Rotscale + Hard Mode = Impossible

elevenfifty5

elevenfifty5

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

The Favored

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A few guildies and I (3) did this rather easiliy.
Humans: 1 War 2 Monks

Heroes: 1 Monk 1 Elementalist 1 Mesmer 1 Necro 1 Paragon

The Keypoints to the build were the warrior Headutt Plague Touching Shields Up.
The mesmer with fragility Extend Conditions and frustration
The SS Necro with enfeeble
The Savanah Heat Ele with Mark of Rodgort
The paragon with Defensive Anthem, Theyre on Fire, Zealous Athem, Angelic Protection, And gaze of Fury (rit) for the frozen soils.
A Smite monk (Signets worked well I just through it together.)
1 HB Heal Party Monk. 1 WoH Monk.

Killed and vanquished in about 15 Minutes.

I got 2 bows as well ^_^. I have few Margrids in need of something a little less grape.

TheLordOfBlah

TheLordOfBlah

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

California

None

Mo/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief
wow....yes, bring prot spirit and spirit bond etc.. because those both obviously block lifesteal from desecrate/defile enchants... People are certainly not the brightest lightbulbs in the box lately. Try armor increasing skills, a dervish can tank him quite well. W/Me with elemental resistance and dolak signet works nicely also. Since when does Desecrate enchantments have life steal?

isamu kurosawa

isamu kurosawa

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

United Kingdom

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And scince when does higher armour reduce lifesteal+shadow damage?

Guess his bulb needs replacing.

legacyofkain85

legacyofkain85

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Lady Ainowa

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alderin
You do realize that Shadow Damage is armor ignoring as well right? He also does double damage in normal mode as well as has half recharge and half casting time.



No, Spirit Bond does not protect against Shadow Damage. Just tested it out again to make sure. what do u mean ,if u take more than 60 shadow dmg spirit bond will triger,and prot spirit does limit the dmg of desecrate/defile to 10% of it

Alex Morningstar

Alex Morningstar

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Join Date: May 2006

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I (Prot Monk) was there with a guildie (Grenth's Balance), 3 sabway heros and another monk, an interrupt ranger and I think an elementalist.

It took a while, but good lord, what a pain in the ass. Grenth's Balance by the way, didn't do shit. Rotscale I think has around 20k HP.

He doesn't strip, but his damage comes from Feast of Corruption (triggers life steal upon a hexed foe) and Desecrate enchants. Keep Prot Spirit on most of your group and you should live.

If anything, just barely like us.

The Meth

The Meth

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

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Mini rant: Why does almost every thread that should be really named "I can't beat x in hard mode, please help me" have to be instead named "x in hard mode is impossible!!" Its obviously not impossible, or there would have been more then 1 person complaining about it since hard mode was introduced.

Now for some actual help: [skill]Broad Head Arrow[/skill] owns any and all casters. You will want 16 Marksmanship and a +33% daze bow to counter his half condition time, but you will be able to keep him dazed for about 95% of the time which is enough. Its a cakewalk when he can't cast spells. If you need 100% daze time take serpents quickness to lower recharge or use an essence of celerity or something.

jimmyboveto

jimmyboveto

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Join Date: Jul 2006

US

Legion of Avalon

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Quote:
Originally Posted by fenix
W/X - tanking, 0 dmg (has to be VERY good at aggroing) Off topic: Is it just me, or is the reason tanking fails more because other people get in the way instead of just it being the tanks fault? What I mean is that lots of people don't realise that in order for the tank to do their job they have to back off themselves.

On topic: Basically just take skills that will allow you to keep him dazed and keep some type of melee on him.

Merdock

Merdock

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Sep 2007

W/E

Er.... I am probably wrong, but wouldn't pain inverter kill him?
(never fought him so I wouldn't know) I noticed he has deathly swarm. just clump together and when he uses it, (and if you are in a group of 8) he will lose around 640 health (since pain inverter only deals 80 dmg max)



Of course politely tell me if I am wrong

Reginator

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

N/Mo

Just vanquished him yesterday.
Humans: BHA ranger, Spoil Victor necro, Healing monk (key: no enchantments)
Heroes: 2 Warriors, Meteor Shower Ele, Shelter/Union Rit (worthless), prot monk (helped a little)

Rotscale Spawn Point on island: Right side, middle.

