead. Although you and I know that every single PVE would be on the forums bitching their heads off. Look a the big stank which happens when two modes can ralatively gain the same rewards.

I see really no reason why to complain here. It should have always been this way and we're finally getting this.

People just don't understand that it won't affect PvE in any way, your PvE items won't lose any (already crappy after recent updates) value because of this. This update won't affect your PvE world in any way so all those whining is just retarded.

Well I think I should fess up and say that I actually don't mind it a whole lot. It'll be interesting to see what they pick to be unlockable, nonetheless.

Yes but those PvE characters got those emotes by play PvP. Right?

Im saying that PvE characters should be able to get PvP emotes by playing PvE only. Zero pvp.


Maybe i should be more specific in example. Inscribable rare weapons of Chapter 1 and 2. For how long PvP will have the monopoly on this i dont know (heres to hoping that inscriptions go to chapter 1 and 2).

I dont really see a problem with pvp'ers earning nice skins for their characters, I would have prefered to have pvp only armors but meh.

What I think could be really unfair is that lets say you make a pvp mesmer and unlock a virtuoso 15k armor, you can put the stats you please, but in the other hand I cant change the stats of the same armor for pve. of course I have diferent armors sets for pvp, but cant play pvp with the armor set I like the most.

I hope Anet makes old armor inscribable, or it will be unfair... and dont tell me that make a pvp thing... if both pvp and pve players work hard to get a nice armor skin, it can only be fair that both of them can adjust it to whatever they need at the time.

What a nice way to shaft a loyal bunch of over a 1000 customers.I wonder how those who don't know this would feel after farming or playing over 1000 hours or more like 2000+hrs.I wonder of the prosperity of GW2 now.

Thats seems to be the biggest issue here. PvPist will be able to get PvE stuff shortly without ever touching PvE yet PvE can't get the PvP stuff without having to PvP.

Good points there. The only way to make PvP = PvE balance in design is to make all the armors work exactly the same as in they can look one way but have the inscriptions to make them work the way you want with the look you want.

For the old armors they can add an NPC to the main towns (LA, Kaineng Center, and Kamadan) that will make your old armor inscribable and start it out with the inscription for what what the armor used to have. This would also let Elementlist from Prophecies have the Energy Bonus Armor.

How about all the PVP players, who have spent over 3000 hours PVPing, only to now have the option at different items that will probably take another 3000 hours to unlock. Near sighted, I swear.

Zinger!!! Stop making threads with with direction to information that hasn't been clarified yet!!! Too many people are basing their arguments on unspecified information.

Contradicting statement. If you say one side gets screwed, do you ever hear the other side respond; "Oh well?". When one side gloats, the other side gets angry. It doesn't matter what Anet does, something will turn out badly in the community.

Wait wait, I can't believe what I just read.

You're saying.. PvE.. can't get PvP stuff without having to PvP? Forgive my ignorance, but why the christ would you need "PvP stuff" if you're not going to be PvP?

"I should be able to unlock PvP stuff which i'm never going to use, and I need to do it by PvE!"

For the sake of having them? so you can make a point on forums when the discussion is brought up? I'm baffled.




And wow, wait, just when I thought this post was abominable.. I just remembered (omg how could I forget) that:
-skills
-mods
-runes
-npcs
are all unlockable in PvE.

Holy christ. This post takes the cake, where's Yichi.

He's talking about the ranking emotes.

If you botherd to pay attention you would see I was talking about the Rank emotes and the HoH only skin weapons and inscribeable ones from Factions and Prophecies that only come from HoH.

Pay more attention to what is said and what it is replying to so next time you don't look like such an idiot.

I wouldn't mind having to do some PvP for armor that I could give to my PvE character. That would be pretty cool.

I very much doubt this never had any of the top ladder guilds spend over 3000hrs and when I refer to over 2000 times it by 10.I have almost over 5000 hrs on mine alone.You will see that farmers spend way over more time farming and players just playing through the game and going through repeatable quests.then there are those who play in elite mission areas.I wouldn't expect it to be any harder to get those skins than it is faction.

I really don't see how people can have such love for guildwars pve.

It's horrible. I'm sorry, the guildwars pve is probably the lowest among all the mmorpgs.

PVE is a grind to unlock PVP material, that's all it is for me. Anything else is just extraneous, and a waste of time, in my opinion.

/wave... sorry i was failing to reply. i was out to dinner....

