Me and a guildy who consider ourselves very experienced in PVE cannot kill that bastard. Once we got everyone around him at the cost of about 45% DP, but 8vs1 still was no match. Yes, we started from ToA. PLEEEEEEEASE help if you can.
EDIT: Balanced team: tank, nuker, prot + healer, two mes, one SS
Protective spirit helps me, the tank, stay alive, but it still takes all the effort of both monks just to keep ME alive let alone the rest of the group. After I have complete aggro and am getting raped, party runs up and gets targeted, or I die and they get targeted.
I'm sorry, but I don't think an eight second lasting spell will help much.
EDIT: Caleb, thanks.
About to try again with SV necro and Broadhead ranger, three nukers, and I'm tanking again. I don't think our monks are too perfect for this, neither me nor my guildy have had much bonding experience.
Rotscale + Hard Mode = Impossible
Zeek Aran
Narcism
Bring Protective Spirit.
Bryant Again
Spirit Bond is handy (occasionally).
Neo Nugget
doesn't he strip enchants?
Bryant Again
Desecrate Enchantments is what he uses. I dunno if he strips in hard mode.
masteroflife
get 2 choking gas on him..... he won't be able to do shit.
2 doesn't work? go 3
2 doesn't work? go 3
Zinger314
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Originally Posted by masteroflife
get 2 choking gas on him..... he won't be able to do shit.
2 doesn't work? go 3 If you have that much shutdown, how exactly do you whittle down his 5600+ HP and ungodly armor?
2 doesn't work? go 3 If you have that much shutdown, how exactly do you whittle down his 5600+ HP and ungodly armor?
lightblade
It's easy if it doesn't strip enchantments.
Now...does it?
Now...does it?
fenix
You can't beat 1 boss? It isn't too hard.
1x W/X tank
1x Broadhead Arrow Ranger
1x Dom Mesmer
2x Fire Ele
1x SS Necro
2x Monks
The SS can be replaced with some defense if you have bad monks...
1x W/X tank
1x Broadhead Arrow Ranger
1x Dom Mesmer
2x Fire Ele
1x SS Necro
2x Monks
The SS can be replaced with some defense if you have bad monks...
tenshi_strife
easy big ass nukes, but im an ele thats always my answer lol
fenix
lmao, I know an even funnier build:
W/X - tanking, 0 dmg (has to be VERY good at aggroing)
E/Mo - SF Ele
E/Mo - SF Ele
E/Mo - SF Ele
E/Mo - SF Ele
E/Mo - SF Ele
Monk
Monk
GAME OVER. Just aggro, and explode stuff.
W/X - tanking, 0 dmg (has to be VERY good at aggroing)
E/Mo - SF Ele
E/Mo - SF Ele
E/Mo - SF Ele
E/Mo - SF Ele
E/Mo - SF Ele
Monk
Monk
GAME OVER. Just aggro, and explode stuff.
countesscorpula
I know it's a factions skill, bt maybe "Shelter" would help? Gives everyone the same effects of Prot Spirit.
martialis
1 Rt/R ritual lord
3 E/Me or other nukers (meteor shower, mark of rodgort, SF, barrage, not SS)
1 runner
2 monks
2 degen and interrupt
Except for the rit, no enchants on anyone, not even fire attunement.
3 E/Me or other nukers (meteor shower, mark of rodgort, SF, barrage, not SS)
1 runner
2 monks
2 degen and interrupt
Except for the rit, no enchants on anyone, not even fire attunement.
Crusheer
Spinal Shivers?
Xenex Xclame
Have you people suggesting builds ever even went against Rotscale?
Common, even in normal mode?
Enchantments is one of the last things you want to bring against rotscale, he will simply eat you alive because you have em.
Shelter dies way too fast and takes way too long to recharge.
Before even nuking you have to get thru Rotscales army which use ( almost ) ever lasting Inciendary Arrows,so good luck getting those nukes off with 6 eles.
I would dump the mesmers, what were they running?Shutdown? don't think its worth it, I think the normal rotscale group should work with some adjustments,but i really don't know, i tried it too a few days ago , just for fun, we simply got owned :|
Common, even in normal mode?
Enchantments is one of the last things you want to bring against rotscale, he will simply eat you alive because you have em.
