Banned 71 hours for spamming?!
fenix
Ah but you see, the spammers never sell anything, and rarely post on guru. They're just there spamming 5 lines every time they can. This issue is more that 'traders' have been banned for a couple of messages, while the ACTUAL spammers aren't.
garethporlest18
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c'mon, it's not like this is Blizzard or something. They'll tell you when they feel it's your priviledged time to know, and not a minute too soon. Who do you think you are that you rate an explanation of the rules so soon after a change? A VIP or something? Wait until they grant you the serenity to know (or else run out of excuses/denials). It's just a game. You are lucky ANet allows you to continue to grace their kingdoms.. Information.. hah.. greedy bastard. Besides, it's all player lies (and player blame) until/unless they decide to disclose. Quit umping on the player bandwagon, you know we all lie about this stuff.
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Now that I got that out of the way.
I think it's good that they are starting to do such things, but way way too late.
Gaile Gray
Hi,
I wanted to explain what happened. When we block people, we have a rather lengthy list of possible reasons. You know the sort: Offensive behavior or Use of a Third-Party Program or, yes, excessive spamming. We had not discussed the matter as a team, and there was some misunderstanding about when and how that type of block was applied. With the growing number of people feeling it's necessary to spam, with more players neglecting (refusing?) to use the trade channels, a moderator, acting with completely reasonable motivations, took action on some of the noticeable "trade spammers." (No offense intended in using that name if you were one of those affected.
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Now, there's trade spam and there's spambotting. You've seen them both, I'm sure, and I bet you will agree that sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between a professional farmer/seller putting up sales notices and a real person doing so. We'd like to eliminate the commercial sales, but we don't mean to impede fair trade or sales by real players. We'd like to see a whole lot less spam from the legitimate sellers, though. We discussed this yesterday morning with the Support Team in the US and Europe, and we agreed that there are a few things we need to formalize and communicate better to the community on this subject before we exercise actions such as those that took place a few days ago.
Those who contacted us will confirm that their block was lifted. Those who want to trade are welcome to do so. But do be aware that we're deeply concerned about the inability to carry on a normal conversation in towns and outposts because of the sheer volume of WTS and WTB.
Now -- *holds up hand* -- I know the temptation will be to say, "Well, give us an auction house and we won't need to do this." That would be nice, we all agree, but unfortunately, with the many other things we are working on, that's not going to happen in the immediate future. And in the present, and in the future, we'd really like people to be able to both enjoy a conversation and conduct sales.
So we'll discuss things internally, to see if we feel there is a need for GM action of some kind. Before we institute any changes in policy or practice, we will tell you. In the meantime, do the right thing--for you, for others: Use the Trade Channel or consider using one of the excellent fansite trade forums.
I wanted to explain what happened. When we block people, we have a rather lengthy list of possible reasons. You know the sort: Offensive behavior or Use of a Third-Party Program or, yes, excessive spamming. We had not discussed the matter as a team, and there was some misunderstanding about when and how that type of block was applied. With the growing number of people feeling it's necessary to spam, with more players neglecting (refusing?) to use the trade channels, a moderator, acting with completely reasonable motivations, took action on some of the noticeable "trade spammers." (No offense intended in using that name if you were one of those affected.
)Now, there's trade spam and there's spambotting. You've seen them both, I'm sure, and I bet you will agree that sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between a professional farmer/seller putting up sales notices and a real person doing so. We'd like to eliminate the commercial sales, but we don't mean to impede fair trade or sales by real players. We'd like to see a whole lot less spam from the legitimate sellers, though. We discussed this yesterday morning with the Support Team in the US and Europe, and we agreed that there are a few things we need to formalize and communicate better to the community on this subject before we exercise actions such as those that took place a few days ago.
Those who contacted us will confirm that their block was lifted. Those who want to trade are welcome to do so. But do be aware that we're deeply concerned about the inability to carry on a normal conversation in towns and outposts because of the sheer volume of WTS and WTB.
Now -- *holds up hand* -- I know the temptation will be to say, "Well, give us an auction house and we won't need to do this." That would be nice, we all agree, but unfortunately, with the many other things we are working on, that's not going to happen in the immediate future. And in the present, and in the future, we'd really like people to be able to both enjoy a conversation and conduct sales.
So we'll discuss things internally, to see if we feel there is a need for GM action of some kind. Before we institute any changes in policy or practice, we will tell you. In the meantime, do the right thing--for you, for others: Use the Trade Channel or consider using one of the excellent fansite trade forums.
