Any word on the new PvE sunspear skills?

Isn't it more like the Sunspear skills will arrive in Nightfall at the same time as GW:EN expansion?

When I was informing people in Guild Wars Official Wiki about this statement, a user by the name of Eerie Moss came up with this:

"Hrm, I would find that weird seeing as it would severely impact the player experience for characters that haven't played Nightfall. If you come from Prophecies or Factions you won't have any Sunspear rank yet, so straight away you're at a disadvantage."

We better wait and see for further developments...

Yes, please do wait. I was real clear--or so I hoped--that I'm unsure that these skills are, precisely, or when they come. I keep up, but I can't remember every detail, and things change, too. That's not to say this has changed, that's not to say anything at all, yet. Please don't make GWW changes or put any store in my response, as it was more a question than a statement. I should have an answer today.

And Tiny Killer: You rock.

Oh big news, ANET has finally released the new PvE Sunspear and Lightbringer skills:

Quote from site:

Miscellaneous
- All accounts from Guildwarsguru.com, Gwonline.net and other accounts have been merged with Guild Wars Accounts.

Skill Changes:

Assasin:
- Way of the Gaile: New Sunspear Stance, all account that have not whined for information about new skills can use this skill. For 3...21 seconds recieved damage is halved and you have +3...9 health regeneration.
- Shadow Form: All accounts that have whined for information about new skills will recieve a -10 degen penalty when using this skill.

Dervish:
- Avatar of Alex: New Sunspear Form, all account that have not whined for information about new skills can use this skill. For 24...240 seconds, all foes in the area are blinded and dazed for 4...16 seconds. This Skill is disabled for 120 seconds.
- Avatar of Melandru: All accounts that have whined for information about new skills will recieve double degen from Burning and this Form is not immune to Burning anymore.

Elementalist
- Glyph of The Frog: New Sunspear Glyph, all account that have not whined for information about new skills can use this skill. For 15 seconds, the next 3 skills you use are cast instantly, recharge instantly and cost no energy..
- Stoneflesh Aura: All accounts that have whined for information about new skills will recieve 999 armor ignoring damage whenever this enchantment ends prematurely.
-Searing Flames: All accounts that have whined for information about new skills can only use this skill at touch range. Cast time has been raised to 6 seconds for them and they receive double damage from melee while casting this skill.

Mesmer:
- Mantra of Gaile: New Sunspear Stance, all account that have not whined for information about new skills can use this skill. For 30...120 seconds all skills are cast 4 times faster and cost half the energy.
- Migraine: As a result of constant whining about new skills, all accounts that have whined on the forums, cant hex foes with this skill. Instead, they suffer from the Migraine effect themselves, even when they do not have this skill equipped.

Monk:
- Aura of the Dev: New Sunspear Enchantment Spell, all account that have not whined for information about new skills can use this skill. For 30...75 seconds you cannot loose more then 5% damage from attacks and you have +3...9 health regeneration. The downside of this aura is that it lowers your maximum health to 25. Whenever you recieve damage from attacks or spells, the Aura of the Dev deals 100 damage to that foe and all foes in the area.
- Protective Spirit: All damage done to players with accounts that have whined for information about new skills will be turned into lifestealing damage.

Necro:
- Order of the Frog: New Sunspear Enchantment spell, all account that have not whined for information about new skills can use this skill. Sacrifice 17% maximum health and all party is healed for 100...300 hp each. For 5 seconds, whenever a party member uses a skill or attacks, that party member gains 50 hp and does 25...100 shadow damage to all foes in the area.
- Spiteful Spirit: All accounts that have whined for information about new skills will sacrifice 25% maximum health whenever this hex effect is triggered.

Paragon:
- Song of Gaile: New Sunspear Chant, all account that have not whined for information about new skills can use this skill. For 30 seconds, every time each party member within earshot uses a Skill, all partymembers recieve 30...75 health..
- Incoming: All accounts that have whined for information about new skills will recieve -1 second reduced time from this Shout.