Once we picked off the skeleton archers, necro used Vamp gaze on necrid horseman, pulled him to the waiting bunch of heroes. Ranger then stood on the stairs near the middle, picked a target, Necro hits the target with Spoil Victor. Once target is focused on ranger (being healed by monk on bridge), Ele is flagged in to drop MS on the target.

Rinse and repeat until all but rotscale remain.

Ranger then continues using BHA on Rotscale, necro spams Spoil Victor. Rotscale focuses non-spell attacks on monk but won't move as long as the monk doesn't move (has to be in that magic close-but-not-too-close range).

Once he's down to a sliver of health, release the heroes to take down the last bit of health.

Armor of Salvation and (if needed) Powerstones help, especially since it's more effective and less expensive than buying 2% boost at shrine, though it is worth it to recharge rez sigs.

Alex the Great

Alex the Great

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

America.....got a problem with that?

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rofl, make everyone x/E and bring meteor shower, 8 meteor showers are fun


*disclaimer* idea contains massive amounts of fail, use at own risk.

Alex Morningstar

Alex Morningstar

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Join Date: May 2006

Team Asshat [Hat] leader - [GR] Alliance

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Merdock
Er.... I am probably wrong, but wouldn't pain inverter kill him? It would... eventually. He has some 20k hitpoints. That means Pain Inverter has to trigger 250 times.

great sir s

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

The depths of Africa

[LotU]

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by legacyofkain85
what do u mean ,if u take more than 60 shadow dmg spirit bond will triger,and prot spirit does limit the dmg of desecrate/defile to 10% of it maybe if you dont quote a 6 month old post you would know why youre confused

Shyft the Pyro

Shyft the Pyro

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Join Date: Sep 2005

NYC, USA

E/Mo

Hero/henched this today for Tyrian Vanquisher with my ele, using an unquestionably sub-par setup:

[skill]Spoil Victor[/skill][skill]Jaundiced Gaze[/skill][skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Mark of Rodgort[/skill][skill]Glowing Gaze[/skill][skill]Meteor Shower[/skill][skill]Aura of Restoration[/skill][skill]Fire Attunement[/skill]

Got Rotscale to spawn on the left side of the island, so I was able to hide in the little nook to the left of the stairs. Meteor Shower hurt more than it helped, so I basically ended up killing things with Jaundiced Gaze spam, with degen and energy recovery via Mark of TROGDOR + Glowing Gaze (which apparently sets off the Mark when it hits).

I had my casters flagged on the bridge, and they missed their healing cues only twice - once when a Bone Dragon ran from MS and I auto-chased, leaving me open to a mass of attacks, and another time when Rotscale spiked me with Swarm + Feast just as Prot Spirit wore off. Things got a little dicey when SV stopped triggering; I sent Koss (W/N with Grenth's Balance and Plague Touch) in to finish Rotscale, but forgot that moving up the stairs spawns phantoms. Still, I was able to recover, and the next time I flagged Koss and Margrid (BHA + Epidemic interrupter, just to be sure ) forward, Rotscale fell.

No bow, though

Esan

Esan

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Join Date: Jul 2007

Wars

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Talk:Rotscale#Hard_Mode

Pleikki

Pleikki

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Join Date: Nov 2006

???oo ???ugs ???lan [?????????]

Did it From toa Prot monk + HB monk 3 Necro (MM SS and Life trans) Warrior,
Ele Nuker and interrupting Mesmer. First try and finished.

KennyC

KennyC

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shyft the Pyro
Hero/henched this today for Tyrian Vanquisher with my ele, using an unquestionably sub-par setup:

[skill]Spoil Victor[/skill][skill]Jaundiced Gaze[/skill][skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Mark of Rodgort[/skill][skill]Glowing Gaze[/skill][skill]Meteor Shower[/skill][skill]Aura of Restoration[/skill][skill]Fire Attunement[/skill]

Got Rotscale to spawn on the left side of the island, so I was able to hide in the little nook to the left of the stairs. Meteor Shower hurt more than it helped, so I basically ended up killing things with Jaundiced Gaze spam, with degen and energy recovery via Mark of TROGDOR + Glowing Gaze (which apparently sets off the Mark when it hits).