Perynne
Grasping Darkness, ignore feature doesn't work that well. There's a limit to how many people you can put on the list. Also it's very annoying to keep the local channel totally turned off because sometimes, you know, people actually talk about useful things there. In Kamadan there are tons of new players who can't ask anything in local just because of all the spam.
Trading is for trade channel, normal chatting is for local, and I think that's how it should be kept and enforced.
I have a feeling that a trading house wouldn't really work any more. People are so used to spamming local chat that most would not like to make that extra click to get to sale central. And all those sellers looking to make quick gold would still think that it's faster to sell in normal outposts rather than a trading house. If a trading house was implemented, then Anet would really have to start enforcing it by banning anyone spamming WTS/WTB on local.
Gaile, glad to hear you guys are aware of the problem.
I hope something can be done about it, even if you're unable to get a trading house for us. I understand that all the new things you're working on take a lot of time to make, but even a small improvement would be nice. Like increasing the limit of characters allowed in the Party Search function for trading, or keeping an eye out and continuing to ban spammers in local.
Trading is for trade channel, normal chatting is for local, and I think that's how it should be kept and enforced.
I have a feeling that a trading house wouldn't really work any more. People are so used to spamming local chat that most would not like to make that extra click to get to sale central. And all those sellers looking to make quick gold would still think that it's faster to sell in normal outposts rather than a trading house. If a trading house was implemented, then Anet would really have to start enforcing it by banning anyone spamming WTS/WTB on local.
Gaile, glad to hear you guys are aware of the problem.
I hope something can be done about it, even if you're unable to get a trading house for us. I understand that all the new things you're working on take a lot of time to make, but even a small improvement would be nice. Like increasing the limit of characters allowed in the Party Search function for trading, or keeping an eye out and continuing to ban spammers in local.
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Excellent point. But with the replies of people saying, ... finally one banned, 1000 more to go
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Domino
I find this thread hilarious...
don't spam and you won't get banned.
personally I'm glad I don't have to see
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every time I walk through a city.
don't spam and you won't get banned.
personally I'm glad I don't have to see
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every time I walk through a city.
Zappa
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Those who contacted us will confirm that their block was lifted. Those who want to trade are welcome to do so. But do be aware that we're deeply concerned about the inability to carry on a normal conversation in towns and outposts because of the sheer volume of WTS and WTB. Now -- *holds up hand* -- I know the temptation will be to say, "Well, give us an auction house and we won't need to do this." That would be nice, we all agree, but unfortunately, with the many other things we are working on, that's not going to happen in the immediate future. And in the present, and in the future, we'd really like people to be able to both enjoy a conversation and conduct sales. So we'll discuss things internally, to see if we feel there is a need for GM action of some kind. Before we institute any changes in policy or practice, we will tell you. In the meantime, do the right thing--for you, for others: Use the Trade Channel or consider using one of the excellent fansite trade forums. |
I always thought the reason behind activating and deactivating chat channels was to give the player the power to ignore what was going on the particular channel. I never had a problem talking to others as theres always the Party Channel, Guild Channel, Whisper.. Yeah I have to turn off General Chat from once in a while to keep the spam out, but it never hurt...
I think I'm just not that pretentious.
Tsk, tsk.
A.Net wants everyone to have a voice in their game, yet they don't have the foundations to support that voice. Like a house with small, weak water pipes. They don't want to buy us better pipes so, we'll need to cut down our water usage.
If a company decides that the best to their customers is suppressing them, for the good of other investments, it's a plain fail.
I suggest you take out that futile Party Search "feature" if you're not going to make it better, take out the mighty storage bonus you've given us, better yet, take away currency from the game altogether, make NPCs with every piece of equipment available for free and thats it.
Honestly, I don't know why you have implemented an economy in a game where you don't even give it the most basic tool to make it happen. "Ups, sorry, you have given us two pretty basic tools: Party Search (although not intentionally for trading) and Trade Channel. Oh wait, but you want the spam cut down, and wont even enlarge the description space in the Party Search feature."*shrug* Who knows what goes inside their heads?..
Welcome to Guild Wars! The single player RPG where you can chat with your friends!
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Sir Skullcrasher
I wonder how long before a real solution to this spamming will show up?
master of cookies
well to be honest atleast A-Net are thinking about the problem and reading this thread, just beacuse they havnt changed character limit in party search box doesnt mean they wont in the next few weeks. Id be happy if spammers in local chat got banned or silenced and thats even after being banned for using trade channel myself. less spam is good in local chat! thanks Gaile and GM's for realising the problems that had been caused and (hopefully) starting to fix them.
