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Zinger314

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18 May 2007 at 04:59 - 41

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

I mean how many of you people have jobs where you have to talk to customers all day? im sure youd know that alot of people are stupid and/ or yell at you for things that arnt even your fault.

And yet you'd be fired if you ignored the customer in that situation. Bad analogy.

The Great Al

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18 May 2007 at 05:00 - 42

The only time Gaile got bashed was when she skirted around questions and gave politician-like answers to everything. If someone says "hard mode sucks!" and Gaile took that to heart, then that honestly is her fault, because that is obviously not a comment about her. That isn't "shooting the messenger." I understand that if she comes online and says "Update xx won't be out for another few weeks!" then people will 'shoot the messenger.' But this was different. She wasn't answering questions with a "sorry, I don't know" or "I'm sorry, I can't answer this." She was basically skirting around questions, 'pretending' to answer them, and it was kind of insulting the intelligence of the community, that someone could ask about problem x, and she goes on to talk about event z.

I'm also starting to think that, all along, there were never any HM skills. Someone must have thought that the PvE only GW:EN skills were being introduced with HM, and told Gaile to tell this to the community, and as a result, Anet all of a sudden has to think up some PvE skills for us. How else could this POSSIBLY be taking so long? HM was first thought up what, 6 months ago, and was released almost a month ago? How long could it take to balance a handful of PvE only skills? At this point, they couldn't be terribly unbalanced - throw them out there, give us a weekend with them, and if there is a huge problem, then tweak it! This wait, with no update from Gaile, is inexcusable.

FlameoutAlchemist

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18 May 2007 at 05:05 - 43

TBH, I would be extremely surprised to see Gaile post on these forums again after the way she has, and is still being called, anything from a liar and a cheat to an outright thief based on circumstantial evidence that would buckle under the weight of a sheet of paper in court. In fact, I've seen a disturbing trend of constant conspiracy theories and 'Gaile Lies' posts that even make me, a regular player who doesn't even work for Anet, sick to even read. Nowhere in her job description does it say that she has to post here or on any other forum; she could simply just put out press releases and the like on her GWW page and still be doing her job. Having worked in a similar position to Gaile's before, I can seriously empathize with her position; It's a situation that requires a lot out of her for very little gain.

Gaile doesn't show up in Kamadan and answer questions because Anet told her to - She chooses to. Gaile doesn't post on the boards because Anet tells her to - She chooses to. Anet doesn't have to hire and pay someone like Gaile at all to help relate legitimate issues and concerns between gamers and the company - They choose to. We, as the people who they choose to converse with, have the responsibilty to state our concerns in a non-biased manner.

Just because Gaile MAY have been wrong is no excuse for any of us to give her the verbal lashing that she has received. Just because things haven't been released exactly when they said they were gonna doesn't mean that Gaile or Anet deliberately lied to us about it. Just because a feature that 'at lot of people' may want can't/isn't able to be put out, it's not Gaile's fault. Heck, during Rahja's event, she was called a string of names and her name was used to describe some obscene events deliberately when she wasn't in a certain district. Yet she's been blamed for just about everything except for maybe someone's GW client to crash, but I could be wrong there.

In short - Lay off of her and give her some time to figure stuff out. Nowhere in her job description does she say that she had to put up with this garbage. If people won't respect her, then she has no obligation to respect us back. Plain and simple.

Exoudeous

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18 May 2007 at 05:07 - 44

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

And yet you'd be fired if you ignored the customer in that situation. Bad analogy.

not really cause she isnt required to respond to every post you make. unless you want her to post "the pve skills are still being worked on" everytime someone makes another new post about it.

if there isnt any new development on the issue then there is no reason to respond. But fine you want a better analogy? you guys are like the kids in the back seat of the car asking are we there yet over and over.