Ranger:
- Gaile's Shot: New Sunspear Bow Attack, all account that have not whined for information about new skills can use this skill. If Gaile's Shot hits, you steal 10 energy, 25...100 health from target foe and the skill recharges instantly.
- Barrage: All accounts that have whined for information about new skills will recieve a constant Insidious Parasite Hex effect whenever equipping this skill.

Ritualist:
- Spirit of the Alex: New Sunspear Binding Ritual, all account that have not whined for information about new skills can use this skill. For 50...126 seconds a unbound spirit is created. This spirit has 50% increased attack speed and movement and does 10...40 lifestealing damage. Whenever it hits a foe, it heals its master for 20...60 health.
- Spirit's Strength: All accounts that have whined for information about new skills will end this enchantment whenever they cast a non-attack skill. If this enchantment ends prematurely, they recieve 150 armor-ignoring damage and all skills are disabled for 20 seconds.

Warrior:
- Gaile's Endurance: New Sunspear Stance, all account that have not whined for information about new skills can use this skill. For 9...25 seconds you cannot be dazed or blinded and do double lifestealing damage to PvP foes that have whined about the new skills.
- Eviscarate: All accounts that have whined for information about new skills will be blinded for 20 seconds whenever they use this skill.

PvP balances:
-All PvE only skills listed above can also be used in PvP by players that spoke kind words about coming updates and things they would like to see in the game.

New items:
-Inscription: 'You reap what you sow!' added to merchant. From now on this can be found on all weapons and offhand drops. You recieve -10 damage from all attacks and have +100 health, as long as you never complained about future updates and never demanded/told ANet what to do. This is a stackable effect.

Oops. I meant to be helpful but I guess I was doing the opposite...

I promise not to be more "helpful" until further notice.

Oh, no, no, I salute your efforts and your spirit of helpfulness! (New Ritualist skill? ) I'm the holdup, not you.

I believe it's just insurance to cover their ass in case something happens that they can't control.

You can't really apply that here because the victim in this case has a job that pretty much requires you to have a thick skin. To believe otherwise is naive.
I understand that it definitely got out of control last time and she may have needed to take a week or so off away from this forum to calm down and let things smooth over, but it's has been what, almost a month now?

One word: CONFUSION, to both the developers and the community. There is a really bad miscommunication going on here (big time). Does not anyone know what is going on here? Do the developers know what the right hand is doing, while some of them work the left hand? What about the community, we actually thought these sunspear PvE skills were still in the works and would be coming out soon. If it is true what you say about the sunspear PvE skills coming out when EotN comes in, then what are they now? Are they apart of EotN itself in which we have to own both Nightfall and EotN? Or will it all be apart of the 50 PvE only skills in EotN instead of actually being the Sunspear PvE skills?

I’m sorry but I simply do not understand any of this, what so ever.

Or maybe ppl should stop speculating and wait patiently...

In time all will be revealed.

You are right in that her position does require a thick skin. This does not, however, give anyone the right to lash out her, call her names, question her personal code of ethics, or whatever it is some people decide to throw at her. Gaile has an absolute right not to be treated in such a manner, and if someone had thrown crap like this at me when I was doing customer service, I would have hung up the phone. Do you have the right to complain? Sure... however if you phrase it in such a way that isn't constructive, be ready to have it ignored.

Smile Like Umean It: In case you haven't noticed, it's a whole new game now and you seem to have missed the latest (old?) developments.

Guess who's back?

For the Community Relations team and Manager: keep up the good work - that also includes the ability to amend faults when necessary.

I have my share of "good work" from my own job.

I would like to know exactly when we are getting the skills, but I'm not going to complain if we aren't told. If they are released with GW:EN then it will be disapointing, but I will accept that, sure I'd like them sooner, but I enjoy the game and quite honestly I believe one thing should be remembered here

We pay for the game in the box, what we get then is all we should really expect, If I was paying a monthly fee for the privalege of playing this game, then, and only then, would I expect and demand that we got upgrades to the game. I am happy with the majority of upgrades we do get, and sometimes there are mistakes made, but when they are the team does try to fix them, sometimes it takes a while.