Stormweaver
To me, spamming is the ultimate worst thing about this game. I am so sick of seeing messages repeated 3, 4 or 5 times in succession in chat. I am sick of seeing buy and sell messages out of the trade channel. I don't understand why Anet hasn't done anything to stop or at least slow chat spamming.
Is it really necessary for a player to spam his message 4 times in 4 seconds in a town where nobody is chatting? Is it really necessary for a player to spam his availability to run a mission 5 times in 10 seconds when there are only 4 other players in the same outpost?
<sigh> sorry. i'm just sick of chat spamming.
Is it really necessary for a player to spam his message 4 times in 4 seconds in a town where nobody is chatting? Is it really necessary for a player to spam his availability to run a mission 5 times in 10 seconds when there are only 4 other players in the same outpost?
<sigh> sorry. i'm just sick of chat spamming.
RezM
It means don't spam, loser.
Theus
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Please.Tell us.Enlighten us.Why do I get the feeling you're going to use an ingame option that you don't have the slightest clue about?
lennymon
It's so incredibly futile to even try to sell things in game... before HM came out? Maybe... but not anymore. The amount of W T S spam in local has doubled or trippled with only really special items ever getting bought...
Folks, you aren't EVER going to sell that req 11 barbed shortbow of leetness. There're just too many better options. With prices dropping, folks don't need to settle on the spammed junk in towns they can go get exactly what they want.
I'll tell you how, they can't... the dynamic has changed not the rules per se... Nobody wants it right now. I know I'm taking a wait and see how low prices will go before I'd even consider making a big purchase.... And it's certainly not worth 15 minutes of my life to sell something for 2k...
ironic, while I agree in spirit with what you are trying not to say, you've wasted everyone's time with your post... just like a spammer.
Folks, you aren't EVER going to sell that req 11 barbed shortbow of leetness. There're just too many better options. With prices dropping, folks don't need to settle on the spammed junk in towns they can go get exactly what they want.
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MrTickle
If people spam WTS/WTB in local chat then they deserve at least a 1 hour mute but not a 72 hour ban...
At least it's not an automatic process as someone is actually there reading the chat. Explains why so many seem to be getting away with it in local chat.
At least it's not an automatic process as someone is actually there reading the chat. Explains why so many seem to be getting away with it in local chat.
Zappa
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You people are that stubborn, huh? I'm sure you know that you CAN mute the trade channel for yourself, but whatever.
Just like I say.
- A.Net remove money altogether, lets make a game without trading or currency. Everyone seems not to like this aspect of the game.
Lets turn Guild Wars in an action game because, thats what You, the developers, seem to want. So why make something so you can take it back? Why keep a (bad) habit as the only way to achieve something, and later on turn it into a reason to ban someone?
That way you be happy by following your own path, and I'll be happy, playing another game with a decent trade system, and, better yet, without fear of being banned by trying to sell my items.
Please, do what you will, but, for the love of all things, you have to admit: This problem was brought by your own failure to come up with an efficient trading system, everyone knows it deep down, and nothing will change it.
I mean, really, all of you "elite critics" enlighten me with your wisdom. How do you sell stuff? Better yet, do you sell stuff? How do you get money? Directly from drops? Selling everything to the NPCs?
My guess is that you got rich, and don't need to sell items anymore, with lots of time left to harass new players?
Ok, not that bad, but I'm sure you have gold. I'm sure you've sold many stuff through spamming, and yet you are here criticizing others for trying to have gold like you. A bit hypocrite, huh? Tsk, tsk.I am sick of people being sick with annoying little aspects of videogames that doesn't directly affects them, but bothers them anyway, just because they feel like being bothered.
God damn, people, you are being so biased. How is everyone supposed to sell items? Pm'ing everyone at random? That would be great. Clicking trade in everyone at random? I tell you, that annoys me more than trade spam. A LOT more.
But don't get me wrong! I hate spamming too! I hate it when some guy writes 5 times what he wants to sell in the General Chat.
"I mean, who do they think they are, to be trading in general chat? I use the trade channel, they should use it too!"
Yet, it isn't a reason for a Ban, since we have the message suppressor AND, honestly, I don't blame them.
Everyone knows its a PAIN selling items in GW, there's a lot of people selling stuff at the same time, and we have to be very patient. So who's to blame?