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Originally Posted by The Great Al

The only time Gaile got bashed was when she skirted around questions and gave politician-like answers to everything. If someone says "hard mode sucks!" and Gaile took that to heart, then that honestly is her fault, because that is obviously not a comment about her. That isn't "shooting the messenger." I understand that if she comes online and says "Update xx won't be out for another few weeks!" then people will 'shoot the messenger.' But this was different. She wasn't answering questions with a "sorry, I don't know" or "I'm sorry, I can't answer this." She was basically skirting around questions, 'pretending' to answer them, and it was kind of insulting the intelligence of the community, that someone could ask about problem x, and she goes on to talk about event z.

funny cause when I read responses to stuff she says, people go on to call her a liar or bash her in other ways. Her answers and posts may be far from perfect at times, but then again the stuff that is said to her is also far from being nice more then half the time.

daraaksii

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18 May 2007 at 05:08 - 45

Hey! They are coming! Soon!

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Ritual del Fuego

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18 May 2007 at 05:18 - 46

I don't have enough time to read everything on this site, so I'm not sure what the incident is that everyone is talking about. I will say, however, that I agree that a/net doesn't HAVE to answer questions from the community, however, I think that since overall Gaile and a/net have done a good job, especially recently, with giving the community information, people have come to expect it.

That being the case, did anyone ever think that maybe Gaile hasn't had time to post in the last few days. I saw the post from the other site linked in this thread, but notice it wasn't anything important? Maybe she took a few days off and can't answer our questions yet because she doesn't have the answers yet. Do any of you ever get sick and miss work? Have family emergencies? Take vacations?

Maybe there has been a more important crisis at a/net for her to deal with. We all post on this site because we love the game, but remember, at some point this is work for her, even if she loves the game too. Her last week at work could have been full of other stuff for 10-12 hours each day and when she gets done maybe she doesn't feel like working more by responding on forums of hostile players.

All I am saying is that no one can know what is going on in Gaile's world, so to bash her for not responding to posts for a few days is kind of self-centered IMHO.

The Great Al

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18 May 2007 at 05:39 - 47

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Originally Posted by Ritual del Fuego

I don't have enough time to read everything on this site, so I'm not sure what the incident is that everyone is talking about. I will say, however, that I agree that a/net doesn't HAVE to answer questions from the community, however, I think that since overall Gaile and a/net have done a good job, especially recently, with giving the community information, people have come to expect it.

Your logic just doesn't work...yes it's true that Anet doesn't HAVE to have extra events, hard mode, etc...but if it wants people to stick around for GW:EN (especially because of the longer wait) and GW:2, it better.

Aangy

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18 May 2007 at 05:56 - 48

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Originally Posted by The Great Al

Your logic just doesn't work...yes it's true that Anet doesn't HAVE to have extra events, hard mode, etc...but if it wants people to stick around for GW:EN (especially because of the longer wait) and GW:2, it better.

Your logic doesn't entirely work either, though. No, Gaile does not HAVE to come and answer any questions, neither do any of the devs... It is done, however, out of courtesy for their fan base. Coming from a game that had little to no updates/communication from the devs for months/years at a time, I truly appreciate even the smallest bit of communication on their part.

And your statement about GW:EN and GW2 aren't entirely true either. I'm sure there are many (perhaps the majority) of players that just play the game because they enjoy it and don't hang on every word Gaile or the devs say. I'm sure only a minority actually come here daily and read these posts. They're probably a lot like me and won't believe anything until it's posted on the website. Either way you can't generalize or make assumptions that something will or will not be successful based purely on Gaile's posting habits.

Ritual del Fuego

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18 May 2007 at 06:11 - 49

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Originally Posted by The Great Al

Your logic just doesn't work...yes it's true that Anet doesn't HAVE to have extra events, hard mode, etc...but if it wants people to stick around for GW:EN (especially because of the longer wait) and GW:2, it better.

Maybe my sentence structure is lacking this late and my point was missed.