Wow ok this has gone on long enough. The stuff that is available USED to be available in PVE and in some instances still is.... i have already posted about 6 different times that some of this shit still drops in pve... crystalines can drop from the chests in sorrows and fissure... dwarvens, while rare, can do the same. Serpent axes have already been shown to drop in hard mode.... Go to bergen hot springs... you can farm deadbows and sephis axes all day long... runes drop everywhere.... Yes they did take some of it out of PVE and yes they RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed up when they made it inscribable... i agree to this... BUT GOD DAMMIT so because someone wants to PVP they get punished because they get special drops? ok fine then. if i dont get a req9 zodiac sword drop from the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing halls chest, im gonna personally go kick some ass... does this make any sense...

PVE gets rare skins that DONT drop from the halls chest. Zodiac, Elemental swords, Murssat hammers, Murssat hornbows, etc....

PVE gets rare armors that no pvp character can ever have. FoW armor, Vabbian, 15k Armors....

Yes you all are so RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing deprived. please get down off your throne and shoot yourself if you feel that you all have nothing left that PVP cant have.

And if i hear one more person mention the bullshit that they should get fame and rank (which are ment to be PVP rewards for accomplishments in PVP) i swear im gonna lose it. How would the PVE community feel if everytime someone died in PVE they dropped an ecto, ruby, saphire, or diamond... Your economy would be shit and everything you worked so hard for would be shot to hell. So then why do you feel its necessary, for us to be deprived of what we worked for, which was our fame and rank. Yes rank doesnt mean skill anymore... I earned my r8 the old fashoned way... by working for it. I stopped when it basically became a joke. I only HA now whenever a guildie decides to throw together a group... But god dammit, we all had to start from scratch. i earned my r3 by sticking it out with one bad pug after another, just like u will have too. You want to get better at PVP and get into a better group, grind it out until you learn the tactics and strats, learn your character, and get your r3 so you can start getting into higher ranked groups. Yes most of them will fail at r3+, but youll gain a little more fame because hopefully they will all have at least learned a little.... this is how this progresses... How in the blue hell is doing a mission or quest goign to teach you anything about The Hall of Heros and what tactics to use to win a 3way killcount, or which teams are the best to split off for point capture... Rank now means time spent. the people with the most rank = the people who have spent the most time to get it. So by this right, if i didnt want to spend the time to earn it, i should just be given it for free by doing pve? ok then... I want my KOABD title for winning a battle in 5 consecutive battles in 5 different PVP arenas. I want my vanquisher title for winning an automatic tournament in GVG. I want my Gaurdian title from winning an automated tourney in HvH. I want my Explorer title for fighting in AB... see how much sense this makes...

This game was intended to be a PVP game in the end, not a PVE game. Look at the game designs and as to how it was setup. Everything in PVE was ment to be unlocked and used in PVP and you were supposed to advance to PVP... But many chose to stay in PVE and i applaud them for sticking to the gameplay that they enjoy. But please get off your RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing high horse and tell me that you have nothign that PVP players have...

I actually agree with this. This is one of the best and balanced ideas since the inscribable armors came out. The next thing they need to fix is being able to apply different inscriptions in PVP with PVE only armors, because its basically armor swapping.

If I were able to create any armor/weapon combination I wanted, based on skins that I unlock in PvE play, I can guarantee you that my PvE character would be PvP'ing much more.

PvP players can unlock skins through faction. Wonderful. Allow the skins that PvE players have accumulated (if you get the drop / pay for the armor, you get the skin) to be unlocked and available for creation as well. Good times for everyone. What's wrong with that idea?

Money will still be required to purchase the armors in the first place, people will still need to get the drops they need. Just make it so everyone can unlock anything they need in either PvP OR PvE, and allow both types of characters to create new items on the whim.

(This stems from a personal rant involving me being pissed off over the fact that half of the PvE players don't bother to properly equip themselves for the builds they run.)

And for another character on that account?

PvE: more hours and hours of farming
PvP: Look, I have another one right now!

multiply the number of farming hours by the number of PvE characters on the account (I have 10 myself) then by the number of different weapon mods you want to carry (my warrior alone carries 4 swords) to get your REAL number.

Still sound fair?

Yeah, Yichi, you pretty much win this thread. Mods, can you lock now, and give Yichi some sort of medal?