The mass of players that want to make money? I don't think so.
And we take another step "forward".
This time we oppress the masses so that a few rich, fat characters can have their futile chats to everyone to listen, from now and then.
mafia cyborg
anet should just disable copy&paste and buffer read in local chat = problem solved
Jackita
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Now -- *holds up hand* -- I know the temptation will be to say, "Well, give us an auction house and we won't need to do this." That would be nice, we all agree, but unfortunately, with the many other things we are working on, that's not going to happen in the immediate future. And in the present, and in the future, we'd really like people to be able to both enjoy a conversation and conduct sales.
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I dont enjoy stay 1 hour or more trying to sell something
When i write:
WTS X Thing for X k's (and press enter)
A lot of people is doing the same thing, so i cant see my offer and anyone else can see it either.
i spend like 3 Hours traveling between Kamadan LA & Kaineng (sometimes Droknar & Ascalon) looking if someone wanna buy something than i have.
The Fansite Trade Forums......
Oh well the FANSITE are this, FANSITE and you can Found A LOT of GW fansites and you cant post your wares in ALL the Fansites (well you can but this could be a pain in the... you know)
GW is a good Game but some people prefer another games because this other game are complete (PvP, PvE, Auction House, Professions/Jobs/Races, etc)
The customer Always Has the reason?
Sorry for my english, but im speak spanish, i could post this same thing in a Spanish Forum, but i dont think someone like Gaile read spanish Forum.
My apologies if i sound rude (dont is my intention) but when i read:
we'd really like people to be able to both enjoy a conversation and conduct sales.
I think "something is wron with Anet"
Amy Awien
A guildie of mine sold a green we farmed within minutes. He never left the scene, but contacted his friends. Networking.
One can scroll the chat window, people looking for something specific will do that - I know I do, and people looking for just anything will do that to i fsomething interesting catches their eye.
As noted before, trying to sell non-perfect weapons is likely a waste of time, and the same goes for weapons that just are not so wanted or hot. Give them to your heroes, guildies or sell them at the merchant.
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As noted before, trying to sell non-perfect weapons is likely a waste of time, and the same goes for weapons that just are not so wanted or hot. Give them to your heroes, guildies or sell them at the merchant.
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Since I was responding to the first post ... as common and expected everywhere on the net that host a forum .... Does this forum have different expectations then normal?
To quote and reply to those who do not follow common flow ... Post #1 Emphasis mine. He admits to spamming. Post #14 Emphasis mine. He admits yet again ... *sigh* Post #92 He gets a little bit more specific. Claiming 2 lines, in the non-trade channel ... hmmm ... have you read this thread at all? Post #125 Emphasis mine. He went through customer service, and they reiterated the agreement that he AGREED to and kept the ban. Now he comes in here complaining because he wants to back out of the agreement. The solution is simple ... if you don't like what you agreed to, then quit. It's simple. Here's a definition, in case you missed it ... http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/agreement Screenshot posted in post #132, except it is not showing at the time of this post. Ref: http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spamav4.jpg Post #142 mentions he was unbanned, congrats. Lets hope he learned his lessons and stick with his side of the agreement. Post #197 mentioned no warning before banned .... ouch The above are pretty much all the posts he made in this thread, since you missed them. It is unfortunate that the ban was probably gm made and not automated as there are still children spamming in many cities. It's really weird. I have seen you replied a few times in this thread, but all of a sudden, you forgot what the guy actually posted when you read my post? Funny how people are like that sometimes. After seeing how you are serious in your ignorance, I rather educate you then celebrate your ignorance. Please read his posts, I even listed the post numbers for you. If you want to insult someone, at least check your ignorance at the door first. |
I didnt admit spamming. I say i entered a few lines, not giving a timespan where i entered those lines in. Yet, i find a FEW lines hardly worth the tag 'spam'. Same message for hours on an end: sure thats spam. Few lines whilst skipping through cities? No, i dont consider that spam.
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Lol.
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Every time i lag
most of the time i sell on forums
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Oh yeah, one more thing, It's funny how Gaile encourages us to buy/sell items in one of her threads, yet spamming is the only means of doing so, which grants people bans now? god i love this game!. (sarcasm).
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The party search system is not very good. There is limited space to type into, and no one else uses it, not to mention if you change town/dis it is reset. The trade system in this game aggrovates me to no end. For example, you buy an item in one town, and you go to the next and discover someone else is selling it cheaper. Bleagh!