I had my casters flagged on the bridge, and they missed their healing cues only twice - once when a Bone Dragon ran from MS and I auto-chased, leaving me open to a mass of attacks, and another time when Rotscale spiked me with Swarm + Feast just as Prot Spirit wore off. Things got a little dicey when SV stopped triggering; I sent Koss (W/N with Grenth's Balance and Plague Touch) in to finish Rotscale, but forgot that moving up the stairs spawns phantoms. Still, I was able to recover, and the next time I flagged Koss and Margrid (BHA + Epidemic interrupter, just to be sure ) forward, Rotscale fell.

No bow, though i 3 man monk it in HM - of course you need a runner to get u there. then u always get the bow.

Accursed

Accursed

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2007

wouldn't these do the job? :

[skill]Spoil Victor[/skill] [skill]Broad Head Arrow[/skill] [skill]Backfire[/skill] [skill]Echo[/skill] [skill]Protective Spirit[/skill]

AshenX

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

Orange County, CA.

Black Flag

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When my guild team went after Rotscale in HM (we've still never done it in NM oddly enough) I ran an earth ele with churning earth, eruption, sandstorm; a ranger with winter and a combination of spike and interruption: a necro with spinal shivers, and I really dont remember what else...but it got the job done.

Omega Precept

Omega Precept

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Join Date: Jun 2007

San Francisco, CA

Graduates of Berkeley

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Crusheer
Spinal Shivers? Precisely... Have one or two of your members bring spinal shivers and have each member of your party (or a good majority of them) bring weapons that deal cold damage.

This will cause a constant interruption of his spells.

Rotscale uses Feast of corruption as an elite, which if interrupted cost him 15mp and takes 20 seconds to recharge, He will also try to spam malaise on your entire party, if you keep interrupting him you will drain his mp very quickly.

Also, I have not farmed Rotscale in quite some time but I remember being able to bring down DP by kneeling before the Balthazar Statue and paying somewhere around 100-500 gp for a blessing. The Statue is locate right next to the bridge. If You do this before your battle your party should all start with +10%.

I am sure there are others who will be able add more detail on specifics so keep an open ear!

Good luck.

Sha Noran

Sha Noran

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Join Date: Nov 2005

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... this is a very old thread, and the questions raised have been more than answered, but I have to say... please do not listen to the people who are suggesting that you bring no enchantments. An enemy using a powerful Defile/Desecrate Enchantments means more than ever that you need Prot Spirit, not that you should just try to mash Orison fast enough to keep up. Honestly...

Monk Gsb

Monk Gsb

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

England

Mo/Me

1 HB/heal party monk, 1 divert hexes monk. 1 rit/mes with expell hexes and communing spirts ( take LOTS of spawning ) 1 tank. 1 bha. 3 fire ele's.

bye

??iljo

??iljo

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

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bonder>SV>Pain Inverter
ktnxbai

Funkinmofo

Funkinmofo

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Rt/

can be done with h/h

KennyC

KennyC

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

W/Mo

Monk 1 - standard Grenths balance 600 tank.
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Monk 2 - standard smiter with SOJ and blessed signet. When only Rotscale is left he removes holy wrath bond and puts SOJ on tank, re-applies holy wrath ad infinitum.
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Monk 3 - only needs spirit bond. spams it like crazy on the tank at the start of the fight until all rottys minions are dead, then he sits down.
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rottys dead in 8 minutes from entering the portal.

the other 5 slots are there to get your 3 monks to the portal.

KennyC

KennyC

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by fenix
You can't beat 1 boss? It isn't too hard.

1x W/X tank
1x Broadhead Arrow Ranger
1x Dom Mesmer
2x Fire Ele
1x SS Necro
2x Monks

The SS can be replaced with some defense if you have bad monks... LOL - did you actually do it with that party in HM?
I doubt it...

bono

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

canada

Mo/N

I h/h with my regular team build on the 1st try. I didn't even remember that rotscale was in that area.

I flagged heros/hench to beneath the cliff...so they won't be in aggro range and bows attacks wouldn't hit them. Then he climb the hill and started picking on boss mob 1 at a time. I kept protective spirit on me at all times and spammed Necrosis until a foe was dead. then recharge energy and did it again. That was back before pain inveter (which would have really speed things).