I never said anything about a/net not having to do events and game updates (although that is true too). My point in that statement was that I think people are getting jumpy because lately we have seen a decent amount of information coming from A/net and Gaile leading up to HM and all the recent skill updates. This, as someone else pointed out, even though they aren't "required" to do it. Now that the well has gone dry for a bit, people are feeling obligated to get information ASAP, even though they have no idea what is going on at A/net or, as I stated at the end of my post, what is going on with Gaile which is keeping her from posting the last week.

The bottom line is that I'm sure we will get information soon, just not as soon as some people feel obligated to get it.

Gaile Gray

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18 May 2007 at 06:41 - 50

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Originally Posted by Guardian of the Light

O dear I hope Gaile didn't snap because well after taking 2 years of stupid moron comments (even with lots of good people posting also) it might cracked her patience......

Six years. I first worked for ArenaNet in September, 2000.

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

yup. people demand to have info from her, and at the same time they want to flame her to no end for what ever she says or doesnt say. You can't shoot the messenger here and still want info. I mean how many of you people have jobs where you have to talk to customers all day? im sure youd know that alot of people are stupid and/ or yell at you for things that arnt even your fault.

Emphasis: You can't shoot the messenger here and still want info. That's right, you really, really can't. Look at this thread: "Gaile's posting on another forum. Why doesn't she post here? Well, who cares, we hate her anyway, but why isn't she answering us? We want her back so we can tell her how much she sucks!"

And you know what? I'm sitting here, 11:30 at night, and I'm laughing at the absurdity of it all. Can you, maybe, find it in your hearts to smile with me? Because come on, guys, it's pretty darn funny if you read it all together like I just did.

Ok, so what's new on Sunspear Skills? I'll ask James, but I thought that was answered a while ago and didn't he say that they were coming with GW:EN, that they were the PVE-only skills? Honestly, now that I've stopped laughing about the above and have given it another thought, I'm not sure if that's the case, so let me check on that and get back to you.

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Originally Posted by Smile Like Umean It

Either stop posting all together or treat the sites equally.

Oh, wow, is that what this is about? Competitive feelings between members of different sites? I do try very hard to visit all the sites regularly, and even if I'm not posting, I am reading. I just can't be bound by a "one post for A, one post for B, one post for C," that's just not reasonable.

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

not really cause she isnt required to respond to every post you make. unless you want her to post "the pve skills are still being worked on" everytime someone makes another new post about it.

I am about 98% tempted to add that to my sig, just for fun.

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Originally Posted by Ritual del Fuego

The bottom line is that I'm sure we will get information soon, just not as soon as some people feel obligated to get it.

Yes, sadly, that's true. We'll probably never be able to give all the information that people want, nor as quickly as they want it. We can try, but realistically, it just isn't possible.

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Originally Posted by FlameoutAlchemist

TBH, I would be extremely surprised to see Gaile post on these forums again after the way she has, and is still being called, anything from a liar and a cheat to an outright thief based on circumstantial evidence that would buckle under the weight of a sheet of paper in court. In fact, I've seen a disturbing trend of constant conspiracy theories and 'Gaile Lies' posts that even make me, a regular player who doesn't even work for Anet, sick to even read. Nowhere in her job description does it say that she has to post here or on any other forum; she could simply just put out press releases and the like on her GWW page and still be doing her job. Having worked in a similar position to Gaile's before, I can seriously empathize with her position; It's a situation that requires a lot out of her for very little gain.

Gaile doesn't show up in Kamadan and answer questions because Anet told her to - She chooses to. Gaile doesn't post on the boards because Anet tells her to - She chooses to. Anet doesn't have to hire and pay someone like Gaile at all to help relate legitimate issues and concerns between gamers and the company - They choose to. We, as the people who they choose to converse with, have the responsibilty to state our concerns in a non-biased manner.