To the unfortunate person who was banned: Areanet is not fair, or kind. They will never exercise pity or restraint against anyone. Ever.
Amy Awien
People turning of trade-chat is exactly why some traders use all-chat. They perceive their 'right' to sell and to make a few gold coins as the most important and they do not respect the wishes of those who are not interested in trading. The problem is in this attitude of those traders that use the all chat for their trade really don't respect other people. They don't accept, don't want to accept, that the people who turn of trade-chat do not want to trade.
Zappa, you'd make more money by just playing the game and selling to NPC's. I do not 'sell stuff', or farm, yet my one main character makes enough to buy equipment for herself, her heroes as well as for 3 other characters and their heroes.
Zappa, you'd make more money by just playing the game and selling to NPC's. I do not 'sell stuff', or farm, yet my one main character makes enough to buy equipment for herself, her heroes as well as for 3 other characters and their heroes.
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Which would probably be the reason why he said he's sick of seeing buy and sell messages out of the trade channel. But I'm sure your helpful advice of turning the trade chat off makes him feel better.
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Zappa, you'd make more money by just playing the game and selling to NPC's. I do not 'sell stuff', or farm, yet my one main character makes enough to buy equipment for herself, her heroes as well as for 3 other characters and their heroes.
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Oh yeah, one more thing, It's funny how Gaile encourages us to buy/sell items in one of her threads, yet spamming is the only means of doing so, which grants people bans now? god i love this game!. (sarcasm).
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Lady Ana Stacia
First let me say I am not a rich player by any stretch of the imagination but I have the things my chars & hero's need.
Recently I have been selling more and no I don't spam in local chat. For those that say Party search doesn't work for trade thats false. Usually I can sell everything in 10-15minutes just posting it in there.
Pure and simple trade needs to be left to the trade channel and search function only.
Really hard to give new players helpful advice in Kamadan when local chat is so flooded.
Is the trade system optimal no, but it does work! People just have to let it.
Recently I have been selling more and no I don't spam in local chat. For those that say Party search doesn't work for trade thats false. Usually I can sell everything in 10-15minutes just posting it in there.
Pure and simple trade needs to be left to the trade channel and search function only.
Really hard to give new players helpful advice in Kamadan when local chat is so flooded.
Is the trade system optimal no, but it does work! People just have to let it.
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Sorry, but I don't believe that. While I, of course, don't sell every piece of trash that I get from the ground to people, I find the need to sell some stuff to people. And by you not doing it, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.
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Thank you... Finally SOMEONE gets the point!
Tarun
Suspending or banning players for spamming to sell their goods is only going to irritate the community. Especially when ANet has had over two years to improve the trade system and get an Auction House.
A perfectly good point. Gaile wants us to get banned is how it sounds. Sure, Hard Mode gives more gold drops and better drops, etc. So now the economy is getting "fixed" so we can sell more, etc. etc. But you try to sell in the major cities and you get banned. There is no Auction House, no player merchant stands, nothing. All a player really can do is spam in Local and Trade to try for a sale, and that can take hours on end. That means less hours spent actually playing the game and instead being forced to sit around in a major city trying to sell something.
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I know the temptation will be to say, "Well, give us an auction house and we won't need to do this." That would be nice, we all agree, but unfortunately, with the many other things we are working on, that's not going to happen in the immediate future.
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Nice to know you guys got your priorities straight over there... working on more Mini-Pets?
yay...?..
Sir Skullcrasher
I know how we can make a homemade auction house.... everyone to LA ID 1 and we'll turn that place into a auction house! lol
On serious note, I agree with everyone here that banning peoples for spamming isn't the way to do things. I mean how else are we suppose to sell things without going to LA, Ascalon, or one of those trade towns to spam away our WTS or WTB message?
On serious note, I agree with everyone here that banning peoples for spamming isn't the way to do things. I mean how else are we suppose to sell things without going to LA, Ascalon, or one of those trade towns to spam away our WTS or WTB message?
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People turning of trade-chat is exactly why some traders use all-chat. They perceive their 'right' to sell and to make a few gold coins as the most important and they do not respect the wishes of those who are not interested in trading. The problem is in this attitude of those traders that use the all chat for their trade really don't respect other people. They don't accept, don't want to accept, that the people who turn of trade-chat do not want to trade.
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Oh yeah, one more thing, It's funny how Gaile encourages us to buy/sell items in one of her threads, yet spamming is the only means of doing so, which grants people bans now? god i love this game!. (sarcasm).