KennyC

KennyC

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by bono
I h/h with my regular team build on the 1st try. I didn't even remember that rotscale was in that area.

I flagged heros/hench to beneath the cliff...so they won't be in aggro range and bows attacks wouldn't hit them. Then he climb the hill and started picking on boss mob 1 at a time. I kept protective spirit on me at all times and spammed Necrosis until a foe was dead. then recharge energy and did it again. That was back before pain inveter (which would have really speed things). You killed Rotscale with Necrosis in HM? I think not.
Rotscale has an estimated 20000HP so 90 damage at rank 10 sunspear is 222 separate casts of necrosis and thats not even taking into account his natural regeneration and lifesteal from FOC. If you were alone and all your henchies were flagged - what did you do about the rotting dragons ranger spike, because prot spirit does not protect you enough by itself!


"back before pain inverter?" Pain Inverter is totally and utterly useless here, especially if you were stood by yourself.

Lord of memories

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2007

Ok , after all that was posted , is some actually up for owning the dragon?
--> IGN (BHA)

fenix

fenix

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Quote:
Originally Posted by KennyC
LOL - did you actually do it with that party in HM?
I doubt it... I'm Legendary Guardian, it doesn't matter WHAT I say, because I'm right. If you can't beat Rotscale, you are bad, because it's just a caster boss...which hasn't ever been hard. Interrupts + Damage = dead. How is that hard?

shru

shru

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by fenix
I'm Legendary Guardian, it doesn't matter WHAT I say, because I'm right. If you can't beat Rotscale, you are bad, because it's just a caster boss...which hasn't ever been hard. Interrupts + Damage = dead. How is that hard? Sorry for cutting in here, but what does Legendary Guardian have to do with beating Rotscale in HM? I can't realy decipher the rest of the post though, something about using damage to kill something? IDK, could someone enlighten me?

fenix

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Quote:
Originally Posted by shru
Sorry for cutting in here, but what does Legendary Guardian have to do with beating Rotscale in HM? I can't realy decipher the rest of the post though, something about using damage to kill something? IDK, could someone enlighten me? HM is HM, regardless of what/where. Like Rotscale. It's the same difficulty as any other hard mode parts of the game, albeit slower due to higher health. Just beat it like you beat everything else, shutdown then damage. Because I've gotten Legendary Guardian, I know how to win Hard Mode, so of course I know how to beat Rotscale...

Arkantos

Arkantos

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Join Date: Feb 2006

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Rotscale is like any other caster boss in HM, it just has much greater health. Deal with rotscale the same way you deal with any caster boss. It's as simple as that if you're good.

KennyC

KennyC

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by fenix
HM is HM, regardless of what/where. Like Rotscale. It's the same difficulty as any other hard mode parts of the game, albeit slower due to higher health. Just beat it like you beat everything else, shutdown then damage. Because I've gotten Legendary Guardian, I know how to win Hard Mode, so of course I know how to beat Rotscale...
Grats on Guardian. But Guardian does not mean you beat Rotscale. Tyrian Vanquisher proves you beat Rotscale.

Oh, and its not the same difficulty as other Hard mode areas as evidenced by the amount of posts with people say omg wtf "impossible" and "Rotscale HM" in the same sentence. Some areas can be brute forced but some, like this one require a little pre planning or there is massive failure in Hard Mode.

Please post your builds, I would like to be proved wrong.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Šiljo
bonder>SV>Pain Inverter
ktnxbai You never did Rotscale in Hard mode with that!
Don't you hate it when people give bad advice or just pick random skills and post them. Here is some great advice - better than SV>Pain Inverter anyway...
"I heard echo mending and Frenzy works against Rotscale"

Jeez..

Milennin

Milennin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2006

Europe

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After killing all stuff around him send out a Warrior to get aggro on Rotscale.
Keep Warrior alive.
Warrior uses Headbutt+Plague Touch to keep him Dazed.
Rest of gang joins in and starts nuking.

That's what I used on him.

fenix

fenix

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Quote:
Originally Posted by KennyC
Grats on Guardian. But Guardian does not mean you beat Rotscale. Tyrian Vanquisher proves you beat Rotscale.

Oh, and its not the same difficulty as other Hard mode areas as evidenced by the amount of posts with people say omg wtf "impossible" and "Rotscale HM" in the same sentence. Some areas can be brute forced but some, like this one require a little pre planning or there is massive failure in Hard Mode.