Just because Gaile MAY have been wrong is no excuse for any of us to give her the verbal lashing that she has received. Just because things haven't been released exactly when they said they were gonna doesn't mean that Gaile or Anet deliberately lied to us about it. Just because a feature that 'at lot of people' may want can't/isn't able to be put out, it's not Gaile's fault. Heck, during Rahja's event, she was called a string of names and her name was used to describe some obscene events deliberately when she wasn't in a certain district. Yet she's been blamed for just about everything except for maybe someone's GW client to crash, but I could be wrong there.

In short - Lay off of her and give her some time to figure stuff out. Nowhere in her job description does she say that she had to put up with this garbage. If people won't respect her, then she has no obligation to respect us back. Plain and simple.

I just found this. And I'm printing it out to keep.

I know the people who most need to read this, and grasp this as truth, won't care. But I do, and I'm grateful for your wisdom and your kind instincts.

Kashrlyyk

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18 May 2007 at 07:28 - 51

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

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Ok, so what's new on Sunspear Skills? I'll ask James, but I thought that was answered a while ago and didn't he say that they were coming with GW:EN, that they were the PVE-only skills? ....

Last thing I heard about the PvE only skills, was in here

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Originally Posted by Gaile/Andrew; 04.04.07

In our next update, we hope to add additional PvE-only skills to allow more attractive options for cooperative play, as well as begin adjusting some skills to make them more viable in cooperative play.

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18 May 2007 at 07:39 - 52

This reminds me of a list my dad has, he's a pharmacist. One of his "rules of pharmacy etiquette" is : 5) Ask every two minutes if your prescription is ready, sometimes pharmacists keep them behind the counter just to piss you off.

I'm sure everyone at Anet knows exactly what GWEN is going to be and have perfected all of the PvE skills and their methods of acquisition down to an exact science and are simply holding back their stores of information simply because you want to know.

I mean let's be honest here, Nightfall wasn't even done when it was released. >_>

Gaile Gray

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18 May 2007 at 07:40 - 53

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Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

Last thing I heard about the PvE only skills, was in here

Thank you for finding that, Kashryllk. I did a search, but the search engine never works for me.

I remember that update, but it has indeed been more than a month, and I thought in the intervening weeks, we'd had something else to say on the subject. I will ping James about it, for sure.

Ritual del Fuego

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18 May 2007 at 07:51 - 54

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Oh, wow, is that what this is about? Competitive feelings between members of different sites? I do try very hard to visit all the sites regularly, and even if I'm not posting, I am reading. I just can't be bound by a "one post for A, one post for B, one post for C," that's just not reasonable.

What, you didn't know everyone here is a child of GW vying for your attention.

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Miral

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18 May 2007 at 07:59 - 55

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Ok, so what's new on Sunspear Skills? I'll ask James, but I thought that was answered a while ago and didn't he say that they were coming with GW:EN, that they were the PVE-only skills? Honestly, now that I've stopped laughing about the above and have given it another thought, I'm not sure if that's the case, so let me check on that and get back to you.

I'm 99% certain at one point you or another anet rep said "before GW:EN for sure!" about sunspear skills. now they are part of GW:EN? figures. and whats more they are THE PvE skills in GW:EN, meaning this was already planned? right. you can keep GW:EN.

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18 May 2007 at 08:12 - 56

Help Wanted Software development firm seeking Community Relations Representative. Must be willing to answer inane questions, repeatedly, while being called a liar, cheat, bitch, shit-stick, slacker, corporate stooge and many other names. Must log into the game at all hours of the day to ensure that 3 million customers have access 24/7 so that all of them may have a chance to address you as the above mentioned names. Also, position requires that you post on any and all forums created by the community, answering any and all posts calling you any of the above names, and to cheerfully provide answers to the questions and accusations stated therein.