Shelter dies way too fast and takes way too long to recharge.
Before even nuking you have to get thru Rotscales army which use ( almost ) ever lasting Inciendary Arrows,so good luck getting those nukes off with 6 eles.
I would dump the mesmers, what were they running?Shutdown? don't think its worth it, I think the normal rotscale group should work with some adjustments,but i really don't know, i tried it too a few days ago , just for fun, we simply got owned :|
fenix
Well if you got owned, maybe you should try one of the builds that have been suggested, rather than saying they won't work. Obviously your build didn't either.
This is PvE we're talking about...it isn't rocket science. You just need 1 guy to take the aggro, and then kill everything. Very basic stuff.
This is PvE we're talking about...it isn't rocket science. You just need 1 guy to take the aggro, and then kill everything. Very basic stuff.
zwei2stein
Prot spirit >> Rotscale.
and RT lord with Shelter + Shadowsong + Dissonance goes long way to shuting his insane damage down.
and RT lord with Shelter + Shadowsong + Dissonance goes long way to shuting his insane damage down.
X89
Some how we cleared the area.
Uh i think it was zb monk, sod monk, signet smite/hex monk, fire, mm, balthazar dervish, curses of some kind, I believe a broadhead arrow, oh and prot spirit.
Image gives a better idea, names left in with permission, blah blah blah.
Uh i think it was zb monk, sod monk, signet smite/hex monk, fire, mm, balthazar dervish, curses of some kind, I believe a broadhead arrow, oh and prot spirit.
Image gives a better idea, names left in with permission, blah blah blah.
bungusmaximus
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Originally Posted by Zinger314
If you have that much shutdown, how exactly do you whittle down his 5600+ HP and ungodly armor?
Barbs+choking gas+flurry i guess?
Vilaptca
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Originally Posted by fenix
Exactly. Unless your team are stupid, or really really bad, PvE is simple.
Then prove it. Back up your build. Don't toss around insults like that if you can't do it yourself.
Lets see the screenshots.
Lets see the screenshots.
prism2525
No enchant stripping = bring a 55hp along 
fenix
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Originally Posted by Vilaptca
Then prove it. Back up your build. Don't toss around insults like that if you can't do it yourself.
Lets see the screenshots. If I cared enough to beat Rotscale, I would. But killing a level 32 Boss for NO REASON aside for a Green that can be easily replicated, is extremely boring. I was simply giving suggestions to the OP for a build that would beat Rotscale. If you have problems beating PvE, it's because of your own inability to adapt a new build. There are 1200 skills in the game.... it isn't hard to find 64 that will win.
Lets see the screenshots. If I cared enough to beat Rotscale, I would. But killing a level 32 Boss for NO REASON aside for a Green that can be easily replicated, is extremely boring. I was simply giving suggestions to the OP for a build that would beat Rotscale. If you have problems beating PvE, it's because of your own inability to adapt a new build. There are 1200 skills in the game.... it isn't hard to find 64 that will win.
Drop of Fear
ehm...
found it rather easy. the key is plague touch... transfer to him the dazed condition you receive and he's just like a bone dragon minipet... he roars but cannot do anything.
even better, give koss (if u're not a warrior yourself) headbutt and plague touch so u transfer to rootscale your full 20seconds dazed... when dazed is over koss is ready to headbutt and daze him again.
llook at my hero builds, is pure shit, i wasnt even there specifically to kill him...
found it rather easy. the key is plague touch... transfer to him the dazed condition you receive and he's just like a bone dragon minipet... he roars but cannot do anything.
even better, give koss (if u're not a warrior yourself) headbutt and plague touch so u transfer to rootscale your full 20seconds dazed... when dazed is over koss is ready to headbutt and daze him again.
llook at my hero builds, is pure shit, i wasnt even there specifically to kill him...
Lord Sojar
wow....yes, bring prot spirit and spirit bond etc.. because those both obviously block lifesteal from desecrate/defile enchants... People are certainly not the brightest lightbulbs in the box lately. Try armor increasing skills, a dervish can tank him quite well. W/Me with elemental resistance and dolak signet works nicely also.