Please post your builds, I would like to be proved wrong.



You never did Rotscale in Hard mode with that!
Don't you hate it when people give bad advice or just pick random skills and post them. Here is some great advice - better than SV>Pain Inverter anyway...
"I heard echo mending and Frenzy works against Rotscale"

Jeez.. I posted builds, they will work against him, one person even said it worked. Hell, here's another one for your enjoyment:

War/X - anything, don't care what
Mo/E - Smiter
Mo/E - Smiter
Mo/E - Smiter
N/E - SS or SV
Me/E - Anything shut down
Mo/E - RC or WoH
Mo/E - WoH


That will win. If it doesn't, it's because you are bad at the game.

KennyC

KennyC

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

W/Mo

You changed from a 2 monk team build to a 5 monk team build. Both builds extremely vague and not at all useful. I especially liked the comment at the end - "That will win. If it doesn't, it's because you are bad at the game." Patronizing as well as vague!

I would like to see you do this with either of these builds, I can play any of the classes in either of your builds.

fenix

fenix

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Quote:
Originally Posted by KennyC
You changed from a 2 monk team build to a 5 monk team build. Both builds extremely vague and not at all useful. I especially liked the comment at the end - "That will win. If it doesn't, it's because you are bad at the game." Patronizing as well as vague!

I would like to see you do this with either of these builds, I can play any of the classes in either of your builds. Then bring heroes, that's what they are there for. If you can't play something, change it so you can...there isn't rules telling you what to play. Winning PvE is the easiest thing ever, stop complaining.

KennyC

KennyC

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

W/Mo

I'm not complaining.

I don't think you did it, thats why youre being vague and annoying.

This is a discussion forum, here for discussion and to help other users. When you type W/x that is not posting a build thats is being vague and unhelpful.

Unlike you I've done the Tyrian Vanquisher title - I have beaten Rotscale and I posted a working easy to run build if you bothered to look a few posts up.

Comments like "That will win. If it doesn't, it's because you are bad at the game." or "Then bring heroes, that's what they are there for. If you can't play something, change it so you can...there isn't rules telling you what to play. Winning PvE is the easiest thing ever, stop complaining." it is not in the least bit helpful, and a little bit patronizing. (if you dont know what that means then google it)

So I ask you again to please post your builds, this time without the patronizing comment at the end.

Thanks.

fenix

fenix

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Quote:
Originally Posted by KennyC
I'm not complaining.

I don't think you did it, thats why youre being vague and annoying.

This is a discussion forum, here for discussion and to help other users. When you type W/x that is not posting a build thats is being vague and unhelpful.

Unlike you I've done the Tyrian Vanquisher title - I have beaten Rotscale and I posted a working easy to run build if you bothered to look a few posts up.

Comments like "That will win. If it doesn't, it's because you are bad at the game." or "Then bring heroes, that's what they are there for. If you can't play something, change it so you can...there isn't rules telling you what to play. Winning PvE is the easiest thing ever, stop complaining." it is not in the least bit helpful, and a little bit patronizing. (if you dont know what that means then google it)

So I ask you again to please post your builds, this time without the patronizing comment at the end.

Thanks. Of course I'm being patronizing, people can't beat Rotscale. What else am I supposed to say? Oh, I'm sorry you cannot manage to beat a simple boss, I feel for you. Ha! Beating ANYTHING comes down to 3 things. Damage, Shutdown and Damage mitigation. How is it hard to think of 8 people to achieve that?

W/X is that because I really dont care what build. I run Eviscerate with Save Yourselves! and For Great Justice!, but really, Warrior only has to stand there to take the attention of the other crap.

KennyC

KennyC

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

W/Mo

did you read my post?

I said I have done it.
I said I posted a working build - (unlike you)
I was only trying to be helpful to other users, unlike you who posted vague unhelpful comments.

Tyrian Vanq title Pic.


Quote:
Of course I'm being patronizing, people can't beat Rotscale. What else am I supposed to say? you're supposed be helpful, not patronizing and vague.
So unless you can post your builds and actually be helpfull instead of useless, I say youre full of sh1t m8.
I don't think you've done it, thats why you're being so evasive.