Benefit package includes, but is not limited to: not being able to call a spade a spade, getting kicked in the head if you are nice, getting kicked in the head if you state the truth, getting spat upon if you say "hello", being thrown under a bus if you do not have an answer within 0.00387 seconds on a customer asking a question and being given the occasional Red Iris Flower by a satisfied customer. Pay will not be based upon what you have to put up with. Send resume and cover letter explaining why you would want to do this to youself to [email protected].

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18 May 2007 at 08:18 - 57

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

And yet you'd be fired if you ignored the customer in that situation. Bad analogy.

Coming form a Customer service Associate, if someone is being a complete a*sh*le to me, I have every right to ignore them, or better yet, remove them from the store, so no, it was a good analogy.

Edit: Don't worry gaile it'll all be worth it when you retire on that big healthy pile of money you got from dealing with us

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18 May 2007 at 08:25 - 58

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Originally Posted by Miral

I'm 99% certain at one point you or another anet rep said "before GW:EN for sure!" about sunspear skills. now they are part of GW:EN? figures. and whats more they are THE PvE skills in GW:EN, meaning this was already planned? right. you can keep GW:EN.

So? plans change, it states that that is the case on the back of the box... hell, the entirety of the Nightfall manual became useless fire paper on release, especially with the interface changes...

and I've so far heard people say that they wouldn't get factions or even Nightfall, and funnily enough, they did... We all love GW, we all truely love ANet for what they've pulled off with GW and the lack of a monthly fee, and just be honest, your going to get GW:EN because you simply know that it is going to be good, and just like me you want more GW content because most of us aren't stupid enough to pay to play a game unless it has some real substance now that GW has shown us that its possible...

besides that, its buyable simply for the fact that you DON'T need to play it day in, day out, because it doesn't cost anything to play it

Smile Like Umean It

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18 May 2007 at 08:27 - 59

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Oh, wow, is that what this is about? Competitive feelings between members of different sites? I do try very hard to visit all the sites regularly, and even if I'm not posting, I am reading. I just can't be bound by a "one post for A, one post for B, one post for C," that's just not reasonable.

Uh, no...
What exactly is "this" you're referring to?
I'm merely stating that your posts here have become very few and far between. Perhaps I'm just missing them?
Do I expect you to keep the community as informed as you have in the past? No. Not then and certainly not now. I can appreciate that you have other things to do and won't always have time to go to each and every site and reply to things. I've never expected you to, but when I see multiple post by you on GWO in one day compared to the few posts here in however long, it becomes a bit apparent that you have "left the building".

FYI, I was a member of GWO long before I was a member here. I frequent both sites. So, no, no competitive feelings from me.

semantic

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18 May 2007 at 08:31 - 60

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Thank you for finding that, Kashryllk. I did a search, but the search engine never works for me.

I remember that update, but it has indeed been more than a month, and I thought in the intervening weeks, we'd had something else to say on the subject. I will ping James about it, for sure.

As far as I know, they were first mentioned in the 3/20 notes about the then 'Upcoming HM update", which made it sound very much like they were tied to that update and might even appear with it (they're mentioned at the very end of your post).

Then on 4/20, you posted this in a thread asking about SS skills.

Thanks for checking, as always, and have a nice weekend. /wave

Kashrlyyk

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18 May 2007 at 08:32 - 61

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Kashryllk....

Sorry, couldn´t help myself. Is it really that hard to write my nickname?

Dr Strangelove

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18 May 2007 at 08:37 - 62

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

And yet you'd be fired if you ignored the customer in that situation. Bad analogy.

From my time in customer service, no one particulary minded if I suddenly discovered all sorts of layers of bureaucracy that rude douchebags had to go through. (Yes, then you must fill out these 3 forms, then I will consider fixing your problem. Maybe.) If you want people to treat you with respect, it's only fitting that you treat them the same way.

For the conspiracy theorists, if Gaile doesn't post new info every day, that doesn't mean Anet is hanging around their offices drinking mojitos while playing pick-up sticks with their collective buttcheeks. Those activites are reserved for me, thankyouverymuch.