El Panty Bandito
Beat him easily with the aid of my friend that I have been vanquishing everything with. DP? bring four leaf clovers? Want to cry about having to purchase/use four leaf clovers? get out of hard mode then.
Rotscale is only as hard as the skills you bring. If you know you are going to face him....bring the correct skills. The End.
Rotscale is only as hard as the skills you bring. If you know you are going to face him....bring the correct skills. The End.
fenix
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Originally Posted by El Panty Bandito
Beat him easily with the aid of my friend that I have been vanquishing everything with. DP? bring four leaf clovers? Want to cry about having to purchase/use four leaf clovers? get out of hard mode then.
Rotscale is only as hard as the skills you bring. If you know you are going to face him....bring the correct skills. The End. THANK YOU! That's what I was saying. If you can't beat Rotscale, you have the wrong skills.
Rotscale is only as hard as the skills you bring. If you know you are going to face him....bring the correct skills. The End. THANK YOU! That's what I was saying. If you can't beat Rotscale, you have the wrong skills.
zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief
you call wtf about no blocking life steal and then suggest armor skills which ... dont block lifesteal anyway.
Which suggest lifesteal is not problem at all. Which really isn't.
PS: pirit bond might not trigger from foc lifesteal, but it will trigger from FOC shadow damage.
Chthon
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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief
wow....yes, bring prot spirit and spirit bond etc.. because those both obviously block lifesteal from desecrate/defile enchants... People are certainly not the brightest lightbulbs in the box lately. Try armor increasing skills, a dervish can tank him quite well. W/Me with elemental resistance and dolak signet works nicely also.
Erm... desecrate/defile don't do any lifesteal. It's just shadow damage typed bonus damage.
Mouse at Large
Thinking - Spoil Victor??
Alderin
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Originally Posted by Chthon
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Originally Posted by zwei2stein
PS: pirit bond might not trigger from foc lifesteal, but it will trigger from FOC shadow damage.
No, Spirit Bond does not protect against Shadow Damage. Just tested it out again to make sure.
Matt_Night
with such a team it took us ~15 mins to kill him (only him, his cronies took another while). Wasn't easy but wasnt as hard as one could expect.
GL
Arduin
Ah, and playing when your country has Favor of the Gods is helpfull too. You'll get the +3 Hp regen blessing for 50g for you, AND your Heroes. Moreover, you will be able to buy off any DP. (+2 for 100g).
Another tip: I was able to kill the Skeleton Archers and the Necrid Horseman by just standing outside Rotscale's army aggro range, and kill them one by one using a Longbow. But maybe I got a lucky spawn. Good luck! (oh and I just Broad Head Arrowed him, while some a friend and some SF-Ele's kept a constant burning on him. Takes some time...and deaths...but he will go down eventually)
SotiCoto
Can you 55hp Tank him?
... Some sort of UW style Spellshield 55 build maybe? .... Maybe a Mo/D with heinous regeneration and someone else on condition-removal duty.... or possibly a Mo/N with Plague Touch... If that actually works, having everyone else outside aggro range, wailing on the bastard with broadhead arrows and whatnot should work fine.... right?
Alderin
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Originally Posted by SotiCoto
Can you 55hp Tank him?
... Some sort of UW style Spellshield 55 build maybe? .... Maybe a Mo/D with heinous regeneration and someone else on condition-removal duty.... or possibly a Mo/N with Plague Touch... If that actually works, having everyone else outside aggro range, wailing on the bastard with broadhead arrows and whatnot should work fine.... right? No, Shadow Damage is Armor Ignoring and ignores spirit bond and protective spirit. He can kill a 55 with one Desecrate Enchantments. Also, you can hit him with Broadhead Arrow as he is at the top of a mesa with a small stairway gowing up through it. So Rangers have to get closer and it puts them in arrgo range.
J.Kougar
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Originally Posted by SotiCoto
Can you 55hp Tank him?
lol, nope. Can't 55 him. He has 'Desecrate Enchantments' which will hit you for Over 100 Shadow Damage, and that's if you only have one Enchantment on at the time, and if you have more than one add about another 50% to that, for each enchantment on you (given his attribute level) ...and since it's Shadow Damage stuff like 'Protective Spirit' won't do a thing to save you. Sure, you might be able to use like Spell Breaker and/or Spell Shield... but even with the ability to extend enchantments you'll still have a small opening in your defense, and if he hits you when it's down or you make the slightest mistake when casting or have any lag at all... you're more than toast. lol
moko
stop being so silly, it's very simple.