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A perfectly good point. Gaile wants us to get banned is how it sounds. Sure, Hard Mode gives more gold drops and better drops, etc. So now the economy is getting "fixed" so we can sell more, etc. etc. But you try to sell in the major cities and you get banned. There is no Auction House, no player merchant stands, nothing. All a player really can do is spam in Local and Trade to try for a sale, and that can take hours on end. That means less hours spent actually playing the game and instead being forced to sit around in a major city trying to sell something.
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You also do NOT get banned for selling in major cities. How in the world did you come up with that one? Its all about HOW you sell and HOW you treat channel usage.
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Have you ever stood in town trying to buy anything, reading Trade channel? Its only necessary to see the same line item repeated once every minute or so. Any faster than that as a seller doesnt sell it any faster for you and as a buyer if you saw it a minute ago odds are you arent going to change your mind and make the purchase if you saw it repeated six times in succession.
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There is no Auction House, no player merchant stands, nothing. All a player really can do is spam in Local and Trade to try for a sale, and that can take hours on end. That means less hours spent actually playing the game and instead being forced to sit around in a major city trying to sell something.
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Personally I think everything Arenanet has done to force the market to drop is all the better, and now racketeers have such a hard time inflating prices for things and finding buyers that the Gold resellers are sky rocketing gold prices, in real world currency, because they can not get enough to stay in business from the inflation market any longer. Hurray for everyone!!! the ave idiot can no longer go and get 1million gold for the cost of a game. its significantly higher now and as such it is happening far far less. This is the best thing that EVER happened as far as anyone should be concerned, because now the CHEATERS, can not do it cheaply anymore. and that is what they are truly bitching about...
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Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram
Wrong!! Use it, customize it, salvage it, Mod it, put it on a Hero, give it to a guildy, or sell it to a NPC. There is plenty to do besides sitting in a town spamming for hours on end to get more then its worth. If you didn't want it to begin with, why then did you go farming for it? Oh thats right so you can sit in a town and spam for 20 hours till some idiot bites at your inflated price. Thats what you people get off on, and want to do, so go do it. Just don't be surprised when Anet staff starts saying that its wrong... And as far as anet giving you an Auction system. Why should they GIVE you anything? Maybe they do not want you to be able to sell stuff for such a high price huh? Maybe THAT is the message they have been trying to get across for over 2 years? YA THINK???!!!???
Personally I think everything Arenanet has done to force the market to drop is all the better, and now racketeers have such a hard time inflating prices for things and finding buyers that the Gold resellers are sky rocketing gold prices, in real world currency, because they can not get enough to stay in business from the inflation market any longer. Hurray for everyone!!! the ave idiot can no longer go and get 1million gold for the cost of a game. its significantly higher now and as such it is happening far far less. This is the best thing that EVER happened as far as anyone should be concerned, because now the CHEATERS, can not do it cheaply anymore. and that is what they are truly bitching about... |
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Originally Posted by Amy Awien
People turning of trade-chat is exactly why some traders use all-chat.
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Tarun
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Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram
Wrong!! Use it, customize it, salvage it, Mod it, put it on a Hero, give it to a guildy, or sell it to a NPC. There is plenty to do besides sitting in a town spamming for hours on end to get more then its worth. If you didn't want it to begin with, why then did you go farming for it? Oh thats right so you can sit in a town and spam for 20 hours till some idiot bites at your inflated price. Thats what you people get off on, and want to do, so go do it. Just don't be surprised when Anet staff starts saying that its wrong... And as far as anet giving you an Auction system. Why should they GIVE you anything? Maybe they do not want you to be able to sell stuff for such a high price huh? Maybe THAT is the message they have been trying to get across for over 2 years? YA THINK???!!!???
Personally I think everything Arenanet has done to force the market to drop is all the better, and now racketeers have such a hard time inflating prices for things and finding buyers that the Gold resellers are sky rocketing gold prices, in real world currency, because they can not get enough to stay in business from the inflation market any longer. Hurray for everyone!!! the ave idiot can no longer go and get 1million gold for the cost of a game. its significantly higher now and as such it is happening far far less. This is the best thing that EVER happened as far as anyone should be concerned, because now the CHEATERS, can not do it cheaply anymore. and that is what they are truly bitching about... |
Why should Anet give us an Auction House? Well, did we ask for minipets for the characters two year birthday? No. Polls everywhere said we wanted anything but those pets. Look what they gave us. More useless, yes USELESS pets that are being sold for an overinflated price and making the market worse. 100k+xxx ectos for many of the "rare" minipets. I'd much rather have an Auction House which would be VERY useful for everyone. Now that is a damn fine reason to add an Auction House. Auction Houses will also lower prices, as people will see the higher seller and make these somewhat lower to make a faster sale. I hear about it all the time from people who play other MMOs with Auction Houses or a similar trading system.
aaje vhanli
I agree with the spammer ban and also think that aNet should be consistent with this action so that people stop doing it.