I guess I'm grateful that we get what we do, having dealt with EA "*** the customers" games and other companies like that.

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18 May 2007 at 08:41 - 63

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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

I guess I'm grateful that we get what we do, having dealt with EA "*** the customers" games and other companies like that.

Agreed... and Oh my god, has anyone else used EA Link? Damn, I actually appreciate Steam now and I've stopped playing BF2142 and C&C3 because of it (not to mention that if Warhammer Online is on it, I'll not be playing that either)

Miral

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18 May 2007 at 08:44 - 64

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

So? plans change, it states that that is the case on the back of the box... hell, the entirety of the Nightfall manual became useless fire paper on release, especially with the interface changes...

and I've so far heard people say that they wouldn't get factions or even Nightfall, and funnily enough, they did... We all love GW, we all truely love ANet for what they've pulled off with GW and the lack of a monthly fee, and just be honest, your going to get GW:EN because you simply know that it is going to be good, and just like me you want more GW content because most of us aren't stupid enough to pay to play a game unless it has some real substance now that GW has shown us that its possible...

besides that, its buyable simply for the fact that you DON'T need to play it day in, day out, because it doesn't cost anything to play it

wow, telling me that I'm going to buy GW:EN. you're worse than a car salesman O.O you're right, most of us aren't stupid enough to pay to play a game unless it has some real substance. and substance is something guild wars is lacking in lately. I can still play what I have and thats fine and dandy. However since I am not stupid, as per your post, I won't make any further monetary investment into guildwars at this time. ie, no, I will not buy GW:EN.

And for the record, my point wasn't about any plans that changed. it was about something that was hyped as two separate things (Sunspear skills as part of hardmode, and then new PvE skills as part of GWEN) when in fact they've apparently been one thing all along, even though it was stated otherwise before... only one set of PvE skills, and you have to buy GWEN to get it.

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18 May 2007 at 08:46 - 65

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

But fine you want a better analogy? you guys are like the kids in the back seat of the car asking are we there yet over and over.

Quoted for Truth!

Lonesamurai

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18 May 2007 at 08:49 - 66

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Originally Posted by Miral

wow, telling me that I'm going to buy GW:EN. you're worse than a car salesman O.O you're right, most of us aren't stupid enough to pay to play a game unless it has some real substance. and substance is something guild wars is lacking in lately. I can still play what I have and thats fine and dandy. However since I am not stupid, as per your post, I won't make any further monetary investment into guildwars at this time. ie, no, I will not buy GW:EN.

And for the record, my point wasn't about any plans that changed. it was about something that was hyped as two separate things (Sunspear skills as part of hardmode, and then new PvE skills as part of GWEN) when in fact they've apparently been one thing all along, even though it was stated otherwise before... only one set of PvE skills, and you have to buy GWEN to get it.

yes, and as i stated, things change...

hell, we're lucky to have some of the changes that have come recently, and for some I'm greatful that they have taken the time to implement some of the ideas that have come, like hard mode, extra storage, etc... things that they never needed to add, but did because the community asked and the finally got round to doing it

besides, its not ANet that get your money, they already have money from NCSoft, its NCSoft that have to recoup money through sales for putting money into ANet and then producing/packaging/shipping the game... So please, don't tell a salesman (and i am) how the system works, if your not sure, nor not right... ANet have, all crap aside, done a good job and I will be getting GW:EN, and GW2 for that matter, but I'm under no false impression that my money goes directly to ANet, as they've already had thier money and mine goes to NCSoft, simple as that

Miral

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18 May 2007 at 08:49 - 67

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Originally Posted by Exoudeous

But fine you want a better analogy? you guys are like the kids in the back seat of the car asking are we there yet over and over.

soooo....... that would make Gaile the teenage mother of five that got herself into a position she cannot handle? O.O

Miral

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18 May 2007 at 09:01 - 68

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

yes, and as i stated, things change...