It all comes down to this. WHY ARE YOU PVERS COMPLAINING IF YOU DONT PVP. It doesn't make sense. Why complain about something you don't participate in, and will not have an effect on anything. So stupid. And you posters who act like an authority, saying that PvErs get the shaft. You. Know. NOTHING. Seriously, sit down, have a long hard look at Guild Wars, and see just how much shafting you ACTUALLY get. This is a nice (albeit unnecessary) addition to AT's, that will reward PvPers. It won't change anything in PvE.

Seriously, some of you are borderline retarded. That's how stupid your posts are getting.

You know, cursing only makes your arguments weaker, not help them.

Notice how I did not make mention of Crystline Sword or Dwarven Axes? They do drop in PvE, though not in gold form. The complaint is about Runic Blades and Stygain Reavers.

Also pay more attention to the conversation and you will notice that it is going along the lines of, "When ArenaNet makes it possible for PvP players to get the PvE only skins without PvEing then they need to also make it so PvE players can get the PvP only skins and inscribablity without PvPing."

If you focused some of that energy you have on following conversations that you are replying to rather than seeing how many curse words you can throw out then maybe, maybe you might do better at comprehending the conversation.

"And if i hear one more person mention the bullshit that they should get fame and rank (which are ment to be PVP rewards for accomplishments in PVP) i swear im gonna lose it. How would the PVE community feel if everytime someone died in PVE they dropped an ecto, ruby, saphire, or diamond... Your economy would be shit and everything you worked so hard for would be shot to hell "

Wow, you really went off on a tangent there, maybe you should cool off before trying to respond without paying attention at what you are responding to instead of just spending the time ranting.

Notice how I never said PvE players should get PvP Fame or Rank in PvE but rather the Emotes.

As for the game being made to gear everyone toward PvP, yes origionally but look at the Elite areas Like Urgos Warran, The Deep, and The Domain of Anguish. People stayed in just PvE and wanted end game places for PvE and those places where added.

"But please get off your ........ high horse" Cursing omitted. Yes, you should until you calm down it seems. No need to give the mods reason to delete your posts or ban you as that wouldn't be good for anyone.

I think that people should take a moment to realise just how incomprehensible most of the pve-ers in this thread are. I think it's actually offensive to decent pve players that these guys are the only pve-ers talking and making you all out to be as stupid as they are. Could a PvE-er with a brain please talk sense into them?

At the rate this thread is going, I'm starting to think there are none.

It basically comes down to this:

PvPers shouldn't get given ANYTHING special, because we get bambi/wolf/tigger/bird. That's our reward, so we shouldn't complain about anything, and we also shouldn't get new things, because the emotes are JUST SO AWESOME AND RESPECTED BY PEOPLE. Yep. Exactly.

I stopped playing PVE because it sucks and is boring anyhow. You get to copy farming builds and grind armor. I get to have fun PVPing and get PVE skins. You like mindless grind and I like PVP. What is the problem? You lost a customer? Not really most PVPers stopped caring about PVE too.

Entitlement behavior sucks.


Also, this should have been done long, long ago... like at release two years ago.

Maybe you should pay attention and you will notice a lot want PvP players to get the skins. They just want the skins that are PvP only to also be attainable in PvE as well and they want the Emotes to be attainable but not by Rank or Fame titles. They are also suggesting making the Inscription system global as well in PvE. It will help severe the barrier between PvP and PvE which is what Guild Wars is supposed to do isn't it? The less difference in what one gets over the other the better is it not? Balance between the two.

No-one WANTS PvE and PvP to be similar! Why cant you idiots realise this! PvE being similar to PvP skews any concept of balance in PvP, and removes entire classes from use in PvE (mesmers). Anet realises that it's retarded to have the two mixed, which is why PvE-ers can have their stupid high level cap in GW2 and PvP will actually have a degree of balance. Shut the hell up, seriously.

I bolded the main parts. Firstly, PvP-only skins are a reward for HAers. Secondly, Emotes are a reward to HAers. If you add both those to PvE, why would anyone ever do HA again? There would literally be no point. Those are the kind of stupid suggestions I was talking about.

Let's see. You can't bring the PVP unlocked items out of PVP areas. So it doesnt affect PVE WHATSOEVER. You can't sell these PVP items. You can't trade them. And they can only be used on that account's PVP characters.

SO WHAT'S THE FREAKING CRYING ABOUT?

How does this affect PVE at all? If you don't give a rat's ass about PVP and will never step foot into a PVP area, how does this affect you at all? Why should you get so bothered about other players being able to unlock a few skins? No one is stopping you from doing the same if you choose to do so.

Ugh. I guess people really will complain about anything.