All the spam does is force the players who do not want it to turn off Local as well as Trade. The only people that Trade spammers reach by spamming Local are those who are interested in the trade spam in the first place -- those who would be looking in Trade Channel if that's where all the sellers were. Thus, this truly solves nothing and is only a nuisance.
The only people who want spam in Local are those who spam in Local.
Party Search & Trade Channel.
Just because the majority of traders refuse to use what is available doesn't mean that spamming is the only option that aNet has provided. I don't think aNet should waste time trying to improve something that players refuse to use in its current state.
Prove to aNet that you can use what they have provided and then maybe they'll consider investing the time and effort into trying to improve it for you.
Minipets don't cause inflation, generated money does. Also, it's a gift - if you don't like them then sell them [the end]. The reason items are overpriced and sell for "100k+xxx ectos" is because some people are willing to pay that much for them due to the inflation of so much generated gold from gold farmers (legal and illegal). This is why aNet is trying to promote trade over more generated gold.
While I'm not opposed to an Auction House, your reasoning is completely unsupported. I play other MMO's that have Auction Houses and they do not stop people from selling overpriced items, they only help make trade easier and more organized. You're misdirecting your misinformation.
All the spam does is force the players who do not want it to turn off Local as well as Trade. The only people that Trade spammers reach by spamming Local are those who are interested in the trade spam in the first place -- those who would be looking in Trade Channel if that's where all the sellers were. Thus, this truly solves nothing and is only a nuisance.
The only people who want spam in Local are those who spam in Local.
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Originally Posted by Sir Skullcrasher
I mean how else are we suppose to sell things without going to LA, Ascalon, or one of those trade towns to spam away our WTS or WTB message?
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Just because the majority of traders refuse to use what is available doesn't mean that spamming is the only option that aNet has provided. I don't think aNet should waste time trying to improve something that players refuse to use in its current state.
Prove to aNet that you can use what they have provided and then maybe they'll consider investing the time and effort into trying to improve it for you.
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Originally Posted by Tarun
Why should Anet give us an Auction House? Well, did we ask for minipets for the characters two year birthday? No. Polls everywhere said we wanted anything but those pets. Look what they gave us. More useless, yes USELESS pets that are being sold for an overinflated price and making the market worse. 100k+xxx ectos for many of the "rare" minipets. I'd much rather have an Auction House which would be VERY useful for everyone. Now that is a damn fine reason to add an Auction House. Auction Houses will also lower prices, as people will see the higher seller and make these somewhat lower to make a faster sale. I hear about it all the time from people who play other MMOs with Auction Houses or a similar trading system.
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While I'm not opposed to an Auction House, your reasoning is completely unsupported. I play other MMO's that have Auction Houses and they do not stop people from selling overpriced items, they only help make trade easier and more organized. You're misdirecting your misinformation.
Miss Puddles
want to buy or sell something? use the trade channel.
don't? use all chat.
it's not that difficult!
don't? use all chat.
it's not that difficult!
=HT=Ingram
Precisely. What little trade I do; and trust me its Very little; is in the Trade channel. Cause THAT is where its suppose to be. Not in all chat disrupting everyone's game-play activities and conversations in the process.
The excuse most commonly given for using all chat. No one is listening to trade channel...
Gee maybe thats cause THEY DON'T WANT TO BE SPAMMED FOR TRADE RIGHT NOW!!! Thats why they are allowed to turn it off. If you do want to trade, turn it on. Simple as that... Why is that such a hard concept for people to understand?
Indeed I am more apt to NEVER buy anything from a all chat spammer... Why??? Cause 9 chances out of 10 they get put on my ignore list in order to get rid of the spam in all chat.
The excuse most commonly given for using all chat. No one is listening to trade channel...
Gee maybe thats cause THEY DON'T WANT TO BE SPAMMED FOR TRADE RIGHT NOW!!! Thats why they are allowed to turn it off. If you do want to trade, turn it on. Simple as that... Why is that such a hard concept for people to understand?