hell, we're lucky to have some of the changes that have come recently, and for some I'm greatful that they have taken the time to implement some of the ideas that have come, like hard mode, extra storage, etc... things that they never needed to add, but did because the community asked and the finally got round to doing it

yes, some of the changes have been good, though minor. and I appreciate having extra storage on my currently existing account, but that doesn't mean I have to buy GWEN.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

besides, its not ANet that get your money, they already have money from NCSoft, its NCSoft that have to recoup money through sales for putting money into ANet and then producing/packaging/shipping the game... So please, don't tell a salesman (and i am) how the system works, if your not sure, nor not right... ANet have, all crap aside, done a good job and I will be getting GW:EN, and GW2 for that matter, but I'm under no false impression that my money goes directly to ANet, as they've already had thier money and mine goes to NCSoft, simple as that

not sure what this part has to do with my post... I said nothing about how any systems work, just simply that I won't be buying GW:EN. But just since you brought it up, how well ncsoft does with current guildwars products does affect how much funding they give to arenanet for future projects, if any.

I think anet started great with guildwars, loved the game, just don't like where it is headed recently and won't be investing any more money into it. what is your problem in all of this?

Amon Warrior

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

W/

18 May 2007 at 09:10 - 69

Thank you for the info about the Sunspear skills, Gaile. I wasn't aware of that before.

Gaile's ability to keep cool despite all kinds of comments is commendable. There's this kind of superstar aura that might be getting in the way of people seeing the human being behind the posts and the avatar.

Have fun playing the game everyone!

SotiCoto

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Drazach Thicket

Temple of Zhen Xianren [Sifu]

18 May 2007 at 09:13 - 70

Would you two quit bickering already?

Anyhow...

Gaile is only human. Just because you've paid a little bit of money to buy access to the game and don't have to pay any more doesn't mean you're entitled to have the whole A-Net team bowing at your feet. It certainly doesn't entitle anyone to go laying into Gaile on a personal level!
Some folks need to realise that sh!t happens... That sometimes you are certain something is going to go ahead, tell people that it is going to go ahead.... then something messes up and it can't. If you want to whine about it then keep it to yourself... because if anyone personally messed up such that it couldn't go ahead.... then it isn't anyone you could be talking to here, and it certainly isn't Gaile.

Then again, she probably knows who is responsible.... so if we all ask Gaile nicely to deliver a kick up the backside (or at least a concerted grumble) to the people who are not delivering the skills.... she might be kind enough to oblige.

Cacheelma

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Ascalon Union

Me/Mo

18 May 2007 at 09:18 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

Sorry, couldn´t help myself. Is it really that hard to write my nickname?

I know you want to use "Kashyyyk" but you're afraid LucasArts would sue you.

Lonesamurai

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Cheltenham, Glos, UK

Wolf Pack Samurai [WPS]

R/A

18 May 2007 at 09:49 - 72

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miral

yes, some of the changes have been good, though minor. and I appreciate having extra storage on my currently existing account, but that doesn't mean I have to buy GWEN.

not sure what this part has to do with my post... I said nothing about how any systems work, just simply that I won't be buying GW:EN. But just since you brought it up, how well ncsoft does with current guildwars products does affect how much funding they give to arenanet for future projects, if any.

I think anet started great with guildwars, loved the game, just don't like where it is headed recently and won't be investing any more money into it. what is your problem in all of this?

No problem, you just haven't said what yo don't like, just that you don't like where they are headed... which is where? pray tell

Besides, as i said, the number of people I've read or heard that aren't gonna buy this or that and then do buy the chapters, I just hold it all with the highest of sceptsism...

but like I said, things change, plans change and maybe they've decided to bundle in the sunspear skills in with GW:EN, however, i actually doubt it, due to GW:EN having nothing to do with Elona, from what I've read about it, its all set in Ascalon and northern Tyria, not southern Tyria and the desert where Elona is

Spazzer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

USA

Team Asshat [Hat]

Mo/E

18 May 2007 at 13:00 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

Sorry, couldn´t help myself. Is it really that hard to write my nickname?