To be hosest with you I don't see it as humanly possible to follow every single thread on this site, responding to every single one would be impossible, but to also follow every singe forum on every site as well as this, and expect one person to read every thread on every site related to GW, and to also reply to every one, and follow it. Thats just plain rediculous.

If I was in Gaile's position and suffereing the constant disrespectful abuse of a number of people I would refrain from any comment on sites apart from locked threads announcing news she came by when she got it. I would imagine all her job entails is lettign us know whats in development and telling the devs what we seem to desire. This to me would not often involve direct communication, And when our opinion should be poled there is no reason for Gaile to do it directly, I'm sure she coudl use other accounts for asking those questions without having to get the amount of flak she sufferes from doing it upfront.

I believe there is a lot of peopel out there that simply have no conception of how much time a person can have in a job like hers, and if they become as abusive and slanderous as they have been maybe they should be made to shut up, or even banned altogether

I work in a very social enviroment as well, customers care is very important.
But if anybody (customer or boss) would lash out on me or slave me around(and they do sometimes on my collegues), I would just laugh at them in the face and ignore them for the rest of the day.

Treat people with respect and you will be heared.

How can some of the community not speculate at the information handed to us? Yes it starts hype and yes it drives up the confusion, but people will be people. How long will we have to wait? It’s been practically a month before this last bit of information on the sunspear skills came in. Patience is a virtue indeed; however I would think I want to stop hearing about what might happen and what might not happen, based on not knowing the information fully (and being very vague).

I’m not blaming anyone for this mishap, because I do not know who is responsible, let alone what is going on. Some people are focusing their anger on one person but I rather not, till I understand what is really going on behind that curtain. All of this natural in the way of miscommunication with human endeavors, since no one knows what is truly going on.

No Gaile... YOU rock! (hope you got the note)

so true.

I could probably argue that I work with more angry customers than anyone here in my line of work. And it makes a HUGE difference when someone honestly and respectfully requests a service or exception with a humble, grateful attitude. The customer that screams and cries for his/her way is not only disliked by everyone, but they rarely get anything from me except the 'letter of the law' lowest service I can possibly give without losing my job.....

Thank you for waiting for the response. Those who did.

There are two sets of PvE-only skills: The Sunspear skills and skills that will be included in GW:EN. We had a parallel discussion and that is why I was confused about the matter.

So, the PvE-only Sunspear Skills will be rolled out soon. I will get a timeline--if we are able to give one--when James is available. I can say the Sunspear Skills will not be added this week. I believe that they may be added in a matter of a few weeks rather than a few months or something like that, but again, until I get approval from Mike O'Brien or James Phinney, that's a belief, not a promise or a commitment.

This is the information that I can give you at this point in time, along with my apology for any confusion I may have caused when expressing my own confusion late last night. I hope that this clarification and the information given here is helpful and if we have more to provide, I will post it as soon as it becomes available.

appreciated - thanks

great to know gaile.....wish everything was that simple....yes this and no that....would make reading this bored much easier than hearing everyone whine about blah blah said or didn't say....i am probably as guilty as the next so...thanks for getting the correct information Gaile.

Welcome to the PVE equivalant of the Automated Tournament System. Enjoy your wait

Thaks for the clarification Gaile, as you know, it still isn't enough for some, but please don't give up talking to us, because that would be the final nail for a lot of the community

Thanks for the update!

Well folks, we don't have to wait THAT long for Sunspear skills. It should be coming much sooner than GW:EN. Think positive!

Oh, I 100% agree with you. It's never acceptable to treat someone like. I believe you should respect people for the mere fact that they're human if nothing else. I'll never argue that what happened was okay, because it really wasn't.