Indeed I am more apt to NEVER buy anything from a all chat spammer... Why??? Cause 9 chances out of 10 they get put on my ignore list in order to get rid of the spam in all chat.
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Originally Posted by Robin_Anadri
So people getting banned for trade spam on allchat? Great! Good work, Anet!
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Patrick Smit
So Oofus you can be offended by a suggestion from another, but you do not consider how much you offend others by using the all or local chat for trade, while that is prohibited by NCsoft/ANet?
I'm not sure who is sitting on the high horse here, what do you think?
I'll tell a bit about my last adventures on the streets of Kamadan. I was running around looking to sell some ancient bound books I found, I knew they were worth quite a bit, and that someone would pay a decent price if I just could find that person. I shouted that I had this book for sale that explained all details on a certain assassin skill. but soon I noticed that a few of my fellow salesman where shouting much more, and my attemps seemed in vain. I asked them why they shouted so oft the same sentence, and most replied, its a good sales technique and everyone does it. I replied, but hey, nobody can hear me and others who are not using this technique that is declared illegal by the town hall of kamadan. Most replied to that, yes you are probably right, I'll just try like you and just shout it once in a while that would give you some air too to advertize your wares. Only a few were too obnoxious to not consider the laws of Kamadan, and thereby interfere with the rights of other peoples.
AT some point I was thinking: How can we punish the spammers. It was a philosophical thought experiment, and had no intention of exercising it (yet). And I found the answer immeadiately: fight fire with fire. an ancient technique used for fighting big bushfires or controlling them so you could clean the land. SO if we identify a spammer, we could surround him with vigilantes, say more then 15 and then shout to him personally that his or her actions are illegal. He could ignore a few of us, but not all, and we would succesfully and rightfully drive away the mad salesman. He could impossible ignore us all by putting some cotton swabs in his or her ears like we can do when we want to ignore salesman or people talking about anything as we target him specifically. We could reclaim the streets of Kamadan for the honest and respectful salesman, that also respect others. Maybe this is the solution to the problem that the mayor of Kamadan seems not able to fight.
I'm not sure who is sitting on the high horse here, what do you think?
I'll tell a bit about my last adventures on the streets of Kamadan. I was running around looking to sell some ancient bound books I found, I knew they were worth quite a bit, and that someone would pay a decent price if I just could find that person. I shouted that I had this book for sale that explained all details on a certain assassin skill. but soon I noticed that a few of my fellow salesman where shouting much more, and my attemps seemed in vain. I asked them why they shouted so oft the same sentence, and most replied, its a good sales technique and everyone does it. I replied, but hey, nobody can hear me and others who are not using this technique that is declared illegal by the town hall of kamadan. Most replied to that, yes you are probably right, I'll just try like you and just shout it once in a while that would give you some air too to advertize your wares. Only a few were too obnoxious to not consider the laws of Kamadan, and thereby interfere with the rights of other peoples.
AT some point I was thinking: How can we punish the spammers. It was a philosophical thought experiment, and had no intention of exercising it (yet). And I found the answer immeadiately: fight fire with fire. an ancient technique used for fighting big bushfires or controlling them so you could clean the land. SO if we identify a spammer, we could surround him with vigilantes, say more then 15 and then shout to him personally that his or her actions are illegal. He could ignore a few of us, but not all, and we would succesfully and rightfully drive away the mad salesman. He could impossible ignore us all by putting some cotton swabs in his or her ears like we can do when we want to ignore salesman or people talking about anything as we target him specifically. We could reclaim the streets of Kamadan for the honest and respectful salesman, that also respect others. Maybe this is the solution to the problem that the mayor of Kamadan seems not able to fight.
=HT=Ingram
sorry, the ignore list is shared with your friends list space. its 50... since most of my friends are in my guild my ignore list is huge by comparison... so sorry bugsy... ignore is not limited to 10.. never was.
As to all chat local chat. now your getting down to symantecs... If you want to spam, fine, but maybe reread the Rules of conduct code and your EULA some time, there is language in it specifically regarding spam and the disruption of game play with it... so don't get your panties in a bunch when someone comes along and give you the ban wedgie for doing it in an effort to get it reduced and put in the CORRECT place.
As to all chat local chat. now your getting down to symantecs... If you want to spam, fine, but maybe reread the Rules of conduct code and your EULA some time, there is language in it specifically regarding spam and the disruption of game play with it... so don't get your panties in a bunch when someone comes along and give you the ban wedgie for doing it in an effort to get it reduced and put in the CORRECT place.