Yes.

Twelve characters.

Coridan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

US

Old Married Gamers {OMG}

W/

18 May 2007 at 13:25 - 74

this taken from
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Upcom...s_and_features

So if PVE skills are going to be released with GW:EN then its only a couple weeks away.

Next couple of weeks
New PvE skills based on Sunspear rank

Near future
Bow skills and Mesmer buffs
Soul Reaping change (Gaile Talk)
Single elimination rounds for Automated Tournaments
PvP skin rewards for Automated Tournaments
Windows Vista Certification

Future
Guild Wars Eye of the North (3rd quarter of 2007)
Guild Wars 2 (2009/10)
Inscribable armor in Factions and Prophecies 2

lucifer_uk

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Nottingham, England

The Venerable Truth [TvT] The Venerable Alliance [TvH] [TvL]

R/

18 May 2007 at 14:04 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exoudeous

I mean how many of you people have jobs where you have to talk to customers all day? im sure youd know that alot of people are stupid and/ or yell at you for things that arnt even your fault.

Anyone that does that we throw them out in my industry

I find it alarming we haven't had any more info on this, and if it is true that Gaile is purposely avoiding an unnamed fansite because of 1 or 2 trolls then she really needs to grow a thicker skin and carry on dealing with the normal reasonable questions.

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

18 May 2007 at 14:04 - 76

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coridan

this taken from
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Upcom...s_and_features

....

It is an unofficial list on an official website, with entries that can be changed on release, whatever that means.

SuperDave

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2006

South Africa

Forever Knights

Mo/

18 May 2007 at 14:30 - 77

Quote:

Originally Posted by dargon

That said, it's fully within their rights to clam up and say 'screw it, you want info, be polite to us rather than insulting jerks'

Fair enough.... It's also fully within the rights of existing GW players and potential buyers who might read these threads to say "Screw it, you want my money, give us more reason to support your product"

Sticking with the OP...yes, i too would like to know please

I sure don't hope this is on one of the "you need to know basis" things, where we don't know because we don't need to know

Alfrond

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

The United States

Boston Guild [BG]

Mo/Me

18 May 2007 at 14:32 - 78

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucifer_uk

Anyone that does that we throw them out in my industry

I find it alarming we haven't had any more info on this, and if it is true that Gaile is purposely avoiding an unnamed fansite because of 1 or 2 trolls then she really needs to grow a thicker skin and carry on dealing with the normal reasonable questions.

So...when people are rude and disrespectful you would tell their target to "grow a thicker skin"? How about people just not be jerks? Lets not be blaming the victim.

prism2525

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Among dead bodies.

The Republic of Sky Pirates

E/

18 May 2007 at 14:45 - 79

Poor Gaile is like the punching bag ppl use when they are frustrated. Instead of complaining with the actual dev team (as far as I know Gaile doesn't program stuff, or very few) they take it out on the most public part of Anet.

Don't take me wrongly I too can't wait for these skills to come out so that I'll have (I hope) an easier time bashing hard-stuff. But so far it seems people manage hard mode quite well with their own brains and cooperation, so just lay the hands off Gaile will ya?

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

18 May 2007 at 14:50 - 80

Quote:

Originally Posted by prism2525

Poor Gaile is like the punching bag ppl use when they are frustrated. Instead of complaining with the actual dev team (as far as I know Gaile doesn't program stuff, or very few) they take it out on the most public part of Anet.

It's the devs' job to design, it's Gaile's job to relate to the community and take their responses to the devs; that's why she is the public part of Anet. If people took out stuff on the devs directly, they'd probably be too busy putting up with people and too irritated to care about making the game.

This said, maintain a topic and don't wander into a long debate about Gaile; it's not needed.