-Protective Spirit -Spirit Bond -Infuse Health -don't ball -BHA or Concussion -Choking Gas -Plague Touch -Spinal Shivers -Spoil Victor -Guilt -Mistrust -Backfire -Spiteful Spirit -Conjure Frost -Winter Quote:
No, Shadow Damage is Armor Ignoring and ignores spirit bond and protective spirit.
i don't recall our warrior taking more than 60 damage. i think you are mixing up lifesteal and shadow damage there. i'm not sure about shadow damage ignoring armor though, but if it did, both PS and SB would still work anyways. and i don't care when you say i'm wrong, ps worked on our warrior with him using desecrate (forgot to use Spinal at the start so he casted some and our ranger missed concussion) | it was easy, really easy, we did it without any deaths against him, his group was the actual problem (incendiary arrows HURTS!) we did run 3 monks, but i can't say i really did any work to keep them alive besides casting PS and infusing when the other 2 got bored. it doesn't require a lot of adapting tbh..
Alderin
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Originally Posted by Mokone
i don't recall our warrior taking more than 60 damage. i think you are mixing up lifesteal and shadow damage there. i'm not sure about shadow damage ignoring armor though, but if it did, both PS and SB would still work anyways. and i don't care when you say i'm wrong, ps worked on our warrior with him using desecrate (forgot to use Spinal at the start so he casted some and our ranger missed concussion)
No, Shadow Damage is armor ignoring. http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Shadow_damage Even shows it and it is easy to test.
I must admit I was wrong with Protective Spirit. Just did that one again and it reduces Shadow Damage. So does Shielding Hands and Shield of Absorption. Spirit Bond does not work on reducing Shadow Damage. As for your comment on people sucking at PvE, not everyone has a full team or real players to play with or all heros with all the needed skills. As for myself, never had an issue with Rotscale and never used Protective Spirit against him.
SirJackassIII
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Originally Posted by J.Kougar
lol, nope. Can't 55 him. He has 'Desecrate Enchantments' which will hit you for Over 100 Shadow Damage, and that's if you only have one Enchantment on at the time, and if you have more than one add about another 50% to that, for each enchantment on you (given his attribute level) ...and since it's Shadow Damage stuff like 'Protective Spirit' won't do a thing to save you. Sure, you might be able to use like Spell Breaker and/or Spell Shield... but even with the ability to extend enchantments you'll still have a small opening in your defense, and if he hits you when it's down or you make the slightest mistake when casting or have any lag at all... you're more than toast. lol
You can't 55 him, but Desecrate isn't the reason why. FoC is, which steals HP and ignores PS if you're suffering from a hex. Seeing as he has Malaise and has a Necrid Horseman with Barbs, he'll be stealing. Also, a 55 Monk can't deal enough damage to him even if he could survive, Rotscale has increased armor, HP, HP regen and 1/3 hex/condition duration. Oh, and Deafening Roar would Daze the 55 Monk, which combined with the near constant Incendiary Arrows from the Rotting Dragons, creates a whole new issue.
Basically, get good Monks to keep a tank alive while the others go at it. A necro with Spinal and AtB + a Winter Ranger is probably the best way to prevent him from casting.
frojack
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Originally Posted by Swift Thief
Protective spirit is not armor you retard... It is an enchantment that reduces ALL kinds of damage to 10%. The only type of damage that isn't really damage is life steal...
finally.....
Saelfaer
Quote:
Originally Posted by fenix
If I cared enough to beat Rotscale, I would. But killing a level 32 Boss for NO REASON aside for a Green that can be easily replicated, is extremely boring. I was simply giving suggestions to the OP for a build that would beat Rotscale. If you have problems beating PvE, it's because of your own inability to adapt a new build. There are 1200 skills in the game.... it isn't hard to find 64 that will win.
why would you need to give suggestions for a build what would work?
its PVE, you said it yourself, its simple any build will work or has it all of a sudden become diffucult again? PS: they named it hard mode for a reason... not to make it simple is my best guess |