And your point would be...
I'm not talking about developments. Developments from today, tomorrow or 6 years from now mean absolutely crap about the happenings in the past. Which , in case you haven't noticed, is what I was talking about.

I can only laugh at just what happened there. For a moment in time I actually thought the new sunspear skills and the EotN PvE skill were going to be either the same thing or released at the same time. None which made any particular sense; at least I know it was a bit of confusion. Good to hear though that things are still on track.

Thank you for answering my original question Gaile.

I appreciate it.

Yes. I need to consciously stop posting at Midnight.

No problem. I hope to have more specific info, but at least we know it's not months away.

Wait for what. It's not like you need these skills for anything... it'll be nice to see what they are but this thread is like overreaction city.

Gaile... a dev said (regarding pve only skills and EoTN) that "all the new skills will not be class specific"...

he 'was' refering to only the pve skills right? I remember the initiall article for Eotn stating that the expansion would include 150 skills (50 pve only skills).

Did I miss something? Am i just reading too much into this?

I understand what you're asking, I think. Let me see if this helps clarify: Some of the skills in GW:EN will be PvE-only skills. Those skills will not be class specific. But there will be other skills in GW:EN that are specific for each of the professions.

So: All the PvE-only skill are without ties to professions, but all professions also get new skills.

Does that help?

absolutely..thanks gaile

So, nutshell, there will be 50 PvE only skills that are not class specific. The remaining 100 skills will be class specific and divided amongst the classes (average 12.5 skills per class) and will be usable in both PvE and PvP.

This boils down to each profession getting 62.5 skills each for PvE usage, with 50 of those being shared amongst all professions.

Huh...50 skills that are usable for all professions? How many types of rez can you have. Seriously, if they aren't tied to a profession I wonder what they can be. They can't rely on attributes if that is the case. Hmmmmm...could it be a rank of different titles that affects the skill? I remember hearing there will be "race" specific titles given for helping each of the new classes. Maybe these titles are what affects the strength of the skills.

MSecorsky - I think all 10 classes will be getting skills...so that's 10 per class.

It'll be interesting to see how this works - will it be possible to have an entire skillbar of non profession-specific skills?

10?! Wait, where do you get ten?

Hold on... 6...7,8..9... o.O

I forgot to count warriors and elementalists. Never play them.

Keep in mind these are the EotN PvE skills. They haven't really said anything about the SS skills so for all we know they could be profession-specific.

I wanted to let you know that Lead Designer James Phinney confirms that it's a fair bet that the PvE-only Skills will be incorporated into the game by mid-June. I believe that the skills in this batch will be profession-specific, where, as you know, there will be PvE-only skills in GW:EN that will not be tied to any particular profession.

^ Sweet! thanks for the update gaile... I guess I need to work on my SS title.

Mid-June? Kind of disappointing, but I'm glad we at least know when we should be getting them, so we can whine some more if they're late .

Ah, so that is the definition of "soon". (One month's time.)

They were meant to be "out in a couple weeks at most", as she said about a month ago IIRC.

I miss The Frog. Anybody else notice he doesn't appear that much anymore, and when he does, he's with Gaile? I miss his independent divination (even if he is possibly controlled by Gaile, it feels like Gaile puts more effort into him).

Pester him for information on what these skills are exactly to share with us. Teasers never hurt, you know.

Just to clarify.

Lightbringer skills are not profession related. The Sunspear skill in existence is not profession related.

So, in mid-June there's going to be a release of skills not related by title, but by profession? And other skills "not tied to any particular profession" such as the assumed Sunspear skills, are going to be released together with GW:EN?

There's still something to be clarified between what's profession-related and title-related, since the original post was to ask about when we’re going to have Sunspear skills.

To put it in simple terms:

- Profession-related skills in mid-June?

- Title-related skills, such as Sunspear, to be released with GW:EN?

Or are we talking about a new formula here where there's no such clear distinction?